Board 8 > SovietOmega plays Ace Attorney Investigations 2: Prosecutor's Path (spoilers)

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A new year happened recently. I think one of my new years resolutions is gonna be to finish this game. Still got a lot of Layton games to go through too...
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hyyyype

(i'm still here, just not bumping!)
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K, murder solving time.

Like two seconds back in the game and everything is already going wrong. There's a body in the fountain and some ice melted. One of these is definitely worse than the other, but take a guess which one the gang all react more strongly to.

Without anything even remotely resembling logical thought, Miles asserts that the key to this new mystery is rooted in the IS-7 incident. Of course he is gonna be right, but only in the way that Sherlock Holmes is always right...ahh to be a game character where all coincidence is meaningful and nothing is left to chance.

To be continued

...all this time and I was THAT close to a better break off point?!

Whatever...back to the past we go!
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IT LlVES!
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The game serves up a welcome little summary of what happened in the past case....body in chest, salt lamp, castle, melted sherbet...nice and brief, although it sure took ol' Gregory a fair amount of digging around to uncover all that.

Greg and Ray have a little chat about the philosophical need for Defense Attorneys. People make mistakes and might be tempted to accept a surface view of reality and so a check on those sorts is needed. To defense those alone and helpless...that is Gregory's noble cause.

From that to chocolates and a sob story from Kate. Now she's rambling about how awesome her camera is, while Gregory muses over the potential significance of the amount of film used. Yeah...no way that camera isn't critical to the case with it now in our inventory.
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The sherbet was sweet, but the lyre was too salty for Ms. Delicious. This case just keeps piling on new layers of complexity. Temperature, location, chemicals, colors, constellations, and now tastes. So many dimensions of possibility to explore and the case is still relatively young...

...and now, finally, the game is asking us to connect the teapot to the PH symbol. The PH standing for Pierre Hoquet, the same PH that Delicious saw on the sherbet. Isaac Dover was actually...Pierre Hoquet! Gasp! The guy we knew little about was actually this other guy we know little about! This changes everything!

It leads Edgeworth Sr. down a trail of logic that puts Kate in Dover's room taking lots of sculpture shots and being clumsy with power cords, so I guess it changes exactly as much as it needs to.
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Just as we're making good traction in the case, Mr. Crankyface bursts onto the scene with as many insults as demands for suspicious parties to be questioned. Everyone but Ray and Gregory walks off. One stomach rumble later, and they conclude it is time for 'hamburgers'.

To be continued!
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Minor hype for THE CONTINUATION.
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Bleh...was feeling a bit out of it. Its been coming and going at the oddest times. I'll try and polish this case off today though, depending on how much is left. Feels like an end is starting to think about being on a horizon though.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

I object to the purge.

Over
ruled!

Save.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Minor hype for THE CONTINUATION.

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Wouldn't be much of a new years resolution if I let this fall at this point. In these dark political times, a distraction is sorely needed...
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Screw that idiot, I want my Paul Atishon spinoff.
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it's been so long since this topic started that the title turned dark blue again
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I'm sorry, TRE, but this topic is already dead.

RIP in peace, AAI2 topic.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I'd put Knightley on the level of Dahlia and Kristoph, not Payne.

Well stated. It's easy to forget that both of them are first-case killers, given how they loom over their respective games.

LeonhartFour posted...

May could actually be a last name though!

this is the English equivalent of Diego Armando which I guess doesn't bother me as much since I'm not Hispanic

Yep, this too. For once, you're right on point.

LeonhartFour posted...

Ray understands. Defense attorneys only hire female assistants. It's a hard, fast rule. Can't break it.

*pft* Forget "on point"; this is downright good!
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SovietOmega posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

This reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a while.

@dowolf Ray's "finger quotes." Is that what he's doing? Do people in Japan even do finger quotes? It struck me as a bizarrely western sort of gesture.

Looking it up, I stumbled upon this from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1387ma/does_japanese_use_scare_quotes/

It isn't gonna win any best thread awards, but it suggests that there are parallels, at least in a literary form.

As for actually performing the quotations via hand, this seems to be a bit more foreign for japan.

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/09/11/four-western-gestures-that-are-difficult-for-japanese-people-to-understand/

Which, kind of makes a bit of sense, given that their language has things other than quotations to denote emphasis.

Wow, this is quite informative. Thank you.

dowolf posted...

SovietOmega's links more or less answer the question. The answer is no, finger quotes are most definitely not a thing in Japanese. If you're referring to the animation I'm thinking of (I might not be thinking of it--I last played the game back in 2013 or something), I always thought he was doing a little picture-frame thing.

But to quickly dive into things in a bit more detail: There's two reasons quotes are used for purposes other than, err, quoting in Japanese. First, as you probably know, Japanese is written with no spaces. So then, how do you know where the word boundaries are? I don't know if I can give you a short answer (other than "git gud baka gaijin"), but basically you use pattern recognition, the knowledge that kanji usually start terms, etc. However, this means that identifying fictional terms -- that is, new terms -- can be extremely tricky. Therefore, authors will on occasion use quotes to offset a term to make it easier for their readers to parse.

Also, as a fun experiment, try reading a sentence written in all-caps with no spaces. It messes with how your mind processes the text, forcing it to read English in the streaming, greedy manner that it reads Japanese rather than the "normal" way to read English (i.e., to grab the first and last letters and then all the ones in the middle all at once). It's kinda neat! And as an aside to an aside: yeah, the brain processes ideographic (i.e. kanji-based) languages like Japanese in a fundamentally different way than it does an alphabetic language like English. Because of this, you get cool things like that someone dyslexic in English may be perfectly able to read Japanese, and vice-versa. But I digress.

The second reason is for emphasis. Japanese characters, with their increased complexity relative to English characters, don't lend themselves to bold or italic or ALLCAPS or even BOLDTASTIC CAPS adventures. Marking them with quotation marks serves this purpose instead. You'll also see texts (usually manga) where dots are placed over certain words; this works the same way.

So the next time you're playing an RPG and you're wondering why some "key term" keeps getting put in quotation marks, now you know. This is actually one of the things I consider a strong mark of amateurish translations, but that's neither here nor there.

This even more so. Never knew any of this. You guys are great.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

SovietOmega posted...

What is it with Karma and christmas time, I wonder? DL-6 and now this case...

Uh..... well, I mean...... there's a reason the two take part at the same time of year....

Geez, spoilers much? And ugh I figured when I quoted that that it was safe to leave it unspoilered; want expecting the final few pages to be such a bumpfest. Glad I decided against putting my own PLvAA playthrough in topic form since it would be a bumpfest too (but I promise I'll bring the VN topic back for ZTD and AA6)

Paratroopa1 posted...

Put yourself where you were when you first played the first Phoenix Wright

Now imagine knowing, during 1-4, that when Edgeworth's dad first met Manfred von Karma, he was walking out of a giant dessert castle

Yep. That is a thing that happened.
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Pretty sure it's time to just let this one go, man. He hasn't posted here in a month.
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You might be right. I'll probably just let this purge if there's no response.
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I am still 100% determined to see this game through to the end, but have needed some time to reflect on some personal issues. I think I can start this back up pretty soon, but should that fail to happen, then by all means let this purge and I will pick it back up again at a later date.
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T'was a good run, TC. Sorry it didn't work out.