Poll of the Day > 22 y/o Kid who RAPED a Girl is now in a COLLEGE TEXTBOOK with his FACE in it!!!

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mrduckbear
09/13/17 10:48:33 PM
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Do you think Brock deserves to have his life ruined?


22 y/o Brock Turner who escaped a lengthy prison sentence and served only 3 months in bars for RAPING an UNCONSCIOUS girl may have had this behind him..but now his reputation will forever be immoralized as his MUGSHOT is in a NEW college law textbook!!

His face appears next to the definition of "Rape" in Introduction to Criminal Justice 101 and a brief description of his sensational arrest, conviction and sentencing is provided beneath it

It says "Brock Turner, a Stanford student who raped and assaulted an unconscious female college student behind a dumpster at a frat party, was recently released from jail and serving only 3 months. Some are shocked at how short this sentence is. Others who are familiar with the way sexual violence has been handled in the criminal system are shocked that he was found guilty and served any time at all. What do you think?" authors Callie Marie Rennison and Mary Dodge go on.

Brock was never convicted of rape but found guilty of 3 counts of felony sexual assault. He was arrested after being seen penetrating a drunk, unconscious girl with his fingers behind a dumpster in California.

The star swimmer was initially indicted with 2 counts of rape, 2 counts of felony sexual assault and one count of attempted rape..he denied all of them.

The rape charges were dropped in March 2016

He could have been sent up to 14 years in prison but instead got 6 months imprisonment in jail and 3 years probation...

Brock's Dad further caused outraged after he begged the judge to spare his son jail and said it was a steep price to pay for "20 minutes of action. His life will never be the one that he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve"

Judge Aaron Persky listened and gave him a very lenient sentence and he too was called out on his handling of the case as he said it was his duty to give first time offenders a LENIENT sentence

Do you think this kid deserves to have his life ruined?.

Brock - Rapist now in College Textbook

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443B869300000578-4880366-image-m-34_1505310411474.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443BB7DA00000578-4880366-image-m-38_1505310642943.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443BBBC200000578-4880366-image-a-40_1505310693882.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443BC32100000578-4880366-image-a-41_1505310981640.jpg

Girl who took the picture -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443BD48A00000578-4880366-image-a-42_1505311138127.jpg

Callie Marie Rennison - Author

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443BB7E000000578-4880366-image-a-39_1505310655705.jpg

Judge Idiot -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/15/443BDA0100000578-4880366-image-a-45_1505311235170.jpg
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jayj420
09/13/17 10:50:09 PM
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I mean rape sucks ya kno
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VeeVees
09/13/17 10:52:34 PM
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he should've been executed
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Zeus
09/13/17 10:52:46 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
His face appears next to the definition of "Rape" in Introduction to Criminal Justice 101 and a brief description of his sensational arrest, conviction and sentencing is provided beneath it

It says "Brock Turner, a Stanford student who raped and assaulted an unconscious female college student behind a dumpster at a frat party, was recently released from jail and serving only 3 months. Some are shocked at how short this sentence is. Others who are familiar with the way sexual violence has been handled in the criminal system are shocked that he was found guilty and served any time at all. What do you think?" authors Callie Marie Rennison and Mary Dodge go on.

Brock was never convicted of rape but found guilty of 3 counts of felony sexual assault. He was arrested after being seen penetrating a drunk, unconscious girl with his fingers behind a dumpster in California.


So.... libel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvHaRGtZXE

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dedbus
09/13/17 11:37:19 PM
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So he wasn't convicted and they still called him a rapist in a law text book. Looks like the only confirmed rape is going to be those textbook prices for students.
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RIP_Supa
09/13/17 11:40:31 PM
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Wrong

Obviously what he did is just as wrong but if you have to think about it, 2 wrongs don't make a right
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Zeus
09/13/17 11:52:03 PM
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dedbus posted...
So he wasn't convicted and they still called him a rapist in a law text book. Looks like the only confirmed rape is going to be those textbook prices for students.


