Board 8 > KP'S Top 40 Characters - Featuring Dante From The Devil May Cry Series

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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 9:51:14 PM
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It's been a super long time since I made one of these, and I'm starting to go into list-posting withdrawal, so let's fix that.

Peoples' tastes in game characters are fascinating to me. It's like looking at a photo album of parts of their life. People will fall in love with a character for a reason entirely specific to a certain point in their life, and then continue to love that character long after they reasonably should. Games work similarly but I think it's even more pronounced with characters. I can look at a character I took to when I was 10, recognize that I wouldn't give a crap about them if I experienced them for the first time right now, and then not care and continue to love them. It's fun to revisit those old friends, and equally as fun to celebrate the new ones that have affected you in recent times.

It probably goes without saying, but there will be some big-ass spoilers in this topic. I'll try to be vague when I can, but as a lot of what makes these characters memorable is tied to spoilers...yeeeah.

Also, the topic title isn't just a dumb joke. Dante's on this list. Where? Gotta read to find out!
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 9:51:55 PM
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And before we start the list proper, here's a list of Honorable Mentions, in no particular order:

Ness (Earthbound)
Nier (Nier)
2B (Nier Automata)
Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)
Maya Fay (Ace Attorney series)
Makoto Yuki (Persona 3)
Lyon (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)
Elincia (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Stocke (Radiant Historia)
Jowy Atreides (Suikoden II)
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Shonen_Bat
02/01/18 9:53:46 PM
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ZenOfThunder
02/01/18 9:56:34 PM
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:07:26 PM
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40. Urdnot Wrex (Mass Effect series)

"Shepard."
"Wrex."


It's difficult not to like Wrex. He has the perfect balance of being 'cool' and having more complex underlying motivations. Outside of Garrus, Wrex is probably Shepard's biggest consistent supporter throughout the series. He's barely connected to Shepard in any way through Mass Effect 1, but the bond of respect they form with each other is strangely touching. The whole "Shepard" "Wrex" thing, while kind of funny, is mostly memorable to me because it shows how little they need to communicate with each other to understand each other. A simple greeting is all they need to reaffirm their mutual respect.

Wrex is made vastly more interesting by his connection to the krogan genophage. You learn about the genetic plague wiping out his species from him, and Wrex's mixture of grim acceptance and unwavering determination to find a solution is what instantly made me care about the krogans' plight. And it's a good thing for them, because I'm gonna level with you - the krogans suck. Outside of a few exceptions, the stereotypes of them being aggressive warmongers are totally true. It's easy to see why the rest of the galaxy resorted to such horrible methods to keep them from swarming over everyone else. Wrex is what kept me invested in their plight long after I stopped caring about them as a whole.

It's not an exaggeration to say that Wrex single-handedly saves his species. Despite caring heavily about saving the krogans, he's willing to sacrifice the cure in Mass Effect 1 for the sake of the greater good of the galaxy. He continues to show that combination of intelligence and tough decision-making up until the end, where he becomes the leader of the krogans and leads them into a time of peace and prosperity (you know, assuming your Shepard isn't a heartless monster). In fact, the only way to get a good endings for the krogan is to cure the genophage AND make sure Wrex lives long enough to become their leader. Wrex is just that good.

It's a bit of a shame that he stops being a part member after ME1, but it also makes those future encounters with him that much more memorable. Wrex is good people. Uh...lizard people. Whatever.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:20:51 PM
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39. Morte (Planescape: Torment)

"Hey Chief, you okay? You playin' corpse or you puttin' the blinds on the Dusties? I thought you were a deader for sure."

Morte's weird. Might be the weirdest RPG party member I've ever encountered. He's a floating talking skull that never shuts up, makes bad jokes, annoys everyone around him, and most importantly, has an unwavering and unexplainable loyalty to the main character. No matter how much you abuse and insult Morte (assuming you're playing a jerk Nameless One), he never turns his back on you. This aspect of him only gets more mysterious when you find out that, when informing you of a message from your past life wrote down to be delivered to your current incarnation, he leaves off the last sentence of the message - "Don't trust the skull."

For most of the game you only get hints of Morte's involvement in the overarching plot, and the hints you get are always completely at odds with his goofy exterior. After a while you aren't even sure what he is, his claim of being a magical construct turning out to be a lie. It's only very late in the game where you fully learn that Morte's external personality hides deep feelings of guilt and regret due to his actions essentially causing the entire plot of the game. If your Nameless One doesn't help him overcome his issues and give Morte some peace then you're a bad person and I'm not sure we can be friends.

