Poll of the Day > Removal of CONFEDERATE Statues begins as Workers wear BULLETPROOF VESTS!!!

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Full Throttle
05/18/17 1:53:23 AM
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Do you think the confederate legacy is something to be "proud" of?


Piece by Piece, The confederate statues of the racist soldiers were being dismantled in New Orleans as the changing landscape shows workers tearing down the bronze and stone statues that once seemed unremovable in a region that clings to Confederate legacy...

But the tearing down came at controversy as White Confederates were seen SCREAMING in anger over the removal as Black Protesters were cheering over the removal and clashed with the confederate whiners..

Confederate General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard, the 3rd of 4 monuments city officials plan to take down across the city as the news release came and police cordoned off the area

Mayor Mitch Landrieu said "Today we take another step in defining our City not by our past but by out bright future. While we must honour our history, we will now allow the confederacy to be put on a pedestal in the heart of New Orleans"

He called for the removal in the lingering emotional aftermath of the 2015 massacre started by Soon to be executed, Dylann Roof in South Carolina, who murdered 9 black parishioners.

But the removal was not easy after the council voted 6-1 in 2015 to remove them as the removal process was being THREATENED with DEATH THREATS from confederate protesters as the work stalled for months.

They had to wear BULLETPROOF VESTS, helmets and face coverings to shield their identities

Supporters camped out on streets waving the confederate battle flag and called for the monuments to stay as they said it honours their history for the "great soldiers" who made the South "great" like Trump has.

But the majority black city said the monuments pays honour to slavery and segregation for what those soldiers fought for and wanted it taken down.

Confederate President Jefferson Davis was finally lifted from the pedestal which saw massive cheers who waited hours to see it removed as the granite obelisk "The White Rebellion" was the least prominent monument and was the first to be removed..

That commemorated what was known as the Battle of Liberty Place in 1874, a rebellion by whites who battled a biracial Reconstruction era government in New Orleans and an inscription extolling white supremacy was added in 1932.

Do you think these the confederate legacy is something to be "proud" of? let's see what people think

Statue being removed -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/04/406AEDC700000578-4513396-image-a-73_1494992733289.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/04/40320EBC00000578-4513396-image-a-76_1494992963476.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/04/406B153F00000578-4513396-image-a-77_1494993031794.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/18/406B1D6A00000578-4513396-A_granite_obelisk_titled_The_White_Rebellion_erected_in_1891_was-a-5_1495043043839.jpg

Confederate Whiners -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/04/406B07E900000578-4513396-image-a-74_1494992921113.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/18/406B1D7700000578-4513396-The_City_Council_voted_6_1_in_2015_to_remove_the_monuments_after-a-4_1495043043600.jpg

Protest fight -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/17/04/406B0E1D00000578-4513396-image-a-91_1494993542059.jpg
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Mead
05/18/17 1:55:25 AM
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Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
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Zeus
05/18/17 3:25:12 AM
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Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

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VeeVees
05/18/17 3:28:43 AM
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Confederates lost. They should be remembered however the winner wants them to be remembered.
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jamieyello3
05/18/17 3:40:41 AM
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Bet Germany kept all their Nazi propaganda proudly on display as part of their history.

I'm actually German, the only reason I'd have a bunch of swastikas on my walls is obviously because I'm proud of my culture.

The Confederacy fought for slavery and they lost. Was slavery the cause of the civil war? Maybe not, but they still fought for slavery.

This is like being proud of Nazi heritage versus being proud of actual German culture. Hicks just have to be hicks, though, and there sure are a hell of a lot of them. Gotta get those southern theatrics in.
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Alexandra_Trent
05/18/17 3:57:29 AM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

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dainkinkaide
05/18/17 4:03:40 AM
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Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

There's a difference between reminding people of terrible history, and putting that terrible history in a place of reverence, like a literal pedestal in a public square.

Put your horrible history where it belongs: In a museum or a history class.

Added bonus: In order to see their beloved "heroes", Confederate sympathizers will actually have to go to museums (increasing museum revenue) or school.
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jamieyello3
05/18/17 4:11:06 AM
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I too, miss the Confederate, and what it could have stood for.

Honestly the US should split so southerners can live in their dirt hole utopia, where they don't constantly mooch off the north and pretend they did anything to make this country great. The only thing they've done was be a dumb uneducated voter base to constantly keep us in useless wars.

I don't know if they'll be able to farm much much longer with the world getting warmer and all. Can't wait until the south creates a super virus due to them feeding cows anti-biotics as part of their regular diet, because they're literally catastrophic.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/18/17 4:11:31 AM
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Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

Agreed. Why not just deny the holocaust while we're at it?
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jamieyello3
05/18/17 4:12:51 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

Agreed. Why not just deny the holocaust while we're at it?

