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Jakyl25
09/09/17 12:28:52 PM
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On pace to win a Hugo
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Corrik
09/09/17 12:50:36 PM
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Anyways. I mentioned this before but... Trumps facebook post today leads me to believe he wants DACA passed into law as is.
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Peace___Frog
09/09/17 12:54:08 PM
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Aren't you the one who said it's dumb for us to try to glean any information regarding policy using his social media accounts as sources
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Corrik
09/09/17 12:56:23 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
Aren't you the one who said it's dumb for us to try to glean any information regarding policy using his social media accounts as sources

No.

I did say the following
Getting news from random twitter sources is great sourcing.
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Corrik
09/09/17 12:58:48 PM
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Maybe i did say that too.
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Jakyl25
09/09/17 1:00:03 PM
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Corrik posted...
I would say respect for knowledge of the law. I haven't watched the video though to see how she actually reacts during the situation.


Prints out the rule to show it to the cop, gets her supervisor on the phone to explain it to the cop, cop goes berserk
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Jakyl25
09/09/17 1:03:20 PM
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Corrik posted...
Anyways. I mentioned this before but... Trumps facebook post today leads me to believe he wants DACA passed into law as is.


I think this is true, and it in part explains why he's working with Dems now, because their debt ceiling plan forces the issue on Congressional DACA action

That doesn't excuse Trump imposing a 6 month window on it or else he'll ruin their lives if Congress doesn't get to work
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Not_an_Owl
09/09/17 1:08:11 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Anyways. I mentioned this before but... Trumps facebook post today leads me to believe he wants DACA passed into law as is.


I think this is true, and it in part explains why he's working with Dems now, because their debt ceiling plan forces the issue on Congressional DACA action

That doesn't excuse Trump imposing a 6 month window on it or else he'll ruin their lives if Congress doesn't get to work

It makes sense if you take the position Trump still thinks of himself as a New York businessman patterning himself on a New York mob boss. "Make a deal with us or we'll bust your kneecaps" works in those circles. It's just that in this case the kneecaps are 800,000 law-abiding, tax-paying people who would have nothing to go back to in their countries of birth.
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Kenri
09/09/17 2:12:18 PM
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Regaro in the last topic posted...
Somebody please explain how Corrik's opinions on this page at all jive with his legalism defense of slavery

He's a legalist of his own imaginary version of the law, sort of like all the "law and order" politicians who are criminals and support criminals constantly.

anyway if a cop is ordering to you assault someone, you should absolutely not acquiesce and that's a ridiculous thing to ask someone to do. but not in corrikland, i guess.
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Corrik
09/09/17 2:13:16 PM
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Kenri posted...
Regaro in the last topic posted...
Somebody please explain how Corrik's opinions on this page at all jive with his legalism defense of slavery

He's a legalist of his own imaginary version of the law, sort of like all the "law and order" politicians who are criminals and support criminals constantly.

anyway if a cop is ordering to you assault someone, you should absolutely not acquiesce and that's a ridiculous thing to ask someone to do. but not in corrikland, i guess.

This post happened. And, I am in lalaland lmfao.
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Kenri
09/09/17 2:33:23 PM
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Corrik posted...
This post happened. And, I am in lalaland lmfao.

By the way, since you're here:

I remember that female officer who was shot and killed because she was afraid to fire because of the backlash of possibly losing her job if she was wrong.

That should never happen.


Pretty sure this never did happen (though if you have a source I'll admit my mistake). I remember a story of a cop who got beat up because she didn't want to shoot to kill, but she survived and personally I think she deserves praise for her restraint there. It resolved a situation definitely not ideally but at least with both parties alive.
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Corrik
09/09/17 2:35:16 PM
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Kenri posted...
Corrik posted...
This post happened. And, I am in lalaland lmfao.

By the way, since you're here:

I remember that female officer who was shot and killed because she was afraid to fire because of the backlash of possibly losing her job if she was wrong.