Well, depends on what the libel suit finds. Technically the bar for evidence in libel is less than that of a criminal matter so he could effectively be found guilty by decision there.
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Krow_Incarnate
09/14/17 12:05:31 AM
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They were both wasted and made dumb decisions.

But of course, witch-hunt society doesn't care about that.
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Lightning Bolt
09/14/17 12:46:06 AM
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That's so unprofessional ergh.
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fishy071
09/14/17 1:39:50 AM
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His time in jail was too short. His punishment should have been heavier, such as longer time in prison, high fines, and paying for the victim's support and services.
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Zeus
09/14/17 1:42:50 AM
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Lightning Bolt posted...
That's so unprofessional ergh.


They do that nonsense for headlines and to make a name for themselves.

fishy071 posted...
His time in jail was too short. His punishment should have been heavier, such as longer time in prison, high fines, and paying for the victim's support and services.


lolwut? She's suffered more trauma for the nonsense afterward than anything that happened while both were drunk.
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Lil69Leo
09/14/17 1:52:35 AM
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dedbus posted...
So he wasn't convicted and they still called him a rapist in a law text book. Looks like the only confirmed rape is going to be those textbook prices for students.


Because he was rich and white. He got away with it.
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Melon_Master
09/14/17 1:58:57 AM
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Zeus posted...
lolwut? She's suffered more trauma for the nonsense afterward than anything that happened while both were drunk.

Zeus, I understand you constantly overassess your opinions value here, but shut up when you're deciding what is and is not, a heavier burden for a rape victim.
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Yellow
09/14/17 1:59:28 AM
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I wonder if there's anyone itt saying that fingering an unconscious person you found at a party isn't sexual assault

Krow_Incarnate posted...
They were both wasted and made dumb decisions.

But of course, witch-hunt society doesn't care about that.

Bam!
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Krow_Incarnate
09/14/17 7:03:49 AM
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I didn't say it wasn't sexual assault.

I'm saying that maybe it's not a great idea to get passed-out drunk around 20 or 30 other drunk people you may or may not know and think you can trust.

But hey, college kids goin' to college.
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OneTimeBen
09/14/17 8:07:53 AM
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Yes he deserves his life ruined. But I doubt his face is in the book under "rape".
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wwinterj25
09/14/17 9:27:44 AM
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mrduckbear posted...
Do you think Brock deserves to have his life ruined?

Yep just has he has ruined the life of his victim.
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OneTimeBen
09/14/17 10:14:55 AM
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adjl posted...
Krow_Incarnate posted...
I'm saying that maybe it's not a great idea to get passed-out drunk around 20 or 30 other drunk people you may or may not know and think you can trust.


How to drink safely at a college party:

Step 1: Identify all rapists present
Step 2: Stab all rapists present
Step 3: Drink!
Step 4: Stop drinking before alcohol poisoning

Zeus posted...
lolwut? She's suffered more trauma for the nonsense afterward than anything that happened while both were drunk.


Zeus, I know you have trouble containing your thinly-veiled misogyny, but go fuck yourself. You do not get to decide how traumatic a rape victim finds their rape. Ever. This is not negotiable.
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Krow_Incarnate
09/14/17 12:08:27 PM
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adjl posted...
Krow_Incarnate posted...
I'm saying that maybe it's not a great idea to get passed-out drunk around 20 or 30 other drunk people you may or may not know and think you can trust.


How to drink safely at a college party:

Step 1: Identify all rapists present
Step 2: Stab all rapists present
Step 3: Drink!
Step 4: Stop drinking before alcohol poisoning

Or you know, limit your actual intake and don't get blackout drunk?

But okay, robot. Clearly every aspect of college culture is worth defending.
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Lightning Bolt
09/14/17 12:14:10 PM
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adjl posted...
How to drink safely at a college party:

Step 1: Identify all rapists present

You're gonna need to break that bit down a little. I'm a fan of avoiding rapists, but it's hard to tell the difference given how similar their fashion is to ours.
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dioxxys
09/14/17 12:18:46 PM
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Lil69Leo posted...
dedbus posted...
So he wasn't convicted and they still called him a rapist in a law text book. Looks like the only confirmed rape is going to be those textbook prices for students.


