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TheVipaGTS
07/09/17 4:03:43 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
And that makes them left-wing Socialist, how?

In Mal's simple minded world, Nazi=Bad, Left=Bad, Socialism=Bad, therefore Nazi's must be Leftists Socialists.
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ManSpread
07/09/17 4:08:30 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Who gets angry when Nazis get punched? It ain't the left. :>

punching non violent citizens is dumb regardless of their beliefs

spencer is a shit tier human, but punching people unprovoked just makes you look like an asshole
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 4:11:17 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
What about the Nazis was Socialist?

They seized the means of production and gave it to the state.

In what fucking fantasy world did that happen?

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
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hockeybub89
07/09/17 4:14:43 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
What about the Nazis was Socialist?

They seized the means of production and gave it to the state.

In what fucking fantasy world did that happen?

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

Well if ancaps say so then it must be so.

I am still not seeing the "not capitalist = left wing burning example of socialism" logical leap.
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 4:19:03 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Well if ancaps say so then it must be so.

I am still not seeing the "not capitalist = left wing burning example of socialism" logical leap.

If you don't understand why taking the means of production away from private business owners and having the state control what products are made at what prices is socialism, then you have no fucking clue and socialism is.
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EnragedSlith
07/09/17 4:19:10 PM
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Mal_fet is proof of chasing your narrative in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It isn't a fight you can win. Maybe you should try basing your views around evidence rather than searching for evidence to support your views
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 4:20:54 PM
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EnragedSlith posted...
Mal_fet is proof of chasing your narrative in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

He says, about the only guy who's provided any sort of evidence in this topic XD
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gunplagirl
07/09/17 4:23:28 PM
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ManSpread posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Who gets angry when Nazis get punched? It ain't the left. :>

punching non violent citizens is dumb regardless of their beliefs

spencer is a shit tier human, but punching people unprovoked just makes you look like an asshole

There's no such thing as a nonviolent Nazi
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hockeybub89
07/09/17 4:30:07 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Well if ancaps say so then it must be so.

I am still not seeing the "not capitalist = left wing burning example of socialism" logical leap.

If you don't understand why taking the means of production away from private business owners and having the state control what products are made at what prices is socialism, then you have no fucking clue and socialism is.

That is what I am saying. Nazi Germany was not a left-wing socialist society. You need more than "the state took over things" to prove that. Is North Korea left-wing socialism then?

Nazi Germany did a lot of things that were the antithesis of socialism or leftism. This is where you mention that SJWs act like Hitler so Hitler is a liberal or some other stupid logic.
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 5:05:20 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
That is what I am saying. Nazi Germany was not a left-wing socialist society. You need more than "the state took over things" to prove that. Is North Korea left-wing socialism then?

Okay, you actually don't know what socialism even means. Please go ahead and Google the definition. It'll help you out a lot.
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creativerealms
07/09/17 5:07:49 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
JE19426 posted...
How can you be a leftist facist?

Stalin

Mao

Castro

Maduro

Lenin

Hitler

All leftist fascists.

Hitler leftist? Lol. Lol LOL. Nothing about the Nazi were leftist. I give you the communists though. You should have stopped before Hitler.
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hockeybub89
07/09/17 5:14:18 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
That is what I am saying. Nazi Germany was not a left-wing socialist society. You need more than "the state took over things" to prove that. Is North Korea left-wing socialism then?

Okay, you actually don't know what socialism even means. Please go ahead and Google the definition. It'll help you out a lot.

Pot, kettle. I am not denying that state controlled means of production isn't an element of socialism. I am arguing that it is an incredibly simplistic view on socialism and does little to prove Nazi Germany was a left-wing socialist society and that left-wing and/or socialist policies are inherently evil.
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AcFan87
07/09/17 5:16:53 PM
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I'm not the least bit surprised that they are a leftist group. I expect that kind of barbaric behavior from them.
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Full Throttle
07/09/17 5:17:13 PM
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i'm sorry but if the Nazi's were "left-wing socialists" why exactly are the KKK and Nazi sympathizers supportive of right-wing parties today?
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 5:50:14 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Pot, kettle. I am not denying that state controlled means of production isn't an element of socialism.

