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DarkChozoGhost
03/10/18 1:58:47 PM
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Just a reminder
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NibeIungsnarf
03/10/18 1:59:47 PM
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cavalierking
03/10/18 2:00:00 PM
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@Zikten
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A_Good_Boy
03/10/18 2:00:06 PM
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03/10/18 2:00:26 PM
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100% of bad people are bad neo nazis
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CyricZ
03/10/18 2:00:30 PM
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03/10/18 2:00:45 PM
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Kaname_Madoka
03/10/18 2:01:24 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
@Zikten

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DirkDiggles
03/10/18 2:01:35 PM
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But President Trump said that they were good people!
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muchdran
03/10/18 2:01:57 PM
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Why
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Bishop9800
03/10/18 2:02:04 PM
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@Zikten
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Paper_Okami
03/10/18 2:06:21 PM
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True
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Dark_SilverX
03/10/18 2:07:48 PM
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agreed but hero Trump said they were fine
i'm confused ;~;
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On_The_Edge
03/10/18 2:08:08 PM
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It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?
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NibeIungsnarf
03/10/18 2:08:27 PM
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I am shocked that Zikten is warned again. I'm sure he did not deserve it and that the mods probably just persecuted him for defending nazis again.
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A_Good_Boy
03/10/18 2:10:18 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?

I'm fine with more severe punishments if they think about trying to get more powerful and trying to harm other people.
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StucklnMyPants
03/10/18 2:10:41 PM
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_Near_
03/10/18 2:11:01 PM
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People are complex. Neo-Nazis are not. You're a bad person until you stop being a Neo-Nazi.
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On_The_Edge
03/10/18 2:11:17 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?

I'm fine with more severe punishments if they think about trying to get more powerful and trying to harm other people.

You really don't get how ideas spread at all do you
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hockeybub89
03/10/18 2:11:24 PM
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On_The_Edge
03/10/18 2:12:08 PM
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_Near_ posted...
People are complex. Neo-Nazis are not. You're a bad person until you stop being a Neo-Nazi.

Lmao what? So in your view the moment you adopt a radically incorrect moral position you cease being a person. I swear it's like you people WANT naziism to come back with a vengeance.
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_Near_
03/10/18 2:12:58 PM
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No, Neo-Nazis are still people.They're just bad people. I was speaking of morality. The morality of an average person is complex. The morality of a Neo Nazi is not.
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A_Good_Boy
03/10/18 2:13:13 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?

I'm fine with more severe punishments if they think about trying to get more powerful and trying to harm other people.

You really don't get how ideas spread at all do you

Ethnic cleansing is bad and people who support it as a core part of their ideology are bad people. Cancer gets wiped out, not coddled.
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SSJ2GrimReaper
03/10/18 2:14:33 PM
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people actually defending neo-nazis on CE lmao
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Tmaster148
03/10/18 2:15:19 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?

I'm fine with more severe punishments if they think about trying to get more powerful and trying to harm other people.

You really don't get how ideas spread at all do you

Ethnic cleansing is bad and people who support it as a core part of their ideology are bad people. Cancer gets wiped out, not coddled.


But what about the good cancer cells!

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_Near_
03/10/18 2:15:33 PM
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every day, especially for people like on the edge

and they love to blame everyone else for nazis except for nazis
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On_The_Edge
03/10/18 2:16:13 PM
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_Near_ posted...
No, Neo-Nazis are still people.They're just bad people. I was speaking of morality. The morality of an average person is complex. The morality of a Neo Nazi is not.

Okay fair enough but I don't think you understand the relationship between people and their beliefs very well. I never said the nazi belief system is complex, I said the neo nazis are, b/c all people are. We don't know why people have the beliefs they do and oftentimes they themselves don't know why. Categorizing them as an irredeemable "other" without respect for that complexity isn't solving the issue of dangerous ideologies, because oftentimes people don't adopt those ideologies because they are worse than other people in any particular moral sense, they do so for other reasons

A_Good_Boy posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?

I'm fine with more severe punishments if they think about trying to get more powerful and trying to harm other people.

You really don't get how ideas spread at all do you

Ethnic cleansing is bad and people who support it as a core part of their ideology are bad people. Cancer gets wiped out, not coddled.

Ideas are not exactly like a like cancer though, they don't get wiped out the way you are trying to approach it
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Metro2
03/10/18 2:16:52 PM
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Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time?


Based on life experience, I can tell you that certain people's beliefs never change even in the face of evidence that disproves their beliefs.
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On_The_Edge
03/10/18 2:17:18 PM
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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...
people actually defending neo-nazis on CE lmao

nope i'm not defending them, i'm saying you guys are idiots if you think speaking about any group of people that way will eliminate the problem. you are actually making it profoundly worse
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A_Good_Boy
03/10/18 2:19:03 PM
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Don't care. Stop blaming other people for nazis being pieces of shit. Nobody else is responsible for their garbage opinions except for themselves, and if they don't want to stop being deplorable cesspools then I have no issue with them being punched. Getting chin-checked is a mercy compared to what they'd have done to other people anyways.
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The Admiral
03/10/18 2:19:13 PM
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@cavalierking posted...
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NibeIungsnarf
03/10/18 2:19:21 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
SSJ2GrimReaper posted...
people actually defending neo-nazis on CE lmao

nope i'm not defending them, i'm saying you guys are idiots if you think speaking about any group of people that way will eliminate the problem. you are actually making it profoundly worse

Why does it bother you that people use their free speech to call nazis anal-poop loving shitpeople but its okay that they use their free speech to call blacks degenerates and what not?
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_Near_
03/10/18 2:27:42 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
said the nazi belief system is complex, I said the neo nazis are, b/c all people are. We don't know why people have the beliefs they do and oftentimes they themselves don't know why. Categorizing them as an irredeemable "other" without respect for that complexity isn't solving the issue of dangerous ideologies, because oftentimes people don't adopt those ideologies because they are worse than other people in any particular moral sense, they do so for other reasons


I never said they were irredeemable. Quite the opposite. I said that they're a bad person until they stop being a Neo-Nazi. Then we can talk about the complexity of their morality.

