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LeonhartFour
03/22/18 6:13:30 PM
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xp1337
03/22/18 6:27:48 PM
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Like I said, if the situation didn't completely escalate the way it did, I'd have held to my initial reaction of siding with Chloe.

Though, tbqh, the more distressing undercurrent is what caused the escalation. Like, if it had been David's hitting Chloe, I wouldn't have a problem. But Joyce has already been apologetic about that. It's that it all goes crazy over the one aspect that I think he might be relatively okay on.

basically:

things that didn't seem to escalate the situation, but if they had i'd understand: David hitting Chloe, David bugging his own house with cameras.

thing that did escalate the situation: David has files of Kate and Rachel, but the files seem to be part of a legit investigation, even if it's stupid as hell in Kate's case.

I mean, I guess you can argue that the outcome is all that matters regardless of how they arrived there, but it just felt... wrong... to me in the way it developed.
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Mac Arrowny
03/22/18 7:00:41 PM
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I think I chose all the evil choices related to the dog <_<
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LeonhartFour
03/22/18 7:04:27 PM
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Mobilezoid
03/22/18 7:18:45 PM
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Obvious LiS Ep3 spoiler warning. Hopefully no one (other than Leonhart) minds more unsolicited Chloe love.

Siding with David is still the only decision in the game I've never stuck with in any of my playthroughs (and my yearly replays are always 100% pro-Chloe at this point so I probably never will).

Anyway, what did you think of the pool scene? It's some good uncontroversial Chloe time, just two best friends hanging out. I've always liked it. The pool setting at night seems so dreamlike. How do you not want to kiss Chloe after that and the chat after waking up next to her wtf

I also really like that scene with Chloe after exploring the RV. It's one of my favorite showcases of her character. Poor girl has tears in her eyes after learning what Rachel kept secret but she's Chloe so the primary emotion is still anger rather than sadness. She's lashing out at everyone and everything she can think of because otherwise, as she puts it, she might have to consider that some things in her life are her own fault. I also like how there's a series of dialogue options where she begrudgingly takes back her attack about Max betraying her too. When I first played this was the scene where Chloe really clicked for me because it offers so much about her personality.
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xp1337
03/22/18 7:27:55 PM
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Mobilezoid posted...
Siding with David is still the only decision in the game I've never stuck with in any of my playthroughs (and my yearly replays are always 100% pro-Chloe at this point so I probably never will).

well i mean i feel like **** about it, moreso as i've talked about it here. but i know i'd feel like **** if i went the other way too

Mobilezoid posted...
Anyway, what did you think of the pool scene? It's some good uncontroversial Chloe time, just two best friends hanging out. I've always liked it. The pool setting at night seems so dreamlike. How do you not want to kiss Chloe after that and the chat after waking up next to her wtf

It was okay.

And again, that is not what Chloe needs IMO. I mean, first off, given my other choices to that point and how Chloe has reacted it just seems out of place. Had Max been siding with her all along, sure. But also, I read it as Chloe just trying to fill the hole she feels from her abandonment issues in a shallow way. I've been having Max act with the intention of trying to work Chloe through her issues but it's not something they're going to just solve in a conversation. Or a day. Or a week. Basically, I don't think Chloe's mind is in the right place yet for that to be meaningful. Max going along with it wouldn't be helping. At best it'd be setting up a dependency... or a co-dependency.

And the post-RV scene with Chloe lashing out might have been a decent place for her being able to finally take some good steps towards grappling with the issues she has! I liked it too!

but that's on hold now because we're in Earth-2 now.
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Mac Arrowny
03/22/18 7:31:13 PM
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I tried to make all the romancey choices with Max and Chloe, but they never really went anywhere. Never felt like they were anything more than friends.
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LeonhartFour
03/22/18 9:26:09 PM
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Mac Arrowny
03/22/18 9:29:00 PM
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going by the divorce rate in america I'm a bit skeptical
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LeonhartFour
03/22/18 9:31:03 PM
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I mean you may not think someone is terrible at first but come to think so later

but if you already think they're terrible before you kiss them you probably won't unless you're under the influence of something
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LeonhartFour
03/23/18 12:13:20 AM
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man what a crazy NCAA Tournament

a 9 vs. an 11 in the Elite Eight now

(and any tournament where Kentucky loses to a team they're not supposed to lose to is a good tournament)
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The Mana Sword
03/23/18 7:15:18 AM
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SeabassDebeste
03/23/18 9:25:31 AM
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xp1337 posted...