It is the primary element of socialism.

Seriously, go read up on the definition.

hockeybub89 posted...
and that left-wing and/or socialist policies are inherently evil.

Left-wing socialist policies constantly create tyrannical governments that oppress their people. Seems pretty inherently evil.
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 10:34:05 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derHRFGZ4NU

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hockeybub89
07/09/17 10:41:34 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derHRFGZ4NU

A group of ignorant extremists on the left unwittingly cheered Hitler quotes, therefore Hitler was a left-wing socialist.

How do you explain people on the right-wing that support Nazi beliefs? Is Richard Spencer left-wing and just too stupid to know it?
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Anteaterking
07/09/17 10:53:07 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
It is the primary element of socialism.

Seriously, go read up on the definition.


"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production"

What part of Hitler's government exhibits a democratic control of production?
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Mal_Fet
07/09/17 11:16:06 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
A group of ignorant extremists on the left unwittingly cheered Hitler quotes, therefore Hitler was a left-wing socialist.

Hitler was a left-wing socialist because he meets the definition of a left-wing socialist.

Anteaterking posted...
"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production"

What part of Hitler's government exhibits a democratic control of production?

Government ownership = public ownership ("social" ownership). There must be a central organizing body to coordinate the means of production even when it's owned by "the people", and that's what the government is.
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hockeybub89
07/10/17 3:35:21 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
A group of ignorant extremists on the left unwittingly cheered Hitler quotes, therefore Hitler was a left-wing socialist.

Hitler was a left-wing socialist because he meets the definition of a left-wing socialist.

Anteaterking posted...
"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production"

What part of Hitler's government exhibits a democratic control of production?

Government ownership = public ownership ("social" ownership). There must be a central organizing body to coordinate the means of production even when it's owned by "the people", and that's what the government is.

He asked where the democratic control was and you completely ignored that part of the definition. Your boy Trump really trained you in the art of the swerve. When did government control become uniquely left-wing and socialist. You also still haven't told me if North Korea and neo-Nazis are left-wing socialists either.
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Mal_Fet
07/10/17 12:07:40 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
He asked where the democratic control was and you completely ignored that part of the definition.

The Nazi government was a democracy. They voted Hitler in. The fact that a government existed to organize publicly-owned property does not disqualify it from being socialism.

Your boy Trump really trained you in the art of the swerve. When did government control become uniquely left-wing and socialist.

Because that's literally the definition of left-wing. A big central government that takes care of more of the individual's life is the essence of left-wing politics.

You also still haven't told me if North Korea and neo-Nazis are left-wing socialists either.

North Korea is leftist. Neo-Nazis are just racists who largely don't know or care about how the Nazi party was actually run.
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FursonaNonGrata
07/10/17 12:21:16 PM
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Mal_Fet
07/10/17 12:30:48 PM
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Lol, I edited my post to respond to the rest before I posted this.
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JE19426
07/10/17 3:10:37 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
The Nazi government was a democracy.


No they weren’t.

They voted Hitler in.


They voted him into a coalition government. The Nazis they then arrested almost all the other members of the government who disagreed with them. If that's you definition of "democracy" then it's pretty ridiculous.

Because that's literally the definition of left-wing.


No it's not.
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Mal_Fet
07/10/17 5:13:25 PM
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JE19426 posted...
They voted him into a coalition government. The Nazis they then arrested almost all the other members of the government who disagreed with them. If that's you definition of "democracy" then it's pretty ridiculous.

"They were corrupt, therefore they weren't socialists"

Do you even hear yourself right now?
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JE19426
07/10/17 5:28:02 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
"They were corrupt, therefore they weren't socialists"


Where on Earth did I claim this?

Do you even hear yourself right now?


Yes I can. Can you hear yourself?
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