Poll of the Day > Odds of Trump impeachment rise to 25%, market falls 200+ points

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CountessRolab
05/17/17 10:17:14 AM
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05/17/17 10:18:11 AM
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Odds are from predictit and represent impeachment by year-end.
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05/17/17 10:19:40 AM
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Mead
05/17/17 10:20:43 AM
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What are these odds based on?
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 10:32:01 AM
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The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 10:33:14 AM
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Mead posted...
What are these odds based on?


It's all based on how much money people are pumping into it. Usually only experts/insiders are the ones throwing huge amounts of money in. It has actually been very accurate in the past.
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Mead
05/17/17 10:33:36 AM
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What is it that makes him worse? I don't know a whole lot about him
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SkynyrdRocker
05/17/17 10:42:33 AM
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Can't trump not get impeached until like 2018 because the republicans control the house? I thought the house voted to impeach?
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Zangrief
05/17/17 10:44:33 AM
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SkynyrdRocker posted...
Can't trump not get impeached until like 2018 because the republicans control the house? I thought the house voted to impeach?


Some republicans are starting to lean that way. He's too reckless even for them to keep him on principal.
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 10:45:43 AM
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Mead posted...
What is it that makes him worse? I don't know a whole lot about him


He is a hardline religious extremist. Trump brought him onboard so he could get the Jesus Camp vote
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Cacciato
05/17/17 10:47:10 AM
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CountessRolab posted...
The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.

This I agree with.
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jamieyello3
05/17/17 10:55:36 AM
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It honestly amazes me every day just how not fit he is to be president.

If Trump were Democratic I would still mock him. I don't think Dems would elect a Trump.
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Allisonata
05/17/17 10:57:52 AM
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I wish Trump took Kasich as his VP. Kasich was the best Republican runner. Easily the best.
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Peterass
05/17/17 11:00:20 AM
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CountessRolab posted...
The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.


Getting impeached doesn't mean you are removed from office
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Smarkil
05/17/17 12:11:24 PM
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I hope he gets impeached but mostly just for the lulz.
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Junpeiclover
05/17/17 12:28:39 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
If Trump were Democratic I would still mock him. I don't think Dems would elect a Trump.


yea he turned looney which was unfortunate. Once he noticed being an asshole/saying inappropriate racial/homophobic/able bodied vs disabled comments was making him popular he rode on that

Says more about the country and it's people than Trump to be honest. Obviously he is still the one to blame but his followers are people who deserve to be mocked as well

Peterass posted...
Getting impeached doesn't mean you are removed from office


um, yea it does. technically the past presidents weren't removed and just google why. #stopsayinglies
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05/17/17 12:28:47 PM
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Allisonata posted...
I wish Trump took Kasich as his VP. Kasich was the best Republican runner. Easily the best.

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shadowsword87
05/17/17 12:37:32 PM
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Man, life must suck to watch the market fall because people hate you.
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darkknight109
05/17/17 12:41:37 PM
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Junpeiclover posted...

Peterass posted...
Getting impeached doesn't mean you are removed from office


um, yea it does. technically the past presidents weren't removed and just google why. #stopsayinglies

If you want to be technical "impeachment" isn't the same as removal, it's just the first step in the process. Hence why Clinton was impeached, but still served out his term.
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Rottenmonk
05/17/17 12:49:09 PM
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I'm as far left as it gets and Trump is awful, but it would be waaaaay worse with Pence, Ryan or McConnell as President. The good news is Trump is so incompetent that everyone is busy cleaning up his messes and not advancing awful Republican agendas.

If Trump gets impeached, then I hope the three stooges go down with him for being either linked or complicit in the ongoing scandal.
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SushiSquid
05/17/17 1:13:55 PM
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Impeachment is the official Congressional trial of an official, which may or may not remove them. If Trump were to be impeached and removed from office, I'd have to imagine Pence would go with him for collusion with all of it.
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St_Kevin
05/17/17 1:17:47 PM
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Zeus
05/17/17 1:47:59 PM
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CountessRolab posted...
Odds are from predictit and represent impeachment by year-end.


