Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - Says here 'Ragger' had 'Anal'... (SPOILERS)

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I could have sworn I remembered reading a casting call for Rhaegar for this season. I guess if he was ever gonna show up it was always gonna be in the season finale. I hope we see him.
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Jeff Zero posted...

In the books, they're 14 and 13 respectively at the beginning. In the show, I tend to think he's about 18 and she's 19. I don't know, it just feels right to me somehow. Always has.

The bigger question is: how old are they now? How many years have passed in the show? So hard to say. I'm thinking maybe four, but the actors are clearly my age (almost to a tee, in fact; just a bit older).

According to the Wiki we started in 298 and we're now in 304.

They also retcon the Battle of the Trident to 281 (instead of 283) to age everyone up however. Which would make Jon 17 at the start of the series and 23 now.
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Catelyn is like 32 in the books. There's no way she's only 36~ in the show. Some characters were aged more than others.
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I'm willing to bet people age worse in the north.
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Anagram posted...

Catelyn is like 32 in the books. There's no way she's only 36~ in the show. Some characters were aged more than others.

Well yeah but Jon and Dany's births are linked to events in the story so it's harder to play with their ages. The same can be said for basically anybody born after the rebellion. You can make Catelyn 20 years older if you want and not affect the story at all.
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Although it doesn't really make sense for the eldest daughter of a major lord to wait so long to get married.
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Is Cat that much younger than Ned? If she were the same age she would be 39-40. That seems fine.

For what it's worth Michelle Fairley was 46 filming season 1, so it's not actually a huge difference.
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In the books Ned is a year or two older. He's 35 at the start of the series, she's 33 or 34.
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JetJaguar posted...

In the books Ned is a year or two older. He's 35 at the start of the series, she's 33 or 34.

So she had Robb at... 14?

Edit: nvm I didn't realize he was Jon's age
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JetJaguar posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

In the books, they're 14 and 13 respectively at the beginning. In the show, I tend to think he's about 18 and she's 19. I don't know, it just feels right to me somehow. Always has.

The bigger question is: how old are they now? How many years have passed in the show? So hard to say. I'm thinking maybe four, but the actors are clearly my age (almost to a tee, in fact; just a bit older).

According to the Wiki we started in 298 and we're now in 304.

They also retcon the Battle of the Trident to 281 (instead of 283) to age everyone up however. Which would make Jon 17 at the start of the series and 23 now.

Huh. I was pretty close. I wonder if maybe I'd read this before and forgotten about it, and that's why I was so close in my guesses.

Six years seems a bit much, but maybe I'm just kind of unaccustomed to so much time passing in 10-episode seasons. Ye olde Star Trek spinoffs tended toward 26 episodes per season, so it was easier for me to fathom. That and, well, with the exception of late DS9, they were also way, way, way less serialized.
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Also, I reckon Show!Ned and Show!Cat are like 45 in Season 1.
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i know a cave that has all the correct ages, the ancients scrawled that shit there so we could flirt about it

Jeff Zero posted...

Also, I reckon Show!Ned and Show!Cat are like 45 in Season 1.

The problem with that is that there's no way a high ranking nobleman's daughter like Catelyn would be unmarried until like 28.
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Back when Cersei crowned herself I read this article that, following the lineage all the way back, Tywin's line of Lannisters actually has a Baratheon ancestor making it not so completely fraudulent.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Back when Cersei crowned herself I read this article that, following the lineage all the way back, Tywin's line of Lannisters actually has a Baratheon ancestor making it not so completely fraudulent.

I'm sure by that logic that half the nobles in Westeros have a distant Targaryen ancestor.
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And if they had a large enough army they could use it to stake their claim. But luckily for Cersei, they generally don't.
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True, because the Martels actually have a closer more recent Targaryen ancestor so technically it would be them next. If you count Targaryens anyway.

want to announce this Shit, been a secret TArg the whole time

blackfyre , its good

XIII_rocks posted...

See I actually thought "now it begins/now it ends" was added in by TV because it seemed such a Hollywood line. Weird.