i really enjoy the thought that goes into your decisions! and i don't think any of what you say is invalid! i chose to enable chloe not because it was healthy but because i thought the co-dependence was more interesting than being the menschian best or whatever. the series (and chloe's instability) always felt like it was destined for a tempestuous and violent end, and fully enabling chloe was most satisfying to me
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LeonhartFour
03/23/18 11:56:31 AM
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03/23/18 1:24:29 PM
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SeabassDebeste
03/23/18 1:40:19 PM
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ubermensch wasn't entirely sufficient to convey what i wanted to, and i didn't feel like spending the effort to articulate it more clearly
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pjbasis
03/23/18 1:51:32 PM
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Well great now I'm in a wikipedia loop of philosophy
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LeonhartFour
03/23/18 2:08:28 PM
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by the time this Wiki walk is over pj might have become a Nietzschean
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xp1337
03/23/18 10:46:44 PM
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Life is Strange but not so strange that I'm in a new Episode. Still in Episode 4. Uh... I haven't been clear on the spoiler policy here. I'd been treating it as open since Leon played it but maybe I'll start using some.

Max and Chloe's investigation has now led them to an underground bunker under a barn. What secrets await? i dunno cuz i stopped there.

To begin with, let me say that the beginning of Episode 4 was incredible. Definitely the highpoint of the game so far IMO.

Earth-2 was a cool place to be. Glad we only stayed at Chloe's House though. Looking around the place and talking to Chloe/William/Joyce was great. End choice was tough but had Max agree to Chloe's request.

not gonna lie was tearing up as this whole sequence went down with Max letting William go and the breakdown to Chloe

Back to the ~investigation~ oh ya it feels like we were actually investigating. Inexplicably remembering numbers I had seen last time also OP as it let me open the lock easy. Visiting Kate again was nice, and props to Chloe for apologizing for the incident with the phone call back in Episode 2. This whole episode so far has been doing wonders for Chloe. I feel she's definitely much improved so far. She's been a lot more level-headed and acknowledging her selfishness and mistakes. I'm personally chalking this up to an effect from Max's tearful plea to Chloe when she sent things back to the way they were. because it makes me smile to think that.

Also I totally meant to mention this last time, but it might be for the best that I forgot because there's more. That homeless lady and ESPECIALLY Samuel totes know something. god that whole conversation with samuel on your way to the dorms. that guy.

On the way out of the dorms I had a somewhat surprisingly tough decision. Ultimately I didn't have Max stop Warren. Definitely have misgivings though. First time I did have her stop him cuz y'know we're the good guys. But then when I checked the other path I came to the tough decision that while this could definitely have some bad reprecussions down the line, getting the gun away from Nathan narrowly won out. I kind of hoped against hope that he might also back off but later text messages shot that down. Felt bad about Warren, especially in the immediate aftermath convo, but he at least seems to have bounced back.

Next up with Frank things went well! oh my god is frank a member of the party now? I imagine that could have gone down badly, but no major decision thingy came up so maybe you have to succeed in the end?

then more i n v e s t i g a t i o n. man takes me back to chaos;child kinda. This was fun.

Anyway, that more or less led me to where I am now I think. That was a pretty great stretch and hopefully it keeps going.
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Leonhart4
03/23/18 10:52:41 PM
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Eh, I couldn't accede to Chloe's request. Of course she tried to make me feel terrible for not doing it but whatever.
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xp1337
03/23/18 10:54:15 PM
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That's one where if I were in Max's position I couldn't. But if I were in Chloe's I understand it entirely. I figured that the crushing guilt Max felt at the time would lend to her acceding there.
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Mobilezoid
03/23/18 11:10:42 PM
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Ep4 is my favorite by far, so many great moments with Chloe. I like how the alternate reality shows a very different side of her while still reaffirming certain aspects that are clearly part of her core personality. Being able to examine characters from different angles is something I always love.
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LeonhartFour
03/24/18 12:39:24 AM
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LeonhartFour
03/24/18 5:29:39 PM
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I finished up the first Hyperion book and decided to go ahead and get the second one. I know some people here said the others aren't as good, but I couldn't just let it go with the way the first book ended.

