Board 8 > ~DUEL!~ Lu Bu vs. Lara Croft and Vivi

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Wanglicious
07/02/11 12:20:00 PM
#1:


Lu Bu has challenged Vivi and Lara Croft to a fight. He is 50 feet away and his two enemies are next to each other. Location of the fights: Fighting Tournament Arena. A square arena with a smooth surface and some dirt. Though this is part of a full stadium access to the seats is banned, leaving most of the fighting to be held on the ground floor.


Guidelines

- The fights will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.

- Lara and Vivi are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.

- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.

- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.


Rules for Voting

- Bold your votes (using <b> and </b>).

- Provide a justification for why you think the selected fighter would win. Fanboy logic, ignoring character assumptions or rules, and vague or unintelligible justifications are all grounds for having your vote disqualified.

- If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.

- This match will end when one side reaches 7 votes, or in 6 hours, whichever comes first.


Lu Bu is as seen in the Dynasty Warriors series, specifically in his Dynasty Warriors 6 form, though there's no invincibility here. He has all the movesets to all his weapons, begins with full Musou, has his skill tree complete, and has access to one use of his Special mode, Swift Attack, which he may use whenever he chooses. He has infinite Musou and also has 1 use of his Fury mode, as seen in Strikeforce, which is fully available from the start. Lu Bu is armed with his Sky Piercer with the Light element as seen in DW6, in addition to his Sky Scorcher from DW1-5, with the lightning orb attached. Lastly, he’s also carrying Huang’s Bow from Dynasty Warriors 3-5, and has plenty of both regular and fire arrows.

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Vivi is as he appears in Final Fantasy IX, with all of his best non-broken equipment and all of his spells save for Death, Stop, and Break. Nobody will attack Vivi in battle until he has attacked someone first (damaging abilities and berserked/mindless allies or enemies do not apply).

Lara is as she appears in Tomb Raider Legends, wielding her dual pistols, Excalibur, Assault Rifle, SMG, shotgun, and 4 grenades.

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XIII_rocks
07/02/11 12:26:00 PM
#2:


It's Legend. Tomb Raider Legend. #justsaying.

Also Excalibur yessss

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MUKMASTER2
07/02/11 12:29:00 PM
#3:


Isn't Lu Bu invincible during Musou mode? With infinite Musou, he just spins and causes shockwaves like a mother ****er.
That, and Lu Bu's manliness probables excretes so many pheromones that Lara is driven wild with desire, and turns on Vivi.

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ChichiriMuyo
07/02/11 12:29:00 PM
#4:


Vivi and Lara. Lu Bu is at a distance and they have a whole ton of ranged attacks. Magic and guns will obviously take down a person armed with nothing but a spear and bow no matter how bad ass he is. I simply can't see him closing the distance under that much fire.

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ChichiriMuyo
07/02/11 12:32:00 PM
#5:


MUKMASTER2 posted...
Isn't Lu Bu invincible during Musou mode? With infinite Musou, he just spins and causes shockwaves like a mother ****er.
That, and Lu Bu's manliness probables excretes so many pheromones that Lara is driven wild with desire, and turns on Vivi.


Is that true? It's been a long time since I've played a DW game and I did not play 6. Of course, that would be utterly broken if true, so I don't think that should really be considered. No Merc should have unlimited invincibility.

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MUKMASTER2
07/02/11 12:37:00 PM
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ChichiriMuyo posted...
MUKMASTER2 posted...
Isn't Lu Bu invincible during Musou mode? With infinite Musou, he just spins and causes shockwaves like a mother ****er.
That, and Lu Bu's manliness probables excretes so many pheromones that Lara is driven wild with desire, and turns on Vivi.

Is that true? It's been a long time since I've played a DW game and I did not play 6. Of course, that would be utterly broken if true, so I don't think that should really be considered. No Merc should have unlimited invincibility.


I never played 6 either, so I'm assuming when Wang said "though there's no invincibility here", he's talking about Lu Bu was invincible during DW6. But in 5, you were invincible during musou, and only got stopped by someone else doing their musou too (which involved a push the button mini-game). So if Lu Bu is invincible during musou, he wins. Might take a long ass time spinning his way over, but deep down, you know Lara Croft would want his dick, and would gladly switch sides for the chance to gobble it down.

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Wanglicious
07/02/11 12:42:00 PM
#7:


no invincibility just means no invincibility. though if you want to infer that as just a major durability buff that's up to you.

now, the boosts he gets during fury mode ain't invincibility. they're just pretty much a straight doubling to everything, attack range included. or his swift attack. DW guys aren't exactly 'guys with a spear' really seeing how they can run on water in some cases, and in others they.... can literally split a flood in two by spinning his weapon (this was Lu Bu). and figure you don't do a 10,000 on 1 unless you can deal with range and crap thrown at you.