And people may have a variety of reasons for why they became neo-nazis, but the point is as soon as you become one, you're a bad person. Because you espouse irremediably damaging ideas. At that point, you present a danger to the populace.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/10/18 2:58:58 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
It's frustrating how we have no respect for the fact that people are complex anymore. They're all bad people? Is it not possible that they're just misguided? Are they so irredeemable that you can't fathom them growing out of those beliefs over time? Or should we just box them into a deplorable category and punch them in the face, allowing their ideology to spread underground and get more powerful?

I didn't say they were irredeemable. I sad they were bad people. And they will be bad people as long as they are neo-nazis. If they stop being neo-nazis, they could potentially become good people. But 100% of neo-nazis are bad people.
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chill02
03/11/18 10:44:09 PM
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008Zulu
03/12/18 9:41:47 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!

Trump also said that people have finite energy, and that if you use it all when you are young, you will have nothing left for when you are old.
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RickyTheBAWSE
03/12/18 9:43:20 PM
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how many people disagree with the OP?
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KingCrabCake
03/12/18 9:52:37 PM
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@DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!

He never said that
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KingCrabCake
03/12/18 9:53:34 PM
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While i agree with OP i also dont mind if anyone doesnt cast judgment on them as a whole group
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DirkDiggles
03/12/18 9:57:31 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
@DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!

He never said that


He said that there were good people on both sides, therefore he said that Neo-Nazis and racists are good people.
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KingCrabCake
03/12/18 9:58:25 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
@DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!

He never said that


He said that there were good people on both sides, therefore he said that Neo-Nazis and racists are good people.


Nope. You're aware you could support the statue staying up without being a racist or a neo-Nazi ....right?

Please tell me you know this
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averagejoel
03/12/18 9:58:38 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Ideas are not exactly like a like cancer though, they don't get wiped out the way you are trying to approach it

well debating them certainly doesn't work
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Complete_Idi0t
03/12/18 9:59:52 PM
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What about that guy who made a list and saved a lot of the Jews? I think they made a movie about him
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Zikten
03/12/18 10:00:38 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
@Red Skull

he isn't a nazi he's just allied with them in the war. and he turned against them later. at least in the MCU. forget if he attacked them in the comics. but he is Hydra. Hydra is it's own group. seperate from Nazis. Red Skull thinks that Hitler is too soft.
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A_Good_Boy
03/12/18 10:01:09 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
@DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!

He never said that


He said that there were good people on both sides, therefore he said that Neo-Nazis and racists are good people.


Nope. You're aware you could support the statue staying up without being a racist or a neo-Nazi ....right?

Please tell me you know this

So you can, but you don't attend a rally organized by and march alongside neo-nazis and get to call yourself a good person. The good people bowed out once they saw all the sieg hails and swastikas, they didn't join in.
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hockeybub89
03/12/18 10:02:28 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
@DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!

He never said that


He said that there were good people on both sides, therefore he said that Neo-Nazis and racists are good people.


Nope. You're aware you could support the statue staying up without being a racist or a neo-Nazi ....right?

Please tell me you know this

Not if you were standing arm-in-arm with Nazis. If I showed up at a video game convention and everyone there was part of a cannibal cult, I wouldn't hang around just because I really love video games. You got problems if you're such a history buff that you'll hang around a bunch of Sieg Heiling.
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The Admiral
03/12/18 10:02:32 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
how many people disagree with the OP?


In regards to actual neo-Nazis, probably nobody.
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_RETS_
03/12/18 10:09:24 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!


No he didn't. He specifically singled them put for condemnation. His "both sides" comment was liberals purposely misrepresenting the context in which he was saying it.

You're attributing the statement to malice when stupidity makes the most sense. He (wrongly) thought the neo-nazis hijacked the event and that many protesters in attendance were simply there to protest the statue removal.

He was stupidly (and characteristically) speaking before he had the facts straight. He was not saying the neo-nazis were fine people. He was wrongly saying there were innocent people there for the protest because he is dumb and didn't know better.

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DirkDiggles
03/12/18 10:11:19 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Nope. You're aware you could support the statue staying up without being a racist or a neo-Nazi ....right?

Please tell me you know this


Tell me which ones were the good people...The ones goosestepping? The ones waving the Nazi flag? The ones shouting racist drivel? The guy running over people?
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hockeybub89
03/12/18 10:11:30 PM
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_RETS_ posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
But President Trump said that they were good people!


No he didn't. He specifically singled them put for condemnation. His "both sides" comment was liberals purposely misrepresenting the context in which he was saying it.

You're attributing the statement to malice when stupidity makes the most sense. He (wrongly) thought the neo-nazis hijacked the event and that many protesters in attendance were simply there to protest the statue removal.

He was stupidly (and characteristically) speaking before he had the facts straight. He was not saying the neo-nazis were fine people. He was wrongly saying there were innocent people there for the protest because he is dumb and didn't know better.

Continuing to push this "both sides" narrative makes you look very stupid.

In other words, he called Nazis good people because he didn't fact check. So still extremely stupid and worthy of derision.
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