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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:41:34 PM
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Most everybody would agree that killing babies is wrong. I don't think anybody would agree to deciding, after your baby was born, that you didn't want it so you just kill them. A baby is obviously a very primitive human. Does any of us remember being a newborn infant? No. They can't really do much thinking. Yet we all agree that they are alive and they should not be killed.

Who is to say that that same baby was not alive inside of the womb? What is the basis for deciding when a baby is considered a human life and when it isnt?

It seems that the question of abortion would come down to when is the thing inside of you a baby? That's a SUPER COMPLICATED QUESTION. There is no answer. Its EXTREMELY philosophical and hard to nail down.

So if you are pro-choice that's fine, but the idea that you act like this is an easy decision is absolutely horrendous to me. I don't think somebody being pro-choice is horrendous if they truly believe that it is not a human life at the time of abortion, but to act so all-knowing about a philosophical question like when life begins? That is just insanity. To hate on somebody for being pro-life when pro-life people are, in their minds, preventing the murder of babies - which you can understand how appalling that would be...that just has never made sense to me.

Be pro choice fine, but don't act like its a simple decision because that is just insulting. The abortion debate is one of the most complicated debates out there and I do not agree with somebody being so blase about human life that they believe that they can so nonchalantly snuff it out and not even consider it a complicated issue.
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:43:23 PM
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it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:44:06 PM
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Ray-Ray posted...
it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not


Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:45:29 PM
#4:


HHH is the game posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not


Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

only if you want to
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:46:59 PM
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Ray-Ray posted...
HHH is the game posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not


Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

only if you want to


Are you not required by law to take care of your children?
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Proclose
03/22/18 2:47:37 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
Who is to say that that same baby was not alive inside of the womb? What is the basis for deciding when a baby is considered a human life and when it isnt?

That's why things like not being able to abort in the 3rd trimester exist.
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:47:39 PM
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when you birth it, yes

as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:49:00 PM
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Ray-Ray posted...
when you birth it, yes

as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it


I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)
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Zikten
03/22/18 2:50:23 PM
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yea, pro choice people call pro life people evil which never made sense to me. whenever I see a pro choicer spewing hate speech at a pro lifer and accusing the pro lifer of being pure evil and a monster, I feel like I am on Bizzaro World
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:50:28 PM
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Proclose posted...
HHH is the game posted...
Who is to say that that same baby was not alive inside of the womb? What is the basis for deciding when a baby is considered a human life and when it isnt?

That's why things like not being able to abort in the 3rd trimester exist.


Ok and who is to say 3rd trimester is the magic point where it becomes alive?

Maybe it is, that's not even my point.

My point is it should always be acknowledged as a serious and hard to answer question.

And the burden for this really falls more on pro-choice people because they are the ones that are playing with a human life, whereas pro-life people seem to be giving the baby the benefit of the doubt
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CommonStar
03/22/18 2:50:42 PM
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Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means.

In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.
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Zikten
03/22/18 2:51:20 PM
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Ray-Ray posted...
as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it

even if you are 8 months pregnant? are you in favor of 8 month abortions?
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NibeIungsnarf
03/22/18 2:51:22 PM
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I don't care if its a human life, honestly.
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:51:57 PM
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Zikten posted...
yea, pro choice people call pro life people evil which never made sense to me. whenever I see a pro choicer spewing hate speech at a pro lifer and accusing the pro lifer of being pure evil and a monster, I feel like I am on Bizzaro World


Yes this is the thing for me. The pro-choice people can feel how they want, and try to explain their point of view but to act like this is an obvious decision and not an extremely complicated question is what makes me look down on them. Not ALL of course. Just the ones who act like pro-lifers are the bad guys. They are playing with human lives without showing it any respect at all and it makes me think they are not right to be making these decisions so lightly, and thus respect their opinion less.
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:52:43 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
when you birth it, yes

as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it


I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)

and thats dumb

because when push comes to shove, outside of holding a gun to a woman's head there is really nothing you can do to stop them

you really just have to realize you have no more say in it than you'd have in trying to raise someone else's kid
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Pepys Monster
03/22/18 2:52:48 PM
#17:


HHH is the game posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not


Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

If your wife cheated on you and got pregnant, would you still be pro life? I wouldn't. I'd want it aborted.
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Second_Chances
03/22/18 2:53:35 PM
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why don't people just give the baby up for adoption they're gonna have to pay medical fees anyways
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Zikten
03/22/18 2:53:41 PM
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also many people ignore the fact that half of all pro lifers are women. lots of times you see anti pro life stuff being said to accuse it of being an anti woman movemen. yet 50% of the movement is women
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Uncle Choad
03/22/18 2:54:31 PM
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Imagine caring about the life of a child.
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Zikten
03/22/18 2:54:34 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
If your wife cheated on you and got pregnant, would you still be pro life? I wouldn't. I'd want it aborted.

so now who's anti woman? you just admited to wanting to order your wife to get an abortion. just cause she fucked another man behind your back.

and no I wouldn't. I would be mad. but I wouldn't kill a baby that had nothing to do with it. I might not want to take care of the baby. but I wouldn't kill it
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:54:56 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means.

In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.


There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life.

Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place.

The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid.
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:55:51 PM
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Zikten posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it

even if you are 8 months pregnant? are you in favor of 8 month abortions?

not really

how would you get an 8 months abortion? wouldn't it be almost like a c-section? in that case abortion and birthing wouldn't be very different and should be charged as murder if done
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:56:02 PM
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Zikten posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
If your wife cheated on you and got pregnant, would you still be pro life? I wouldn't. I'd want it aborted.

so now who's anti woman? you just admited to wanting to order your wife to get an abortion. just cause she fucked another man behind your back.

and no I wouldn't. I would be mad. but I wouldn't kill a baby that had nothing to do with it. I might not want to take care of the baby. but I wouldn't kill it


I might divorce my wife but I would not want the child aborted no.
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NibeIungsnarf
03/22/18 2:56:10 PM
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When you unironically agree with Zikten to the point he feels he can start shitting up your topic with his spamposts, you know you've on the wrong side of an issue.
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:56:21 PM
#26:


Ray-Ray posted...
Zikten posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it

even if you are 8 months pregnant? are you in favor of 8 month abortions?

not really

how would you get an 8 months abortion? wouldn't it be almost like a c-section? in that case abortion and birthing wouldn't be very different and should be charged as murder if done


But yet the baby is inside the body, so when do you draw the line?
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Proclose
03/22/18 2:56:52 PM
#27:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
When you unironically agree with Zikten to the point he feels he can start s***ting up your topic with his spamposts, you know you've on the wrong side of an issue.

Yup
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:57:28 PM
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What I agreed with is that i would not want my wife to get an abortion because she cheated on me with another man. If anything I would divorce my wife. Its not the child's fault, and if my wife was sleeping with another man, then maybe we shouldn't be together.
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:58:40 PM
#29:


HHH is the game posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
Zikten posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it

even if you are 8 months pregnant? are you in favor of 8 month abortions?

not really

how would you get an 8 months abortion? wouldn't it be almost like a c-section? in that case abortion and birthing wouldn't be very different and should be charged as murder if done


But yet the baby is inside the body, so when do you draw the line?

i draw the line when birthing and abortion start to blend

theoretically, if someone created a drug that liquefied the baby in the womb at any point before pregnancy i'd be all for it
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Pepys Monster
03/22/18 2:58:55 PM
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Zikten posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
If your wife cheated on you and got pregnant, would you still be pro life? I wouldn't. I'd want it aborted.

so now who's anti woman? you just admited to wanting to order your wife to get an abortion. just cause she fucked another man behind your back.

and no I wouldn't. I would be mad. but I wouldn't kill a baby that had nothing to do with it. I might not want to take care of the baby. but I wouldn't kill it

So you'd raise another man's kid that was born because your wife cheated on you. Sad!
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 2:59:08 PM
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after pregnancy, though not before
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 2:59:59 PM
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People keep saying they choose the woman's rights over the child's.

To me, one of those people got themselves into this situation, and the other is an innocent victim.