That should never happen.


Pretty sure this never did happen (though if you have a source I'll admit my mistake). I remember a story of a cop who got beat up because she didn't want to shoot to kill, but she survived and personally I think she deserves praise for her restraint there. It resolved a situation definitely not ideally but at least with both parties alive.

Read a few posts further where I said I had the details wrong and she was beaten. Also, read where I said I wouldn't listen to a cop if he was telling me to murder or rape someone or so on.
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Kenri
09/09/17 2:47:55 PM
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Corrik posted...
Read a few posts further where I said I had the details wrong and she was beaten. Also, read where I said I wouldn't listen to a cop if he was telling me to murder or rape someone or so on.

Oh I dunno how I missed that, but I'll stand by my point that that was a better resolution to the situation than someone dying.

Anyway drawing someone's blood without their consent is assault, and you've already made your position clear on that one.
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Corrik
09/09/17 2:51:23 PM
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Kenri posted...
Corrik posted...
Read a few posts further where I said I had the details wrong and she was beaten. Also, read where I said I wouldn't listen to a cop if he was telling me to murder or rape someone or so on.

Oh I dunno how I missed that, but I'll stand by my point that that was a better resolution to the situation than someone dying.

Anyway drawing someone's blood without their consent is assault, and you've already made your position clear on that one.

Lol what
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HaRRicH
09/09/17 3:16:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/GeeDee215/status/906565917060018179

Good thread here. Ruby Bridges was the first black child to be allowed into an all-white school in Louisiana; she had a famous painting about her that I don't want to post in case GamFAQs doesn't take kindly to certain words even in art. She also turned 63 yesterday -- I imagine many of us have parents older than her.

The above thread talks about how a lot of the sacrifices being made with desegregating had to come at the expense of the black community AND how the white community went on to later separate itself anyway.
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 3:20:22 PM
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It's been a while since I've studied up on it but...

Wouldn't the nurse be violating HIPPA if she allowed the cop to take her patient's blood, if the cop didn't have a warrant?


Even if that's not the case, submitting to the police when they're in the wrong? Saying "Just let them do this wrong thing, the courts will back you up." seems less like supporting the police, and more like bending the knee. I mean yeah if the police are arresting you and you know you didn't do anything, don't get yourself killed resisting.... but you have a legal right to say 'no' to the police.

Being punished for exercising that right.... is that much different from servitude?
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HaRRicH
09/09/17 3:39:23 PM
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I don't think the nurse did anything wrong in that video. Are you guys saying she has the right to resist in that moment of arrest even more than she already did though?
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Kenri
09/09/17 3:43:49 PM
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Corrik posted...
Lol what

what part are you confused about

it's really weird how you seem to just get randomly illiterate in regard to certain posts


HaRRicH posted...
I don't think the nurse did anything wrong in that video. Are you guys saying she has the right to resist in that moment of arrest even more than she already did though?

Well, in theory that's what hospital security should have been for. That's why the hospital had to issue an apology for them not intervening.
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SgtSphynx
09/09/17 3:53:05 PM
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Dark Young Link posted...
Wouldn't the nurse be violating HIPPA if she allowed the cop to take her patient's blood, if the cop didn't have a warrant?

As I understand it, yes, she would have violated HIPPA had she allowed the blood to be drawn
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 4:00:09 PM
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HaRRicH posted...
I don't think the nurse did anything wrong in that video.


Nor do I. What I meant was "Don't get yourself killed" when it comes to resisting. I don't think the nurse was in any serious danger though, too many witnesses, too sympathetic a person.


But that's the thing, there's always that fear of getting killed because you said 'no' to a police officer, and they'll more than likely get away with it because God forbid the same laws apply to them as they do you or me.
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 4:14:30 PM
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SgtSphynx posted...
Dark Young Link posted...
Wouldn't the nurse be violating HIPPA if she allowed the cop to take her patient's blood, if the cop didn't have a warrant?

