Board 8 > charizard and blastoise didn't make it into the contest?!

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20three
10/07/11 3:16:00 PM
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sorry if old, but i was just filing out my bracket

i guess there were just too many epic final fantasy rivalries to include...-_-

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WazzupGenius00
10/07/11 3:59:00 PM
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Not even a rivalry in the slightest tbqh

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DpObliVion
10/07/11 4:00:00 PM
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Bacon just did what he wanted with the bracket.


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NeoElfboy
10/07/11 4:03:00 PM
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I never understood the supposed Blastoise/Charizard rivalry anyway. Is it just because they're on the boxes of red/blue?

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Surskit
10/07/11 4:04:00 PM
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They are the rivals' Pokémon, so by extension they are rivals.
I'm pretty sure the only real Pokémon species rivalry is Zangoose vs. Seviper.

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agesboy
10/07/11 4:04:00 PM
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Yeah, they never actually did anything resembling rivalry in the games. Dunno about the anime, but this is a contest for games anyways.

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paperwarior
10/07/11 4:04:00 PM
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They fought each other at the beginning of the anime, too. But really, Red/Blue is the Pokemon rivalry, and I expect it to go far.

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Pirateking2000
10/07/11 4:05:00 PM
#8:


meh trainer red and blue are in

close enough

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azuarc
10/07/11 4:05:00 PM
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Pokemon Red / Pokemon Blue is a 1 seed, tho, so vicariously they're in. Even though I think the explicit Pokemon make for a stronger match-up -- hell, the ZARD by himself does -- they will give their strength to their trainers.
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GuessMyUserName
10/07/11 4:07:00 PM
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From: Surskit | Posted: 10/7/2011 7:04:22 PM | #005
They are the rivals' Pokémon, so by extension they are rivals.


Not really, what with the whole choosing your starter Pokemon thing.

It's got the same validity as Blastoise vs Venusaur or Venusaur vs Charizard

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TheCodeisBosco
10/07/11 4:10:00 PM
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I can't believe Charizard/Blastoise didn't even make the vote-ins, while Red/Blue got a friggin' 1-seed! SMH.

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GenesisSaga
10/07/11 4:13:00 PM
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Probably because that "rivalry" only has a 33.3% chance of actually happening. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not even a legit rivalry. >_>

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WazzupGenius00
10/07/11 4:15:00 PM
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And you could choose to immediately box/abandon your starter Pokemon once you've caught something else anyway, so there's no guarantee it even happens in the game at all

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GuessMyUserName
10/07/11 4:16:00 PM
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From: WazzupGenius00 | Posted: 10/7/2011 7:15:11 PM | #013
And you could choose to immediately box/abandon your starter Pokemon once you've caught something else anyway, so there's no guarantee it even happens in the game at all


oh yeah, I didn't even think about this part

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WhiteLens
10/07/11 4:18:00 PM
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Charizard vs. Blastoise must be the most one-sided rivalry ever, what the hell can Charizard even do against Blastoise?

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Kenri
10/07/11 4:19:00 PM
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It's on the front of the Pokemon Stadium box:

external image

...That's about as far as the rivalry goes, though.

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20three
10/07/11 4:24:00 PM
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From: GenesisSaga | #012
Probably because that "rivalry" only has a 33.3% chance of actually happening. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not even a legit rivalry. >_>


actually it's more than that since Charizard was the most popular starter...

From: WazzupGenius00 | #013
And you could choose to immediately box/abandon your starter Pokemon once you've caught something else anyway, so there's no guarantee it even happens in the game at all


Who the f*** would ever do this? "oh HOLY S*** I just caught a rattata...f*** this charmander dude...that'll never come in handy..."

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GenesisSaga
10/07/11 4:25:00 PM
#18:


WhiteLens posted...
Charizard vs. Blastoise must be the most one-sided rivalry ever, what the hell can Charizard even do against Blastoise?

Fly away from it I suppose.