There's a difference between remembering the holocaust and proudly displaying Nazi symbolism on public buildings.
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Mead
05/18/17 4:13:33 AM
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dainkinkaide posted...
Put your horrible history where it belongs: In a museum or a history class.


Yeah, hide it away where we don't have to look at it.
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Zeus
05/18/17 4:16:26 AM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Bet Germany kept all their Nazi propaganda proudly on display as part of their history.

I'm actually German, the only reason I'd have a bunch of swastikas on my walls is obviously because I'm proud of my culture.

The Confederacy fought for slavery and they lost. Was slavery the cause of the civil war? Maybe not, but they still fought for slavery.

This is like being proud of Nazi heritage versus being proud of actual German culture. Hicks just have to be hicks, though, and there sure are a hell of a lot of them. Gotta get those southern theatrics in.


Because apparently fighting for freedom is literally the equivalent of a regime stuffing people in ovens. More importantly, this isn't even about flags so your whole false equivalency is even weaker.

As for the support of slavery, anybody who supported the US government during the revolutionary war therefore supported slavery and we have statues built to honor famous slavers, not to mention on our money. Benjamin Franklin? Slaver. Washington? Slaver. Jefferson? Plantation owner. Lincoln? Well, he didn't own slaves, but he also didn't wants blacks in our country. However, if the reason for objecting to these statues is slavery, why not tear down the Washington monument as well?

dainkinkaide posted...
There's a difference between reminding people of terrible history, and putting that terrible history in a place of reverence, like a literal pedestal in a public square.


Gee, the Washington monument is pretty prominently placed and, among other things, he was a slaver. He was also a rebel who slaughtered countless countrymen. Does that sound familiar?
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jamieyello3
05/18/17 4:19:41 AM
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Unless history class has completely failed me, the British did not try to abolish slavery during the Revolutionary war, and your point is completely irrelevant.
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Zeus
05/18/17 4:28:48 AM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Unless history class has completely failed me, the British did not try to abolish slavery during the Revolutionary war, and your point is completely irrelevant.


But they were still slavers fighting to maintain their way of life against a system which they felt was denying them representation. More importantly, Britain had effectively outlawed slavery in 1772 which certainly would have concerned slavers in the 1770s since it could be seen as a hint of legislation to come, as was Lincoln's election years later.
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jamieyello3
05/18/17 4:45:10 AM
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Britain didn't outlaw slavery until 1833.
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Sensual_T_Rex
05/18/17 4:46:03 AM
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Alexandra_Trent posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

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Zeus
05/19/17 12:07:45 AM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Britain didn't outlaw slavery until 1833.


It was de facto illegal in Britain itself in 1772 when they ruled that they didn't recognize slavery. The 1833 date refers to when they proactively banned it in the colonies but, if you were alive in the 1770s, you'd rightly fear that they'd get rid of slavery in your area next. @jamieyello3
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EightySeven
05/19/17 12:46:16 AM
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You know I was about to note that it's odd that unsuccessful rebellions are venerated to this level, but I guess France honors Vercingetorix and Italy honors Spartacus.
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knivesX2004
05/19/17 1:00:41 AM
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Here's a fun tip you can use whenever you guys are talking about the civil war.

If the person you are talking to calls it "the War of Northern Aggression" or refers to the confederate flag as " The Battle Standard of Northern Virginia" then you've already won the argument. Just move along and let them pretend like they won.
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Zeus
05/19/17 1:07:00 AM
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EightySeven posted...
You know I was about to note that it's odd that unsuccessful rebellions are venerated to this level, but I guess France honors Vercingetorix and Italy honors Spartacus.


I'm not entirely sure venerated is the right word. Plus many of the individuals honored were important persons in their own right *before* the revolution. Robert E. Lee came to prominence during the Mexican-American War, for instance. It's not like the entirety of *any* of their existences was the Civil War and, by removing monuments, you're forgetting the other shit they did.
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EightySeven
05/19/17 1:28:32 AM
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Zeus posted...
I'm not entirely sure venerated is the right word.


I am. There are areas of the South where the Confederacy and its generals are definitely venerated.
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AbsoluteDenial
05/19/17 1:40:36 AM
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@Zeus

Why do you debate with other posters so much over differing opinions you already know won't change?
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Zeus
05/19/17 2:00:02 AM
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AbsoluteDenial posted...
@Zeus

Why do you debate with other posters so much over differing opinions you already know won't change?