As I understand it, yes, she would have violated HIPPA had she allowed the blood to be drawn


Okay yeah, so if she had absolutely no spine and just "complied" blindly, she would have probably been fired(HIPPA violations get taken pretty damn seriously), and the courts more than likely don't give a fuck about her.

Instead, she refused to do that, and the officer arrested her...essentially as a form of intimidation.
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Samurai7
09/09/17 4:30:21 PM
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Corrik is essentially saying we shouldn't have the 4th amendment.
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Corrik
09/09/17 4:31:07 PM
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Kenri posted...
Corrik posted...
Lol what

what part are you confused about

it's really weird how you seem to just get randomly illiterate in regard to certain posts


HaRRicH posted...
I don't think the nurse did anything wrong in that video. Are you guys saying she has the right to resist in that moment of arrest even more than she already did though?

Well, in theory that's what hospital security should have been for. That's why the hospital had to issue an apology for them not intervening.

Are you saying drawing blood is assault?
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 4:33:00 PM
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I'd call it theft if it was taken without my permission.
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Corrik
09/09/17 4:36:45 PM
#25:


Dark Young Link posted...
I'd call it theft if it was taken without my permission.

So when they drew his blood upon entering the hospital while unconscious, the hospital staff both assaulted him and robbed him?

Should we throw rape in there too if they undressed him to put him in a hospital gown?

Is this a real conversation?
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MoogleKupo141
09/09/17 4:41:00 PM
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society has decided there's some implied consent to these things when it's medically necessary to save your life, but outside that specific context it would totally be assault to draw someone's blood without their permission


you'd probably be upset at me if I walked up to you and shoved a needle in your arm for fun
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 4:41:12 PM
#27:


Corrik posted...
So when they drew his blood upon entering the hospital while unconscious, the hospital staff both assaulted him and robbed him?

Should we throw rape in there too if they undressed him to put him in a hospital gown?

Is this a real conversation?


My fault for the wording.

No obviously, the hospital wasn't in the wrong for doing things to save that person's life. But some random jackass saying "I want a sample of this man's blood"? Nah, fuck him. Get a warrant or fuck off.



(Also I'd love if you address the HIPPA violation you appear to think the nurse should have committed)
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Corrik
09/09/17 4:46:27 PM
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Dark Young Link posted...
Corrik posted...
So when they drew his blood upon entering the hospital while unconscious, the hospital staff both assaulted him and robbed him?

Should we throw rape in there too if they undressed him to put him in a hospital gown?

Is this a real conversation?


My fault for the wording.

No obviously, the hospital wasn't in the wrong for doing things to save that person's life. But some random jackass saying "I want a sample of this man's blood"? Nah, fuck him. Get a warrant or fuck off.



(Also I'd love if you address the HIPPA violation you appear to think the nurse should have committed)

I already told you what I would have done and what I would have expected her to do. She is not going to get fired for following an officers orders while protesting it. If she would, she would be swimming in money from that lawsuit.

Swimmminggg.

(I am not sure that actually is a hippa violation either but I will just assume it is for arguments sake)
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redrocket_pub
09/09/17 4:48:56 PM
#29:


Why is anyone even engaging a person who pretends to not understand the moral and legal differences between emergency medical care and what that cop was trying to pull?
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Corrik
09/09/17 4:49:03 PM
#30:


What it comes down to is...

Officers have a way they are supposed to handle cases like this.

A new law went into effect that altered this process.

The officers were not trained on the new law and thus were operating under the older law.

Nurse brought up new law.

Officers didn't know about it and so assumed it was wrong.

Confusion happened.


I mean, the officer is wrong cuz the body cams apparently told him to let it go and not worry about it before he arrested her.

However, a lot of this situation is from improperly training law enforcement on new laws.
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Corrik
09/09/17 4:50:32 PM
#31:


redrocket_pub posted...
Why is anyone even engaging a person who pretends to not understand the moral and legal differences between emergency medical care and what that cop was trying to pull?