I think I would find Morte's jokes to be significantly more obnoxious than I was when I was younger, but considering that one of his special abilities is to annoy an enemy so much that they start acting stupid, that just means the writers were doing a good job. Planescape: Torment is a fantastically written game with many great characters, but out of all of The Nameless One's party members, Morte will always be the most memorable.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:37:23 PM
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38. Tali (Mass Effect series)

"Just so you know, I'm running a fever, I've got a nasty cough, and my sinuses are filled with something I can't even describe.
And it was totally worth it."


Wrex is probably a better character but fuck it, Tali will always be my favorite. She has the same deal Wrex does, single-handedly supporting an entire race of unlikable douchbags by being just that likable and sympathetic. Seriously is there a single quarian you don't end up fed up with by the end of the series? Tali's personal quest aboard the flotilla made me wonder if the Geth shouldn't have wiped them out.

In Mass Effect 1, Tali is a huge dork that's both in over her head and trying to fill her father's shoes. She alternates between gushing about her species' history and trying to prove that she is a valuable, mature member of the team. Quarians in the galaxy are treated like crap and she knows that she has to work twice as hard to gain the same respect someone else would get from producing the same results. Over the course of Mass Effect 1, Shepard can help her validate the worth of her pilgrimage, giving her the confidence she's worked toward all game.

Then Mass Effect 2 comes around and oh boy. Tali is put in charge of leading a squad for the first time and it goes...poorly, resulting in several deaths. It's not really her fault but it doesn't stop others - and especially Tali herself - from blaming her. Then the quarians put her in a kangaroo court and try to use her as a scapegoat for some dumb political reason (did I mention how much the quarians suck?). Shepard again comes to the rescue and tells off the quarians for being jerks, making Tali realize that her true home was on the Normandy. The bit where she changes her last name to reflect that is genuinely touching. By Mass Effect 3, she's become the quarian she always wanted to be - confident, in charge, and doing right by her people. And by then, she's totally earned it.
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 10:38:41 PM
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 10:39:30 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Seriously is there a single quarian you don't end up fed up with by the end of the series?


Kal'Reegar
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The Mana Sword
02/01/18 10:40:26 PM
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top 5 squad mates yes, though the quality dips pretty severely after 5!
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:41:59 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Seriously is there a single quarian you don't end up fed up with by the end of the series?


Kal'Reegar

Hmm...I'll allow it.

The Mana Sword posted...
top 5 squad mates yes, though the quality dips pretty severely after 5!

Tali
Wrex
Garrus
Mordin
Is there a 5th to care about

Actually, Mordin should be on the Honorable Mentions. Garrus too. Too many characters to try and remember.
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The Mana Sword
02/01/18 10:42:32 PM
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I like Thane for the 5th spot
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 10:47:51 PM
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1. Thane
2. Tali
3. Miranda
4. Garrus
5. Wrex
6. Mordin
7. Legion
8. Liara
9. Javik
10. Grunt

pretty solid top ten imhotbqh
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:47:56 PM
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Thane's not a bad 5th choice. Maybe Ashle- okay I couldn't say that one with a straight face.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:48:55 PM
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Legion's good. Liara manages to be boring even after becoming the Shadow Broker which is frankly impressive. Grunt? Get outta here. Javik is pretty cool but locked behind DLC which is really unfortunate.
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 10:49:50 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Grunt? Get outta here.


Grunt earned all the respect points in the galaxy from Mass Effect 3

KamikazePotato posted...
Javik is pretty cool but locked behind DLC which is really unfortunate.


yeah but why wouldn't you get him

he's worth every penny
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The Mana Sword
02/01/18 10:50:06 PM
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Jenkins was robbed

I admit I forgot Legion, so I guess it drops after 6. My mistake!
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:51:51 PM
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I actually did get Javik. Then I didn't take him for one mission and learned later that you learn a ton of lore and backstory if you do. Important lore locked behind DLC and chance! Come on!

Jenkins was too good for this universe.
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 10:53:43 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Then I didn't take him for one mission and learned later that you learn a ton of lore and backstory if you do. Important lore locked behind DLC and chance! Come on!


Ehhhhhhhh, a ton and "important" are exaggerations. That mission is definitely better if you bring Javik, but don't let people oversell you on that.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:56:18 PM
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37. Lee Everett (The Walking Dead)

"Keep that hair short."

