Current Events > Conservatives don't give a shit about big government or the Constitution

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If they did, Joe Arpaio would embody what they despise: a man who used his government power to violate the bill of rights at great expense to the public. The fact that they seem willing to give him a pass reveals the bankruptcy of their ideology.
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Me: ok
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Trump is not a conservative, and this pardon is not widely supported by them.
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The Admiral posted...

Trump is not a conservative,

https://media.tenor.com/images/4b7399689d7c8d618b7ea21bcec6be6d/tenor.gif
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Republican =/= conservative
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The Admiral posted...

this pardon is not widely supported by them.

I'd like to see a poll on that.
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The Admiral posted...

Trump is not a conservative

We're going to be hearing this a lot more in the coming weeks.
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Is the only conviction a contempt-of-court, or did I miss something?

NadYobWoc posted...

The Admiral posted...

Trump is not a conservative

We're going to be hearing this a lot more in the coming weeks.

Not sure why he even had to give his opinion on Trump when this is about the rightwing who is willing to give that asshole Arpaio a free pass when they should be protesting even louder than anyone

NadYobWoc posted...

The Admiral posted...

Trump is not a conservative

We're going to be hearing this a lot more in the coming weeks.

You'd have been hearing it since before the election if you took a break for a few minutes from calling everyone on the right racists and Nazis.
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TC wouldn't be a true socialist unless he was here telling other people what they think.

You're right. Republicans don't. Neither do Democrats.


I'm just waiting for you all to catch up on that fact.
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Trump is and always has been a New York Republican.

(a liberal who likes lower taxes and law-and-order)
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Trump is right-wing nationalist, which isn't the same thing as a conservative. Those groups differ widely on global economic, social, and national defense policies, and in this case adherence to rule of law.
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lilJoe457 posted...

Neither do Democrats.


I'm just waiting for you all to catch up on that fact.

This would be a good, accurate own, if I was a Democrat.
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Mal_Fet posted...

a liberal who likes lower taxes and law-and-order

You can't pardon a guy found to be in criminal contempt of court AND claim to be for law and order.
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That's because a lot of Republicans these days don't care at all about conservative principles. Trump barely represents conservative principles at all. The ones who just want to piss off liberals and deport illegals aren't really people who have well thought out positions on things like this.
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Oh, now Trump doesnt count as a conservative. Even if that were true, it doesn't take away any of the other hypocrisies and double standards many conservatives/Republicans have about government.
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Southernfatman posted...

Oh, now Trump doesnt count as a conservative. Even if that were true, it doesn't take away any of the other hypocrisies and double standards many conservatives/Republicans have about government.

People have been saying Trump is not a conservative from the very start. Ben Shapiro for example.
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At a certain point, conservatism is what the people who call themselves conservatives do and support. 81 percent of conservatives voted for Trump last November.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/exit-polls/
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Antifar posted...

At a certain point, conservatism is what the people who call themselves conservatives do and support. 81 percent of conservatives voted for Trump last November

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/exit-polls/

And I'm sure a similar number of black supremacists, anarchists, and Communists voted for Hillary. This is what you get in a two party system. Only thing it indicates is that everyone doesn't fit nicely into two parties.
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Antifar posted...

At a certain point, conservatism is what the people who call themselves conservatives do and support. 81 percent of conservatives voted for Trump last November

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/exit-polls/

Obama pardoned James Cartwright, the guy who lied to the FBI about giving out details of Iran's nuclear program.

The majority of liberals voted for Obama, therefore liberals are against national security. </Antifar logic)
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Please, the move here is to point out the Democrats' dumb sit-in over the "no fly, no buy" thing, which would have taken an opaque racial profiling mechanism and hinged second amendment rights on it.

If you are going to deflect to liberals and Democrats (which, again, I am neither), please do it right.
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trump is a modern day conservative. Of course he doesn't hold traditional conservative values, but neither did the bushes or reagan
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Mal_Fet posted...

Obama

literally "but obama"
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big government isn't even something that is inherently bad (I do scoff at the motion that the world's 3rd largest country can somehow function on smaller government though)
they hate big government but literally support a mini fascist in the oval office sounds about right.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Is everyone ITT at least in agreement that pardoning him is ridiculous and without merit? No one seems to be defending it but people are mostly just trying to disassociate Trump from conservatives.

it's a warm up so Trump as scandals mount on him attempts to impose a de facto state of emergency, when the GOP rolls over like the nutless dogs most of that party is it will send a further go ahead to his Mussolini tendencies
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*Yawn*
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Also I'm glad at the silver lining in this in that we can finally dispel once and for all with this fiction that Trump is a "law and order" President
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Doom_Art posted...

