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Talk me into playing it. What makes it so good?

(Serious topic)

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Characters and story for me

gameplay is okay, but it's definitely not what makes the franchise so popular

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Plot twists and cheese.

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Characters, Story, Gameplay, Boss Battles.

It's a but cutscene-heavy, but the gameplay is outstanding and the story will keep you very interested.

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Everything. The characters are fantastic, the bosses are fantastic, the story gets confusing and convoluted at points (mainly in MGS2) but it's still really good if you pay attention, and I personally love the gameplay as well, in every game.

You won't be disappointed. PLAY IT.

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I'd say try starting with the PS Metal Gear Solid. Gameplay is outdated, but it's playable as long as you don't play the sequels first.

And MGS > Twin Snakes.

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From: HanOfTheNekos | #007
And MGS > Twin Snakes.

Lies.

I like MGS because I enjoy its plot in a Michael Bay sort of way, and Twin Snakes is definitely the way to go when enjoying the plot like that.

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Characters and plotline.

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From: ShadowHalo17 | #006
Everything.

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MGS >>> Twin Snakes.

Anyone who thanks the opposite is not a true fan.

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Anyone who uses the term "true fan" is automatically wrong no matter what the argument is. Unless the argument is "why using the term true fan is bad" or something.Twin Snakes has the most amazingly over the top cutscenes of all time, and the gameplay is mostly better. The only problem is that sometimes the better gameplay sorta breaks the game.

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It's just an example of amazing game design

It's got a bunch of cutscenes so that when you first play the game, it's like an epic movie that gets you really involved and invested in the stories and characters.

But you also get really excellent arcade-style gameplay that is very replayable and open to creativity, which is great on subsequent playthroughs when skipping cutscenes.

It doesn't let the fact that it's a game detract from its cinematic potential, and it doesn't let all the cinematics detract from the gameplay. Both aspects of the game kind of let each other do their own thing... but somehow they meld together perfectly as well.

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The gameplay isn't better, I found no way to put your gun down without firing a shot, because the stupid Gamecube controller sucks. And the over the top cutscenes bring the whole thing down. I'm pretty sure they were meant to be a joke, because Snake isn't actually supposed to be able to surf on a freakin' missile.

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From: ShadowHalo17 | #014
The gameplay isn't better, I found no way to put your gun down without firing a shot, because the stupid Gamecube controller sucks. And the over the top cutscenes bring the whole thing down. I'm pretty sure they were meant to be a joke, because Snake isn't actually supposed to be able to surf on a freakin' missile.

Literally implying that surfing missiles is a bad thing.

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The only problem with Twin Snakes is that the MGS2 controls make it to easy, yeah

The "over-the-top" cutscene argument is pretty much the dumbest thing ever considering MGS2/3/4 cutscenes

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I have Twin Snakes because somebody had it and hated it and gave it to me. What is it exactly? The way you're talking makes me think it's a port of some kind, I had always just assumed it was it's own thing.

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Twin Snakes is a remake from MGS1 using MGS2'S engine, plus reworked cutscenes. The plot is still exactly the same, it's just that it's over the top as hell. Now, mind you, I love the over the top cutscenes. There are people who don't, but...eh. You should definitely play it.

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Roughly how many hours of gameplay is it on the average first time through? Is there much replay value?

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You should play the original MGS first. You can buy it cheap on PSN. Or you can get the MGS collection, that has the first three games for like 30 dollars.

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From: turbopuns | #019
Roughly how many hours of gameplay is it on the average first time through? Is there much replay value?

There's so much replay value. MGS3 has the most replay value though, that game just gets better the more you go through it.

As for how long it'll take, each game can be completed in just a few hours, but with cutscenes and not knowing what you're doing, I can see each game taking around 7-10 hours or so.

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I played Metal Gear Solid 2 a few times through, and ACTUAL gameplay was 2 hours. Cutscenes make up about 10-15 hours more. 4 has the same problem it seems. 1&3 seem to at least let you control characters for a while. For all the flak Xenosaga gets for being an "interactive movie," at least you can play for more than 5 minutes at a time. If you can get past the "interactive movie" aspect, the other elements are solid.

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Oh, wow. I had no idea the games were that short. I guess I'll definitely give it a shot then, even if I hate it I'm assuming it can't be so bad if it's that short, given the following that it has.

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I used to not like MGS, but that was before I finally gave it a fair chance going into it knowing what I would be getting into. Take it for what it is and it's amazing.

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Strife2 posted...
I played Metal Gear Solid 2 a few times through, and ACTUAL gameplay was 2 hours. Cutscenes make up about 10-15 hours more. 4 has the same problem it seems. 1&3 seem to at least let you control characters for a while. For all the flak Xenosaga gets for being an "interactive movie," at least you can play for more than 5 minutes at a time. If you can get past the "interactive movie" aspect, the other elements are solid.

You must be really bad at watching cutscenes for them to take you that long.

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dethfdddddh posted...
Plot twists and cheese.

And it's just generally awesome in every way.

PLAY IT

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From: Iamdead7 | #027
And it's just generally awesome in every way.

PLAY IT

LISTEN TO THIS GUY.

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MGS2 really is the worst as far as gameplay to cutscenes goes (well, out of 1 through 3. Never did play 4 due to lack of a PS3)

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Read the plot synopses of Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2 first!

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Or go read Slowbeef's awesome Let's Play of Metal Gear 2

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Alternately, the Subsistence version of MGS3 (which is the one you should be getting anyway, due to it fixing the wonky camera) comes with both games on the disk

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You can ignore the games as well. MGS1 does a good job at keeping you in the loop even if you don't know anything about the past games. I sure as hell didn't play MG1 and 2 the first time I played MGS1 and still knew what was going on.

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Or you can watch the first tqo parts of GameTrailers' Metal Gear Retrospective to get you up to snuff. Not any further though, big spoilers.

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You've got Twin Snakes, and I recommend putting it into your Wii or Gamecube and playing it, then you'll see what the epic is about baby. And personally, I prefer Twin Snakes.

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I vastly prefer the PSX version of MGS1 but whichever one you play, the story will still deliver overall.

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turbopuns posted...
Oh, wow. I had no idea the games were that short. I guess I'll definitely give it a shot then, even if I hate it I'm assuming it can't be so bad if it's that short, given the following that it has.

Strife was lying.

PS MGS>Twin Snakes. Easily.

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If you enjoy clunky nostalgia over playability, maybe

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Honestly, if he's never played Metal Gear Solid before, the things that bother you guys about Twin Snakes probably won't bother him, so he should play that instead.

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Twin Snakes = easy mode MGS!

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It's only "easy" because MGS1's gameplay is so archaic!

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I wasn't lying about Sons of Liberty. Sure, I'd had played through a couple times before, but the fact that any playthrough allowed me to beat the game (without cutscenes) in an hour and 58 minutes was an eye opener. NES games can get away with that (due to insane difficulty and lack of processing power), but a PS2 game pulling that **** is ridiculous.

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Characters and...

metaIslugg posted...
Characters and story for me

gameplay is okay, but it's definitely not what makes the franchise so popular

Oh... Yeah that...

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Virtually any game can be beaten extremely fast if you 1. Skip all dialogue 2. Know exactly what to do. MGS games are no different.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Tell that to RPGs.

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From: Strife2 | #048
Tell that to RPGs.

Okay, I'll tell them.

"Yes, it's true."

That's what they said.

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Fair enough, and thank you for being a dick.

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