The Walking Dead Telltale series is the story of Clementine's life and personal growth in a crap zombie-filled world. Personally, I never really cared about that, which is why Walking Dead as a game series essentially ended for me after the end of Season 1. Lee is what kept me invested in the game, and Lee is what I remember the most when I think back on it. The final scene of Season 1 will stay in my memories for a long time.

It's a bit hard to get a handle on Lee as a character considering you can play him so many different ways, but in a different sense, that shows the kind of person that Lee is. Lee is someone struggling with himself. He killed a man befoe the game even started (in a crime of passion, but yeah), and then the zombie apocalypse hits, and then he has to take care of this little girl he's never met before while dealing with the rest of the survivors and it never stops. Lee can be a lot of different people. He can be the idealist trying to leave his past behind and make the best out of an awful situation. He can be the stone-cold realist that punches a dude to death with his bare hands to make sure they never harm his crew ever again. Lee ends up being sympathetic and memorable no matter which path you take, an impressive feat of writing that most games with optional dialogue don't manage to pull off.

The one constant in Lee's personality is Clementine. Whether it's due to wanting to atone for his past crimes, or a simple case of paternal care, Lee is always there for Clementine. He protects her and teaches her about the world. The zombie apocalypse doesn't have much mercy for kids (as the game shows), and Lee knows that Clementine needs all the help she can get to survive. Lee's actions outside of Clementine also inform her development - no matter what you do, Clementine Will Remember That, even (especially) if it's you shanking a guy with a pitchfork. Their relationship is by far the highlight of the game. It also helps that Lee's actor is phenomenal and plays him really well. That's slightly important in a game that is more or less a 3D visual novel.

And seriously Clem. Keep that hair short.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 10:57:40 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Then I didn't take him for one mission and learned later that you learn a ton of lore and backstory if you do. Important lore locked behind DLC and chance! Come on!


Ehhhhhhhh, a ton and "important" are exaggerations. That mission is definitely better if you bring Javik, but don't let people oversell you on that.

I looked it up later, and while it's not important in the sense of 'the plot doesn't make sense without it', it did provide some context and cool information I really wish I'd had when playing ME3. Although a lot of that feeling is because ME3 doesn't have much in the way of engaging story content like the first two games did, it's pretty much a big war from start to finish.
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 10:59:45 PM
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:00:31 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
ME3 best game in the series

It's the #2 strongest game on GameFAQs according to the X-stats!
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 11:00:49 PM
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:07:34 PM
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Side note - refreshing your memory on a character's quotes when there's not a big wiki for them and youtube isn't cooperating is harder than I thought it would be!
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:26:45 PM
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36. Eleanor Hume (Tales of Berseria)

"The coward's path is not that of an exorcist! They may say, "I didn't know anything! So I can't be blamed!" I can't...I can't live like that!"

Most RPGs need contrast in their party members. Watching a group of conflicting personalities learn to work together and trust each other is something that never gets old. In that sense, Eleanor is the most important character in the party outside of the main character. She serves a foil to...basically everyone else. But while a lot of RPGs have one or two morally ambiguous members to serve as a contrast to the heroes, Eleanor is the only morally unambiguous character in a cast of almost-villains. She believes what she's doing is righteous and always strive to do the right thing, even at the cost of her own life. Eleanor butts heads constantly with the other party members, especially can't-crack-a-smile Velvet.

It's through that consistent inter-party conflict that Eleanor both grows significantly in a character and inspires growth in others. Watching the worldview that Eleanor was so sure of being torn down is...painful. It doesn't happen immediately, taking place over the course of many hours as each mantra she held dear is exposed for what it really is. It's a very realistic and gradual change of personality, shaped both by circumstance and self-introspection. Eleanor even acknowledges (to her own self-disgust) that even if she had discovered the truth eventually, if she wasn't traveling with Velvet and co then she would have turned a blind eye for the sake of keeping her flawed worldview intact.

All of that only makes it that much more satisfying when Eleanor finally comes to terms with everything - and ends up forming a pretty touching friendship with Velvet to boot. Despite all the physical and emotional pain, all that she had to sacrifice, and all that she left behind...at the end of Tales of Berseria, Eleanor is left standing tall.
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greengravy294
02/01/18 11:31:40 PM
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i really hope Ike gets two slots for radiant dawn and path of radiance

anyway tag
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NBIceman
02/01/18 11:33:39 PM
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The Berseria cast was so great. I absolutely loved Eleanor and she was still probably my fourth- or fifth-favorite out of the party members.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:35:05 PM
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35. Luca Blight (Suikoden II)

"It took hundreds to kill me but I killed humans by the thousands. I am sublime!!! I am the true face of evil!!!!"

