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soulunison2
02/20/18 9:38:35 PM
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The scene where hes (killmonger( in a spirit vision with his dad got to me wont lie

This aint your regular cookie cutter marvel movie
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Youngster_Joey_
02/20/18 9:39:37 PM
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but is him seeing his dad in the spirit world that much different than Thor seeing Odin's ghost or Tony watching his VR parents?
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soulunison2
02/20/18 9:42:55 PM
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...
I haven't seen the movie yet, but is him seeing his dad in the spirit world that much different than Thor seeing Odin's ghost or Tony watching his VR parents?


The idea is that a villain such as Killmonger was given enough time to be fleshed out and you dont see him as a baddie of the day -think magneto
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chrono625
02/20/18 9:49:34 PM
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...
I haven't seen the movie yet, but is him seeing his dad in the spirit world that much different than Thor seeing Odin's ghost or Tony watching his VR parents?


This.

Or Loki finding out he's the child of an opposing faction whose father was killed by Odin in battle and taken back to asgard to be raised by said family.

Or Tony having to fight Steve.

Or Steve choosing to defend a friend who involuntarily killed another friends parents.

I mean, there are quite a few deep moments in these marvel movies.

BP is no exception.
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Prestoff
02/20/18 9:53:24 PM
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The only best thing BP contributed to the MCU was having a fleshed out villain with top notch cgi and chereography. Its still formulaic and predictable for a MCU movie.
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Squall28
02/20/18 9:53:35 PM
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Thor seeing Odin's ghost


This was ruined by all the jokes.
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soulunison2
02/20/18 9:53:44 PM
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chrono625 posted...
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
I haven't seen the movie yet, but is him seeing his dad in the spirit world that much different than Thor seeing Odin's ghost or Tony watching his VR parents?


This.

Or Loki finding out he's the child of an opposing faction whose father was killed by Odin in battle and taken back to asgard to be raised by said family.

Or Tony having to fight Steve.

Or Steve choosing to defend a friend who involuntarily killed another friends parents.

I mean, there are quite a few deep moments in these marvel movies.

BP is no exception.


Wasnt talking about T,Challa, I was talking about Killmonger

In relation to T,Challas vision which is a generic meet your ancestors kinda thing that took place in the serengetti where he was greeted by Kings past and present - Killmonger returns home to the apartment he knew as his world and the only man he knew to trust his father - to which the question is asked why do they (wakanda) let us suffer? He starts crying and shows us something we Almirante never see in a marvel villain -
Vulnerability

Ill be honest, Jordan as Killmonger Pushed the movie over the edge - to give a villain a backstory like that and flesh him out was awesome to see.

Stick any attractive man in the T,Challa role and itd be the same movie imo
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soulunison2
02/20/18 9:54:15 PM
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Prestoff posted...
The only best thing BP contributed to the MCU was having a fleshed out villain with top notch cgi and chereography. Its still formulaic and predictable for a MCU movie.


And thats why Im saying that giving this story an awesome villain pushes it over most MCU movies.
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_wwKd_
02/20/18 9:56:22 PM
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It's rare in a MCU where the main character is weak and the villain carries the movie.
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a42ozslushie
02/20/18 9:56:30 PM
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chrono625 posted...
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
I haven't seen the movie yet, but is him seeing his dad in the spirit world that much different than Thor seeing Odin's ghost or Tony watching his VR parents?


This.

Or Loki finding out he's the child of an opposing faction whose father was killed by Odin in battle and taken back to asgard to be raised by said family.

Or Tony having to fight Steve.

Or Steve choosing to defend a friend who involuntarily killed another friends parents.

I mean, there are quite a few deep moments in these marvel movies.

BP is no exception.

Actually, there is a huge difference that you missed. Black Panther isn't a movie filled with shitty one liners that are meant to reduce tension and make you believe that you are "enjoying" the film. Black Panther's scene is more emotional because it actually lets the scene play out instead of cutting it short with some shitty witty one liner
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soulunison2
02/20/18 9:58:24 PM
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a42ozslushie posted...
chrono625 posted...
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
I haven't seen the movie yet, but is him seeing his dad in the spirit world that much different than Thor seeing Odin's ghost or Tony watching his VR parents?


This.

Or Loki finding out he's the child of an opposing faction whose father was killed by Odin in battle and taken back to asgard to be raised by said family.