Ranking the stories: 4 > 6 > 1 > 5 > 3 > 2
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LeonhartFour
03/24/18 5:46:02 PM
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I totally forgot that the dude who played Wash on Firefly was in an episode of Frasier. It took me until the end of the episode to place where I knew him, too, whoops!
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Mac Arrowny
03/24/18 6:03:54 PM
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The second book is still pretty solid, just not quite as good. I believe 3 and 4 were unplanned sequels though and not as good.
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xp1337
03/24/18 11:01:36 PM
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Life is Strange: Episode 4 beated. On Episode 5. Just saved Chloe for the nth time but Max passed out near the lighthouse and we're back in Jefferson's Class on Day 1. y'know, when the windows were splattered with blood. just another day where nothing ever happened in arcadia bay

turns out the dark room was a dark place

so it was the perfect time to party. The Vortex Club Party was actually pretty cool. Was fun chatting to everyone and the music was good, particularly the first song when you arrive. Also lol Brooke man already has a date set up with warren and now setting one up with daniel?. Talked to Victoria and made her the newest Lab Mem. sadly i haven't been assigning numbers but i have been internally referring to max's befriending as lab mems. Also warned her about Nathan. in retrospect, whoops.

Chloe was actually surprisingly showing more patience for Max wanting to listen to Jefferson announce the contest winner than I had. also why is he announcing it there. Anyway, Max and Chloe then proceed to do something dumb going alone to the junkyard, making tons of noise, NOT KEEPING A LOOKOUT.

so yeah, whoops.

Onto Episode 5 and yo. yo. yooooooooooooooo. this was rather disturbing.

But then lmao at the emergence of Punished Max just destroying Jefferson with no BS when she jumps back to the start. All her examine lines are just so no BS I loved it. Also saving Kate again and setting up ~the perfect world~. It was weird navigating her text messages on the plane/Gallery to try and figure out exactly what happened still. I remember having the impression things didn't seem to make too much sense exactly, but eh. Until Max is all "oh right the tornado. whoops."

like seriously jefferson burns her diary because she ripped the photo? that's silly. i'd say it also makes little sense from jefferson's perspective but his perspective is entirely ****ed up so whatever probably no point in analyzing it. Anyway, I screwed up the David thing a bunch. Must have tried every option before I realized the cable was there.

Anyway, that all taken care of I had Max take Chloe's necklace and hide the truth from David. Then we saved a bunch of people on the way to the diner. Told Frank what happened and gave Warren a hug. Messed up trying to convince Chloe one time but got it the second. Max telling Chloe about what Jefferson did to her and her Earth-2 experience was pretty emotional. I guess Max also explains here that auto-pilot Max is clueless (and also still a jerk I assume.)

And so that's how I ended up in what my save file called "Nightmare." Only thing I did before stopping once I arrived here was check my journal and text messages.

oh man are we going full eva

i hope we're going full eva


Argh, sorry for the wall of spoilers, but at this stage in the game it's hard to really avoid them if I'm going to use them.
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trdl23
03/24/18 11:06:09 PM
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David low-key best character in the game, and it isn't very close.

It is utter bullshit that a hipster photographer can somehow overpower a trained combat veteran once the element of surprise is gone.
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trdl23
03/24/18 11:07:09 PM
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Also, sorry for dipping out for a while, Leon. It was a really rough time for me, and I wasn't acting rationally. Figured best to make myself scarce and embarrass myself once than to just keep doing it.
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LeonhartFour
03/24/18 11:19:09 PM
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trdl23 posted...
Also, sorry for dipping out for a while, Leon. It was a really rough time for me, and I wasn't acting rationally. Figured best to make myself scarce and embarrass myself once than to just keep doing it.


