Board 8 > Umineko question. (SPOILERS EPISODE 4 ALERT)

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Silver_Ermine
07/14/11 3:30:00 AM
#1:


My friend is annoyed with this part in episode 4. I'm not sure how to respond without spoiling anything or even properly respond lol. Someone help out plz plz.

This is right after Sakutaro gets RIPPED.

MCXD MCXD says
beatrice shouldn't be there
maria at that time
shouldn't know about ange
especially future ange
it's crazy
I don't get what's going on at all
anyway I'm saved and done for now
BOAT again
is where I stopped
But yeah Beatrice couldn't communicate off of the island until after the revival. The scene with Rosa and Maria just there happened before the revival because Rosa is alive. Therefore it's impossible for Beatrice (afaik) to have seen that and visited Maria. Furthermore, this all happened after Ange had her tantrum and killed the seven sisters and almost erased Sakutaro. But THAT happened 13 years IN THE FUTURE, after Maria had died and become a witch. So the past Maria where the scene occured should not have known about Ange or the fact she almost denied Sakutaro.

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SHINE GET 64
07/14/11 5:22:00 AM
#2:


I just did this in anime form and decided to stop making sense of it and just let it happen

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kurtfisto
07/14/11 5:46:00 AM
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IIRC, Ange had already denied Sakutaro once before when she and Maria played as little kids. Ange denying Sakutaro and Ange almost erasing him in the future are two separate events.

I may be wrong about this so you could wait for an expert like tcaz to come in and confirm that.

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Silver_Ermine
07/14/11 10:28:00 AM
#4:


Up up!

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Justin_Crossing
07/14/11 10:52:00 AM
#5:


i was too busy not liking sakutaro to care about this plothole

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Sceptilesolarbeam
07/14/11 11:23:00 AM
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As for Beatrice's involvement, he's believing in the witch too hard. Witches don't exist, so the rules preventing or allowing Beatrice to communicate off the island are meaningless.

And yes, Ange denied Sakutaro while they were little kids too. I don't think they reveal this part immediately, though.

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tcaz2
07/14/11 12:42:00 PM
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They 'reveal' it after the ripping scene. It should be pretty danged obvious it's a flashback considering it's in black and white, too!

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Silver_Ermine
07/14/11 3:43:00 PM
#8:


Uhoh... he's coming up with new theories lol.

MCXD MCXD says
we'll start a new game then then
alright
In the meantime I guess I'll explain my brilliant idea I had for umineko.
This is probably wrong, and you probably think I'm stupid for not realising this sooner.
But here is my current theory that explains stuff.
There are two worlds, mostly parallel. You have the normal world and the meta world.
In the normal world, laws are governed by science and laws and all that. In the meta world, everything runs on magic.
Everyone has a normal version of themself and a meta version of themself.
So basically when someone is born in the normal world, a meta version is also created (and vica versa)
And while the normal world people are young and believe in magic and all that, they can connect to the meta world and talk-to/communicate-with their meta self.
But the meta version and the real version are definately connected, so if something happens to the real one they know about it, and if something happens to the meta one, the other knows about it too.
But as people grow up and stop believing in magic
They lose their connections with the meta version of themself, and they split apart.
Maybe the meta version even disappears
However the two of them can also sorta look through the eyes of each other. That's why when real Ange focused for example, she sort of propelled herself into the metaworld. She sorta looked at the world through the eyes of her meta version.
And at the same time, her meta version sort of pulled herself into the real world. Which allowed her to walk around while talking to the sisters of purgatory
However the meta version and real version, despite being connected, are still two seperate beings
Anyway yeah if the real version and meta version connect enough and train in 'magic', the meta version will grow stronger.
And eventually reach the point where the meta version can manipulate the real world
and if you go even FURTHER then the meta version can MATERIALISE in the real world
that's why witches like beato
can freely wander about meta or real
because they're strong enough to do that
and it also explains why eva and EVA-Beatrice
became two seperate entities
because they were one in the same at first
but when EVA got the power of the endless witch
she could do whatever the hell she liked as her own being
and materialised in the real world
so I think the capital letters are the meta version of characters
MARIA is meta-maria
EVA is meta-eva
and ANGE is meta-ange
the magic side of people
and the real side of people
that's my current theory of how things work, the true nature of the two dimensions
It also explains how MARIA could do crazy stuff; because although she 'drew power/experiences' from Maria, she is her own being still and can sorta just jump around through time apparently. She's strong enough.
But when Maria normal gets really sad/upset
then meta maria gets sad/upset too
because they're somewhat connected
But of course if my theory is correct/true
Hm
Well actually thinking about, that would mean that if a meta version of someone is strong enough. So strong that the belief is there right up until the real person dies.
The meta version will live on.
And I think that's how witches can be granted their eternal life.
Real-Beatrice, whoever she was, must have put a strong belief in meta beatrice
so when real beatrice died, the meta one lived on
But yeah that then raises the question of "who is the real beatrice?"
And furthermore BATTLER's status is completely crazy
Is he the real battler, held up in some place? Or is it the real battler dragged into the meta world?
Or is the meta battler?
I guess we'll see.

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I should have never shown him Umineko... lol

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Sceptilesolarbeam
07/14/11 3:49:00 PM
#9:


Is he trolling you? Most people normally stop coming up with wacky magic theories after EP3...

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KamikazePotato
07/14/11 3:53:00 PM
#10:


This is amazing.

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Silver_Ermine
07/14/11 3:58:00 PM
#11:


Sceptilesolarbeam posted...
Is he trolling you? Most people normally stop coming up with wacky magic theories after EP3...

He just doesn't get it. I don't know how to explain it to him... isn't he supposed to figure it out or something by now ????

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tcaz2
07/14/11 5:23:00 PM
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If he doesn't get it by the part of Ep5 where they explain 'Battler actually slid down the drainpipe' I would be worried.

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Silver_Ermine
07/14/11 5:24:00 PM
#13:


tcaz2 posted...
If he doesn't get it by the part of Ep5 where they explain 'Battler actually slid down the drainpipe' I would be worried.

XDDD

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Xiahou Shake
07/14/11 6:07:00 PM
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Hah, magic, as if I'll believe that crap.


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kurtfisto
07/14/11 11:49:00 PM
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XD

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