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NeoElfboy
10/07/11 4:30:00 PM
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Who the f*** would ever do this? "oh HOLY S*** I just caught a rattata...f*** this charmander dude...that'll never come in handy..."

Given how unimpressive Charmander was in-game in the original that may not be a bad move necessarily! I think I did ultimately drop him on the RBY playthrough I used him on, although I did keep him until the end in FRLG (where the much higher special attack and superior movepool such as 60-power Wing Attack make him... you know what, I'll just stop <.<).

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WazzupGenius00
10/07/11 4:33:00 PM
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I dropped my starter in HGSS almost immediately.

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GuessMyUserName
10/07/11 4:38:00 PM
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From: 20three | Posted: 10/7/2011 7:24:03 PM | #017
Who the f*** would ever do this?


Who the f*** would ever send out a Charizard to fight a Blastoise? >_>

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GenesisSaga
10/07/11 4:38:00 PM
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20three posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #012
Probably because that "rivalry" only has a 33.3% chance of actually happening. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not even a legit rivalry. >_>
actually it's more than that since Charizard was the most popular starter...


No. You as the player have a 1/3 chance of picking Charmander. Pick either of the other choices and you get a different "rivalry".

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paperwarior
10/07/11 4:40:00 PM
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I think your stats might be off. Nobody but me picked Bulbasaur.

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20three
10/07/11 4:42:00 PM
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From: GenesisSaga | #022
20three posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #012
Probably because that "rivalry" only has a 33.3% chance of actually happening. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not even a legit rivalry. >_>
actually it's more than that since Charizard was the most popular starter...


No. You as the player have a 1/3 chance of picking Charmander. Pick either of the other choices and you get a different "rivalry".


wtf...it's not a random choice...charmander is the most popular so it was picked more, it might not be much more than a third but it definitely occurred a hell of a lot in people's games

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GenesisSaga
10/07/11 4:48:00 PM
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20three posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #022
20three posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #012
Probably because that "rivalry" only has a 33.3% chance of actually happening. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not even a legit rivalry. >_>
actually it's more than that since Charizard was the most popular starter...

No. You as the player have a 1/3 chance of picking Charmander. Pick either of the other choices and you get a different "rivalry".
wtf...it's not a random choice...charmander is the most popular so it was picked more, it might not be much more than a third but it definitely occurred a hell of a lot in people's games


What the hell are you not getting about this? Am I not explaining it right? I know it's not a goddamn random choice. If you pick Charmander your rival uses a Blastoise. If you pick something else, your rival uses something a Charizard or Venusaur.

The point is, Charizard/Blastoise is not a sure thing unlike say Squall/Seifer or Tidus/Jecht. These are legit rivalries because- zomg- they actually rival each other throughout the game and have a 100% chance of occuring instead of 33%.

What other people pick has absolutely no bearing on what you, as the player picks. The game doesn't give a flying Rattata's ass if Charmander is more popular than Squirtle or whatever. Do you get me?

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paperwarior
10/07/11 4:51:00 PM
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Flying Rattata? Hax.

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Dark Young Link
10/07/11 5:00:00 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
From: 20three | Posted: 10/7/2011 7:24:03 PM | #017
Who the f*** would ever do this?
Who the f*** would ever send out a Charizard to fight a Blastoise? >_>


I do.

Gotta beat my rival's starter with my own. It's a pride thing.

That said, Red/Blue makes a more suitable rival team.

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20three
10/07/11 5:08:00 PM
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From: GenesisSaga | #025
20three posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #022
20three posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #012
Probably because that "rivalry" only has a 33.3% chance of actually happening. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not even a legit rivalry. >_>
actually it's more than that since Charizard was the most popular starter...

