Poll of the Day > I am interested to see what N. Korea does tomorrow.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Tomorrow is Kim Il Sung's birthday, and they were planning to do a nuclear test to celebrate. Trump has flat out said he will bomb them if they go through with it* (pending sign-off from S. Korea). Its not really a big deal for the US, and N. Korea would certainly lose, but they can and would do some serious damage to S. Korea. They could easily lob a nuke at Seoul before being wiped off the map.

Kim Jong Il was predictable because he wouldnt do anything that would ensure his demise (he had a pretty sweet gig), but Kim Jong Un is still relatively untested. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.


*Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366
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We're all gonna die.
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wouldn't it be wild if these actually happened

Un ain't gonna do shit, trumps already proven that he will fuck your shit up with bombs at the slightest provocation
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It's not like they'd wipe it off the map. Just blow up a dozen city blocks.

It has the potential of becoming the world's biggest game of chicken. At any rate, it'd be interesting if this was the tipping point for Kim's men where they might choose to depose their leader rather than risk destruction... although I assume that Kim will get a call from somebody in China telling him to back down.
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and make it uninhabitable for several dozen years
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helIy posted...

and make it uninhabitable for several dozen years

How do you figure

you know what a nuke does right
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helIy posted...

you know what a nuke does right

the millions of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem to generally be doing okay

and yet they're just now going to the areas the bombs fell at to see what's up
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CountessRolab posted...

Its not really a big deal for the US

Um... yes. Yes it is.

War on the Korean peninsula would be catastrophic for all the major players (including both China and the US) and would produce a humanitarian crisis that would dwarf the one in Syria.
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helIy posted...

and yet they're just now going to the areas the bombs fell at to see what's up

According to...

stuff

the nagasaki and hiroshima bombs weren't airbursted, were they?
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Yeah. Which apparently is why everyone could pretty much move back right away.

But since NK will probably slam a missile into the ground wherever it hits probably would be uninhabitable until they scrubbed everything down and shipped off all the topsoil/top layers.

Cacciato posted...

Yeah. Which apparently is why everyone could pretty much move back right away.

well see i didn't know that

i remember reading arcticles of people finally being able to go into the area around where the bombs fell and see the "shadow people" there

but that was like 2 or three years ago
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China issued a stern warning Friday to both the United States and North Korea, urging them not to push their recriminations to a point of no return and allow war to break out on the Korean Peninsula.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korea-blames-trump-and-hisaggressive-tweets-for-tensions/2017/04/14/6932c9aa-20e1-11e7-bcd6-6d1286bc177d_story.html
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Trump says North Korea problem 'will be taken care of'

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKBN17F2H3
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papercup posted...

We're all gonna die.

...is what the Koreans said.

I dunno, I think another major conflict won't happen until there's a definite reason for it. By major conflict I mean not just blowing up caves in the desert or easily toppling third world dictators. If the fresh water was running out, then you know shit is getting real very fast. I think North Korea is all talk, and even if they had a nuclear warhead on an ICBM, they would not use it offensively.

Let's say they launch one at Seattle, America would shoot it down or something then basically have a retaliatory blank check. Nobody could say anything if they just bombed them into submission.
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If North Korea were to launch a missile with a warhead on it, they're going to fire it at Japan or South Korea.
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papercup posted...

If North Korea were to launch a missile with a warhead on it, they're going to fire it at Japan or South Korea.

This. They arent a threat to the USA, but S. Korea has reason to be worried. N. Korea has been kept in check all this time because they know they will get destroyed if a conflict breaks out. That is the main reason the world hasnt done much about them. Kim Jong Il knew that if he kept to himself, he could keep his posh dictatorship going. Ultimately, I doubt Kin Jong Un is stupid enough to provoke the US to these kinds of extremes.

Then you have countries like Iran that are just religious fanatics who dont care if they get obliterated. They are much more of a threat.
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Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.
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TyVulpine posted...

Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.

It'd be impressive if he did. Managed to get over that whole 'being dead' hurdle.

The fact that Lil Kimmy is totally oblivious to the fact that the rest of the world see him as a cartoon character is almost hilarious.

