Current Events > Acting like all religions are equally bad in 2017 is dishonest.

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I'm tired of seeing people say "Christianity is just as bad as Islam, it's just been forced to modernise, that's why we don't see Christian terrorists!"

Yeah, see that part about it actually modernising? That's why it's better, in 2017, than Islam. Stop living in a vacuum where the present time doesn't matter. Until the Muslim-majority parts of the world get their act together, it's simply dishonest to act like each religion is as toxic as each other to western culture.
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Stop it with your logic and common sense
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*slow clap*
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Bump.
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All religions are bad but some are worse than others.
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there are christian terrorists though, lmfao.

what about all the christian terrorists in africa and the UK? what about the americans who blow up abortion centres?
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G_G posted...

there are christian terrorists though, lmfao.

what about all the christian terrorists in africa and the UK? what about the americans who blow up abortion centres?

Probably bait but I'll reply in case anyone thinks you're serious. That stuff is a drop in the ocean compared to Islamic terrorism.
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That feels like a cheap argument to make though. Christianity isn't as toxic right now because they have all the power.

Look at what happens though every time zealous Christian groups feel like society is oppressing their values (e.g. same sex marriage).

I would say though that the problem isn't religion. It's dogmatic and fervent acceptance of any belief system without critical thought. I know quite a few people who identify as "scientists" who degrade in raving lunatics when discussing religion because it doesn't fit in with their worldview.
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all religion is toxic because i dislike religion
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Islam does absolutely nothing in my country. Christianity is still fighting against women and gay rights.

While being the victim of a terrorist attack is bad, there are many ways Christianity is holding the US and other western countries back.
Yeah, hating on gay marriage is hardly equal to being killed, but they're both bad and we should not respect either for promoting it.

"all religion is bad"

*watches a christian church donate tens of thousands of dollars a year to the poor and hungry, do volunteer work, at home and abroad*

"... but the crusades!"
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The Eternal Flame posted...

Christianity is just as bad as Islam, it's just been forced to modernise, that's why we don't see Christian terrorists!"

We DO have Christian terrorists...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Check out the "Contemporary" tab.

People are shit. Religion makes for a fine excuse...
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Vindris_SNH posted...

"all religion is bad"

*watches a christian church donate tens of thousands of dollars a year to the poor and hungry, do volunteer work, at home and abroad*

"... but the crusades!"

Oh Yeah, it's fine if you propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine if you give to the poor.
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Abrahamic religions have always been toxic as fuck, since their conception.

The only abrahamic religion that is actually good, and promotes shit that needs to be promoted is Satanism
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PrinceDBF posted...

_Near_ posted...

All religions are bad

maybe if your only perceptions come from the news. stories about a priest raping a child or a crazy fundamentalist beating on a gay person is a lot more interesting than a church collecting food for homeless people or a criminal finding religion and turning his life around, so you won't hear much of the good very often.

ultimately it's a double-edged sword, good and bad, but without it i think you'd find the bad would remain through other excuses.

No, it's from the perspective that most religions teach violence and discrimination in their holy texts. That's why they are bad.
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Eh, not just crusades, religion now a days are still persecuting a lot of people, just cause an old book told them to do so, and not even always that. While not as bad as outright killing, but still has issues.
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_Near_ posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

"all religion is bad"

*watches a christian church donate tens of thousands of dollars a year to the poor and hungry, do volunteer work, at home and abroad*

"... but the crusades!"

Oh Yeah, it's fine if you propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine if you give to the poor.

Yeah, because all Christians propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine. Get with the times, man.
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LotrMorgoth posted...

That feels like a cheap argument to make though. Christianity isn't as toxic right now because they have all the power.

Look at what happens though every time zealous Christian groups feel like society is oppressing their values (e.g. same sex marriage).