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dragon22391
07/02/11 12:46:00 PM
#8:


While Lu Bu wouldn't have invincibility during Musou, he doesn't really need it here: In his fury mode, he becomes fast as hell, and Lara and Vivi are just way the hell too squishy to be able to stand up to that, at all. The only problem is the distance. 50 feet is a distance, yes, but it's an entirely negligible one - that can be covered by an average human in a couple of seconds.

Video of Lu Bu in fury mode:

Not to mention that Lu Bu has pretty solid armor and rather super human durability, having stricken fear in the hearts of entire armies before. While a continuous onslaught from Lara and Vivi would kill him, 50 seconds is just closed too quickly, and his blades do too much to the thin, fleshy hides of Lara and Vivi for them to survive long enough for that.

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Wanglicious
07/02/11 12:51:00 PM
#9:


eh, 50 feet isn't really much distance considering these guys can jump that distance (or dash it). you borderline fly in fury mode with the way you're mobile and jumping around. think you can clear over one of the usual gates in a single jump too, so... yeah. alternatively, going outpost to outpost.

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-FFDragon-
07/02/11 2:31:00 PM
#10:


what's that I can't hear you over all that Lara waving her hand and knocking Lu Bu on his ass ) while Vivi dances around like an idiot and gets a free flare off since Lu Bu can't attack him

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Achromatic
07/02/11 2:35:00 PM
#11:


Vivi and Lara

If Lu-Bu was free to hit Vivi before he cast a spell that makes the Lu-Bu go boom I might be more inclined to vote for him, but as it is I don't have enough respect for Lu-Bu's durability to tank a flare to the face without paying Vivi back (by the time he has changed to 'oh hey vivi needs to die' vivi probably has a second flare coming, and I respect flare.)

I just don't like the mix of guns/high powered magic here for lu-bu, despite him being a better fighter than either.

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dragon22391
07/02/11 2:38:00 PM
#12:


Lu Bu doesn't necessarily need to know that Vivi's there. He's swinging around a gigantic halberd on a pretty small terrain. I'd say it's pretty likely that he smacks Vivi in the face inadvertantly.

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Achromatic
07/02/11 2:39:00 PM
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Oh I see.

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-FFDragon-
07/02/11 2:44:00 PM
#14:


It's an ability, silly. You know that's not how it works.

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Wanglicious
07/02/11 2:55:00 PM
#15:


...actually the idea of 'he gets hit somewhere along the way of the attack' is how it works. it's the same principle behind if person A had a weapon that carried splash to it and he was in that distance, he's screwed as a side effect. 'cept in lu bu's case it isn't a weapon with splash as much as it's a weapon that has a good 10 foot+ radius in the first place normally and that doubles in Fury mode. as in, if he's attacking Lara and they're that close, well.... yeah, sucks to be him, but they DO start next to each other.

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KJH
07/02/11 5:42:00 PM
#16:


Lu Bu, because even base Lu Bu was a crazy inhuman fighter who solo'd entire armies. Fury mode and Infinite Musou, along with his Swift Attack mode and all those other extras should make him able to pretty much dominate these two others, since they'd job to a single hit from him.

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Wanglicious
07/02/11 5:55:00 PM
#17:


...yeah, i gotta go with lu bu here as well and... honestly pretty easily. fight starts, he goes in fury mode while dashing in, gets there within 1-2 seconds slicing the living hell out of Lara and... Vivi probably dies along as collateral damage. 50 feet? if a human can do that in 4-5 seconds, imagining what a superhuman from a game where people can run on water and are inferior to him, where fit human soldiers are considered less than ants to Lu Bu (seriously, 10,000 on 1 is what he went off to do by himself), guys who singlehandedly destroy entire boats in 1 hit at a time, and where it takes a group of the best army killing superhumans to subdue him, neither Lara nor Vivi come remotely close to dealing with him, individually or at this distance, together as he'll be shreading something in 2 seconds tops.

yeah. if he gets shot he's not stopping that easy or quickly. and how effective that'd be to a guy who with one spinning blade split a flood in half will probably deflect 'em. i'll give a flood to having more overall pressure than a bullet or Excalibur, especially when his dash is normally spinning both his halberds in front of him. if Lara's within some 20 feet of Vivi it's gonna suck to be Vivi. if he's not well, he'll get off a Flare. Lu Bu's extremely tanky of a bastard and promptly kills the guy. between Fury, Swift (another parameter increase to pretty much everything, including the whole 'can't interrupt him' deal which is really as much a stamina/durability buff as anything you'll find) and Musou, he kinda dominates every parameter he has to well over what they're putting out in any skrimish.


then there's the bow which is closer to a machine gun of arrows than a bow. not that it should ever come into play really considering 50 feet is something he can do in a single jump or dash and things would promptly die.