As much as I can't stand Trump, I'm glad that we finally have a president who doesn't put up with this type of bullshit anymore.

Cacciato posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.

It'd be impressive if he did. Managed to get over that whole 'being dead' hurdle.

Or whatever the brat's name is.
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TyVulpine posted...

Cacciato posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.

It'd be impressive if he did. Managed to get over that whole 'being dead' hurdle.

Or whatever the brat's name is.

u jelly?
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CountessRolab posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Cacciato posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.

It'd be impressive if he did. Managed to get over that whole 'being dead' hurdle.

Or whatever the brat's name is.

u jelly?

Why would i be jealous over a dead totalitarian?
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TyVulpine posted...

CountessRolab posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Cacciato posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.

It'd be impressive if he did. Managed to get over that whole 'being dead' hurdle.

Or whatever the brat's name is.

u jelly?

Why would i be jealous over a dead totalitarian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippumjo
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CountessRolab posted...

TyVulpine posted...

CountessRolab posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Cacciato posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Kim Il Sung isn't going to do anything. North Korea just loves to make threats and throw tantrums like a child just for the attention.

It'd be impressive if he did. Managed to get over that whole 'being dead' hurdle.

Or whatever the brat's name is.

u jelly?

Why would i be jealous over a dead totalitarian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippumjo

So the brat is a whore, so what? *shrugs*
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Not gonna lie, I am jealous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMljLyj6qJM
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What would happen if he mobilized his army BEFORE launching at someone?

He could have massive troops deployed when his country is effectively wiped out. I wonder what all those troops would do the second they find out he is dead?
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In the old days, you could say "No country would ever nuke the U.S., because we would wipe them off the face of the Earth." But North Korea's government is run by batshit insane people, so it's possible.

China doesnt want to defend North korea anymore so I think north korea should be inbaded
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Let's say they launch one at Seattle, America would shoot it down or something then basically have a retaliatory blank check. Nobody could say anything if they just bombed them into submission.

Um, yes, several people would say a few things - China, Japan, and South Korea chief among them.

Seoul - with its 25 million people - is well within artillery range of North Korea. Japan is close enough to be at risk of missile or air attacks. Even if North Korea was ultimately doomed to lose, they could slaughter millions before they were stopped. Keep in mind that North Korea has the largest military in the world by personnel - this isn't sweeping in and crushing Saddam Hussein's ~500k military forces, this is a 7.5 million strong army.

And any conflict is likely to draw China into the mix, because a) They do not want US forces right on their doorstep and b) Any collapse in North Korean leadership is going to send millions of refugees across the land border into China. Even were that not the case, the collapse of the North Korean state would require an enormous investment of resources to repair. The humanitarian crisis would be unparalleled in the modern era.

No war is as simple as "Waltz in, drop a bunch of bombs, victory!". I thought we would have learned that by now.
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darkknight109 posted...

7.5 million strong army

"strong"

helIy posted...

you know what a nuke does right

yeah something happened to make one of russia's power plants (Chernobyl disaster)meltdown and screwed most of europe with the way the winds carry radiation for many miles
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BlazeAndBlade posted...

helIy posted...

you know what a nuke does right

yeah something happened to make one of russia's power plants (Chernobyl disaster)meltdown and screwed most of europe with the way the winds carry radiation for many miles

It's almost like there's a difference between a 20 pound nuclear payload and 200 tons of nuclear material, great work.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

But N. Korea would actually need nukes that work.

This, their various missile tests over the past decade have been vastly unsuccessful.
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I'm honestly concerned for Japan and South Korea. War with North Korea would be over in an instant, we would wipe them off the map if they attempted anything...but they could do so much damage to South Korea, Japan, or both, before they go down...those countries don't deserve to be caught up in any of this. I truly hope they're prepared for any possible missile strikes and are ready to shoot anything down...Well I think Japan has those capabilities, does South Korea?
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omanojyaku posted...

What would happen if he mobilized his army BEFORE launching at someone?

