Board 8 > What if in reality there is a God and they said being gay is wrong

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 4:40:00 PM
#51:


I have read numerous studies that support the idea that some killers and child rapists and people of that nature are born that way just like a gay person is born that way so my thought on that is that if they are both born that way why is it justification for gays to be gay but not killers to be killers.

and

the the statement of love the sinner hate the sin is on the idea of what the topic title is and what if God says being gay is wrong?

I don't know if it is a choice or not? I do know I have dealt with too many people flip flop from being gay to straight to bi to pansexual to whatever. makes me question if for some people its a fad.

and like I said I have no answer to one question I was asked abut choosing who I love and how I don't make that choice.

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XIII_rocks
02/23/12 4:40:00 PM
#52:


Is this basically "if God literally came down to earth, proving his existence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and then said "oh yeah being gay is wrong", what would you do?"

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Leebo86
02/23/12 4:41:00 PM
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From: masterplum | #050
Its an incredibly close minded opinion to a rather important question. You can tell he is both belligerent and completely unwilling to think about the decision.

I have zero problem with people who question a potential God and his stance on the issue, but people who completely blow off the issue in a close-minded and somewhat offensive manner I have a problem with.


I don't see anything wrong with disagreeing with "God" in this scenario.

If God came down and said interracial marriage was wrong, I'd disagree with that too.

If you're just offended by his colorful description of it, then that's kind of a different, more petty stance.

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KingButz
02/23/12 4:43:00 PM
#54:


From: Leebo86 | #048
"being gay" is pretty clear, isn't it? it's the state of being attracted to the same sex, not the act of participating in sex with the same sex.


crazyisgood doesn't exactly have the most complete mastery of the English language, I've noticed.

If he really does mean that the whole argument is about something involuntary and uncontrollable being morally wrong, then there's not really anything to say here.

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MarvelousGerbil
02/23/12 4:44:00 PM
#55:


crazyisgood posted...
I have read numerous studies that support the idea that some killers and child rapists and people of that nature are born that way just like a gay person is born that way so my thought on that is that if they are both born that way why is it justification for gays to be gay but not killers to be killers.


Maybe because being gay doesn't KILL PEOPLE?

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KingButz
02/23/12 4:46:00 PM
#56:


From: Leebo86 | #053
I don't see anything wrong with disagreeing with "God" in this scenario.

If God came down and said interracial marriage was wrong, I'd disagree with that too.

If you're just offended by his colorful description of it, then that's kind of a different, more petty stance.


I believe masterplum has a problem with this because he feels that he has a personal relationship with God, so when someone declares intent to harm or disrespect Him, plum takes offense.

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 4:46:00 PM
#57:


KingButz posted...
From: KingButz | #028
Are we talking about being homosexual, or engaging in homosexual activities? If God said that being homosexual was wrong, then there's not much that can be done. You can't consciously stop being gay, so this wouldn't matter. If he said that homosexual activities were wrong, then people could stop doing that if they wanted.

I think that is a important distinction to make before I can discuss this any further.
crazyisgood I am waiting for you to define this, please. It is very important to the purposes of this debate that you clarify here.


IF god said being homosexual was wrong

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Leebo86
02/23/12 4:47:00 PM
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From: crazyisgood | #057
IF god said being homosexual was wrong


Wow, Bartz, you weren't kidding about his mastery of English, it goes for reading too.

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Master Epyon
02/23/12 4:48:00 PM
#59:


you get stuff like the SMT series.

Yessss. <3

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 4:48:00 PM
#60:


KingButz posted...
From: Leebo86 | #053
I don't see anything wrong with disagreeing with "God" in this scenario.

If God came down and said interracial marriage was wrong, I'd disagree with that too.

If you're just offended by his colorful description of it, then that's kind of a different, more petty stance.
I believe masterplum has a problem with this because he feels that he has a personal relationship with God, so when someone declares intent to harm or disrespect Him, plum takes offense.


I have a problem with the original statement because lets say there is an all powerful God who has made rules to be followed in the universe. And that is just the way things are, Lets say he is perfect and never wrong. so why argue or attack God.

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Master Epyon
02/23/12 4:50:00 PM
#61:


Lets say he is perfect and never wrong. so why argue or attack God.

Humanity doesn't have to agree that he is right, even if he is "right".

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Leebo86
02/23/12 4:51:00 PM
#62:


From: crazyisgood | #060
Lets say he is perfect and never wrong. so why argue or attack God.