Was going to ask where you got that from. Never heard of the site/group and no idea how reliable it is, although it looks like it's a matter of individuals choosing to bet on something rather than any genuine insight.

CountessRolab posted...
The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.


"Nobody likes Pence. In fact, we call him Puny Pence behind his back."

Junpeiclover posted...
yea he turned looney which was unfortunate. Once he noticed being an asshole/saying inappropriate racial/homophobic/able bodied vs disabled comments was making him popular he rode on that


Except none of that was really true and, more importantly, he ENTERED the race talking about illegal immigrants which opportunistic pundits tried to spin as "Trump is racist and believes that all Mexicans are rapist by default!!!"

SushiSquid posted...
Impeachment is the official Congressional trial of an official, which may or may not remove them. If Trump were to be impeached and removed from office, I'd have to imagine Pence would go with him for collusion with all of it.


Also no. If Trump was impeached for firing Comey -- as many around here seem to believe he could be -- that wouldn't take out Pence and, because there's no merit to the Russian collusion claims, the investigation would clear Pence (and Trump) anyway.

Rottenmonk posted...
I'm as far left as it gets and Trump is awful, but it would be waaaaay worse with Pence, Ryan or McConnell as President. The good news is Trump is so incompetent that everyone is busy cleaning up his messes and not advancing awful Republican agendas.

If Trump gets impeached, then I hope the three stooges go down with him for being either linked or complicit in the ongoing scandal.


I have no issues with a Paul Ryan presidency (who, honestly, really should have been the GOP candidate in 2012) and I don't have any strong objections to Pence. More importantly, it would be impossible to link Ryan or Mitch McM to the alleged campaign scandal first because there was no collusion but second, and more importantly, because they weren't involved in his fucking campaign. By your logic, you could lock up Hillary for Trump's campaign.
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Junpeiclover
05/17/17 1:50:34 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
If you want to be technical "impeachment" isn't the same as removal, it's just the first step in the process. Hence why Clinton was impeached, but still served out his term.

-_- You're right.

Rottenmonk posted...
I'm as far left as it gets and Trump is awful, but it would be waaaaay worse with Pence


Yep, pray everybody gets the boot
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Peterass
05/17/17 2:07:29 PM
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Junpeiclover posted...
jamieyello3 posted...
If Trump were Democratic I would still mock him. I don't think Dems would elect a Trump.


yea he turned looney which was unfortunate. Once he noticed being an asshole/saying inappropriate racial/homophobic/able bodied vs disabled comments was making him popular he rode on that

Says more about the country and it's people than Trump to be honest. Obviously he is still the one to blame but his followers are people who deserve to be mocked as well

Peterass posted...
Getting impeached doesn't mean you are removed from office


um, yea it does. technically the past presidents weren't removed and just google why. #stopsayinglies



No it really doesn't
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 9:16:25 PM
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Seriously, liberals should NOT be trying to impeach Trump. A Pence presidency would be horrific
Stick with the devil you know.
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Zeus
05/17/17 9:30:24 PM
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CountessRolab posted...
Seriously, liberals should NOT be trying to impeach Trump. A Pence presidency would be horrific
Stick with the devil you know.


Technically we know Pence more than we do Trump, so that's a mixed metaphor. After all, Pence has plenty of government precedent whereas Trump we're still trying to figure out and we won't probably figure out by the time his term ends.
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streamofthesky
05/17/17 9:43:57 PM
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Rottenmonk posted...
I'm as far left as it gets and Trump is awful, but it would be waaaaay worse with Pence, Ryan or McConnell as President. The good news is Trump is so incompetent that everyone is busy cleaning up his messes and not advancing awful Republican agendas.

If Trump gets impeached, then I hope the three stooges go down with him for being either linked or complicit in the ongoing scandal.

I'm moderate, and totally agree.
Pence scares the shit out of me, he's everything Trump is on financial and environmental policy (actually more so) with the added bit of being a christian jihadist, hellbent on turning our country into a theocracy.
Plus he gets along better w/ Republicans, so he'd actually get their agenda accomplished.

McConnell is probably the scummiest politician in the country but thankfully has several people ahead of him in line.