He could have massive troops deployed when his country is effectively wiped out. I wonder what all those troops would do the second they find out he is dead?

Honestly I can see NK troops prepping to goto war, then when they leave NK they drop their weapons and claim asylum.
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They're gonna do the same thing they always do, have a little parade where they show off their 40 year old military ordinance and then release a statement about how they will not tolerate aggression from the US, then they'll go to bed and hope that the UN sends them some more food
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Runner_style posted...

omanojyaku posted...

What would happen if he mobilized his army BEFORE launching at someone?

He could have massive troops deployed when his country is effectively wiped out. I wonder what all those troops would do the second they find out he is dead?

Honestly I can see NK troops prepping to goto war, then when they leave NK they drop their weapons and claim asylum.

I get the feeling they've been conditioned and brainwashed not to.

Cacciato posted...

darkknight109 posted...

7.5 million strong army

"strong"

US has weapons that can be launched from US naval bases in San Francisco or LA and can hit their targets in North Korea. So much for that 7.5 million soldiers...
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WarGreymon77 posted...

Runner_style posted...

omanojyaku posted...

What would happen if he mobilized his army BEFORE launching at someone?

He could have massive troops deployed when his country is effectively wiped out. I wonder what all those troops would do the second they find out he is dead?

Honestly I can see NK troops prepping to goto war, then when they leave NK they drop their weapons and claim asylum.

I get the feeling they've been conditioned and brainwashed not to.

It's not that (there is a history of North soldiers defecting) its more the penalty. If a North Korean soldier defects, his entire family (parents, spouse, children, including the two following generations born and sentenced to live their entire lives in the camps) are targeted and punished by the government for the soldier's action.
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CountessRolab posted...

Tomorrow is Kim Il Sung's birthday, and they were planning to do a nuclear test to celebrate. Trump has flat out said he will bomb them if they go through with it*

I doubt it.

Let's say they do the nuke test. As long as he doesn't do it in an area populated by dissidents, and it's on (or likely underneath) NK Soil, the US doesn't really have the moral high ground to do anything.

Kim is a douche, but he's smart enough to skirt the line in what he does so that the US can't do anything.

desuno-to posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Tomorrow is Kim Il Sung's birthday, and they were planning to do a nuclear test to celebrate. Trump has flat out said he will bomb them if they go through with it*

I doubt it.

Let's say they do the nuke test. As long as he doesn't do it in an area populated by dissidents, and it's on (or likely underneath) NK Soil, the US doesn't really have the moral high ground to do anything.

Kim is a douche, but he's smart enough to skirt the line in what he does so that the US can't do anything.

We didn't have the moral high ground to invade Iraq in 2003

If the US wants to go to war they will find a way to sell it to people
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Mead posted...

We didn't have the moral high ground to invade Iraq in 2003

Except it's a different time now. Trump had to play up moral justification card to bomb Syria, and even then it was a lovetap on an airfield.

Unless pictures of "beautiful babies" (trump's trigger?) mutated by radioactive fallout from the test arise, nothing is going to happen.

desuno-to posted...

Except it's a different time now

You're naive if you think it won't happen again.
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Mead posted...

desuno-to posted...

Except it's a different time now

You're naive if you think it won't happen again.

Oh, I'm certain it's a matter of time before it happens, but it's not going to be in NK because of a nuke test.

Look at current developments:
He realized he can't unilaterally do anything (Obamacare) and he looks bad when he fails.
He just came off a meeting Xi where he literally got lectured on the region.
North Korea isn't a campaign promise.

Trump isn't going to order a strike for any reason except to increase his popularity. What benefit would there be for him to engage there? His base doesn't give 2 shits about NK, and realistically most Americans aren't afraid of a NK nuke strike on US soil.

The only way I see him going there is if Kim does something that kills US soldiers stationed in SK/Japan. When that happens Korean War Part 2 will start.

XlaxJynx007 posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

But N. Korea would actually need nukes that work.

This, their various missile tests over the past decade have been vastly unsuccessful.

They absolutely have missiles capable of hitting Asian countries. The ones that keep blowing up are the long range ones meant to be able to hit America.
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