Dunno what the point you're trying to make is, but your statement is blatantly false. The church used to wield much more power as in the past it actually had direct influence on governments. The same can be said in pretty much any Muslim majority country as there is no separation of church and state for Muslims. Having more power isn't a good thing.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't think I've seen a lot of people say that "all religions are bad." It's really just been the Abrahamic religions. I can't recall ever hearing someone say, "Man, Taoism is just shit. Those folks are ruining the world."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855

good post
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

There are Muslim foundations in America that do the same shit

It's actually one of the pillars of Islam...

All religion has good bits, all religion has shitty bits. All religion has members who focus primarily on the good bits, and members who focus on the shitty bits.

It's almost as if a person's virtue is unrelated to their religion and vice versa...
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I don't think I've seen a lot of people say that "all religions are bad." It's really just been the Abrahamic religions. I can't recall ever hearing someone say, "Man, Taoism is just shit. Those folks are ruining the world."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855

Compared to Christianity and Islam that's barely anything at all
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LightHawKnight posted...

Eh, not just crusades, religion now a days are still persecuting a lot of people, just cause an old book told them to do so, and not even always that. While not as bad as outright killing, but still has issues.

Many people use religion as an excuse to be hateful toward people that do things they don't like. That certainly isn't what Christians are supposed to do. Christians are supposed to follow the example of Jesus, who was a pacifist who treated "sinners" with nothing but love and mercy.
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The Deadpool posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

There are Muslim foundations in America that do the same shit

It's actually one of the pillars of Islam...

All religion has good bits, all religion has shitty bits. All religion has members who focus primarily on the good bits, and members who focus on the shitty bits.

It's almost as if a person's virtue is unrelated to their religion and vice versa...

It's still a fact that there is no place for religion in 2017. Religion is a shitty concept created solely to subjugate and control others
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All religions are potentially as bad. Christianity has gone though changes Reformations for the better. Yet there are people who would bring Christianity down to the level of current Islam. Thinking your religion can't be as bad is dishonest.

Yeah I want Islam to change for the better and I support Muslims who are also fighting for that change. But I also don't want Christianity to change for the worse.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

_Near_ posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

"all religion is bad"

*watches a christian church donate tens of thousands of dollars a year to the poor and hungry, do volunteer work, at home and abroad*

"... but the crusades!"

Oh Yeah, it's fine if you propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine if you give to the poor.

Yeah, because all Christians propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine. Get with the times, man.

Oh yeah and all Christians give to the poor.

I'm not talking about Christians. I'm talking about Christianity. Their book(s) propagates violence, ignorance and discrimination. Simple as that. If you want it to be a good religion, take a marker and strike out every time it teaches you to do something evil (like letting people rape your family, sending people to eternal damnation, selling human beings, etc.). Then we can talk.
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Eh..... the moderate Christians are just as bad (or probably worse) as the moderate Muslims, and the radicals are just as bad as the radicals.

There are a lot more radical Muslims though. But you shouldn't use that as an excuse to stop hating on Christianity, even today it does more harm than good.
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_Near_ posted...

All religions are bad but some are worse than others.

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PrinceDBF posted...

_Near_ posted...

PrinceDBF posted...

_Near_ posted...

All religions are bad

maybe if your only perceptions come from the news. stories about a priest raping a child or a crazy fundamentalist beating on a gay person is a lot more interesting than a church collecting food for homeless people or a criminal finding religion and turning his life around, so you won't hear much of the good very often.

ultimately it's a double-edged sword, good and bad, but without it i think you'd find the bad would remain through other excuses.

No, it's from the perspective that most religions teach violence and discrimination in their holy texts. That's why they are bad.

i'd prefer to look at the actual results rather than arbitrary, gaping generalizations.

I prefer to look at the text of the religion which has been used as validation for evil acts.
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creativerealms posted...

All religions are potentially as bad.

This is objectively false.
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The truth is that religions are at their best when they act as though they aren't even there, and Islam hasn't quite gotten a handle on that part yet.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Religion is a shitty concept created solely to subjugate and control others

So is ANY ideology. So is god damned government.