Or Tony having to fight Steve.

Or Steve choosing to defend a friend who involuntarily killed another friends parents.

I mean, there are quite a few deep moments in these marvel movies.

BP is no exception.

Actually, there is a huge difference that you missed. Black Panther isn't a movie filled with shitty one liners that are meant to reduce tension and make you believe that you are "enjoying" the film. Black Panther's scene is more emotional because it actually lets the scene play out instead of cutting it short with some shitty witty one liner


That too!
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DezDroppedFreak
02/20/18 9:58:36 PM
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Killmonger was legit amazing. Tbh I was kind of hoping they wouldn't kill him off as I thought there was still a ton of potential left to flesh him out even more, but this on its own was still great
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Darmik
02/20/18 9:59:02 PM
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Killmonger has a lot of political and racial commentary behind his motivations that isn't usually there in the MCU. Vulture is the closest with his beliefs about the divide between the lower and upper class.

Killmonger brings the racial divide and oppression angle which really adds something unique. The cool thing about him is that being black is a large part of his character. It wouldn't be the same without it. Similar to Magneto living through the holocaust as a Jewish child.
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soulunison2
02/20/18 9:59:19 PM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
Killmonger was legit amazing. Tbh I was kind of hoping they wouldn't kill him off as I thought there was still a ton of potential left to flesh him out even more, but this on its own was still great


Oh defintiely, The Character was amazing - and that final line tho
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wackyteen
02/20/18 10:01:33 PM
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Prestoff posted...
The only best thing BP contributed to the MCU was having a fleshed out villain with top notch cgi and chereography. Its still formulaic and predictable for a MCU movie.

some of the cgi was good

but man the green screen in some scenes was straight awful, at least in IMAX <_<
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soulunison2
02/20/18 10:02:43 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Prestoff posted...
The only best thing BP contributed to the MCU was having a fleshed out villain with top notch cgi and chereography. Its still formulaic and predictable for a MCU movie.

some of the cgi was good

but man the green screen in some scenes was straight awful, at least in IMAX <_<


I saw it without all that fancy stuff cuz poverty - i still noticed the bad cgi >_
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soulunison2
02/20/18 10:03:15 PM
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Darmik posted...
Killmonger has a lot of political and racial commentary behind his motivations that isn't usually there in the MCU. Vulture is the closest with his beliefs about the divide between the lower and upper class.

Killmonger brings the racial divide and oppression angle which really adds something unique. The cool thing about him is that being black is a large part of his character. It wouldn't be the same without it. Similar to Magneto living through the holocaust as a Jewish child.


Yeah thats what I was saying. He reminded me a lot of magneto
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Darmik
02/20/18 10:04:29 PM
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The best superhero villains are those ones who make you think "You're crazy and bad and all but...I get it. I get why you are the way you are."

It's so much more interesting than just some guy who wants power or money for the sake of it. Having a logic or emotion behind it is so much better. If you feel like you're relating to the villain that makes them really compelling.
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wackyteen
02/20/18 10:06:37 PM
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soulunison2 posted...


I saw it without all that fancy stuff cuz poverty - i still noticed the bad cgi >_

it wasn't even in 3D

it was just a 2D IMAX movie
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Darkninja42
02/20/18 10:06:50 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Prestoff posted...
The only best thing BP contributed to the MCU was having a fleshed out villain with top notch cgi and chereography. Its still formulaic and predictable for a MCU movie.

some of the cgi was good

but man the green screen in some scenes was straight awful, at least in IMAX <_<

Man that final fight scene was Spider-Man 1 level bad, and I didn't even see it in IMAX
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wackyteen
02/20/18 10:08:20 PM
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Darkninja42 posted...

Man that final fight scene was Spider-Man 1 level bad, and I didn't even see it in IMAX

I thought the first challenge scene with the wide shots of the rock wall was just straight garbage

Not too much of the final fight scene broke the illusion for me but I might've just been too invested in the fight itself
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_wwKd_
02/20/18 10:09:46 PM
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The CGI in the Vibranium mines fight was terrible.
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Ving_Rhames
02/20/18 10:15:24 PM
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A lot of people could relate/sympathize with/understand Killmonger. Hell, even the main character did. He was wrong with the way he was going about everything, all he knew was violence and anger, then you look at T'Challa and see how Killmonger could have potentially ended up.
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