No, don't worry about it. I just didn't want you to think I didn't want you around.
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LeonhartFour
03/24/18 11:26:16 PM
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also best LIS character is Kate by a wide margin

Max is pretty decent too I guess

but yeah my main gripe with LIS is that it doesn't have very many likable characters

perhaps on purpose and to good effect for some but I want to like characters
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xp1337
03/24/18 11:28:12 PM
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Unless something dramatically changes in what remains of the game for me, Max is by far the best character.

it's not even close
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LeonhartFour
03/24/18 11:33:56 PM
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I think you'll be okay

Max is a pretty steady and consistent character if nothing else
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trdl23
03/24/18 11:35:45 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
also best LIS character is Kate by a wide margin

Kate is a cupcake that must be protected at all costs, and she's really good. I guess it wasn't a "not very close" after all. I just think that, due to obvious circumstances, she didn't get enough screen time to shine like David did.

I've never had such a gradual yet total 180-degree turn on a character like I have David Madsen, especially when I realized that he's an allegory for Max. He's doing the exact same questionably-ethical stuff as Max, and he's doing it with the same goal in mind: protect Chloe and solve the mystery of Arcadia Bay. He's just doing it without timehax, so he has to be more overt, conventional, methodical, and use his authority for all he can. After I realized that, it made me pissed at myself for immediately dismissing him as an unrepentant asshole just because I didn't like his demeanor and politics.

Don't get me wrong, smacking Chloe in episode 1 was bullshit, but he realized that pretty quickly.
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Mac Arrowny
03/24/18 11:38:42 PM
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Max is pretty cool. Kate would've definitely been better with more screentime.
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LeonhartFour
03/25/18 2:27:46 AM
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Got in a little Trails SC tonight. Haven't had the time to play the last few days. It's kinda nice going back over all the towns now that you've got Joshua back just to see how everyone reacts to seeing him again. The orphanage in particular is really sweet in that regard.

Next up is the Jenis Royal Academy secret quest but I'll save that for tomorrow.

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xp1337
03/25/18 2:56:26 AM
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Trails SC: Yeah, the Joshua Reunion Tour is pretty cool
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LeonhartFour
03/25/18 5:56:25 PM
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okay I need some stuff for the next poll so recommend anime for me to watch and I'll put it up to a vote

(I'm not just taking the first ten suggestions so don't try to sneak garbage anime in here)
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pyresword
03/25/18 6:00:16 PM
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A Place Further Than the Universe from this most recent season has been really good.

There is no dub as of now, but I can't remember if that was a dealbreaker for you or just a preference.
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LeonhartFour
03/25/18 6:01:53 PM
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Dub is a preference. I don't mind watching subs if it's something that seems interesting and there's no alternative.
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Robazoid
03/25/18 6:47:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure you have access to Netflix so you might be interested in AICO Incarnation, which recently came out. It has a sci-fi premise that takes a bit of time to become clear and the story/pacing definitely isn't for everyone, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. The action was good and the plot did manage to come together, albeit with a few loose threads.

The only problem here is, while it has a dub, everything I've read about it tells me that the dub is absolute trash so you'd probably want to watch it subbed.
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Sceptilesolar
03/25/18 6:51:41 PM
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Rerecommending the Tatami Galaxy then.
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xp1337
03/25/18 6:51:42 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
okay I need some stuff for the next poll so recommend anime for me to watch and I'll put it up to a vote

Evangelion.

make it happen this time. >_>

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Life is Strange beated. Guess I'll start with what remains of my summary before moving on to more general thoughts.

Nightmare sequence was pretty cool. Though, I think it was better at the beginning. It felt the strongest then, with the Classroom and Dorm Maze. Think a lot of it was because of the changed examine points in the Classroom and the various graffiti in the dorm. Once it moved to Backwards land and MGS it wasn't as compelling. Shout outs to the diner though, that was great too with all the people there and Evil Max.

Then, of course, the end. I don't think it's any surprise reading my thoughts so far that Max sacrificed Chloe. The alternative wasn't even an option. Ending cutscene was good, especially the re-enactment of the bathroom scene, pretty powerful watching Max forced to sit helplessly and just listen and react.