Paul Ryan wants an Ayn Randian economic hellscape, but so do Trump, Pence, and McConnell so nothing worse on that front, and he's at least not a religious extremist. Best of the bad options to succeed an impeached Trump.

Democrats need to be very careful here. DO NOT rush this investigation. Demand it to be as thorough as possible to ensure the process is carried out fairly (staunch Trump voters' anger that "they couldn't beat him in the vote (even though they did) so they're using dirty tricks" cause you know it's coming). This also means keeping dysfunctional Trump in office longer instead of Republican best-buds Pence or Ryan. Ideally, the proceedings carry on long enough for Dems to have a chance to re-take the House in 2018. At a minimum, they need to try and make sure Pence is tied into the scandal, so he is impeached, too and we get lesser-evil Ryan (ideally it goes into 2019 and a Dem speaker comes in line for the office). Which itself will take time.
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 10:53:38 PM
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It is very possible Trump could also resign--especially if his poll numbers get horrifically low. If he drops under 30%, republicans will start to jump ship and it would be a downward spiral.
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 10:54:10 PM
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But yeah, Pence is the kind of guy who would try to install cameras in everyone's home.
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Mead
05/17/17 10:55:27 PM
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If he thinks he might be removed he will resign. He is like Andy Bernard, he doesn't lose at things, he wins at them. Or he quits them, because they're unfair.
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Zeus
05/17/17 10:55:33 PM
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CountessRolab posted...
It is very possible Trump could also resign--especially if his poll numbers get horrifically low.


LOL! You're talking about the guy who never considered dropping out after scandal after scandal -- granted, most were manufactured except for the hilarious leaked tape -- hit him during the campaign. You also probably missed it, but he gave a "Never give up" speech just today. He ain't quitting.
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Mead
05/17/17 10:58:17 PM
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Zeus posted...
CountessRolab posted...
It is very possible Trump could also resign--especially if his poll numbers get horrifically low.


LOL! You're talking about the guy who never considered dropping out after scandal after scandal -- granted, most were manufactured except for the hilarious leaked tape -- hit him during the campaign. You also probably missed it, but he gave a "Never give up" speech just today. He ain't quitting.


Yeah he never considered quitting in all the many years he has been in office

Tell us more left leaning Zeus
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 11:07:01 PM
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Zeus
05/17/17 11:08:45 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
CountessRolab posted...
It is very possible Trump could also resign--especially if his poll numbers get horrifically low.


LOL! You're talking about the guy who never considered dropping out after scandal after scandal -- granted, most were manufactured except for the hilarious leaked tape -- hit him during the campaign. You also probably missed it, but he gave a "Never give up" speech just today. He ain't quitting.


Yeah he never considered quitting in all the many years he has been in office

Tell us more left leaning Zeus


He could have literally quit any time on the campaign trail, right-leaning Mead. He could have swerved and refused the Republican nomination. He could dropped out after the Billy Bush tape leak. He could have refused the presidency and said that his entire campaign was to prove that he could win and he had no interest in giving up so much power and money to become president. He didn't. He didn't despite frequently unfavorable reception. Why would he stop now? It could only make things worse for him since even if he was exonerated -- like Flynn was -- there would be the specter of collusion from stepping down that the Eriks of the world would point to as evidence.

Also, we need to hold an exorcism for you because apparently you've been possessed by the spirit of Erik P.
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Mead
05/17/17 11:12:08 PM
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Zeus posted...
Why would he stop now?


https://news.google.com/#pcid=FRONTPAGE
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dainkinkaide
05/17/17 11:30:26 PM
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He could just be deemed too inept to fulfill the duties of the Presidency and removed by Congress on recommendation by the Vice President and a majority of his Cabinet, pursuant to Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.

Of course, Trump would probably then write a letter to Congress affirming that he's "the best at Presidenting" or whatever, and the VP and Cabinet would just send another letter reiterating "No, guys, he's really not."

This would probably go on continuously until 2020.
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Zeus
05/17/17 11:38:58 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Why would he stop now?


https://news.google.com/#pcid=FRONTPAGE


Again, why would he stop now? If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained.

dainkinkaide posted...
He could just be deemed too inept to fulfill the duties of the Presidency and removed by Congress on recommendation by the Vice President and a majority of his Cabinet, pursuant to Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.

