Current Events > Fallout 4 is great so far and y'all made it sound trash

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Twinmold posted...

Anyway F4 fans on this board are delusional and will concede nothing in an argument so there is no point in discussing it

Oh no, the anti-semite doesn't like Fallout 4 and is really butthurt about it. Whatever will society do?

I was close to taking you seriously. But not that close.
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I like NV and 4. But can't stand 3
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Ahahaha what the fuck

Thank you tagging system.

What do you want? You're arguing that Fallout 4 isn't popular or well liked. Objectively untrue. If you dislike it. Nothing wrong with that.
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Twinmold posted...

What do you want? You're arguing that Fallout 4 isn't popular or well liked.

No I'm not, I'm saying that opinion on F4 is split, which is obviously true if you've ever been anywhere on the internet. The most common example being "It's a good game but a bad Fallout game"
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The most common example being "It's a good game but a bad Fallout game"

That's been the complaint against every Bethesda title they've made since Morrowind. (Does nobody remember how much people whined about that upon release too)? The popularity and critical reception are so absurdly positive it doesn't make sense to listen to the opinions of a few spurned fans. It seems you're taking the echo chamber of the net, and projecting that to actual representative opinion.

What does that complaint even mean anyway? The original 2 Fallout games aren't exactly bastions of popularity.
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Twinmold posted...

a few

You mean people everywhere lol

Twinmold posted...

What does that complaint even mean anyway?

Generally that it does an awful job of being a good RPG
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You mean people everywhere lol

Baseless statement with no qualifying evidence.

Generally that it does an awful job of being a good RPG

Opinion based on loosely defined genre definitions. Fallout 4 is an RPG.
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It's gameplay is great.

It's roleplaying elements and story are pretty weak, though.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It's gameplay is great.

except for that it is extremely repetitive. literally almost every mission is just "go here, kill these guys". better games make quests and gameplay much more varied than that.

I'm talking about the actual mechanics itself.


It's the first modern Fallout game where you don't have to rely on VATS.
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VATS only exists because Bethesda was unable to make passable gunplay combat in their engine. It's literally a crutch, and not having to rely on it just means the game is playable as a shooter now. It's still no HL2, and I'd say the engine continues to a be a big reason why. Movement sucks in all of beth's games
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Doe posted...

VATS only exists because Bethesda was unable to make passable gunplay combat in their engine.

Err, what? Lol


VATS is from the original Fallout games too and what you were saying was the case, why wouldn't Elder Scrolls have something similar for archer characters?
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>Manages to barely catch up to modern shooters
>Only took Bethesda several tries to make FPS mechanics not wonky as all hell (Oblivion, Skyrim, FO3, NV BUT: NV wasn't made by them, and Oblivion and Skyrim don't have guns, although their other ranged stuff is "odd")

"It's amazing guys, the combat is actually serviceable as a basic FPS now! Great game!"


I mean I'm not necessarily hyper-against FO4 ok I do think it's outstandly "meh" ~5.5/10 as a game but whatever, but it does tickle me when it just manages to catch up to like being "average" in a bunch of departments (most, really) and suddenly that makes it great.
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Dragon239 posted...

>Manages to barely catch up to modern shooters
>Only took Bethesda several tries to make FPS mechanics not wonky as all hell (Oblivion, Skyrim, FO3, NV BUT: NV wasn't made by them, and Oblivion and Skyrim don't have guns, although their other ranged stuff is "odd")

"It's amazing guys, the combat is actually serviceable as a basic FPS now! Great game!"

Nobody was saying it's amazing, but considering it's not a competitive shooter like Halo or Call of Duty, it's mechanics work perfectly fine for the type of game that it is.
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Nah, nobody said amazing... but you specifically did say its gameplay was great, and so did several other people.

When really, its gameplay is basically just "serviceable" in every department, managing to be particularly good at about none of them.

But I guess if one mashes enough 5/10s together it adds up to great through advanced gameplay calculus.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

VATS is from the original Fallout games too

No it's not. They let you do a "targeted shot" but the concept and implementation of V.A.T.S. did not exist until F3.
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Doe posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

VATS is from the original Fallout games too

No it's not. They let you do a "targeted shot" but the concept and implementation of V.A.T.S. did not exist until F3.

It's the exact same thing. Literally.


The only thing Bethesda did was name it and give it a lore-based reason for existing. It was a staple carried over from previous games.

If it existed for the reason you say, then it would exist in the Elder Scrolls series, too.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It's the first modern Fallout game where you don't have to rely on VATS.

i don't view using VATS in 3 or NV as negative at all. i enjoyed VATS. but regardless of personal preference, if you had a high enough guns/small guns stat, it was very much feasible to forego VATS when using sniper rifles in both 3 and NV. in fact once you get it to max it can actually be more effective to not use VATS.

Nothing is inherently wrong with VATS. The problem in previous Fallouts was that your playstyle had to be used exclusively around it provided you weren't using sniper rifles. It limited how you could play the game.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

If it existed for the reason you say, then it would exist in the Elder Scrolls series, too.

Guns and throw-ables aren't the main weapons used in TES. Although, the ranged combat there is awful regardless, ignoring dice rolls in Morrowind, Oblivions physics are still godawful. Ranged spells feel horrible and something is distinctly "off" when using bows.

Targeted Shot exists because Fallout was a turn based RPG, so you could get away with that because combat was already paused anyway.

Fallout lost a lot of features in transitioning to Beth's format, but "VATS" was something of no particular relevance that got added because their game couldn't handle real time combat with weapons well.
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the series has been on a downward trend towards mindless shooter since Fallout 2. Fallout 4 has an amazing combat & inventory system compared to it's predecessors of course, but the RPG elements are garbage (even settlement building is pretty boring without mods to make NPC occupants more interesting)





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Twinmold posted...

The most common example being "It's a good game but a bad Fallout game"

That's been the complaint against every Bethesda title they've made since Morrowind. (Does nobody remember how much people whined about that upon release too)? The popularity and critical reception are so absurdly positive it doesn't make sense to listen to the opinions of a few spurned fans. It seems you're taking the echo chamber of the net, and projecting that to actual representative opinion.

What does that complaint even mean anyway? The original 2 Fallout games aren't exactly bastions of popularity.

it means that bethesda is only good at crafting giant open worlds

when it comes to things like world building, writing and actual role playing (things that were staples of fallout) they are downright atrocious at it
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I liked it.

After playing through Mass Effect Andromeda Fallout 4 seems like a home run to be honest.
Hell this conversation about baseball was more memorable than 99% of Mass Effect Andromeda to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWpwFejEAh4

The factions, the companions, the random ass weird interactions and questlines you can find out in the wastelands it was all so so so much better than Mass Effect Andromeda that my nostalgic brain is now thinking of Fallout 4 as a 9.5/10 while at the time I thought it was an 8/10.

They were literally angry that Bethesda didn't change the formula of a 10/10 game. If it ain't broken and they didn't mess with it, don't complain about it.
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It's mainly just a vocal minority of nerds on the internet who thinks it's trash.
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It's pretty good, but I definitely prefer New Vegas because of the depth of writing and dialogue. I prefer 4 to 3 at least.
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Only bullshit about this game is that power armor now requires fuel.
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Also you meet dogmeat at the RED ROCKET station lmfao
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DoomtheGrav posted...

Also you meet dogmeat at the RED ROCKET station lmfao

LOL yeah
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Fallout 4 isn't trash. It's just not as good as Fallout 2.
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