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LRodC
04/06/17 3:06:47 PM
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Zeus
04/06/17 3:07:24 PM
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Should we stop trying it?
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Ivynn
04/06/17 3:07:27 PM
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Questionmarktarius
04/06/17 3:07:51 PM
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But, muh Hy-Vee!
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DancinShoesJone
04/06/17 3:08:50 PM
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Imagine the wright brothers quit after a few failures.
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iosifsvoboda
04/06/17 3:09:39 PM
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I'm pretty sure China exists and is beating the balls off of the rest of the world so wtf are you talking about
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:09:40 PM
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Humanity can't handle it yet, we're too selfish. The real flaw is trying to force it. Marx always thought it should happen naturally, once capitalism falls apart. We're on that path now, so we'll see.
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DifferentialEquation
04/06/17 3:09:58 PM
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But none of those times were real communism!
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Webmaster4531
04/06/17 3:09:59 PM
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Fascism worked for Russia and China. Guess that's why Trump is bringing it to America.
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:11:11 PM
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iosifsvoboda posted...
I'm pretty sure China exists and is beating the balls off of the rest of the world so wtf are you talking about

China is hardly communist in anything but name. Same goes for every "communist" government really. Including the USSR, who never actually claimed to have achieved true Communism.
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itachi15243
04/06/17 3:13:17 PM
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China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam are all communist nation's.

This is like saying democracy is a failure because all the past democracies that either failed or ended up an autocracy.
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:13:53 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
But none of those times were real communism!

They weren't. Read about communism, and then compare that to "communist" governments. Every attempt has devolved into some form of authoritarianism, often centered on a cult of personality. That's extremely far from actual Communism.

I know you're trolling, but some people do really get confused on that point.
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Questionmarktarius
04/06/17 3:16:31 PM
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CowboyDan posted...
Every attempt has devolved into some form of authoritarianism, often centered on a cult of personality.

It kinda has to.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxgnvDgUcAAJLN2.jpg
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:20:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
CowboyDan posted...
Every attempt has devolved into some form of authoritarianism, often centered on a cult of personality.

It kinda has to.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxgnvDgUcAAJLN2.jpg

I agree, human beings are too selfish to handle that kind of responsibility.

That comic is a strawman though, socialism doesn't imply "no work" at all. I'm not really sure what that has to do with the tendency towards authoritarianism.
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Questionmarktarius
04/06/17 3:32:21 PM
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CowboyDan posted...
That comic is a strawman though, socialism doesn't imply "no work" at all. I'm not really sure what that has to do with the tendency towards authoritarianism.

Success is punished and failure is rewarded. Working one's ass off and ending up no better off than anyone else just leads to apathy and complacency.

Even Marx realized that a great utopia of all the people doing what they can for the equal betterment of everyone is just completely impossible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution
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Cisco
04/06/17 3:34:31 PM
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How does communism protect against those who want to abuse the system and take more than their fair share?
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:37:07 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
CowboyDan posted...
That comic is a strawman though, socialism doesn't imply "no work" at all. I'm not really sure what that has to do with the tendency towards authoritarianism.

Success is punished and failure is rewarded. Working one's ass off and ending up no better off than anyone else just leads to apathy and complacency.

Even Marx realized that a great utopia of all the people doing what they can for the equal betterment of everyone is just completely impossible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution

I get the concept, I'm just saying its overly simplistic to describe it as "work or no work". To be fair though, I probably shouldn't be triggered by a comic not giving an in-depth description and criticism of an ideology.
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iosifsvoboda
04/06/17 3:43:39 PM
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CowboyDan posted...
iosifsvoboda posted...
I'm pretty sure China exists and is beating the balls off of the rest of the world so wtf are you talking about

China is hardly communist in anything but name. Same goes for every "communist" government really. Including the USSR, who never actually claimed to have achieved true Communism.


Get this no true Scotsman bullshit outta here
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:45:27 PM
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iosifsvoboda posted...
CowboyDan posted...
iosifsvoboda posted...
I'm pretty sure China exists and is beating the balls off of the rest of the world so wtf are you talking about

China is hardly communist in anything but name. Same goes for every "communist" government really. Including the USSR, who never actually claimed to have achieved true Communism.


Get this no true Scotsman bullshit outta here

That's not an appropriate invocation of that fallacy at all. I could run a soup kitchen while calling myself a capitalist, that doesn't make it so.
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snesmaster40
04/06/17 3:45:31 PM
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Well it won't fail this time, because it's back in pog form!
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weapon_d00d816
04/06/17 3:46:39 PM
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DancinShoesJone posted...
Imagine the wright brothers quit after a few failures.