Because he was rich and white. He got away with it.

hmm wunder which of these two factors had more to do with it....
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VeeVees
09/14/17 12:32:54 PM
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rich, easily
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Questionmarktarius
09/14/17 12:37:33 PM
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Criminal trials are public.
This is deep into "fair, next" territory.
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Blightzkrieg
09/14/17 12:49:40 PM
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VeeVees posted...
rich, easily

Possibly, but it's worth noting there's a strong correlation between race and severity of sentencing.
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bulbinking
09/14/17 12:51:39 PM
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Regardless of how you feel about the case, the wording used is very unprofessional and begs the question about our justice system, which isn't surprising given how modern universities are subversion camps against western culture and society as a whole.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/13/14/443BB7DA00000578-4880366-image-m-38_1505310642943.jpg

Isn't this for college? Why does it look like a middle-school textbook, and what does diversity and change have to do with understanding criminal law definitions and interactions?
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Melon_Master
09/14/17 12:56:01 PM
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bulbinking posted...
Isn't this for college? Why does it look like a middle-school textbook, and what does diversity and change have to do with understanding criminal law definitions and interactions?

Have you been to college in the last few decades?
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bulbinking
09/14/17 1:05:45 PM
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Melon_Master posted...
bulbinking posted...
Isn't this for college? Why does it look like a middle-school textbook, and what does diversity and change have to do with understanding criminal law definitions and interactions?

Have you been to college in the last few decades?


Considering even the MSM is reporting that most degrees aren't worth the 40k dollar piece of paper its printed on, no.

And with this article, I can see why.
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wwinterj25
09/14/17 1:22:44 PM
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Lightning Bolt posted...
adjl posted...
How to drink safely at a college party:

Step 1: Identify all rapists present

You're gonna need to break that bit down a little. I'm a fan of avoiding rapists, but it's hard to tell the difference given how similar their fashion is to ours.


Probably something todo with the eyes I bet!
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adjl
09/14/17 1:44:10 PM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
Or you know, limit your actual intake and don't get blackout drunk?


Generally a good idea, what with the whole avoiding alcohol poisoning thing, but not a prerequisite for not getting raped. That onus falls entirely on the rapists. It's very easy to not rape somebody.

Lightning Bolt posted...
You're gonna need to break that bit down a little. I'm a fan of avoiding rapists, but it's hard to tell the difference given how similar their fashion is to ours.


That is the most difficult step, yes. Sadly, I don't think there's a foolproof way for executing it yet. Science should get on that.

bulbinking posted...
And with this article, I can see why.


Calling a rapist a rapist devalues the degree associated with this book? I mean, there's no shortage of other reasons to question the value of a degree, that's for certain, but this specifically? A highly questionable claim, human.
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ASlaveObeys
09/14/17 1:57:16 PM
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The text actually very clearly states he was not convicted if rape. It is more of a group discussion topic.

Granted its not a very subtle jab at him being a rapist.
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dioxxys
09/14/17 3:14:03 PM
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I mean this is pretty much the textbook definition of rape and punishment was without a doubt deserved and should have been more severe.

Now what wouldnt have been rape was if they were both conscious and consented to sex even under the influence. I know some people like to lay it on the man for many cases when the woman just decides she regretted it the next day, which is wrong.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/14/17 3:25:50 PM
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dioxxys posted...
I mean this is pretty much the textbook definition of rape and punishment was without a doubt deserved and should have been more severe.

Now what wouldnt have been rape was if they were both conscious and consented to sex even under the influence. I know some people like to lay it on the man for many cases when the woman just decides she regretted it the next day, which is wrong.

P sure ya can't stay on topic fam.
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Zeus
09/14/17 3:38:14 PM
#34:


Lil69Leo posted...
dedbus posted...
So he wasn't convicted and they still called him a rapist in a law text book. Looks like the only confirmed rape is going to be those textbook prices for students.


Because he was rich and white. He got away with it.


Except he wasn't rich. This might surprise you, but not all white people are rich.