Of course, Trump would probably then write a letter to Congress affirming that he's "the best at Presidenting" or whatever, and the VP and Cabinet would just send another letter reiterating "No, guys, he's really not."

This would probably go on continuously until 2020.


The GOP wouldn't ever be so brazen, especially in light of how it treated him during the campaign trail. If they tried pulling that, it would probably tank their party for a lifetime. Meanwhile the worst-case with Trump being in office is leaving some congressman and senators vulnerable.
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Rasmoh
05/17/17 11:38:58 PM
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Nothing like watching liberals desperately circlejerk to the flawed notion that there's even the slightest chance of Trump being removed from office.
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CountessRolab
05/17/17 11:39:41 PM
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Rasmoh posted...
Nothing like watching liberals desperately circlejerk to the flawed notion that there's even the slightest chance of Trump being removed from office.


Do you live under a rock?
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Mead
05/17/17 11:41:41 PM
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Zeus posted...
If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained.


#ZeusLogic
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Rasmoh
05/17/17 11:41:41 PM
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CountessRolab posted...
Do you live under a rock?


No, I live in reality. It isn't going to happen.
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Zeus
05/17/17 11:53:41 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained.


#ZeusLogic


No, it's every informed person's logic. Under no scenario does resigning improve his situation, it could only hurt him. Therefore, he HAS to stay in office and ride things out.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/17/17 11:58:54 PM
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Neat, maybe games will go back to $60 in Canada again.
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Mead
05/18/17 12:52:54 AM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained.


#ZeusLogic


No, it's every informed person's logic. Under no scenario does resigning improve his situation, it could only hurt him. Therefore, he HAS to stay in office and ride things out.


I'm sure things would have been better for Nixon if he had stayed in office and never gotten his pardon.
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Zeus
05/18/17 1:37:44 AM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained.


#ZeusLogic


No, it's every informed person's logic. Under no scenario does resigning improve his situation, it could only hurt him. Therefore, he HAS to stay in office and ride things out.


I'm sure things would have been better for Nixon if he had stayed in office and never gotten his pardon.


Overlooking that Nixon arguably had complicity after the fact by choosing to shield his staffers even if he didn't order it, it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent. More importantly, Nixon didn't have a fucking empire built on his name which is vulnerable to a bad reputation. But sure, pretend that they're exactly the same.
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Mead
05/18/17 1:45:49 AM
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Zeus posted...
a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent.


We'll see.

He certainly isn't acting like it. I guess you have some logical reason that it makes sense for him to tell the FBI director to stop an investigation into his campaign, and then fire him the week he requests more resources for it.
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darkknight109
05/18/17 2:08:50 AM
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Zeus posted...
it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent

Pretty ballsy statement considering that it's impossible for anyone in the public to know with any reasonable degree of certainty whether Trump is innocent or guilty.
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streamofthesky
05/18/17 2:51:55 AM
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Zeus posted...
CountessRolab posted...
It is very possible Trump could also resign--especially if his poll numbers get horrifically low.


LOL! You're talking about the guy who never considered dropping out after scandal after scandal -- granted, most were manufactured except for the hilarious leaked tape -- hit him during the campaign. You also probably missed it, but he gave a "Never give up" speech just today. He ain't quitting.

Hilarious as the headlines of "Trump declares moral bankruptcy" to announce his resignation before he can be impeached (declaring bankruptcy is basically quitting, Trump's quit plenty of times in the past), I really don't want him to.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/18/17 2:58:52 AM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained.


#ZeusLogic


No, it's every informed person's logic. Under no scenario does resigning improve his situation, it could only hurt him. Therefore, he HAS to stay in office and ride things out.


I'm sure things would have been better for Nixon if he had stayed in office and never gotten his pardon.


Overlooking that Nixon arguably had complicity after the fact by choosing to shield his staffers even if he didn't order it, it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent. More importantly, Nixon didn't have a fucking empire built on his name which is vulnerable to a bad reputation. But sure, pretend that they're exactly the same.

Except a lot of people he worked with or ripped off sort of killed that already. Then there's Trump University...
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