Poll of the Day > Cinemassacre (AVGN's channel) sure has gone downhill

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DorkLink
04/07/17 1:04:30 AM
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I think I'm gonna do what I should have done a long time ago and finally stop following them. I kept up for a long time pretty much just because he was one of the original YouTubers, but I don't know why since AVGN peaked in like 2008 or 2009.

It's pretty much just a generic YouTube channel starring Mike Matei nowadays. Mike fucking sucks, and no amount of the channel forcing him on the audience is going to make me pretend to like him. Of course, even the occasional video that James appears in is almost always completely uninteresting to me lately. I pretty much only look forward to AVGN but at this point I don't think I'd really be missing out on much skipping that either. And Ryan, fucking Ryan. He gets a lot of unfair and mean-spirited hate, but even I have to say that any time I see he's in a video it's an instant non-watch for me, and it doesn't feel right seeing a lot more of him about the same time that Bootsy "quit".
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Claude_Frollo
04/07/17 1:07:10 AM
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It always sucked.
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DorkLink
04/07/17 1:19:22 AM
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Eh, I was never a big fan of his toilet humor or his unnecessary characters, but a lot AVGN videos are interesting and informative and have some funny moments.
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helIy
04/07/17 1:20:56 AM
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jesus fucking christ does mike suck

i hate that he's essentially the face of cinemassacre now, and i hate that he exists, period.

everything about him is pure douchebag. he is a terrible person with a personality to match.
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Claude_Frollo
04/07/17 1:22:16 AM
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I don't have the nostalgia goggles that a lot of people do. I only watched his "classic" stuff relatively recently and it's just... bad.
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DorkLink
04/07/17 1:26:21 AM
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Claude_Frollo posted...
I don't have the nostalgia goggles that a lot of people do. I only watched his "classic" stuff relatively recently and it's just... bad.


Like what episodes? I've seen some people call the Bugs Bunny episodes "classic" and those are exactly the type of episodes I hate. The Power Glove, NES Accessories and Silver Surfer episodes are some of my favorites.
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Claude_Frollo
04/07/17 1:36:22 AM
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I was mainly referring to his earlier stuff(McKids, TMNT, POWER GLOVE, etc.), and I just thought it was all just... below my age level. A friend recommended it to me and said they thought it held up well, but... no. Maybe I would have been into this stuff when I was younger.
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Smarkil
04/07/17 1:46:28 AM
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nmb topic
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DorkLink
04/07/17 1:50:30 AM
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quigonzel posted...
Now that Bootsy is gone, I don't even pay attention to the channel any more. I really liked the Mike and Bootsy videos.


I didn't really even watch those much but I still liked the guy. He was the only one there who didn't have an annoying sense of humor or stupid opinions.

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Eh, I knew when I was making this that it would sound a bit like NMB, but I don't think it's really NMB-level until I make eight topics about it in the same week
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Sahuagin
04/07/17 2:21:55 AM
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I still stay for the ~1% of videos that are actually made by James. You're right that it's starting to be less and less worth it.
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edededdy
04/07/17 2:24:17 AM
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Mike should stay off camera and do the art shit where he belongs
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helIy
04/07/17 3:18:46 AM
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wait, bootsy left?

i liked him
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TheCyborgNinja
04/07/17 3:40:24 AM
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Claude_Frollo posted...
It always sucked.

Not really, it had a bit of originality and decent production value for what it was. It was juvenile, sure, but it was better than a lot of the other options 10 years ago. It really lost all relevance several years ago though.
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LeetCheet
04/07/17 4:02:04 AM
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I never realized Bootsy left. He was literally the only genuine guy that didn't try so hard on the channel.
I only ever watch when there's a new AVGN episode or when it's a particular game that I'm interested in on they're playing on their Monday videos.
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jayj350
04/07/17 4:56:18 AM
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helIy posted...
jesus fucking christ does mike suck

i hate that he's essentially the face of cinemassacre now, and i hate that he exists, period.

everything about him is pure douchebag. he is a terrible person with a personality to match.

Wow Mike is awesome you are just sad.
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SumerNivek
04/07/17 5:56:07 AM
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Here is another person who hadn't realized Bootsy left. What happened?
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a_doyle_42
04/07/17 7:44:31 AM
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SumerNivek posted...
Here is another person who hadn't realized Bootsy left. What happened?

Yeah I'm in the same boat here, had no idea.
Gonna do a quick google search to see what I can find on it, but if anyone else wants to post the reasoning feel free.
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BillySastard
04/07/17 7:49:43 AM
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jayj350 posted...
@helIy posted...
jesus fucking christ does mike suck

i hate that he's essentially the face of cinemassacre now, and i hate that he exists, period.

everything about him is pure douchebag. he is a terrible person with a personality to match.

Wow Mike is awesome you are just sad.


