Board 8 > ace attorney topic: the return (spoilers for 1-5, AAI1-2)

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we've had a few topics that have bled over into deeper discussions lately so I think a catch-all would be good for a couple of weeks until it purges.

as always, be sure to mark spoilers for Layton and the DGS games! Layton should probably be included but we've run into issues with that before so let's tread lightly there, at least for this topic.

I got to thinking today.. what cases would be considered "mainline"? I'd go with:

(bold - for sure)
(not bold - at least somewhat debatable)

Fey trilogy: 1-1 -> 1-2 -> 1-3 -> 1-4 -> 1-5 -> 2-2 -> 2-4 -> 3-1 -> 3-4 -> 3-5

Apollo trilogy: 4-1 -> 4-4 -> 5-1 -> 5-4 -> 5-5 -> 6-1 -> 6-3 -> 6-5

Edgeworth.. duology?: 1-3 -> 1-4 -> 1-5 -> 2-2 -> 2-3 -> 2-4 -> 2-5

AAI is tough. on the right day, I might just throw all of AAI1 out and just say AAI2 is all that matters.
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Tag

Still haven't played SoJ.
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I can tell this topic is about Ace Attorney
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Also I thought for a second you meant we were free to talk about Professor Layton then I remembered there was the crossover
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That crossover was pretty bad tbqh
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That DGS2 youtube fansub is up to the start of case 2 now, though it hasn't updated for about a month (apparently due to IRL issues).

They have a twitter for updates (https://twitter.com/DGSSubsOfficial), but it also posts about new unsubbed videos and the latest of those spoil the case 4 victim in the embedded video description, so tread carefully
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I was looking into seeing how a translation might be going the other day. looked like case 1 was out in the wild but nothing else? kinda surprised that hasn't progressed further. I think AAI2 had a full translation release by now.
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transience posted...

I was looking into seeing how a translation might be going the other day. looked like case 1 was out in the wild but nothing else? kinda surprised that hasn't progressed further. I think AAI2 had a full translation release by now.

there's a patch being worked on for DGS2? the only one I was aware of was the one for the first DGS that only had the first case done so far (or maybe that's the one you're referring to, idk)
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er, yeah, DGS1. whatever! all the same to me so far!
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spoilers for 1-6, you mean?
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yes
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transience posted...

Fey trilogy: 1-1 -> 1-2 -> 1-3 -> 1-4 -> 1-5 -> 2-2 -> 2-4 -> 3-1 -> 3-4 -> 3-5

Apollo trilogy: 4-1 -> 4-4 -> 5-1 -> 5-4 -> 5-5 -> 6-1 -> 6-3 -> 6-5

Edgeworth.. duology?: 1-3 -> 1-4 -> 1-5 -> 2-2 -> 2-3 -> 2-4 -> 2-5

I'd argue 5-2 and 6-2 both kinda matter for Apollo, but it's borderline. I don't think I'd consider E2-2 a big deal for Edgeworth either, not compared to the others anyway.
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Edgeworth 2-3 absolutely should be in bold. I'd argue that 5-5 should be bold, but I'm not sure if I can say that for 5-4. I'd also say 6-1 isn't necessarily bold.

Also, how are we defining "mainline"? Is it mainly built towards the main characters of Phoenix, Apollo, and Edgeworth? Or is it towards the main story being told by the games?
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Few questions

Does anyone know where we stand with the DGS1 translation? last I heard was 3 months ago that they released episode 1
Did anything change?

What about DGS2? is a fan translation considered?

Based on "trends" if there are any, when can we expect AA7 announcement?

Yeah I want a new game badly..
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I was defining it as something that advanced the story of the main characters. the OT is really about the Feys, which is why I'm not totally sure if 2-4 matters in the grand scheme of things. AA5 almost doesn't matter at all to anything, which is a little weird.

I think I'd unbold 1-1, now that I think about it. it's more tutorial than story critical.
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oh, and I only bolded E2-2 since it introduces Simon, Courtney, etc.
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transcience posted...

oh, and I only bolded E2-2 since it introduces Simon, Courtney, etc.

Eh, if we're giving cases importance because they introduce important characters, then we'd probably have to include every second case in the series because that's generally what they're for, except for AAI1, where it happens in case 3.
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Franziska and Pearl aren't that important in the grand scheme though. nor is 3-2 Godot, good as he is.
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I'd say Franziska is as important as Courtney, Sebastian, or Ray. Probably not as much as Simon, but E2-2 Simon isn't important at all if we're using that to exclude 3-2 Godot.
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all fair points - I'm not wed to that ranking or anything. the narrative of E2 revolves around those guys though. Fran and Pearl are basically sidelined in 2-4.
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then again, I'm not even convinced that 2-4 matters to the grand narrative! Phoenix goes right back to defending his clients blindly right after it.

edit: heck, AA6 Phoenix might be worse than 2-4 Phoenix
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Pearl is sidelined during trial segments in 2-4, but it's one of her biggest cases anyway because she's your investigation partner the whole time. She's your constant reminder of Maya's situation. Franziska has a handful of big moments in 2-4 despite not being in it that much, too. AAI1 and 2 have the advantage of an overarching narrative that the first two games (and AJ for some reason) don't really have.
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2-4 is probably more important for Edgeworth than it is for anyone because it defines who he is from that point forward. I'd give it a lot of importance for that alone.
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yeah that's fair. I think of the OT as the Fey storyline which he kinda doesn't factor into that heavily? 1-2 and 3-5 more than 2-4, anyway
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transcience posted...