Ah, old RPG translations and your excessive uses of exclamation points. Luca earned each and every one.

Luca Blight is the most effective villain I've ever encountered. He doesn't even get that much screentime but he makes incredible use of every second. The first thing he does is force a girl to grovel on the ground before mercilessly executing her - and it only gets worse from there! Luca is so gosh darn happy to be an irredeemable force of evil. There is not a hint of complexity in Luca's actions. He hates what he hates and wants to see it burn. Throw in an incredibly memorable boss battle and you've got the makings of a the biggest bastard in gaming, maybe in all of fiction.

That's really all Luca is, and sometimes that's all it takes. I love complex characters but there's something to be said about simplicity in its perfect form. Luca leaves you in awe of how evil and destructive he is, and he goes to the grave laughing in your face and without a single shred of guilt.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:35:43 PM
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greengravy294 posted...
i really hope Ike gets two slots for radiant dawn and path of radiance

anyway tag

He does, but unfortunately, due to split votes neither version ended up making the list.

(This is a topical joke about Fire Emblem Heroes, for those who aren't in the know)
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:36:15 PM
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NBIceman posted...
The Berseria cast was so great. I absolutely loved Eleanor and she was still probably my fourth- or fifth-favorite out of the party members.

Yeah it's a truly excellent cast of characters. Rokurou is easily the worst and he was still great.
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The Mana Sword
02/01/18 11:37:47 PM
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greengravy294
02/01/18 11:39:59 PM
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surely daddy cosplay Ike makes the list avoiding the pesky split vote
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:56:15 PM
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34. Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics)

"I am no hound heeling at the church's skirts. I answer to no one but myself."

"Meaning what?"

"Meaning that I would not think twice of killing you, Ramza, should the hour come."


Speaking of simple characters, let's go the exact opposite direction and look at Delita, one of the more nuanced characters on the list. Delita's story is fascinating. On the outside - as in, what the rest of the world perceives it as - Delita's story is one straight out of a fable. Despite being born into low birth, Delita rose above all the political infighting and perpetual, meaningless war to become the eventual king of the realm, leading to an age of peace and prosperity. Delita is, in short, a hero.

The truth is slightly less nice. Delita got to where he did through endless backstabbing. He hardens his heart to the point where it can be said that he doesn't really have allies or friends, only people he's willing to use until they will no longer advance his goals. All of it stems from the careless death of his sister at the hands of uncaring nobility, and it shapes his entire personality and motivations from then on. He's forced to confront the cold, realistic fact that no one person can shape the world without power, no matter how good their intentions may be. Not even his deep friendship with Ramza manages to survive this change, as the above quote shows.

Delita's story is not a happy one. He achieves all of his goals, but at the same time, loses everything in the process. His final lines are of him wondering if Ramza - who ended up branded as a heretic and probably dead - ended up feeling more satisfied with his lot in life than Delita did. Deep down, I think Delita hates what he's become. It's that contrasting duality between him and Ramza that makes his character so interesting, and watching their paths diverge despite their goals being similar is one of the highlights of Final Fantasy Tactics.
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KamikazePotato
02/01/18 11:56:48 PM
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Actually going to stop there, getting tired. Will pick this up again tomorrow!

greengravy294 posted...
surely daddy cosplay Ike makes the list avoiding the pesky split vote

We'll just have to see...!
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LeonhartFour
02/01/18 11:58:18 PM
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ew War of the Lions script

Ramza > Delita forever

(they're also not rivals darn you Rivalry Rumble)
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KamikazePotato
02/02/18 12:09:58 AM
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War of the Lions script is great! Outside of Algus' name change, anyway.
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greengravy294
02/02/18 12:12:55 AM
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Algus basically suicided every friggen chapter in Chapter 1 in my FFT replay on my phone that I've neglected lately.

fuck algus
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KamikazePotato
02/02/18 12:14:43 AM
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They actually included Algus (as in, the SAME Algus) in a recent Final Fantasy 14 event. He's a zombie or whatever and you get to beat the crap out of him again, because they're right in assuming we'll never get tired of that.
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greengravy294
02/02/18 12:16:53 AM
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yeah i saw that Ivalice is the 24 man raid theme for Stormblood

mildly tempted to resub to beat down "Argath" which honestly is probably the best homage they've had in the game so far (second to the Ozma fight, which was freaking awesome)
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KamikazePotato
02/02/18 12:17:44 AM
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The Ozma fight was top tier. Remains one of my favorite battles in the game so far.
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LeonhartFour
02/02/18 12:20:39 AM
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KamikazePotato posted...
War of the Lions script is great! Outside of Algus' name change, anyway.