Mike is a amazing drawer and he has a humongous penis
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MadJak91
04/07/17 7:51:09 AM
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According to the AVGN wiki, Mike confirmed on twitter that they parted ways due to moving in a different direction. Whatever that is.
http://avgn.wikia.com/wiki/Mike_%26_Bootsy

I guess someone will have to dig out those tweets but I doubt there is anything more...

I suspect Bootsy either wanted his own space for his own projects or the shift in mood of the channel.

Hm..

Honestly, I felt like they were a bit more edgy to each other but damn, I cannot tell with these youtubers. What is for show and what is not. Look at what happened to Gamegrumps back in the day.
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Dikitain
04/07/17 7:52:15 AM
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And Ryan, fucking Ryan. He gets a lot of unfair and mean-spirited hate, but even I have to say that any time I see he's in a video it's an instant non-watch for me, and it doesn't feel right seeing a lot more of him about the same time that Bootsy "quit".


I met Ryan and I can say without a doubt, he is the biggest piece of shit on Youtube I have ever met. And I don't typically talk bad about Youtubers (mostly because the ones I have met have been cool people), but he is pretty much the worst. Even other content creators refuse to associate with him.
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Ultima_Dragoon
04/07/17 7:53:46 AM
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BillySastard posted...
humongous penis

You beat me to it. That's really all I had to contribute. I guess I'll just say that I thought the channel has been going downhill for a while but I think it's hard for anyone to stay passionate and creative about one thing for so long and keep thinking of top-level ideas. Eventually the well runs dry.
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a_doyle_42
04/07/17 7:55:35 AM
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The reddit thread was of no help. About 500 replies going in so many directions.
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creativeme
04/07/17 8:10:39 AM
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i'm still subbed to them. i like the AVGN episodes even if most are rather halfassed compared to before. and yea it's pretty much 90% mike now. i skip the majority of their vids.

did bootsy quit? did he even finish the battletoads vids?
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BillySastard
04/07/17 8:18:49 AM
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Ryan is Mike's cousin and the only reason he's on the channel is because their grandma said they had to
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a_doyle_42
04/07/17 8:20:22 AM
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creativeme posted...
i'm still subbed to them. i like the AVGN episodes even if most are rather halfassed compared to before. and yea it's pretty much 90% mike now. i skip the majority of their vids.

did bootsy quit? did he even finish the battletoads vids?

He did finish Battletoads! I remember watching all of it
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nurlen
04/07/17 8:50:31 AM
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Board James without Bootsy cheating will be...just...sans meaning.
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Zareth
04/07/17 10:20:09 AM
#29:


Insert "I cried when I realized AVGN is more Mike Matei than James Rolfe" copypasta.
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fettster777
04/07/17 11:01:26 AM
#30:


Bootsy quit? No!!!!
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helIy
04/07/17 12:48:11 PM
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jayj350 posted...
helIy posted...
jesus fucking christ does mike suck

i hate that he's essentially the face of cinemassacre now, and i hate that he exists, period.

everything about him is pure douchebag. he is a terrible person with a personality to match.

Wow Mike is awesome you are just sad.

Mike is a piece of shit who literally advocated that women who want abortions should be kicked in the stomach instead.
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DorkLink
04/07/17 12:54:25 PM
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Dikitain posted...
I met Ryan and I can say without a doubt, he is the biggest piece of shit on Youtube I have ever met. And I don't typically talk bad about Youtubers (mostly because the ones I have met have been cool people), but he is pretty much the worst. Even other content creators refuse to associate with him.


Well, most people just give him shit for being fat and greasy or whatever, not for being an asshole. Do you have a story about what happened when you met him? Like what specifically made you think he's a piece of shit?

BillySastard posted...
Ryan is Mike's cousin and the only reason he's on the channel is because their grandma said they had to


This would make a lot of sense, but I've never heard that before. Source?

Of course, maybe I shouldn't ask for a source since a lot of the ideas I can believe are true are just baseless fan conjecture. Like that Mike was jealous Bootsy was more likable than him so he replaced him with Ryan - that is totally believable to me.

However, one thing that isn't conjecture is some of Bootsy's tweets (liked the ones linked in the reddit thread), and it sounds like whatever happened wasn't very amicable.
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DorkLink
04/07/17 12:55:53 PM
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helIy posted...
Mike is a piece of shit who literally advocated that women who want abortions should be kicked in the stomach instead.


Whoa, when did this happen? Those guys never seem to get political (except for Bootsy, which is another thing I've wondered about being a factor with him leaving)
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nurlen
04/07/17 12:56:15 PM
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Mike is annoying as hell.
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helIy
04/07/17 12:56:53 PM
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DorkLink posted...
helIy posted...
Mike is a piece of shit who literally advocated that women who want abortions should be kicked in the stomach instead.