The biggest change here was in tone: In the show, Ned sounds badass, rather than mournful.
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https://twitter.com/DisownGoT/status/886740456989655041

good thread

Just seeing the name of the account makes me never want to click on that.
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Mya Stone added to the show when
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Lot of stuff there is outright wrong and a lot seems to be kind of forced, trying too hard to find shit to complain about (I hate that attitude).

Some good points though in fairness.
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velocycloraptor posted...

https://twitter.com/DisownGoT/status/886740456989655041

good thread

>No Littlefinger

Pffftt..haha...
Show Littlefinger is probably the most ruined character in the history of entertainment media after Starcraft 2 Kerrigan
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Yeah lf should have been there. Still a fun read though.

I will hold out on LF until we see what happens.

I still hold out hope he has an actual plan instead of twirling his mustache.
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FFDragon posted...

I will hold out on LF until we see what happens.

I still hold out hope he has an actual plan instead of twirling his mustache.

It's either the most disappointing thing in the entire show or is going one of the most glorius twists
Not like I can expect something that makes sense..like what, Sansa deciding to get rid of Arya and take control of Winterfell, Theon-style? not going to happen
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...Euron, lame? You can accuse him of being many things, but I don't think "lame" is one of them.

I do agree with a lot of his complaints, though people need to stop writing essays on Twitter. Just link to them on some site that makes it not physically painful to read.
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For me, it's hard to judge show Littlefinger and Varys when we don't really know their endgame in the books. But show LF has gotten to the point where I still am not sure what he's doing....but in a bad way.

Definitely some good points in there. Really makes me want to reread.
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dowolf posted...

...Euron, lame? You can accuse him of being many things, but I don't think "lame" is one of them.

Of course you can. He's this badass charismatic independent pirate warlord.... who is relegated to being Cersei's attack dog/beta orbiter.

And now they are afraid to show him on screen because they know he would get instantly obliterated by a single dragon, since they neutered that whole part of his character too.
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live updates as JZ rewatches 7x05 in prep for 7x06

the previously on music sounds like synth, I like it

sometimes I hate the pretentiousness of the previously on music

best to just admit you're a Hollywood show, nothing wrong with it

give me synth or give my death
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dowolf posted...

...Euron, lame? You can accuse him of being many things, but I don't think "lame" is one of them.

nah, i'm good with that. the show tries way too hard to portray him as cool. it's just silly.
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dundunDUNdun dundunDUNdun dundun
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Euron rules, though? Like he's the best, and doesn't to pull out a dumb dragon horn out of nowhere to be cool
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Jaime and Bronn surface for air. The Sonic the Hedgehog timer was on its last 1/16th because they swam across the realm to elude Daenerys' eyes and Tyrion's logical deduction

these hills make me think of the Frostback Basin in Dragon Age: Inquisition. Very autumnal. I'm glad Game of Thrones remembered to make the South autumnal now that it's, you know, winter

Jaime's hair gets darker every season, much like mine own

"I have to tell Cersei"
"May as well jump back in that river"

Tyrion is scouring the battlefield like a prowler in heat. Man, he is not sure how to feel about all these dead people who were mostly probably not assholes. I got really tired of Rains of Castamere motif seeping into everything back in the day, but it's unworn its welcome and it's a pleasant piece again

Daenerys is dressed so wonderfully for this burning ceremony that's being disguised as an anti-Cersei speech

I really like this scene; shoutout to James Faulkner because he conveys Randyll's despair-turned-pride at Dickon's stubbornness super-well. Too bad ya never gave a rat's ass about your other son, ya dick[on-maker]
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well book euron isn't cool either. this wasn't a "oh no the show ruined him" (though i do think book euron is more interesting just because there's more mystery there)

basically the iron islands were a mistake

except for theon

he's been a compelling story. ...well, was, in the case of the show. but he still at least provides the much needed levity for me. by having the mvp moment of the season.
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I loved Euron in AFfC
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Peter Dinklage has this brief wince at young Dickon right before it happens. Good times. Love everyone bowing before Daenerys immediately after the burning. Feels earned. I genuinely enjoy Daenerys, but I can't deny mid-seasons fare sometimes felt somewhat unearned for her