bleh no thanks to all that flowery purple prose

you can keep Brave Barbaneth Beoulve too
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greengravy294
02/02/18 12:27:10 AM
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i think my favorite fight is Gilgamesh for the dope remix

then ozma, then thordan, then Shiva, then nael deus darnus

Something like that at least
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KamikazePotato
02/02/18 12:30:37 AM
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Thordan is aces. I love Sephirot and Nidhogg too. In general the Heavensward fights were really good.
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greengravy294
02/02/18 12:32:52 AM
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I skipped the triad fights. Steps of Faith is pretty damn good. And I forgot how awesome 4.0's final boss sequence of Zenos/Shinryuu were

man there's alot of really fun fights in ffxiv. too bad there's like...ramuh and titan.........
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KamikazePotato
02/02/18 2:43:06 AM
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Titan is great if you're a borderline masochistic gamer like me
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greengravy294
02/02/18 8:29:33 AM
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I cleared Titan Extreme with a combination of PUGs and duty finder.

Your move
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02/02/18 1:18:38 PM
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02/02/18 3:04:10 PM
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Gonna give some quick writeups to some characters that would almost certainly would have appeared on the list if I remembered they existed at the time. These are above the Honorable Mentions. No guarantee I won't do more of these in the future as if I remember more!

Rhys (Tales From the Borderlands)
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"Oh come on! You can not tell me that wasn't cool!"

Tales From the Borderlands is easily my favorite Telltale game, which surprised me a lot as I don't even like Borderlands very much. The cast of characters work best as a cohesive unit, but out of all of them, I think Rhys is the most interesting and drives most of the story.

Rhys is an interesting case of a character that seemingly gets less competent as the story goes on. He almost pulls off a big betrayal/heist/whatever in first Episode and it all goes downhill from there. This is partially due to the game using him more as comic relief as time goes on, but the main crux of the issue is that it's because Rhys is trying to be someone he's not. Rhys is part of Hyperion, a company with a corporate structure consisting entirely of backstabbing and ruthlessness. Wanting to move upward in the company and become more successful, Rhys stylizes after the founder of the company, the sociopathic yet charismatic Handsome Jack. He starts off the series doing the same thing everyone else in Hyperiod tries to do - move upwards by using others as stepping stones.

It doesn't take. You actually can try to play Rhys as a total scumbag but I think it would feel forced. Over the course of Tales From the Borderlands, Rhys meets people he can trust and forges some pretty unique bonds with them. If Rhys steps out of line, those people react to him accordingly, and man it can feel really bad. There's one scene in the final game of Rhys wandering around the literal wreckage of his previous hopes and dreams as a certain character tells him that this is pretty much what you get for being a jerkass company man. Rhy's gradual transformation over Tales From the Borderlands is one of the biggest highlights in a game where pretty much everyone is a highlight (it's real good, people!).

Oh, and he's voiced by Troy Baker, which always helps.
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KamikazePotato
02/02/18 3:42:36 PM
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Flowey (Undertale)

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"Howdy! I'm FLOWEY! FLOWEY the FLOWER! Hmm...You're new to the UNDERGROUND, aren'tcha?"

Flowey's greatest strength as a character is his unpredictability. He's the first thing you see in Undertale and it sets the tone for the rest of the game. Whether he's saying sickly sweet and innocent things, or creeping the hell out of you, or appearing at the edge of your screen for a split second before disappearing from view, Flowey always keeps you on your toes. He doesn't get a lot of screentime compared to mose other characters but boy howdy does she make use of it. The final segment in Playthrough 1 is one of the most shocking and terrifying experiences I've ever had in a video game - and I'm no stranger to horror games!

If that was all Flowey was, it wouldn't be enough to make the list. But Flowey, in addition to being an effective villain, is a very interesting character. The things you learn about him, his past, and his personality in the Pacifist and Genocide endings are woven perfectly into Undertale's themes and represent some of the strongest writing the game has to offer. There's more than a hint of tragedy to this weird and creepy flower, far more than you would expect from your initial impressions of him.

While Undertale has a lot of memorable characters (one might be appearing later on...!), no character has a bigger effect on the game's quality than Flowey. Undertale would be a much lesser experience without him.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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