My sympathies lie with the innocent victim.
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_Rinku_
03/22/18 3:00:20 PM
#33:


Second_Chances posted...
why don't people just give the baby up for adoption they're gonna have to pay medical fees anyways

Giving birth costs $10k even with insurance.

An abortion is substantially less. Not to mention the irreversible damage pregnancy does to a woman's body.
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meestermj
03/22/18 3:00:54 PM
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Do any of you realize how expensive it is to simply give birth?
$10,000 at the low end.
That's fucking insane. Forcing someone to carry to term and then having them pay $10,000+ for it, then sending that child into the horrendous adoption system, is completely inhumane.
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Zikten
03/22/18 3:01:01 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Zikten posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
If your wife cheated on you and got pregnant, would you still be pro life? I wouldn't. I'd want it aborted.

so now who's anti woman? you just admited to wanting to order your wife to get an abortion. just cause she fucked another man behind your back.

and no I wouldn't. I would be mad. but I wouldn't kill a baby that had nothing to do with it. I might not want to take care of the baby. but I wouldn't kill it

So you'd raise another man's kid that was born because your wife cheated on you. Sad!

no. I literally said I wouldn't want to take care of it. I wouldn't raise it. I would probably divorce her and leave. but i wouldn't kill the baby. you think you have the right to force your wife to abort against her will? you don't. even as a husband. that's illegal. and I am morally opposed to abortion and am not a believer in "the sins of the father". I would not harm a baby for something it didn't do.
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CyricZ
03/22/18 3:01:19 PM
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Well if I may, the thing that gets me about certain pro-lifers is that they have no other solution to the problem of unwanted pregnancies other than "don't have sex". You'd think that if pro-lifers wanted to reduce unwanted pregnancies, and by association abortions, they'd be all for easy access to birth control.

Yet there are many out there against birth control and against Planned Parenthood, the latter being designed as a ready and affordable source of the former.

So by being against birth control, they want to control sex. That's what all these abstinence programs are about. Thinking they can control the sexuality of people.

Abstinence programs don't work. They've never worked. Humans want to have sex and will have sex, regardless of whether they're taught about it or not.

I too want a world with fewer abortions. I recognize that it's ending a potential life, and I'm sure that every woman who goes through it recognizes it as well.

I'm just for the most logical solution to the issue. Not demonizing sex and having birth control readily available and affordable.
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thronedfire2
03/22/18 3:01:36 PM
#37:


HHH is the game posted...
CommonStar posted...
Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means.

In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.


There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life


No you wouldn't, because you wouldn't have existed

You might like your life now but it just as easily could have been shit
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NibeIungsnarf
03/22/18 3:02:01 PM
#38:


HHH is the game posted...
People keep saying they choose the woman's rights over the child's.

To me, one of those people got themselves into this situation, and the other is an innocent victim.

My sympathies lie with the innocent victim.

Nobody recognizes a blob of cells' rights, though.
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CommonStar
03/22/18 3:02:09 PM
#39:


HHH is the game posted...
CommonStar posted...
Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means.

In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.


There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life.

Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place.

The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid.


That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know.
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SageHarpuia
03/22/18 3:02:40 PM
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Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if people thought it was ok to kill a newborn.
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03/22/18 3:02:43 PM
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You have an odd definition of what a baby is
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thronedfire2
03/22/18 3:03:02 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if people thought it was ok to kill a newborn.


That's completely different and you know it
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03/22/18 3:03:06 PM
#43:


HHH is the game posted...
Ray-Ray posted...
when you birth it, yes

as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it


I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)


I don't think how the pregnancy started should have any effect on whether the baby has a right to life. If abortion is banned because of the baby's life, then whether the conception was due to rape should not factor into it.

As for me, I'm pro-choice up until the third trimester or so (basically when the fetus is viable, since if you're going to have an abortion at that point, you might as well try to keep the baby alive).
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03/22/18 3:03:22 PM
#44:


meestermj posted...
Do any of you realize how expensive it is to simply give birth?
$10,000 at the low end.
That's fucking insane. Forcing someone to carry to term and then having them pay $10,000+ for it, then sending that child into the horrendous adoption system, is completely inhumane.