Humans work better together and groups need excuses to stay together.

If religion were magically written off existence all those holy wars would be just fought for some other dumb excuse. Humans are shitty to each because humans are shitty.
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The Deadpool posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Religion is a shitty concept created solely to subjugate and control others

So is ANY ideology. So is god damned government.

Humans work better together and groups need excuses to stay together.

If religion were magically written off existence all those holy wars would be just fought for some other dumb excuse. Humans are shitty to each because humans are shitty.

This is also objectively false

Not every ideology was created to subjugate and control others, and in fact most of them wouldn't make any sense at all to be seen that way.

Christianity and Islam were created as a tool specific for that reason, and the proof can be seen in the "holy" books themselves.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

"all religion is bad"

*watches a christian church donate tens of thousands of dollars a year to the poor and hungry, do volunteer work, at home and abroad*

"... but the crusades!"

Mommy what are taxes?
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_Near_ posted...

propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine

This is such BS.
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_Near_ posted...

All religions are bad but some are worse than others.

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Asherlee10 posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I don't think I've seen a lot of people say that "all religions are bad." It's really just been the Abrahamic religions. I can't recall ever hearing someone say, "Man, Taoism is just shit. Those folks are ruining the world."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855

Compared to Christianity and Islam that's barely anything at all

Correct and there are always going to be outliers.

Exactly. But in some religions, those things are not considered outliers, but are actually quite common place in different parts of the world (Christianity and Africa, Islam and the Middle East, etc)
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Asherlee10 posted...

it probably feels like it's all of them because

Just because some people are too narrow minded to understand that not all Christians or sects of Christianity are hateful, doesn't mean it isn't true. Some people look at a group like Westboro Baptist Church and think they represent most/all Christians. That simply isn't true. Most non-denominational protestant churches are filled with people who treat everyone with love and respect, including gays, women, etc.

I think the world, unfortunately, has a very twisted idea of what an average Christian is, because people tend to focus on the negative, and that's all you hear about in the media; all these terrible things Christians do.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

_Near_ posted...

propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine

This is such BS.

Only if you never read the book.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

_Near_ posted...

propagate a sexist, homophobic, violent doctrine

This is such BS.

It's entirely true though
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

entirely

You shouldn't use words if you don't know what they mean.
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apolloooo posted...

_Near_ posted...

All religions are bad but some are worse than others.

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_Near_ posted...

Their book(s) propagates violence, ignorance and discrimination.

No, the Bible does not propagate any of that. It propagates peace and love.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you've never read through the entire Bible yourself. Well, guess what... I have. When you've done that yourself, come and talk to me.

Until then we're not having this discussion.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

entirely

You shouldn't use words if you don;t know what they mean.

I do know what that word means which is why I used it. It's entirely true.

It's written in their holy books and preached about at their churches.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

_Near_ posted...

Their book(s) propagates violence, ignorance and discrimination.

No, the Bible does not propagate any of that. It propagates peace and love.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you've never read through the entire Bible yourself. Well, guess what... I have. When you've done that yourself, come and talk to me.

Until then we're not having this discussion.

Im not _Near_, but I'd like to point out that me reading the Bible in its entirety is exactly why I'm not a Christian anymore. It's a toxic religion, full of hateful ideals, and lead by a spiteful and evil god.

And it also does indeed propagate all the things he said it does
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Vindris_SNH posted...

_Near_ posted...

Their book(s) propagates violence, ignorance and discrimination.

No, the Bible does not propagate any of that. It propagates peace and love.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you've never read through the entire Bible yourself. Well, guess what... I have. When you've done that yourself, come and talk to me.

Until then we're not having this discussion.

Except for the parts where it doesn't promote those things. The parts that are valid or invalid depending on what agenda wants to be pushed today.

I really wish we would just stop with this imaginary friend business. Then no one would have to worry about which fantasy interpretation is canon.

Like others, I left the Christian faith because of what was taught to me.
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