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Twilight the Fox
07/02/11 6:23:00 PM
#18:


Lu Bu runs across the small arena and chops Lara and Vivi in half while hopped up on Musou and Fury.

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junk_funk
07/02/11 6:35:00 PM
#19:


Let's see, Lu Bu can tank elemental attacks and poison. He can tank arrows by the dozens. Honestly though, I think an SMG among otehr bullet firing weapons would rock his face. Lara Croft alone could handle this.

Lu Bu needs a partner, two against one is completely unfair. If it were Vivi versus Lu Bu and Lara...or even Lara verse all, maybe it would be closer. This two against one thing needs to be put down.

Anyways as much as I love Lu Bu and Dynasty Warriors I can't say with confidence he would win this match under any circumstances.

Vivi and Lara would indeed provide Lu Bu with a decent challenge.

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junk_funk
07/02/11 6:42:00 PM
#20:


I was thinking a bit more about it.

Flare, Meteor, Barrier, Holy, Haste, Slow, Ice, Lightning, + Rocket launcher, SMG, shotgun = Swiss Lu Bu cheese.

Only way Lu Bu wins is if he's within 10 feet at the beginning of the battle.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/02/11 6:43:00 PM
#21:


Vivi and Lara can easily handle Lu Bu. A barrage of gunfire could slow his advance, allowing Vivi to throw down a Doomsday and ruin Lu Bu's day, for instance.

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KJH
07/02/11 7:00:00 PM
#22:


Lara Croft by herself is not capable of producing a "barrage of gunfire". Not to mention, Lu Bu's specialty is how utterly indomitable he is, even by gameplay conventions that he has here, Swift Attack mode makes it so that he takes literally no knockback or interruption from any attacks. It also boosts his strength by a huge amount.

Add in Fury Mode, and he's then capable of flying and has shadow blades added onto all of his attacks, as well as getting all his parameters boosted to inhuman levels.

Lara and Vivi don't even come close to Lu Bu. I mean, really, he can not only shoot his arrows more accurate than Lara could ever land a gunshot, but he can telekinetically control his DW6 weapon and fly as well, able to hit with his Sky Scorcher if he closed the distance like he can in a single bound.

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junk_funk
07/02/11 7:18:00 PM
#23:


I'm not convinced Lu Bu can even tank a single shot from a high caliber weapon. It's something he's never come across. He lives in 400AD. He's utterly human and specializes in hand to hand combat. Unfortunately, both Lara and Vivi specialize in long range.

It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Lara could sink him with a head shot. No way Lu Bu could survive a shot to the face or any other part of his body. His armor was made to deflect iron spears. And if all else fails, Vivi could roast him with a meteor. This fight is as one sided as a fight can get.

It'd be like watching the end of Last Samurai, when all the best samurais in the land get mowed down by two or three gatlin guns.

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KJH
07/02/11 7:38:00 PM
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...Except this is a guy who routinely kills entire armies, and does inhuman things like cut entire tidal waves in half with a single hand. And beats people who can likewise do the same. Also no shows tons of arrows.

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Wanglicious
07/02/11 7:45:00 PM
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...except there are characters who are shown to explicitly take out entire boats that are known to be weaker than him. <_<; i'm as much a gun heavy person as you'll find, but the DW guys by all means should be above small arms. if you're talking about a generic grunt, sure. but a generic grunt of like 10,000 is entirely different. as are giant demonized monsters, but they deal with those too. seriously, it's a series where people run on water before slamming a spear down against a boat and oh hey, boat's capsizing. and they make it a heavy point to say that none of the DW generals are 'utterly human' with the way they go through 1000-2000 at a time. there are cannons. and... you really can't get a lot more pressure against you than a literal flood taller than your castle gate being split in 2 because you stood still and spun your weapon with 1 arm. but he did.

'cept for the good ones. those tend to go through 'em in the 5K-6K range.
....'cept Lu Bu, who beats groups of those guys and can solo a 10,000 army. those guys are 'utterly human.' but the DW cast, nope. hell some of them are even zombies. <__<;

and specializing in hand to hand's wrong there. he specializes in army to hand. this includes ranged weaponry.

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LargeLongSword
07/02/11 8:16:00 PM
#26:


2 against one is very un-warrior like. Unfortunately for viva/lara, Lu Bu is very strong and actually surprisingly fast. And he can defend as well, so once viva's MP depletes, he's going to get his ass Musou'd. Also in a realistic situation, I think lara would side with Lu Bu being impressed by his enormous strength.

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