Also I'm glad at the silver lining in this in that we can finally dispel once and for all with this fiction that Trump is a "law and order" President

So no president we've ever had has been a law-and-order president. Not Washington, not Roosevelt, not Clinton, nor Obama, nor Trump. Correct?
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Correct. Which is (partly) why most haven't sought that label.
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Antifar posted...

Correct. Which is (partly) why most haven't sought that label.

Also Mal do you agree with this pardon?
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Antifar posted...

Correct. Which is (partly) why most haven't sought that label.

Wew lad.

Doom_Art posted...

Also Mal do you agree with this pardon?

No, but I am wondering where all your outrage was for Obama when he did the same thing 78 times.
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Mal_Fet posted...

No

I'm glad you agree with us then. It makes your clumsy attempts at deflection a bit odd though
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So ridiculous that people, who frequently and interchangeably use "liberal", "leftist", "democrat" and, sometimes, "SJW" to mean the same thing, have a problem with a possibly incorrect label being placed on a person.

Which doesn't fucking matter when the same people frequently defend Trump and/or his ideas and positions. Completely fucking bogus to act like there's some separation there, specifically in regard to this topic of discussion.
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Conservatives don't give a shit about anything or anyone except shitting on people who are different than themselves. Black people, trans people, Hispanics, Muslims, gay people, and especially liberals.

They throw out words like oh you're a leftist, oh you're a SJW, oh you're an agitator, and all of them have this implicit connotation like they think you aren't worth the dirt on the bottom of their shoe. But if you insult them back for their views they call you snowflake and say you're against free speech, you want to suppress other people's opinions.

People like Admiral and Mal_get like to pretend Trump isn't a conservative and so he doesn't represent what conservatism is, but the truth is he is and he does. It's reflected in the enormous percentage of professed conservatives who loooooove Trump. Trumpism is conservatism, and Trumpists are awful, horrible people. You do the math.
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Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No

I'm glad you agree with us then. It makes your clumsy attempts at deflection a bit odd though

When you act like pardoning Arpaio is a major disaster when you couldn't be bothered to care when Obama did this same shit 78 times, it shows your outrage is based on butthurt rather than logic. Deny it all you like, but it's the truth.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No

I'm glad you agree with us then. It makes your clumsy attempts at deflection a bit odd though

When you act like pardoning Arpaio is a major disaster when you couldn't be bothered to care when Obama did this same shit 78 times, it shows your outrage is based on butthurt rather than logic. Deny it all you like, but it's the truth.

Coward and troll.
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Mal_Fet posted...

When you act like pardoning Arpaio is a major disaster

It displays a horrid disregard for the judicial system, yes.

And a disregard for the spirit of the pardon

My life is unchanged by this, but it's just another example of Trump's contempt for this country's institutions.
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Equating Joe Arpaio to the people Obama pardoned cleverly erases all context. The problem is not "a president pardoned a guy," but that the guy he chose to pardon is a racist ghoul who regularly violated people's constitutional rights. Joe Arpaio, a man who faked an assassination attempt and framed a man for it, who housed inmates in a place so hot it melted their shoes, which he referred to as a "concentration camp," who was convicted for contempt of court because he kept breaking the fourth amendment, and bragging about it, after a court told him not to, is not the same as Chelsea Manning or some low level drug dealer whose sentence got commuted by Obama.
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Antifar posted...

erases all context.

That seems to be the conservative MO these days
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Don't. Don't even let him equivocate. We saw enough equivocation from the like of him when it was all ohhhhh but what about the counter protesters after Charlottesville. Mal_Fet isn't worth anything and debating that kind of shit is exactly what he wants.
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I love how some people are just now trying to separate Trump from conservatism in general. You can't change the fact that the vast majority of his supporters are what we would refer to as general conservatives. People who voted for John McCain in the previous election. All Trump is proving is they're more insane and extreme than some moderated want to admit.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

I love how some people are just now trying to separate Trump from conservatism in general. You can't change the fact that the vast majority of his supporters are what we would refer to as general conservatives. People who voted for John McCain in the previous election. All Trump is proving is they're more insane and extreme than some moderated want to admit.

Love these political hot takes from Mr. Lightbulb. The same level of insight I can get from staring in the toilet the morning after going on a Taco Bell bender.
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Lmfao someone who supports ANTIFA is crying about not caring about the constitution.



Lmfao ahhahahahhahaahahahha. Tc
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When you wink wink at racists on the fringe for 40 years with southern strategy, welfare queens, and other shit, and you exploit mass media to advance racism and conspiracy a la Hannity Alex Jones and Beck, eventually the racists are going to take over. The Republican party is a racist party. Racism is one of the prime pillars that holds it up, even more important now than small government.
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