I was defining it as something that advanced the story of the main characters. the OT is really about the Feys, which is why I'm not totally sure if 2-4 matters in the grand scheme of things. AA5 almost doesn't matter at all to anything, which is a little weird.

At the current point, Athena's more of a main character than Edgeworth, and AA5 is pretty important for her story.
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Edgeworth kinda sorta does factor into it because DL-6 is what kickstarted the whole thing, but it's more of an indirect role. We tend to think of DL-6 as Edgeworth's thing, but it does impact the Feys, too.
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for sure. Edgeworth is a central character, he just isn't usually the center of the plot.
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Nanis23 posted...

Based on "trends" if there are any, when can we expect AA7 announcement?

Yeah I want a new game badly..

There was already a rumor reported on by Kotaku that a new Ace Attorney game is coming out in last 2018 for the Switch and mobile. Even if it's true, I'm not sure when an official announcement would be made.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

Nanis23 posted...

Based on "trends" if there are any, when can we expect AA7 announcement?

Yeah I want a new game badly..

There was already a rumor reported on by Kotaku that a new Ace Attorney game is coming out in last 2018 for the Switch and mobile. Even if it's true, I'm not sure when an official announcement would be made.

Thing is, from what I remember, they announced the new games during TGS
So...we need to wait until September 2018..at least
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Layton vs Ace Attorney
Release: November 29, 2012 (Japan)

AA5
Announced: January 29, 2012 at Gyakuten Saiban 10th Anniversary Event
Release: July 25, 2013 (Japan)

DGS:
Release: July 9, 2015 (Japan)

AA6
Announced: September 1, 2015 in Famitsu
Release: June 9, 2016 (Japan)

DGS2
Release: August 3, 2017 (Japan)

Looking at that, late 2018 seems like a strange release date. New AA games have been getting releases in the middle of the year for quite a while now.
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How is 1-5 at all related to the Feys?
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yeah it's not, it's all Edgeworth
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1-5 might as well be considered canon only for Edgeworth since it doesn't really have an effect on anyone else, other than Ema existing in the current timeline.
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Ema is a good point. Ema's attachment to both Phoenix and Edgeworth are clearly established in 1-5.
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Ema has an attachment to all the attorneys at this point, but none of the other 1-5 stuff ever really matters again for anyone but Edgeworth. I'd be fine with just tossing it out entirely in terms of plot relevance, but my issues with that are well known at this point.
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disagree - I think a lot is made of Phoenix and Ema, especially when comparing it to AA4 Apollo.
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I think Ema herself actually downplays Phoenix's importance to her, which is kinda dumb.
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ema isn't even important in aa4+ games
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Eh, I'd give her a little more credit than that. They use her really well in AA6, I think. She's underutilized in AJ though despite building a good rapport with Apollo and Trucy (she only testifies like 2-3 times the whole game), and her cameos in AAI aren't that noteworthy.
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they use her well - i really enjoy her - but that version of her is essentially independent of the maya fey imitation from 1-5
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She hasn't really been a Maya clone since 1-5 (which was the right move).
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(Maya isn't even important outside of channeling others)
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She's important enough in 1-2, 1-4, 2-2, and 3-5 without the channeling she does that it's not a fair comparison to Ema.
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she's accused in each of those cases except 1-4, where she gets zapped! damn you maya
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And gets the decisive piece of evidence in the process!

Although in 2-2 and 3-5 it's why she's accused more than the simple fact that she's accused that gives Maya importance there.
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I would question both.. it's more her title than anything. Maya is next to nothing in 3-5 outside of defending Godot. 2-2.. yeah, she gets pretty owned there and doesn't really fight back.
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1-4, though, yeah that's her case, straight up.
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But the title is what the entire Fey plotline is about, and Maya's the one with the title. Being Morgan's target is plenty important.
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well, I think we're splitting hairs here, but I'm saying that it's not like Maya, the character, does anything all that notable in 3-5. she's mostly just a hostage to Dahlia who is the real star of that case.
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I'd argue being the final witness of the trilogy is pretty notable...!

I get what you're saying though. She's incapacitated for most of the case, so she doesn't have the opportunity to do much. I don't think that detracts from her importance to the case though, so I guess that's where we differ.

also Godot is the star of 3-5

and really Dahlia is a hostage to Mia and Maya; she just doesn't realize it
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