The Jaime/Cersei scene has more weight to it than some of their mid-seasons affairs, too. I wish Jaime's arc had gone in a different direction, but Olenna's postmortem shadow has added a layer I didn't expect. This "Cersei's allegedly pregnant again" thing is kind of hokey, but whatever
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Djawadi is on fire this episode. I hadn't really noticed it so much the first time but I'm using my headset now and hot damn. The music in this Jon/Drogon scene is outstanding, especially the first ten seconds of it. Love how abruptly this happens, too. Another example of the more blockbuster approach to the series working in its favor to some extent; suddenly Drogon is interested in Jon, and Daenerys is interested in Jon. No words in this scene for a solid 100 seconds; this always stands out to me (in a good way).

"You weren't gone long"
"No"
"And?"
"And I have fewer enemies today than I did yesterday"
Daenerys learned from Stannis' grammatical tutelage; no wonder Davos is playing matchmaker

So on the other hand, the swift pace of the season has Jorah's return to Daenerys in the same scene where Jon/Drogon happened, and that's a bit of a rush. Doesn't really detract for me, but might have been better as a later-in-the-episode thing. Sort of dilutes the purpose of the overall punch of this extended sequence

Suddenly, ravens. Thousands of them.
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Jeff Zero posted...

Daenerys learned from Stannis

don't you dare

the one true king of westeros understood that he needed to save the realm to claim the throne not claim the throne to save the realm
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The Night King looks at the ravens and they scatter. It's like... a deconstruction of the ravens being the all-seeing eyes of the dark lords of epic fantasy

I love these maesters chuckling amongst themselves and telling tales. It's like a BioWare codex until Sam paragon interrupts because plotoverdriveplotplotplotplotpleaseplotwehavesevenepisodesffs. Also this is the scene my friend finally commented that he likes "the guy playing that maester dude" and I got to express that Jim Broadbent is a talented character actor. Now the maesters are chuckling again. "Ahh, Lodos." *all laugh* You can really tell this ep was written by Dave Hill, who was originally responsible for those lore special features on the Blu Rays.

Seeing Tyrion and Varys sitting down and drinking together in Westeros, albeit with rather... dwarven surroundings, is very nostalgic. All threads are bare; Tyrion knows (and is probably right) that he can trust Varys, so it's very third-season. "Did you read it?" "It's a sealed scroll from the King-in-the-North." "... ... ...what's it say?"

Anyway, pausing, because pizza's on its way~
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xp1337 posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

Daenerys learned from Stannis

don't you dare

the one true king of westeros understood that he needed to save the realm to claim the throne not claim the throne to save the realm

he was a dullard and he'd have made a terrible, dull king

(I liked him ftr!)
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Jeff Zero posted...

xp1337 posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

Daenerys learned from Stannis

don't you dare

the one true king of westeros understood that he needed to save the realm to claim the throne not claim the throne to save the realm

he was a dullard and he'd have made a terrible, dull king

(I liked him ftr!)

man it's like we have the exact opposite opinions on everything about this show
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Technically that's not true unless you think he'd have made a great king AND ALSO disliked him!

If you did, well uh

There's got to be SOMETHING we agree on, somewhere
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you got me

(I considered noting that exception case but was too lazy, I was more thinking how I was just thinking to myself how I had the opposite reaction to the Lannister/Tarly army kneeling to Daenerys)
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I think a Stannis reign would have brought a stable, yet unexciting rule to the seven kingdoms.

Which honestly would have been fine.
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I kind of wish someone would confront Brienne with the fact that Renly was by no possible right king, but I know it'll never happen.
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FFDragon posted...

I think a Stannis reign would have brought a stable, yet unexciting rule to the seven kingdoms.

Which honestly would have been fine.

Stannis is the only person in Westeros even more unyielding than Ned Stark. He'd have either been assassinated or started a huge problem in King's Landing with all of its necessary corruption among the nobility.
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Hurry up, pizza, I would like to return to Eastwhat are you kidding me GameFAQs are you telling me there's a banned word in that episode title you fuck
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