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ImTheMacheteGuy 03/22/18 5:44:00 PM #203:	HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... Key posted... I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive. It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it. Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898301723] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to</quote> Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.</quote> It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.</quote> Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive</quote> I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 03/22/18 5:59:47 PM #204:	Does TC know that pro choice =/= pro abortion. There are many of us who are pro choice but don't like abortion as well, we just believe it should be an option and legal because the pros outweighs the cons. Bodily autonomy is always important because you enter a very dangerous path the moment someone loses the right to their body coughsharialawcough Also people who use the argument for foster care, do you guys know what happens to a kid once they hit 18? Kicked out with only so many money in their pocket with a crappy ass job. Not every kid put into the system gets adopted. Your chances of getting adopted only get worst with every day/year passing. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:898302764] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Does TC know that pro choice =/= pro abortion. There are many of us who are pro choice but don't like abortion as well, we just believe it should be an option and legal because the pros outweighs the cons. Bodily autonomy is always important because you enter a very dangerous path the moment someone loses the right to their body coughsharialawcough Also people who use the argument for foster care, do you guys know what happens to a kid once they hit 18? Kicked out with only so many money in their pocket with a crappy ass job. Not every kid put into the system gets adopted. Your chances of getting adopted only get worst with every day/year passing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 6:08:18 PM #205:	Prestoff posted... Your chances of getting adopted only get worst with every day/year passing. Exactly. Unless you're a healthy and white newborn, your odds are pretty abysmal. Over the age of like five, you can statistically bank on not getting adopted. Note the statistically part before anyone comes blubbering in about how their family adopted an eight year old Chinese girl. Outlier. Look it up. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898303326] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Prestoff posted...</cite> <quote>Your chances of getting adopted only get worst with every day/year passing.</quote> Exactly. Unless you're a healthy and white newborn, your odds are pretty abysmal. Over the age of like five, you can statistically bank on not getting adopted. Note the statistically part before anyone comes blubbering in about how their family adopted an eight year old Chinese girl. Outlier. Look it up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 6:25:58 PM #206:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898304387] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. </quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 7:15:18 PM #207:	GiftedACIII posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898307426] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. </quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 7:18:12 PM #208:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... Key posted... I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive. It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it. Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means. As I said I find it a complicated issue. It seems so wrong to me to abort a baby because of circumstances outside of its control, but it also seems wrong to me to be forced to bear a child that is not her fault, and rape is outside of her control as well. I agree though it is tough. In that situation you have two lives, neither of which made a decision, both of which who are going to have to suffer for forces outside of their control. I guess that's what makes it different from me. Like you said if its the mothers life or the babies, or if the mother did not do anything that could reasonably expect pregnancy, you have to choose one, and I kind of understand even though it seems rough. Its only when the womans own decisions led to the baby that I think that she has made her choice and I dont feel guilty prioritizing the babies life. In my opinion, if you have sex you are consenting to the consequences. Man or woman. And this is legally recognized in child support --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898307605] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to</quote> Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.</quote> It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.</quote> Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive</quote> I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means.</quote> As I said I find it a complicated issue. It seems so wrong to me to abort a baby because of circumstances outside of its control, but it also seems wrong to me to be forced to bear a child that is not her fault, and rape is outside of her control as well. I agree though it is tough. In that situation you have two lives, neither of which made a decision, both of which who are going to have to suffer for forces outside of their control. I guess that's what makes it different from me. Like you said if its the mothers life or the babies, or if the mother did not do anything that could reasonably expect pregnancy, you have to choose one, and I kind of understand even though it seems rough. Its only when the womans own decisions led to the baby that I think that she has made her choice and I dont feel guilty prioritizing the babies life. In my opinion, if you have sex you are consenting to the consequences. Man or woman. And this is legally recognized in child support</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/22/18 7:21:19 PM #209:	The question of personhood is, indeed, a difficult one to address. But it's arguable that personhood is truly the key issue when it comes to abortion. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:898307779] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>The question of personhood is, indeed, a difficult one to address. But it's arguable that personhood is truly the key issue when it comes to abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 03/22/18 7:22:28 PM #211:	Zeeak4444 posted... HHH is the game posted... Im actually a liberal thanks. But I just want to say that if you don't want a gun? Don't buy one. I guess we just solved gun control. does that sound right to you? That's one of the stupidest false equivalencies I've ever come across. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:898307841] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Im actually a liberal thanks. But I just want to say that if you don't want a gun? Don't buy one. I guess we just solved gun control. does that sound right to you?</quote> That's one of the stupidest false equivalencies I've ever come across.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 03/22/18 7:25:41 PM #212:	here's the dirty little secret though: most anti-choice people (and certainly the movements) don't actually give a fuck about some unborn babies. they give a fuck about women being promiscuous and enjoying sex because they're insecure and repressed. <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:898308049] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>here's the dirty little secret though: most anti-choice people (and certainly the movements) don't actually give a fuck about some unborn babies. they give a fuck about women being promiscuous and enjoying sex because they're insecure and repressed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 03/22/18 7:26:25 PM #213:	Omnislasher posted... here's the dirty little secret though: most anti-choice people (and certainly the movements) don't actually give a fuck about some unborn babies. they give a fuck about women being promiscuous and enjoying sex because they're insecure and repressed. Well there's a stupid comment if I've ever seen one. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:898308109] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omnislasher posted...</cite> <quote>here's the dirty little secret though: most anti-choice people (and certainly the movements) don't actually give a fuck about some unborn babies. they give a fuck about women being promiscuous and enjoying sex because they're insecure and repressed.</quote> Well there's a stupid comment if I've ever seen one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 03/22/18 7:28:13 PM #214:	nah sorry bud, it's just the truth <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:898308215] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>nah sorry bud, it's just the truth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 7:28:24 PM #215:	BettyB0op08 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life". --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898308231] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>BettyB0op08 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. </quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT</quote> I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 03/22/18 7:29:09 PM #216:	Omnislasher posted... nah sorry bud, it's just the truth Yes, the people free to do whatever they want with their bodies are the repressed ones. Not the ones unable to have sex until marriage. Nope, total freedom there! --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:898308266] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omnislasher posted...</cite> <quote>nah sorry bud, it's just the truth</quote> Yes, the people free to do whatever they want with their bodies are the repressed ones. Not the ones unable to have sex until marriage. Nope, total freedom there!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 03/22/18 7:31:21 PM #217:	i think you might have misunderstood me. maybe i wasn't sufficiently clear. <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:898308407] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>i think you might have misunderstood me. maybe i wasn't sufficiently clear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 03/22/18 7:38:47 PM #218:	Omnislasher posted... i think you might have misunderstood me. maybe i wasn't sufficiently clear. Oh no. I just read it again. I'm just an idiot apparently. My bad. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:898308908] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omnislasher posted...</cite> <quote>i think you might have misunderstood me. maybe i wasn't sufficiently clear.</quote> Oh no. I just read it again. I'm just an idiot apparently. My bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 8:00:40 PM #219:	GiftedACIII posted... BettyB0op08 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life". You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then abort the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898310239] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BettyB0op08 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. </quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT</quote> I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life".</quote> You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then abort the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 8:02:18 PM #220:	Like if you are unable to reliably emotionaly and financially support a child, wtf are you doing having unprotected sex? This goes for men, as well as women. It feels like men actually ARE held accountable with how strict the child support laws are, but women don't seem to be. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898310335] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Like if you are unable to reliably emotionaly and financially support a child, wtf are you doing having unprotected sex? This goes for men, as well as women. It feels like men actually ARE held accountable with how strict the child support laws are, but women don't seem to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 8:08:00 PM #221:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... BettyB0op08 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life". You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then aborot the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion. But it's ok to murder an "innocent baby" just so someone doesn't have to bear it if it's not "her fault". Yeah, this is why we shouldn't be looking at it from a pro-life's perspective. Because they are emotionall, illogical and anti-reality. It's like people campaigning for the rights of sex dolls. HHH is the game posted... Like if you are unable to reliably emotionaly and financially support a child, wtf are you doing having unprotected sex? This goes for men, as well as women. It feels like men actually ARE held accountable with how strict the child support laws are, but women don't seem to be. Is this a serious question? Because they're morons. This is even more reason why abortion is a good thing. Idiots shouldn't be reproducing. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898310649] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BettyB0op08 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. </quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT</quote> I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life".</quote> You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then aborot the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion.</quote> But it's ok to murder an "innocent baby" just so someone doesn't have to bear it if it's not "her fault". Yeah, this is why we shouldn't be looking at it from a pro-life's perspective. Because they are emotionall, illogical and anti-reality. It's like people campaigning for the rights of sex dolls. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Like if you are unable to reliably emotionaly and financially support a child, wtf are you doing having unprotected sex? This goes for men, as well as women. It feels like men actually ARE held accountable with how strict the child support laws are, but women don't seem to be.</quote> Is this a serious question? Because they're morons. This is even more reason why abortion is a good thing. Idiots shouldn't be reproducing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 8:11:22 PM #223:	GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... BettyB0op08 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life". You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then aborot the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion. But it's ok to murder an "innocent baby" just so someone doesn't have to bear it if it's not "her fault". Yeah, this is why we shouldn't be looking at it from a pro-life's perspective. Because they are emotionall, illogical and anti-reality. It's like people campaigning for the rights of sex dolls. I agree this is a tough question. But there's nothing emotional about this. Or at least no more than it should be. Would you not be just as emotional if we were talking about newborn babies? I mean, here's my question. Do you believe a woman who cannot care for a baby who was just born, and cannot give that baby a new life...should she have the right to murder it? remember that this baby wil have a horrible life if it lives. The foster system cannot support it. The woman cannot support it. Would it not be illogical to keep it alive? IF not, how is it different, besides that IN YOUR OPINION, a fetus is not considered 'alive' until it is born? --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898310841] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BettyB0op08 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s*ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant. </quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT</quote> I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life".</quote> You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then aborot the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion.</quote> But it's ok to murder an "innocent baby" just so someone doesn't have to bear it if it's not "her fault". Yeah, this is why we shouldn't be looking at it from a pro-life's perspective. Because they are emotionall, illogical and anti-reality. It's like people campaigning for the rights of sex dolls.</quote> I agree this is a tough question. But there's nothing emotional about this. Or at least no more than it should be. Would you not be just as emotional if we were talking about newborn babies? I mean, here's my question. Do you believe a woman who cannot care for a baby who was just born, and cannot give that baby a new life...should she have the right to murder it? remember that this baby wil have a horrible life if it lives. The foster system cannot support it. The woman cannot support it. Would it not be illogical to keep it alive? IF not, how is it different, besides that IN YOUR OPINION, a fetus is not considered 'alive' until it is born?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 8:19:07 PM #224:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... BettyB0op08 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us. There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life". You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then aborot the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion. But it's ok to murder an "innocent baby" just so someone doesn't have to bear it if it's not "her fault". Yeah, this is why we shouldn't be looking at it from a pro-life's perspective. Because they are emotionall, illogical and anti-reality. It's like people campaigning for the rights of sex dolls. I agree this is a tough question. But there's nothing emotional about this. Or at least no more than it should be. Would you not be just as emotional if we were talking about newborn babies? I mean, here's my question. Do you believe a woman who cannot care for a baby who was just born, and cannot give that baby a new life...should she have the right to murder it? remember that this baby wil have a horrible life if it lives. The foster system cannot support it. The woman cannot support it. Would it not be illogical to keep it alive? IF not, how is it different, besides that IN YOUR OPINION, a fetus is not considered 'alive' until it is born? If the newborn baby is suddenly incapable of leaving the mother's body and continues to stay and use up her nutrients, yes she has the right to forcibly remove it even if that kills it. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898311314] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BettyB0op08 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote> They actually don't. They'd happily make an exception for rape and then act like it's all merry and then forget that the supposed child they're clamoring for got "murdered". They only want to spite people who carelessly have sex and it's just a remnant of the anti-sex before marriage idea that religion has embedded in us.</quote> There is nothing wrong with having sex, just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU CREATE WITH IT</quote> I mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Exactly this. And responsibility is a whole different argument than "child's life".</quote> You fail to see this from the pro-life perspective though. You fail to see that from the pro-life perspective, to people who believe life starts before birth, you are saying that murder is the responsible choice. You are saying that if you cant support a child its ok to create one and then kill it. To me, who believes a baby is a baby before the moment of birth, it sounds like you're saying its ok to have babies, but then if you cant support them you can just kill them later. You would find this appalling with newborn babies but you don't see how to a pro-lifer this is equally appalling. and you seem to think wildly having sex and getting abortions is ok. Which is just...what? Nobody ever said women cant have sex! They just said women cant have sex and then aborot the baby. And obviously this would go for men too but men are not typically a part of the abortion discussion.