Whoa, when did this happen? Those guys never seem to get political (except for Bootsy, which is another thing I've wondered about being a factor with him leaving)

a couple years ago, and he was actually being serious or else he wouldn't have deleted the comment
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DorkLink
04/07/17 12:59:16 PM
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Oh, do you have a link for it? I don't disbelieve you, but I'm curious to see it. I could see it being a bad joke depending on the context because that's the kind of humor that's right up Mike's alley
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helIy
04/07/17 1:07:24 PM
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i don't have a link

because i made it all up

DorkLink posted...
I don't disbelieve you

that's what i wanted to see.

you didn't think he would have said something like that, but since it's mike you believed he actually could have

that's a testament to how shitty mike is
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Stupid Pirate Guy
04/07/17 1:08:18 PM
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I've been unsubscrubing to a bunch of channels lately to try to diminish my youtube habit. Cinemassacre was one of the first to go.
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MadJak91
04/07/17 1:14:16 PM
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DorkLink posted...
However, one thing that isn't conjecture is some of Bootsy's tweets (liked the ones linked in the reddit thread), and it sounds like whatever happened wasn't very amicable.

Link? :O
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DorkLink
04/07/17 1:43:32 PM
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DorkLink
04/07/17 3:23:39 PM
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quigonzel posted...
DorkLink posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheCinemassacre/comments/5pz7ac/mike_bootsy_monster_madness_ending_explained/


I also saw this recent tweet from him where he says he's not getting paid for Board James:

https://twitter.com/ReallyBLBootsy/status/849679522865844224


It all makes sense now. It honestly never occurred to me that he wasn't getting paid because I honestly thought James wasn't like that.

I now think a lot less of both of them. Him and Mike.


I assume he probably was getting paid by the channel at some point, to clarify. But if he isn't making a cut of the DVD that's pretty shitty of them, even if he's not part of the channel anymore. Who knows what's true, though, maybe Bootsy is a sack of shit and is lying about not getting paid to make the other guys look bad. I doubt that because it's easier to believe Mike is a piece of shit
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Final Fantasy2389
04/07/17 4:01:02 PM
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I mostly stick around for AVGN and movie reviews.
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LeetCheet
04/07/17 5:09:46 PM
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On a somewhat related note, wasn't Doug Walker(Nostalgia Critic) kinda douchy to others on Channel Awesome as well?
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DorkLink
04/07/17 6:02:11 PM
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Lol I've heard of this before but I don't think I watched it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=694-pgvrZio
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Dikitain
04/07/17 6:21:08 PM
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DorkLink posted...
Dikitain posted...
I met Ryan and I can say without a doubt, he is the biggest piece of shit on Youtube I have ever met. And I don't typically talk bad about Youtubers (mostly because the ones I have met have been cool people), but he is pretty much the worst. Even other content creators refuse to associate with him.


Well, most people just give him shit for being fat and greasy or whatever, not for being an asshole. Do you have a story about what happened when you met him? Like what specifically made you think he's a piece of shit?


So basically it started that I was at ConBravo in Hamilton Canada, and he was there (not advertised, just there as a regular convention goer). I went to a panel on creating a Youtube channel (I was semi-interested at the time, not anymore). He went as well, and basically spent the whole time criticizing everything the presenter was telling us and saying things like "We do it like this at Cinemassicare, and it works for us! " After the panel he was telling everyone that he only went there to see if the people knew what they were talking about. Then when I went to talk to a few other Youtubers (Pat Contri and AlphaOmegaSin plus some others), they all pretty much told me that James and Mike are pretty cool, but that Ryan is annoying and didn't really have a good thing to say about him.

I still don't even know why he was there, this was only like a few months after he started showing up in Cinemassicare videos and James and Mike didn't even go to the convention.
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DorkLink
04/07/17 6:30:30 PM
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Eh, that doesn't sound that bad to me, but I don't know what it was like. Did he keep interrupting the presenter or was it like an open forum? Was he saying this stuff out loud or did you just end up sitting next to him or something and he did this quietly?


Imagining all the other YouTubers talk about how much he sucks is hilarious though
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Dikitain
04/07/17 6:36:11 PM
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DorkLink posted...
Eh, that doesn't sound that bad to me, but I don't know what it was like. Did he keep interrupting the presenter or was it like an open forum? Was he saying this stuff out loud or did you just end up sitting next to him or something and he did this quietly?


Imagining all the other YouTubers talk about how much he sucks is hilarious though

I don't know if you have been to a lot of conventions, but have you ever seen the guy that continually interrupts the presenter and says stuff? Basically like that, but unlike them who I consider more of a "Socially deficient" way (I mean that in the nicest way possible, I just can't think of the best way to put it without it sounding like an insult), he was doing it intentionally to make them look bad.

Apparently he is a pretty big person behind the scenes, although it is mostly Mike that works with him. Hence why a lot of the people who work with James know who he is. He just kind of gives off an aura of arrogance, which if you meet most Youtubers is the complete opposite of how they usually act.
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