I can only speak for myself but I would much rather go into the adoption system than never get a chance to be alive at all. And everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the woman did not just randomly become pregnant one day. They had to have sex to get pregnant. Even with sex, there are ways to prevent getting pregnant. The woman chose to do this knowing what could happen.

Nobody is forcing them to do anything, because nobody is forcing them to have sex. But if they are going to, they should accept the responsibilities and that now a human life depends on them.
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Pepys Monster
03/22/18 3:04:21 PM
#45:


Zikten posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Zikten posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
If your wife cheated on you and got pregnant, would you still be pro life? I wouldn't. I'd want it aborted.

so now who's anti woman? you just admited to wanting to order your wife to get an abortion. just cause she fucked another man behind your back.

and no I wouldn't. I would be mad. but I wouldn't kill a baby that had nothing to do with it. I might not want to take care of the baby. but I wouldn't kill it

So you'd raise another man's kid that was born because your wife cheated on you. Sad!

no. I literally said I wouldn't want to take care of it. I wouldn't raise it. I would probably divorce her and leave. but i wouldn't kill the baby. you think you have the right to force your wife to abort against her will? you don't. even as a husband. that's illegal. and I am morally opposed to abortion and am not a believer in "the sins of the father". I would not harm a baby for something it didn't do.

What if she wanted to abort the baby? Would you tell her "no, don't abort it!"? Who in their right mind would?
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_Rinku_
03/22/18 3:04:23 PM
#46:


HHH is the game posted...
meestermj posted...
Do any of you realize how expensive it is to simply give birth?
$10,000 at the low end.
That's fucking insane. Forcing someone to carry to term and then having them pay $10,000+ for it, then sending that child into the horrendous adoption system, is completely inhumane.


I can only speak for myself but I would much rather go into the adoption system than never get a chance to be alive at all. And everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the woman did not just randomly become pregnant one day. They had to have sex to get pregnant. Even with sex, there are ways to prevent getting pregnant. The woman chose to do this knowing what could happen.

Nobody is forcing them to do anything, because nobody is forcing them to have sex. But if they are going to, they should accept the responsibilities and that now a human life depends on them.

You wouldn't care because you wouldn't exist.
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thronedfire2
03/22/18 3:04:31 PM
#47:


HHH is the game posted...
meestermj posted...
Do any of you realize how expensive it is to simply give birth?
$10,000 at the low end.
That's fucking insane. Forcing someone to carry to term and then having them pay $10,000+ for it, then sending that child into the horrendous adoption system, is completely inhumane.


I can only speak for myself but I would much rather go into the adoption system than never get a chance to be alive at all. And everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the woman did not just randomly become pregnant one day. They had to have sex to get pregnant. Even with sex, there are ways to prevent getting pregnant. The woman chose to do this knowing what could happen.

Nobody is forcing them to do anything, because nobody is forcing them to have sex. But if they are going to, they should accept the responsibilities and that now a human life depends on them.


The problem is that most of the pro life people are the same idiots preaching abstinence only sex education
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03/22/18 3:04:36 PM
#48:


Abortion is a horrible thing that should be avoided as much as possible that HAS to be legal for the safety of both mothers and potential children. It's that simple.
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HHH is the game
03/22/18 3:05:03 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
HHH is the game posted...
CommonStar posted...
Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means.

In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.


There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life


No you wouldn't, because you wouldn't have existed

You might like your life now but it just as easily could have been shit


Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on. I dont think its right to kill somebody because you decide you dont think their life will be up to standard.
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Zikten
03/22/18 3:05:40 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
What if she wanted to abort the baby? Would you tell her "no, don't abort it!"? Who in their right mind would?

I would tell her that she shouldn't but I would be divorcing her too and she is legally allowed to and I wouldn't be able to stop her. all I could do is tell her I think it's wrong and then wipe my hands of it.

to make it clear, I would divorce her whether she gets the abortion or not. I am divorcing her cause she cheated on me
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 3:05:50 PM
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why do pro-lifers try to demonize sex? why does sex have to have consequences if theres options like abortion?

if i eat the consequences is i get fat, its like pro-lifers say i shouldn't be able to go to a gym
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