I'm sure they would if failure meant a country collapsing into an authoritarian hellhole.
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youngfossil
04/06/17 3:47:38 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
DancinShoesJone posted...
Imagine the wright brothers quit after a few failures.

I'm sure they would if failure meant a country collapsing into an authoritarian hellhole.

Well it potentially meant their death if a falure when horrible wrong.
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s0nicfan
04/06/17 3:47:41 PM
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Communism is a fundamentally flawed concept. Maybe it will evolve in the way republics turned into democracies, but "every instance of it being implemented have led to horrible living conditions and piles of bodies" is a pretty compelling case for it just not working.
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:48:37 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
DancinShoesJone posted...
Imagine the wright brothers quit after a few failures.

I'm sure they would if failure meant a country collapsing into an authoritarian hellhole.

Yeah, I'm not sure its worth trying again. Maybe some ideas could come back eventually, if we ever achieve comprehensive automation.
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:49:30 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Communism is a fundamentally flawed concept. Maybe it will evolve in the way republics turned into democracies, but "every instance of it being implemented have led to horrible living conditions and piles of bodies" is a pretty compelling case for it just not working.

Republics don't "turn into democracies". The US is a republic.
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Antifar
04/06/17 3:50:34 PM
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These topics tend to ignore cases like the Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, and other instances where outside forces crushed promising societies.
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s0nicfan
04/06/17 3:50:45 PM
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CowboyDan posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Communism is a fundamentally flawed concept. Maybe it will evolve in the way republics turned into democracies, but "every instance of it being implemented have led to horrible living conditions and piles of bodies" is a pretty compelling case for it just not working.

Republics during "turn into democracies". The US is a republic.


I mean how the concept of the republic led to the concept of the democracy. Not that republic governments literally turn into democracies.
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:53:43 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
CowboyDan posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Communism is a fundamentally flawed concept. Maybe it will evolve in the way republics turned into democracies, but "every instance of it being implemented have led to horrible living conditions and piles of bodies" is a pretty compelling case for it just not working.

Republics during "turn into democracies". The US is a republic.


I mean how the concept of the republic led to the concept of the democracy. Not that republic governments literally turn into democracies.

I know, I'm saying that's not what happened. The concepts were always intertwined and they evolved together.
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s0nicfan
04/06/17 3:54:53 PM
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CowboyDan posted...
s0nicfan posted...
CowboyDan posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Communism is a fundamentally flawed concept. Maybe it will evolve in the way republics turned into democracies, but "every instance of it being implemented have led to horrible living conditions and piles of bodies" is a pretty compelling case for it just not working.

Republics during "turn into democracies". The US is a republic.


I mean how the concept of the republic led to the concept of the democracy. Not that republic governments literally turn into democracies.

I know, I'm saying that's not what happened. The concepts were always intertwined and they evolved together.


Well then maybe Communism will find something other than "brutal dictatorship" to intertwine and evolve with. Until then, though, it's still a broken concept.
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CowboyDan
04/06/17 3:56:01 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
CowboyDan posted...
s0nicfan posted...
CowboyDan posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Communism is a fundamentally flawed concept. Maybe it will evolve in the way republics turned into democracies, but "every instance of it being implemented have led to horrible living conditions and piles of bodies" is a pretty compelling case for it just not working.

Republics during "turn into democracies". The US is a republic.


I mean how the concept of the republic led to the concept of the democracy. Not that republic governments literally turn into democracies.

I know, I'm saying that's not what happened. The concepts were always intertwined and they evolved together.


Well then maybe Communism will find something other than "brutal dictatorship" to intertwine and evolve with. Until then, though, it's still a broken concept.

jeez dude don't get all bent out of shape
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Psycho_Poodle
04/06/17 4:01:25 PM
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freedom and democracy are overrated

they give us the ability to be racist and elect racist leaders

communism would never allow for such bigotry
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Blusalina
04/06/17 5:59:41 PM
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Are you implying that Bernie Sanders would have been a worse president than Trump?

He wouldn't btw. Everyone would be free to do what they wanted.
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fire810
04/06/17 6:01:28 PM
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who woulda thunk that centralizing all the power for the sake of fairness would ever backfire
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MakoReizei
04/06/17 6:03:14 PM
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Communism is inherently totalitarian.

There's nothing wellmeaning about it and it doesn't "sound good in theory"
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Webmaster4531
04/06/17 6:12:41 PM
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Blusalina posted...
Are you implying that Bernie Sanders would have been a worse president than Trump?

He wouldn't btw. Everyone would be free to do what they wanted.

None of this has anything to do with Bernie Sanders.
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Feline_Heart
04/06/17 6:14:07 PM
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iosifsvoboda posted...
I'm pretty sure China exists and is beating the balls off of the rest of the world so wtf are you talking about

they're capitalists at this point
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