If you're going to define it so that God can't be wrong, then there's nothing to discuss.

But this scenario clearly doesn't fit that description, since, you know, he'd be wrong about this.

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paperwarior
02/23/12 4:52:00 PM
#63:


Yessss. <3

What, you want to put together a JRPG party to go Nietzsche on His ass on behalf of the gays? I'm up for it.

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KingButz
02/23/12 4:55:00 PM
#64:


From: crazyisgood | #057
IF god said being homosexual was wrong


Ok, thanks for clarifying.

So if God(an all-powerful, all-knowing being) came to Earth and said that being gay (which we have established is not a choice) is wrong, then all the gay people would be f***ed. There is no recourse for them at all and they are subject to his punishment, because they cannot stop being gay.

Unless, you know, God were to make them not-gay. But then what would be the point in the first place?

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 4:55:00 PM
#65:


Leebo86 posted...
From: crazyisgood | #060
Lets say he is perfect and never wrong. so why argue or attack God.
If you're going to define it so that God can't be wrong, then there's nothing to discuss.

But this scenario clearly doesn't fit that description, since, you know, he'd be wrong about this.


Everything you do is right isn't it you never do something you shouldn't.

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Master Epyon
02/23/12 4:56:00 PM
#66:


What, you want to put together a JRPG party to go Nietzsche on His ass on behalf of the gays? I'm up for it.

Just think of what kind of disguise Lucifer will have to use for that game!

GOTY all years.

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junk_funk
02/23/12 4:56:00 PM
#67:


Whatever any omnipotent being told the human race we would automatically follow. Not much choice in the matter.

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Leebo86
02/23/12 4:56:00 PM
#68:


From: crazyisgood | #065
Everything you do is right isn't it you never do something you shouldn't.


I was being snarky.

My main point was that the tautology was stupid.

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 4:58:00 PM
#69:


KingButz posted...
From: crazyisgood | #057
IF god said being homosexual was wrong
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

So if God(an all-powerful, all-knowing being) came to Earth and said that being gay (which we have established is not a choice) is wrong, then all the gay people would be f***ed. There is no recourse for them at all and they are subject to his punishment, because they cannot stop being gay.

Unless, you know, God were to make them not-gay. But then what would be the point in the first place?


Well we are all ****ed

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Wanglicious
02/23/12 5:08:00 PM
#70:


oh man, a gay party doing SMT stuff to fight god would be something else. especially because you know every single one of them would be using Mara.

dibs on having 1 Mara and at least 1 Tiamat and Athena each. someone else can keep Arioch, that one scares the hell out of me.

literally an army of Mara. hell yeah i am so down for this.

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KingButz
02/23/12 5:08:00 PM
#71:


From: crazyisgood | #069
KingButz posted...
From: crazyisgood | #057
IF god said being homosexual was wrong
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

So if God(an all-powerful, all-knowing being) came to Earth and said that being gay (which we have established is not a choice) is wrong, then all the gay people would be f***ed. There is no recourse for them at all and they are subject to his punishment, because they cannot stop being gay.

Unless, you know, God were to make them not-gay. But then what would be the point in the first place?


Well we are all ****ed


Not in that situation. I'm not gay. In your hypothetical situation I make it out ok!

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Master Epyon
02/23/12 5:09:00 PM
#72:


oh man, a gay party doing SMT stuff to fight god would be something else. especially because you know every single one of them would be using Mara.

dibs on having 1 Mara and at least 1 Tiamat and Athena each. someone else can keep Arioch, that one scares the hell out of me.

literally an army of Mara. hell yeah i am so down for this.


The best part is that Mara is usually one of the best demons, too.

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Wanglicious
02/23/12 5:14:00 PM
#73:


also this:
Lets say he is perfect and never wrong. so why argue or attack God.

in that case there's no reason he would make gay people or anything that is inherently wrong. so either A) someone else made them, which means that you have something that is actually outside of god's design and does not make anything wrong with being gay as it is beyond their control, or B) he's still wrong.

so either it's fine to be gay OR it's wrong but god had no part in the design of it, so he can't really hate the people for it.

alternatively C) he's a huge douche that just wanted to make a group of people to throw into hell. which sure as hell ain't matching any definition of 'perfect.'