Yellow posted...
I wonder if there's anyone itt saying that fingering an unconscious person you found at a party isn't sexual assault


Apparently he didn't just "find" her and, according to his testimony, she was conscious at least part of the time. Unfortunately, the only two real testimonies from the incident itself come from heavily intoxicated persons and, since she allegedly passed out at one point, she was more heavily soused than him so her testimony is even less reliable. Meanwhile, the guys who grabbed Brock showed up after the fact.

wwinterj25 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
Do you think Brock deserves to have his life ruined?

Yep just has he has ruined the life of his victim.


Except her life is hardly ruined, the extent to which she was actually a victim is murky, and no matter what happened in that alley -- consensual or not -- he's got it far, far worse.

adjl posted...
Zeus, I know you have trouble containing your thinly-veiled misogyny, but go fuck yourself. You do not get to decide how traumatic a rape victim finds their rape. Ever. This is not negotiable.


I know you don't even bother concealing your SJW white knight misandrist qualities, but go fuck yourself in general. While trauma is personal, it's silly to ever pretend that there are no benchmarks. More broadly speaking, you'd sooner kill a man -- by your own admission earlier the same post -- than hear his side of the story. You'd give the Rolling Stone a run for their money.

Questionmarktarius posted...
Criminal trials are public.
This is deep into "fair, next" territory.


Except he wasn't convicted of rape. Given that it's a legal textbook, actually observing legal definitions should be important.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/14/17 3:44:25 PM
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Zeus posted...
Except her life is hardly ruined, the extent to which she was actually a victim is murky, and no matter what happened in that alley -- consensual or not -- he's got it far, far worse.

You're a gaping asshole fam.
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Zeus
09/14/17 3:46:26 PM
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adjl posted...
Generally a good idea, what with the whole avoiding alcohol poisoning thing, but not a prerequisite for not getting raped. That onus falls entirely on the rapists. It's very easy to not rape somebody.


Given that the definition of rape that you and that "that's what she said!" brand of male feminists have pushed has turned to consent AFTER the fact, it's a somewhat unreasonable standard.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/

And, broadly speaking, whenever alcohol is involved, decision-making tends to get murky which is why alcohol needs much stronger restrictions.
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Veemon_X
09/14/17 4:38:42 PM
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Seeing as how mrduckbear shared this with us, I want to know what his opinion is.
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Mead
09/14/17 4:41:47 PM
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dioxxys posted...
I mean this is pretty much the textbook definition of rape and punishment was without a doubt deserved and should have been more severe.

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blueyc22
09/14/17 5:05:16 PM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
I didn't say it wasn't sexual assault.

I'm saying that maybe it's not a great idea to get passed-out drunk around 20 or 30 other drunk people you may or may not know and think you can trust.

But hey, college kids goin' to college.



Lets start telling every boy and man he shouldn't get drunk around women or go near women who are drinking.....cuz you know, his inner rapist might just rape someone. How about we scream that warning rather than always telling the victim how she was supposed to prevent it.
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wwinterj25
09/14/17 5:22:12 PM
#40:


Zeus posted...
no matter what happened in that alley -- consensual or not -- he's got it far, far worse.


Interesting that you think a rape victim doesn't have it worse than a rapist. You're completely wrong but it's still interesting none the less.
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adjl
09/14/17 7:24:45 PM
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Zeus posted...
Except her life is hardly ruined,


I mean, she might recover after extensive PTSD treatment and be able to live a reasonably healthy life, but that's going to suck.

Zeus posted...
the extent to which she was actually a victim is murky,


One nurse who administered a Sexual Assault Response Team examination at the hospital determined that she had experienced "significant trauma" (physical injury or bruising) including "penetrating trauma." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner#Incident_details)

Anyone with "penetrating trauma" is a victim. Whether they're a victim of rape or of a very unfortunate accident isn't guaranteed, but generally speaking, a woman that's capable of consenting will stop her partner before getting to that point. There's nothing murky about that.

Zeus posted...
Unfortunately, the only two real testimonies from the incident itself come from heavily intoxicated persons and, since she allegedly passed out at one point, she was more heavily soused than him so her testimony is even less reliable.