It is funny how you say stuff like this while Kenri literally just said drawing someone's blood is assault and that it is better a cop was beaten and could have been killed instead of use force to stop a criminal.
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HaRRicH
09/09/17 5:03:14 PM
#32:


Corrik posted...
What it comes down to is...

Officers have a way they are supposed to handle cases like this.

A new law went into effect that altered this process.

The officers were not trained on the new law and thus were operating under the older law.

Nurse brought up new law.

Officers didn't know about it and so assumed it was wrong.

Confusion happened.


This is relevant:

https://twitter.com/obarcala/status/903986410352513024

Down the thread, it says;

Also, the Supreme Court decision holding it unconstitutional to draw blood w/o consent or warrant came down last year. The cop...

Is a trained phlebotomist in the police blood draw unit. There is *no way* he was unaware of a SCOTUS case that directly controlled his work

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Corrik
09/09/17 5:06:46 PM
#33:


HaRRicH posted...
Corrik posted...
What it comes down to is...

Officers have a way they are supposed to handle cases like this.

A new law went into effect that altered this process.

The officers were not trained on the new law and thus were operating under the older law.

Nurse brought up new law.

Officers didn't know about it and so assumed it was wrong.

Confusion happened.


This is relevant:

https://twitter.com/obarcala/status/903986410352513024

Down the thread, it says;

Also, the Supreme Court decision holding it unconstitutional to draw blood w/o consent or warrant came down last year. The cop...

Is a trained phlebotomist in the police blood draw unit. There is *no way* he was unaware of a SCOTUS case that directly controlled his work

Or he was unaware (apparently he was part time or some shit) and its even sadder. Lol.

Either way the cop fucked up and its on the body cams.
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Kenri
09/09/17 5:07:50 PM
#34:


I like the idea of living in Corrikland where I could literally just go and stab someone and take their blood and they'd be like "wow this sucks i wish there was a legal recourse for it"
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 5:08:32 PM
#35:


If he was "unaware" then he should just flatout be fired on the spot. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse", is it?
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Corrik
09/09/17 5:09:11 PM
#36:


Kenri posted...
I like the idea of living in Corrikland where I could literally just go and stab someone and take their blood and they'd be like "wow this sucks i wish there was a legal recourse for it"

Now is calling drawing blood in a hospital stabbing someone. Wild.
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Corrik
09/09/17 5:10:06 PM
#37:


Dark Young Link posted...
If he was "unaware" then he should just flatout be fired on the spot. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse", is it?

I don't know his situation so I can't attempt to justify it. I do know that he messed up and if was unaware of the laws that his supervisors should have made him aware of the law when it went into effect.
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 5:16:12 PM
#38:


Well technically drawing blood requires stabbing someone with a needle....



Also you say you "can't attempt to justify" the cop's actions... yet you pretty much are justifying it when you said the nurse "should have complied" even if she was 100% right not to. All based on the faith of the courts maybe throwing out the so called evidence taken.


Answer me this Corrik. What is the benefit of complying in this situation? What does the nurse gain for obeying someone lawfully in the wrong?
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redrocket_pub
09/09/17 5:18:16 PM
#39:


redrocket_pub posted...
Why is anyone even engaging a person who pretends to not understand the moral and legal differences between emergency medical care and what that cop was trying to pull?

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Corrik
09/09/17 5:18:46 PM
#40:


Dark Young Link posted...
Well technically drawing blood requires stabbing someone with a needle....



Also you say you "can't attempt to justify" the cop's actions... yet you pretty much are justifying it when you said the nurse "should have complied" even if she was 100% right not to. All based on the faith of the courts maybe throwing out the so called evidence taken.


Answer me this Corrik. What is the benefit of complying in this situation? What does the nurse gain for obeying someone lawfully in the wrong?