Now hold on there, @AbsoluteDenial , you don't know that their opinions won't change. I'm a firm believer in reformation. However, and more importantly, it's not just about them. If somebody sees an argument that's wrong and, without a counterbalance, decides to believe it, then the wrong idea spreads. So even if some people are intractable (the Eriks of the world), this could stop somebody from falling into that pattern.
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yutterh
05/19/17 7:15:33 AM
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...
Alexandra_Trent posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

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BlackScythe0
05/19/17 8:16:28 AM
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Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.


There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.
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Mead
05/19/17 8:21:06 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.


There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.


Thank you for your hyperbole.
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BlackScythe0
05/19/17 9:05:17 AM
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Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.


There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.


Thank you for your hyperbole.


If mine is hyperbole would that just make yours incredibly misleading or a total lie?
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Mead
05/19/17 9:18:52 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.


There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.


Thank you for your hyperbole.


If mine is hyperbole would that just make yours incredibly misleading or a total lie?


Well I would need to know how you seperate incredibly misleading from just regular misleading
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Conner4REAL
05/19/17 9:26:54 AM
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While there is no significant difference between modern Germany distancing itself from its nazi era past and any artifacts that emulate such from that era, and the United States (finally) wiping away the celebration of a treasonous act taken against the union of the United States (i.e. Confederate traitors),
I would just like to remind people that There is a huge difference between the lengths Germany has gone to erase the memory and not just remove the monuments celebrating that dark era in their history and what we are doing to remove that stain on the face of our great nation that was marred by the confederate traitors. We are not removing the memory only the artifacts that support and promote the traitors. Those artifacts should be preserved since as dark as they are they belong in a museum or some where else in context as a part of history.

Erasing them is not the answer. Removing them so they aren't displayed as a positive symbol is.
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BlackScythe0
05/19/17 10:09:54 AM
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Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.


There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.


Thank you for your hyperbole.


If mine is hyperbole would that just make yours incredibly misleading or a total lie?


Well I would need to know how you seperate incredibly misleading from just regular misleading


The statues were made to celebrate traitorous slavers. And you're trying to equate ending that celebration to erasing history which is simply not true.
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JTekashiro
05/19/17 10:55:20 AM
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Could you imagine if German government buildings still flew the Nazi flag? Because that is what flying the Confederate flag is tantamount to. The Confederates fought for slavery and lost. Why would they deserve any kind of place in history aside from the "losers" section?
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Zareth
05/19/17 11:25:34 AM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

Yeah, keep pushing that "Everyone who fought on the losing side in any war was a racist" agenda.
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InfestedAdam
05/19/17 11:36:17 AM
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It should be something that's remembered but not something I would say one should be proud of.

Personally I find it a little odd to be proud of something that you're only related to by association. Being Chinese am I proud of the feat taken to build the Great Wall of China? Of course not. Even if my ancient ancestors were involved, I did nothing on my end.
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TheSlinja
05/19/17 11:56:44 AM
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of course not every confederate soldier fought for slavery, but not every nazi was for torching jews either
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Amuseum
05/19/17 2:51:21 PM
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I read it as "Removal of CONFEDERATE STATES", and actually that's not far off. civil war 2 is around the corner.

Somehow history is scarier than the present. A Confederate heritage that has done no harm in 150 years, is more dangerous than a presently violent, bigoted religion currently promoting mass global invasion of nations of infidels. naturally, let's be tolerant of the presently harmful ideology while abolishing further an irrelevant harmless tradition.
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Zareth
05/19/17 2:53:31 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
of course not every confederate soldier fought for slavery, but not every nazi was for torching jews either

I actually read a liberal article that claimed that every member of the German military during Hitler's regime was a heartless bastard who deserved to die.
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Unfernal_Server
05/19/17 3:20:27 PM
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Lol, I've said it before but if confederates want to keep their statues in place maybe they should have an army to defend them. Oh wait, that didn't work out so well the first time. Confederates deserve their space in the history books, but their archaic symbols and statues have no entitlement to a place in public.
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Zeus
05/20/17 4:45:13 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.


There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.


Really not even worship, but let's not let the facts get in the way of hyperbole. It also overlooks that these people were famous for doing more than just that. Again, it's analogous to wanting to take Ben Franklin off currency because he was a slave-owner.