No. You as the player have a 1/3 chance of picking Charmander. Pick either of the other choices and you get a different "rivalry".
wtf...it's not a random choice...charmander is the most popular so it was picked more, it might not be much more than a third but it definitely occurred a hell of a lot in people's games


What the hell are you not getting about this? Am I not explaining it right? I know it's not a goddamn random choice. If you pick Charmander your rival uses a Blastoise. If you pick something else, your rival uses something a Charizard or Venusaur.

The point is, Charizard/Blastoise is not a sure thing unlike say Squall/Seifer or Tidus/Jecht. These are legit rivalries because- zomg- they actually rival each other throughout the game and have a 100% chance of occuring instead of 33%.

What other people pick has absolutely no bearing on what you, as the player picks. The game doesn't give a flying Rattata's ass if Charmander is more popular than Squirtle or whatever. Do you get me?


and do you understand that it's still a rivalry because it occurred in the game! So what if there's not a 100% chance of it occuring...it happened a lot more than a bunch of other rivalries in the contest

listen:

r and b sold 8.6 million copies...so let's say that 33% of those people chose charizard, not even counting that people can reset their game and chose another or that he was the most popular starter or from the sales in japan or from fire red and leaf green.....

so that's at least about 2.86~ million people that had that rivalry

now compare that to a rivalry like the one in conker's bad fur day that didn't even sell a million copies

my point is that it's a decent rivalry and many people experienced just as much as the other ones...why the f*** exactly do you have such a grudge against it...it's seems kind of odd that you would go to this much trouble to disagree with me...

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GenesisSaga
10/07/11 5:14:00 PM
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Lol, I refuse to believe someone that has enough technical knowledge to create a GFAQs account could actually be this dense, so I'm going to chalk this up to a troll attempt. Whatever. Your favorite "rivalry" isn't legit. I'm sorry you can't see that. Toodles!

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Dark Young Link
10/07/11 5:28:00 PM
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I'll bite.


and do you understand that it's still a rivalry because it occurred in the game! So what if there's not a 100% chance of it occuring...it happened a lot more than a bunch of other rivalries in the contest


There are 600+ Pokemon. Yes Charmander vs Squritle happened. So did Caterpie vs Weedle, Pidgey vs Spearow, Rattata vs Rattata, and a whole lot of other combinations. That doesn't make a rivalry.






r and b sold 8.6 million copies...so let's say that 33% of those people chose charizard, not even counting that people can reset their game and chose another or that he was the most popular starter or from the sales in japan or from fire red and leaf green.....

so that's at least about 2.86~ million people that had that rivalry


That's Red vs Blue, not Charizard vs Blastoise. Not to mention not everyone fights their starter with another starter. Not to mention copies don't really come into play.




my point is that it's a decent rivalry and many people experienced just as much as the other ones...why the f*** exactly do you have such a grudge against it...it's seems kind of odd that you would go to this much trouble to disagree with me...

Because you're being rather foolish. Zangoose vs Serviper is the superior pokemon rival team because it is canon that they are rivals. Blastoise and Charizard are only "rivals" because two other people choose it to be. That's like me saying Wario's rival is Yoshi because I go after Wario all the time when I'm Yoshi in Mario Party games.



Pokemon Trainer Red vs Pokemon Trainer Blue is the superior rival team because that's in canon. Chariazard vs Blastoise is not. Or at least, it's a far smaller rivalry.

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36Eagles10
10/07/11 5:33:00 PM
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Surskit posted...
They are the rivals' Pokémon, so by extension they are rivals.
I'm pretty sure the only real Pokémon species rivalry is Zangoose vs. Seviper.


Durant and Heatmor from fifth gen would like to have a word with you.

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MarvelousGerbil
10/07/11 5:54:00 PM
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I'd love me a Bruce vs. Blastoise contest pic!

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MarvelousGerbil
10/07/11 5:55:00 PM
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From: 36Eagles10 | #031
Durant and Heatmor from fifth gen would like to have a word with you.




As would... like all the Box Art Legendaries.

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GuessMyUserName
10/07/11 5:56:00 PM
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penis

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