Not justifying. I said she should have just complied and reported it.
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Kenri
09/09/17 5:19:09 PM
#41:


Corrik posted...
Kenri posted...
I like the idea of living in Corrikland where I could literally just go and stab someone and take their blood and they'd be like "wow this sucks i wish there was a legal recourse for it"

Now is calling drawing blood in a hospital stabbing someone. Wild.

for whatever it's worth if someone could take my blood without breaking the skin i'd probably be too impressed to be upset
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Corrik
09/09/17 5:20:52 PM
#42:


Kenri posted...
Corrik posted...
Kenri posted...
I like the idea of living in Corrikland where I could literally just go and stab someone and take their blood and they'd be like "wow this sucks i wish there was a legal recourse for it"

Now is calling drawing blood in a hospital stabbing someone. Wild.

for whatever it's worth if someone could take my blood without breaking the skin i'd probably be too impressed to be upset

Remember you are filing assault for being stabbed and robbery charges if a hospital would draw your blood and you didn't tell them it was okay.
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 5:21:05 PM
#43:


Oh and the lawsuit you mentioned?

Yeah the patient could sue the hospital. So the nurse would be less "swimming in money" and more out of a job, and out of a license.
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Corrik
09/09/17 5:21:59 PM
#44:


Dark Young Link posted...
Oh and the lawsuit you mentioned?

Yeah the patient could sue the hospital. So the nurse would be less "swimming in money" and more out of a job, and out of a license.

Uhhh. She would be suing the police department.
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LapisLazuli
09/09/17 5:24:11 PM
#45:


redrocket_pub posted...
Why is anyone even engaging a person who pretends to not understand the moral and legal differences between emergency medical care and what that cop was trying to pull?


I really don't know. Corrik has shown time and time again that he is not competant or mature enough to actually have these conversations, and regularly twists words and ignores comments to his convinience.
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 5:25:18 PM
#46:


Corrik posted...

Uhhh. She would be suing the police department.


I'd sue both if I was the patient. The cops for illegally obtaining my blood, and the nurse for allowing it to happen when she legally wasn't forced to.


Of course your argument so far is ultimately showing a very unfortunate, mercenary side to you.
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Kenri
09/09/17 5:26:09 PM
#47:


Corrik posted...
Remember you are filing assault for being stabbed and robbery charges if a hospital would draw your blood and you didn't tell them it was okay.

yeah if i'm in a hospital and a random person comes in and takes my blood i'm definitely filing something, you're right

not sure why this is weird. a hospital can amputate a leg in some situations also, that doesn't mean if i'm in a hospital literally anyone can just come and amputate my leg. maybe you're confusing hospitals with 2013 dystopian horror film The Purge?
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Corrik
09/09/17 5:27:06 PM
#48:


Kenri posted...
Corrik posted...
Remember you are filing assault for being stabbed and robbery charges if a hospital would draw your blood and you didn't tell them it was okay.

yeah if i'm in a hospital and a random person comes in and takes my blood i'm definitely filing something, you're right

not sure why this is weird. a hospital can amputate a leg in some situations also, that doesn't mean if i'm in a hospital literally anyone can just come and amputate my leg. maybe you're confusing hospitals with 2013 dystopian horror film The Purge?

Lol
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Corrik
09/09/17 5:28:27 PM
#49:


Dark Young Link posted...
Corrik posted...

Uhhh. She would be suing the police department.


I'd sue both if I was the patient. The cops for illegally obtaining my blood, and the nurse for allowing it to happen when she legally wasn't forced to.


Of course your argument so far is ultimately showing a very unfortunate, mercenary side to you.

I find it highly unlikely the cop is going to sue his own workplace, especially for trying to clear him of any wrongdoing.

But, I guess crazier things have happened in America alas.
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Dark Young Link
09/09/17 5:29:37 PM
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He'd be swimming in money, wouldn't he?
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