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Wanglicious
02/23/12 5:21:00 PM
#74:


and seriously.
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absolutely nothing would scare me more than being face to face with that.
hell i'm not even sure i could summon mara to it. just feels so wrong.

and note, that's how arioch looks in devil survivor too. countless people played this game and there is absolutely no way you don't meet dozens of them - they're story fights everywhere because they can attack from 3 squares aware, have crap for movement, and are tanky as hell.

<_<; but goddamn that thing.

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 5:31:00 PM
#75:


KingButz posted...
From: crazyisgood | #069
KingButz posted...
From: crazyisgood | #057
IF god said being homosexual was wrong
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

So if God(an all-powerful, all-knowing being) came to Earth and said that being gay (which we have established is not a choice) is wrong, then all the gay people would be f***ed. There is no recourse for them at all and they are subject to his punishment, because they cannot stop being gay.

Unless, you know, God were to make them not-gay. But then what would be the point in the first place?

Well we are all ****ed
Not in that situation. I'm not gay. In your hypothetical situation I make it out ok!



but we all do something that God deems as wrong.

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KingButz
02/23/12 5:32:00 PM
#76:


Wait, so what is the point of this?

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Master Epyon
02/23/12 5:33:00 PM
#77:


and note, that's how arioch looks in devil survivor too. countless people played this game and there is absolutely no way you don't meet dozens of them - they're story fights everywhere because they can attack from 3 squares aware, have crap for movement, and are tanky as hell.

having done atsuro's route first, I know perfectly well how much I hate ariochs

ughhhh

plus they not only have null physical, but tetrakarn just in case you thought of being clever with pierce

seriously f*** ariochs

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 5:34:00 PM
#78:


to think.

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Wanglicious
02/23/12 5:34:00 PM
#79:


hell no, you f*** ariochs. i'll stay with tiamat. goddess of fertility oh yes.

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Silverliner182V
02/23/12 5:40:00 PM
#81:


If God is putting people in hell for something that's arguably not even a crime or sin at all, then it sounds like it's time to get a new God.

It works in videogames.

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crazyisgood
02/23/12 5:42:00 PM
#82:


People who claim God put people in hell for being GAY really have no clue what they are talking about

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KingButz
02/23/12 5:42:00 PM
#83:


From: crazyisgood | #078
to think.


Well there's not a lot to think about.

From: Ed Bellis | #080
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did you just LinkMarioSamus homosexuality

i'm pretty sure you just LinkMarioSamus'd homosexuality


Ok I take that back

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VF1MS Metal Siren
02/23/12 5:42:00 PM
#84:


I don't accept the postulate that there is a way God could undeniably prove they were actually God. It could just be an extremely powerful yet still mortal and physical being, perhaps some advanced alien, that has come down to fool humanity. Whether it is or not is beside the issue, the possibility is there.

Since my senses are fallible, I have to assume that they can be tricked, so nothing I could witness would be something I could point to and undeniably state that it's the cause of an omnipotent, omniscient, supernatural being.

So even if I'm wrong, I would deny this supposed God's omniscience, and disagree with their claim that homosexuality is wrong.

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Leebo86
02/23/12 5:47:00 PM
#85:


From: crazyisgood | #082
People who claim God put people in hell for being GAY really have no clue what they are talking about


Why wouldn't he? They're living a life in brazen opposition with no intention of "reforming".

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Wanglicious
02/23/12 5:53:00 PM
#86:


dammit bellis do not use his name as a verb.
i don't want to identify him in any way sense or form.

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foolm0ron
02/23/12 10:37:00 PM
#87:


If you knew that God existed and that disagreeing with him would send you to Hell, you definitely would not disagree with him on something as relatively insignificant as sexuality.

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14_and_counting
02/23/12 10:44:00 PM
#88:


From: crazyisgood | #082
People who claim God put people in hell for being GAY really have no clue what they are talking about




Literally INCINERATED 2 cities because of that sin.

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Rad Link 5
02/24/12 1:06:00 AM
#89:


Then they are an unjust god.

Real talk. Even if there were a god, why would you feel compelled to follow them? If they tried to impose a different system of beliefs on you, would you be afraid to reject it? Because I'd take "eternal damnation" or whatever if that was the price for getting to have my own beliefs and values.

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Leebo86
02/24/12 3:25:00 AM
#90:


From: foolm0ron | #087
If you knew that God existed and that disagreeing with him would send you to Hell, you definitely would not disagree with him on something as relatively insignificant as sexuality.


Is it just a matter of paying lip service to God? Do you just have to tell him you think he's right and not actually believe it? Because I would have a hard time actually agreeing in my heart.

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