Okay, so general thoughts I suppose...

Life is Strange was a great game/experience, I'm glad I played it. I'm a sucker for high school nostalgia, time travel, what-if regrets, and Max's sense of humor so it pretty much couldn't fail. (sorry leon i feel like i always let you down.) We're not talking like all-time great or anything, but definitely fairly high-tier.

Again, Max was by far the best character IMO. Her sense of humor, and more powerfully, her struggles and insecurities - especially seen through her journal entries - really resonated with me. Chloe was fine (i'm so sorry leon) she definitely improved as a character, both in terms of likability but also in general from Episode 4 on. I feel David being slowly rolled out as a more complex character as the episodes went on was good too. It was a real slow roll but it paid off very well in the end, particularly in the Dark Room rescue and the ensuing conversation with him. Frank is similar in that regard, but a lesser version due to not as much screentime. The Blackwell students had potential - Dana, Kate, Brooke, Stella all have moments or signs that there could be a lot more there but you really don't interact with them much. Kate the most, but it still feels like less than David or even Frank.

Love the rewind, conversation, and info-gathering mechanics and their interplay. Wish there was more of it, and there is still a fair amount. Music was pretty good too, I think I've noted my favorites here and there as they appeared.

I'll expound a bit more on the ending because I feel it was a bit... flat? Abrupt? Now, granted, I think Sacrifice Chloe pretty much has to be the ending, so it's no problem with that... it's just... it feels like there's no true build-up to it. Now, it's obvious to the player that the storm and the weird phenomena are the result of Max messing with time... but it feels like the characters never really grapple with this much. Warren at the diner points it out (and side note he was... weird... in that whole convo) and Samuel seems to know somehow. But though Max's nightmare and especially nightmare journal touch on it, you ultimately pop back into reality and the whole thing is talked out by Max and Chloe in about 30 seconds and then the choice pops. I just feel like that could have been handled better. Either with it having been a subject of discussion throughout the game on occasion, or a more extended discussion where it did pop up.

oh noes character limit.

Uh, so if anyone wants anything specific/in-depth from me, or questions about choices or anything really, feel free to ask.
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Leonhart4
03/25/18 8:16:26 PM
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I mean the only reason I didn't watch Evangelion before was because I didn't have a legit way to access it
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03/25/18 8:16:42 PM
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xp1337
03/25/18 9:13:36 PM
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Yeah, I know but =(

Are any of these available: FLCL, Soul Eater, Madoka? I'd guess you'd like Soul Eater the most out of that, but FLCL is only 6 episodes and would be amazing for reactions. Madoka also short and I'd be interested in your thoughts but I have a feeling you wouldn't like it much.

and i mean there's always fma: brotherhood
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trdl23
03/25/18 9:16:01 PM
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My favorite anime is Paranoia Agent. It's a one-season deal so the opportunity cost is low even if you end up not being a fan.
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LeonhartFour
03/25/18 9:39:54 PM
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xp1337 posted...
Yeah, I know but =(

Are any of these available: FLCL, Soul Eater, Madoka? I'd guess you'd like Soul Eater the most out of that, but FLCL is only 6 episodes and would be amazing for reactions. Madoka also short and I'd be interested in your thoughts but I have a feeling you wouldn't like it much.

and i mean there's always fma: brotherhood


looks like I have access to all of those

I've noticed Prime Instant Video is starting to have a better selection, especially in the dub department.
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The Mana Sword
03/25/18 9:45:37 PM
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FLCL is my favorite but I dont think its something youd like.
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BK_Sheikah00
03/25/18 10:02:09 PM
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Gummi Ships are fun. You know what really really sucks? Disney Town.

On Birth by Sleep now. Critical Mode since I don't have that trophy yet. "Almost" done with Terra. And by that I mean I still have to finish the Mirage Arena and the Bullshit Figure who I have never defeated as Terra. But yeah, Disney Town mini-games were a nightmare. Fruitball and Racing are super random, so the only one that is a little bit of fun is Ice Cream Beat. But man, it was really hard and got sick of the songs.

And what really sucks about this game's Platinum is having to do all this bullshit with ALL THREE CHARACTERS.
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