Conner4REAL posted...
While there is no significant difference between modern Germany distancing itself from its nazi era past and any artifacts that emulate such from that era, and the United States (finally) wiping away the celebration of a treasonous act taken against the union of the United States (i.e. Confederate traitors),
I would just like to remind people that There is a huge difference between the lengths Germany has gone to erase the memory and not just remove the monuments celebrating that dark era in their history and what we are doing to remove that stain on the face of our great nation that was marred by the confederate traitors. We are not removing the memory only the artifacts that support and promote the traitors. Those artifacts should be preserved since as dark as they are they belong in a museum or some where else in context as a part of history.

Erasing them is not the answer. Removing them so they aren't displayed as a positive symbol is.


Actually, there's a pretty significant difference. First in that Nazi Germany's war was one of conquest rather than independence. Second in that they were the fucking Nazis. The two groups aren't even remotely comparable.

As for the issue of treason, both sides could make a valid claim because of the way the country was structured. More importantly, it's hard to pretend that the North had a moral high ground when they were wantonly murdering defenseless women and children. And, if you're going to talk rebellion and treason being bad, you've pretty much forgotten how the country got started.

Amuseum posted...
A Confederate heritage that has done no harm in 150 years, is more dangerous than a presently violent, bigoted religion currently promoting mass global invasion of nations of infidels. naturally, let's be tolerant of the presently harmful ideology while abolishing further an irrelevant harmless tradition.


Islam? There's really not much we can do to get rid of a foreign nation's religion, short of occupying and brutalizing the population which would make us as bad as ISIS. Plus while Islam might exacerbate certain problems, it's really not the biggest driver of terrorism. The real issue is regional instability, partly due to Western intervention.
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TheSlinja
05/20/17 9:35:01 AM
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Zeus posted...
Second in that they were the fucking Nazis. The two groups aren't even remotely comparable.

I dont know about you but the fact that I could have grown up in a life of slavery is just as bad as the nazis, we arent playing a game of whose atrocities were worse here, wheres the line between oh this was a complete crime against humanity they should be destroyed and oh this was a complete crime against humanity but they werent hitler so go ahead and honor them
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OneTimeBen
05/20/17 9:49:12 AM
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Leave it to the internet to compare the American south confederates to Hitler. That said it should not be celebrated in 2017. But we should remove them from history?
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Zareth
05/20/17 11:49:08 AM
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Zeus posted...
Islam? There's really not much we can do to get rid of a foreign nation's religion, short of occupying and brutalizing the population which would make us as bad as ISIS. Plus while Islam might exacerbate certain problems, it's really not the biggest driver of terrorism. The real issue is regional instability, partly due to Western intervention.

Erik would never believe that you posted that.
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RazorX2003
05/20/17 1:04:40 PM
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History is history and im disgusted by the destruction it.
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XlaxJynx007
05/20/17 1:26:15 PM
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RazorX2003 posted...
History is history and im disgusted by the destruction it.

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XlaxJynx007
05/20/17 1:27:12 PM
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I'm still a believer that a Confederacy is closer to what the founding fathers envisioned for America than a Federal Republic.
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Zeus
05/20/17 3:23:30 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
Zeus posted...
Second in that they were the fucking Nazis. The two groups aren't even remotely comparable.
I dont know about you but the fact that I could have grown up in a life of slavery is just as bad as the nazis, we arent playing a game of whose atrocities were worse here, wheres the line between oh this was a complete crime against humanity they should be destroyed and oh this was a complete crime against humanity but they werent hitler so go ahead and honor them


No, it's still worse because under that scenario you could have also wound up in a concentration camp and a concentration camp makes slavery look good because it was a death sentence. More importantly, you're once again bringing up slavers so, by that logic, we should tear down the Washington monument because, guess what, Washington was a slaver so if your objection is slavery he shouldn't be venerated.

Zareth posted...
Zeus posted...
Islam? There's really not much we can do to get rid of a foreign nation's religion, short of occupying and brutalizing the population which would make us as bad as ISIS. Plus while Islam might exacerbate certain problems, it's really not the biggest driver of terrorism. The real issue is regional instability, partly due to Western intervention.

Erik would never believe that you posted that.


Because Anti-Reality Erik P lives in his own little world where he distorts whatever I say to mean whatever he wants it to mean. This statement, however, is completely consistent with previous statements. Islam is a problem, but it's not the largest reason for terrorism because terrorism needs instability which is why just everybody except the Obama administration knew that disrupting most of the Middle East was a terrible idea and doing the same to Syria would only make things worse.
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BlackScythe0
05/20/17 3:45:31 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
I'm still a believer that a Confederacy is closer to what the founding fathers envisioned for America than a Federal Republic.


They were still alive when the articles of confederation failed and wrote the document that made us a republic.
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