He testified that he remembered the events of the night, she testified that she remembered nothing. That's an unarguable "he shouldn't have been having sex with her," however reliable the details of the testimony may be.

Zeus posted...
Meanwhile, the guys who grabbed Brock showed up after the fact.


And found him on top of an unconscious girl. That's pretty hard to misconstrue (and would also qualify as "during the fact").

Zeus posted...
While trauma is personal, it's silly to ever pretend that there are no benchmarks.


Sure, there are benchmarks, but you don't get to decide how closely she matches them. Ever. This is not negotiable, regardless of the rape victim's circumstances.

Zeus posted...
More broadly speaking, you'd sooner kill a man -- by your own admission earlier the same post -- than hear his side of the story


What story? I'm talking about some magical way of telling rapists from people that aren't worthless pieces of garbage. I would have thought it was obvious that I was being slightly facetious, given the absurd oversimplification of a very complex sociocultural issue.

Zeus posted...
Given that the definition of rape that you and that "that's what she said!" brand of male feminists have pushed has turned to consent AFTER the fact, it's a somewhat unreasonable standard.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/


I know you've seen the statistic on what percentage of sexual assault accusations turn out to be false, so I'll let you bring it out and debunk your own point. You know as well as I do that there are far, FAR more sexual assault victims that don't come forward than there are false accusations, despite the narrative you're trying to push. Yeah, false accusations suck, but that's true of any crime. That's not a reason to stop taking sexual assault seriously, or to stop pushing for a cultural shift toward better understanding the subtle nuances of consent.

I'll say it again: It's very easy to not rape somebody. I'll clarify: It's very easy to make sure that your sexual partner is completely okay with what you're doing. If you're not comfortable having that conversation with them, then you aren't mature enough to be having sex in the first place. Period.
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Mead
09/14/17 7:36:18 PM
#42:


JFC this board sometimes

Guy shoves his finger up some unconscious girl's hooha and you fellas feel he was victimized
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dioxxys
09/14/17 10:02:19 PM
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adjl posted...
I'll say it again: It's very easy to not rape somebody. I'll clarify: It's very easy to make sure that your sexual partner is completely okay with what you're doing. If you're not comfortable having that conversation with them, then you aren't mature enough to be having sex in the first place. Period.

You say that as if its one partys obligation. Its just as easy for one party to say no as it is for one party to ask. Also, we as humans communicate through more then just verbal communication. We also communication also through body language as well. If all the signs say your partner is raring to go, then go for it, unless stated otherwise. Pretty simple.
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Lil69Leo
09/14/17 10:07:21 PM
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So Zeus is a rapist sympathizer and neonazi sympathizer. Wonderful.
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Lobomoon
09/14/17 10:11:22 PM
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So if you have sex with a woman and she falls asleep - can she claim rape?
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Lil69Leo
09/14/17 10:15:46 PM
#46:


Lobomoon posted...
So if you have sex with a woman and she falls asleep - can she claim rape?


Seriously?
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Mead
09/14/17 10:18:56 PM
#47:


Lobomoon posted...
So if you have sex with a woman and she falls asleep - can she claim rape?


As a rule just sex with awake women to be safe
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wwinterj25
09/14/17 10:22:17 PM
#48:


Lobomoon posted...
So if you have sex with a woman and she falls asleep - can she claim rape?

Yep. As when she or even he is sleeping they are not giving consent.
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Lobomoon
09/14/17 10:35:36 PM
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What about drunk women? Do I need to breath-test them? What's the allowable limit?
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Mead
09/14/17 10:37:18 PM
#50:


Lobomoon posted...
What about drunk women? Do I need to breath-test them? What's the allowable limit?


Gotta use your best judgement

If they seem too drunk run away
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wwinterj25
09/14/17 10:38:50 PM
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Lobomoon posted...
What about drunk women? Do I need to breath-test them? What's the allowable limit?

Providing they are awake and allow it being drunk isn't a problem. If however they pass out at any point you stop otherwise it's rape.
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