</quote> But it's ok to murder an "innocent baby" just so someone doesn't have to bear it if it's not "her fault". Yeah, this is why we shouldn't be looking at it from a pro-life's perspective. Because they are emotionall, illogical and anti-reality. It's like people campaigning for the rights of sex dolls.</quote> I agree this is a tough question. But there's nothing emotional about this. Or at least no more than it should be. Would you not be just as emotional if we were talking about newborn babies? I mean, here's my question. Do you believe a woman who cannot care for a baby who was just born, and cannot give that baby a new life...should she have the right to murder it? remember that this baby wil have a horrible life if it lives. The foster system cannot support it. The woman cannot support it. Would it not be illogical to keep it alive? IF not, how is it different, besides that IN YOUR OPINION, a fetus is not considered 'alive' until it is born?</quote> If the newborn baby is suddenly incapable of leaving the mother's body and continues to stay and use up her nutrients, yes she has the right to forcibly remove it even if that kills it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 03/22/18 8:34:16 PM #225:	Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:898312187] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 03/22/18 8:47:47 PM #226:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Who says it's an easy choice? Because you must have missed it, @HHH_is_the_game --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:898313021] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Who says it's an easy choice?</quote> Because you must have missed it, @HHH_is_the_game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AuraBlaze1 03/22/18 8:52:20 PM #227:	I'm for less people being born period. The moment someone is born they are immediately susceptible to suffering without having a choice in the matter (since you can't consent to being born). Even just sitting in a room where nothing could harm you, a person would eventually become bored and hungry. But you can never guarantee that no harm would come to a child, because in order to live in a society you have to interact. Interacting always comes with some sort of risk since you never know what may happen. Not to mention if you got the short end of the stick with your genetics and your own body starts deteriorating from some sort of disease. Doesn't mean that there aren't happy moments, but they are always fleeting since no one is happy everyday all the time. My current life is decent and I have all my basic needs met, but that can easily go downhill quickly if I don't continue working or my health suffers. And it's not like I'm working because I'm enjoying it, though there are some good moments, I do it because it's required to live. Work is mostly just mundane and stressful, which the vast majority of jobs are and what you'll spend most of your life doing. So I don't see the point in bring more people in this world, and I definitely don't see eye-to-eye with pro-life people, although with a different reason than most. Even if you could guarantee a rich and purposeful life full of happiness there's no way to prevent death. Regardless of what religion promises people, no one knows for sure what happens after death since the only way to confirm is to actually die. A person who isn't born doesn't have to experience any suffering, and of the opinion that's the better choice. --- You don't understand because there is nothing to understand. It's nonsense. -Bahamut <cite>AuraBlaze1 posted [p:898313279] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>I'm for less people being born period. The moment someone is born they are immediately susceptible to suffering without having a choice in the matter (since you can't consent to being born). Even just sitting in a room where nothing could harm you, a person would eventually become bored and hungry. But you can never guarantee that no harm would come to a child, because in order to live in a society you have to interact. Interacting always comes with some sort of risk since you never know what may happen. Not to mention if you got the short end of the stick with your genetics and your own body starts deteriorating from some sort of disease. Doesn't mean that there aren't happy moments, but they are always fleeting since no one is happy everyday all the time. My current life is decent and I have all my basic needs met, but that can easily go downhill quickly if I don't continue working or my health suffers. And it's not like I'm working because I'm enjoying it, though there are some good moments, I do it because it's required to live. Work is mostly just mundane and stressful, which the vast majority of jobs are and what you'll spend most of your life doing. So I don't see the point in bring more people in this world, and I definitely don't see eye-to-eye with pro-life people, although with a different reason than most. Even if you could guarantee a rich and purposeful life full of happiness there's no way to prevent death. Regardless of what religion promises people, no one knows for sure what happens after death since the only way to confirm is to actually die. A person who isn't born doesn't have to experience any suffering, and of the opinion that's the better choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 03/22/18 8:57:29 PM #228:	^ have you read David Benatar? <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:898313611] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>^ have you read David Benatar?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 9:02:10 PM #229:	IfGodCouldDie posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Who says it's an easy choice? Because you must have missed it, @HHH_is_the_game Its not about being an easy choice, its about the RIGHT to have an abortion being a difficult argument, not an individual person's decision to have one. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898313903] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Who says it's an easy choice?</quote> Because you must have missed it, @HHH_is_the_game</quote> Its not about being an easy choice, its about the RIGHT to have an abortion being a difficult argument, not an individual person's decision to have one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 9:02:55 PM #230:	Samurontai posted... Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons Is there an argument against murder that isnt based entirely on emotion? --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898313952] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons</quote> Is there an argument against murder that isnt based entirely on emotion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 9:05:47 PM #231:	Like seriously, it's ridiculous to discount an argument as being about 'emotion'. Of course its about emotion. Maybe the problem is youre too...emotionless? There is no real law that says what is right and what is wrong, we have to decide that for ourselves. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898314125] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Like seriously, it's ridiculous to discount an argument as being about 'emotion'. Of course its about emotion. Maybe the problem is youre too...emotionless? There is no real law that says what is right and what is wrong, we have to decide that for ourselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 03/22/18 9:07:15 PM #232:	HHH is the game posted... There is no real law that says what is right and what is wrong, we have to decide that for ourselves. So you are pro-choice? --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:898314203] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>There is no real law that says what is right and what is wrong, we have to decide that for ourselves.</quote> So you are pro-choice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Samurontai 03/22/18 9:11:27 PM #234:	HHH is the game posted... Samurontai posted... Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons Is there an argument against murder that isnt based entirely on emotion? So you dont know what murder is either Not surprised looool --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:898314442] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons</quote> Is there an argument against murder that isnt based entirely on emotion?</quote> So you dont know what murder is either Not surprised looool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 03/22/18 9:16:27 PM #235:	HHH is the game posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Who says it's an easy choice? Because you must have missed it, @HHH_is_the_game Its not about being an easy choice, its about the RIGHT to have an abortion being a difficult argument, not an individual person's decision to have one. Alright fair enough, I must have misinterpreted what you meant in the op when you talked about acting like it's an easy choice. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:898314731] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Who says it's an easy choice?</quote> Because you must have missed it, @HHH_is_the_game</quote> Its not about being an easy choice, its about the RIGHT to have an abortion being a difficult argument, not an individual person's decision to have one.</quote> Alright fair enough, I must have misinterpreted what you meant in the op when you talked about acting like it's an easy choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 03/22/18 9:32:46 PM #236:	HHH is the game posted... Its not about being an easy choice, its about the RIGHT to have an abortion being a difficult argument It isn't a difficult argument to me, women should have the right to an abortion. We can't use organs from dead bodies unless the person consented before they died but we can tell someone that they have to let a parasite(and yes, by definition a fetus is a parasite) occupy their body for 40 weeks? Doesn't make sense. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist <cite>GATTJT posted [p:898315676] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Its not about being an easy choice, its about the RIGHT to have an abortion being a difficult argument</quote> It isn't a difficult argument to me, women should have the right to an abortion. We can't use organs from dead bodies unless the person consented before they died but we can tell someone that they have to let a parasite(and yes, by definition a fetus is a parasite) occupy their body for 40 weeks? Doesn't make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 9:37:02 PM #237:	HHH is the game posted... Samurontai posted... Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons Is there an argument against murder that isnt based entirely on emotion? lmao what kind of first grader's question is this? Yes, it harms society and and is one of the key things needed for a civilized society not to turn into chaos. An official operation with the agreement of everyone involved harms no one except a brainless fetus with no sentience. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898315913] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Has there ever been a pro life argument that isnt entirely based on emotion? The closest I can find are people who are against abortion, but agree thats its a necessity for multiple reasons</quote> Is there an argument against murder that isnt based entirely on emotion?</quote> lmao what kind of first grader's question is this? Yes, it harms society and and is one of the key things needed for a civilized society not to turn into chaos. An official operation with the agreement of everyone involved harms no one except a brainless fetus with no sentience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/22/18 9:50:34 PM #238:	I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:898316662] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/22/18 9:52:09 PM #239:	Ok, the fetus is a baby. I'm still cool with people aborting it. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898316745] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Ok, the fetus is a baby. I'm still cool with people aborting it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/22/18 9:54:18 PM #240:	Dragonblade01 posted... I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed. No, you see pro-lifers can "really feel" it is a precious life and that's okay. But if a SJW "really feels" something, then they are being snowflakes that think their fee fees matter. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898316880] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed.</quote> No, you see pro-lifers can "really feel" it is a precious life and that's okay. But if a SJW "really feels" something, then they are being snowflakes that think their fee fees matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/23/18 6:51:13 AM #241:	Dragonblade01 posted... I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed. This is complete BS. There are tons of laws based on emotional reactions to what is right and wrong. Its like you said. If a woman cannot support a baby and the foster care system is so bad, should she be allowed to murder her newborn? Most I assume would say no, though this is an emotional response to what we believe is right and wrong. By most of the people's logic in this topic she'd actually be doing him a favor, but still most would not support this. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898335089] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed.</quote> This is complete BS. There are tons of laws based on emotional reactions to what is right and wrong. Its like you said. If a woman cannot support a baby and the foster care system is so bad, should she be allowed to murder her newborn? Most I assume would say no, though this is an emotional response to what we believe is right and wrong. By most of the people's logic in this topic she'd actually be doing him a favor, but still most would not support this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 03/23/18 6:54:56 AM #242:	I wonder how many times parasite has been said in here. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:898335156] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many times parasite has been said in here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 03/23/18 11:43:09 AM #244:	HHH is the game posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... Key posted... I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive. It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it. Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means. As I said I find it a complicated issue. It seems so wrong to me to abort a baby because of circumstances outside of its control, but it also seems wrong to me to be forced to bear a child that is not her fault, and rape is outside of her control as well. I agree though it is tough. In that situation you have two lives, neither of which made a decision, both of which who are going to have to suffer for forces outside of their control. I guess that's what makes it different from me. Like you said if its the mothers life or the babies, or if the mother did not do anything that could reasonably expect pregnancy, you have to choose one, and I kind of understand even though it seems rough. Its only when the womans own decisions led to the baby that I think that she has made her choice and I dont feel guilty prioritizing the babies life. In my opinion, if you have sex you are consenting to the consequences. Man or woman. And this is legally recognized in child support To be fair, being created and being born are outside of its control as well. I'm personally not grateful that I was forced to exist, and I don't believe that I would have "suffered" had I been aborted, and in the event I had been, it is my objective opinion that my biological mother would not have done anything wrong had she chosen to go that route. Subjectively, I wouldn't have known what was going on and would just simply have not acquired consciousness to begin with, so any existence I had before gaining the ability to be aware of my existence would have been irrelevant. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898345284] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to</quote> Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.</quote> It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.</quote> Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive</quote> I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means.</quote> As I said I find it a complicated issue. It seems so wrong to me to abort a baby because of circumstances outside of its control, but it also seems wrong to me to be forced to bear a child that is not her fault, and rape is outside of her control as well. I agree though it is tough. In that situation you have two lives, neither of which made a decision, both of which who are going to have to suffer for forces outside of their control. I guess that's what makes it different from me. Like you said if its the mothers life or the babies, or if the mother did not do anything that could reasonably expect pregnancy, you have to choose one, and I kind of understand even though it seems rough. Its only when the womans own decisions led to the baby that I think that she has made her choice and I dont feel guilty prioritizing the babies life. In my opinion, if you have sex you are consenting to the consequences. Man or woman. And this is legally recognized in child support</quote> To be fair, being created and being born are outside of its control as well. I'm personally not grateful that I was forced to exist, and I don't believe that I would have "suffered" had I been aborted, and in the event I had been, it is my objective opinion that my biological mother would not have done anything wrong had she chosen to go that route. Subjectively, I wouldn't have known what was going on and would just simply have not acquired consciousness to begin with, so any existence I had before gaining the ability to be aware of my existence would have been irrelevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/23/18 11:53:15 AM #245:	HHH is the game posted... Dragonblade01 posted... I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed. This is complete BS. There are tons of laws based on emotional reactions to what is right and wrong. Its like you said. If a woman cannot support a baby and the foster care system is so bad, should she be allowed to murder her newborn? Most I assume would say no, though this is an emotional response to what we believe is right and wrong. By most of the people's logic in this topic she'd actually be doing him a favor, but still most would not support this. No, it's not BS. Yes, there exist laws that are based on emotional reactions. That, however, has nothing to do with what I said. Which is that laws should not be based on emotional reactions. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:898345825] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>I won't accept any argument regarding human morality (and especially our laws) that's founded in an emotional response. I want them to be measured decisions where the pros and cons of the actions and their results are carefully weighed.</quote> This is complete BS. There are tons of laws based on emotional reactions to what is right and wrong. Its like you said. If a woman cannot support a baby and the foster care system is so bad, should she be allowed to murder her newborn? Most I assume would say no, though this is an emotional response to what we believe is right and wrong. By most of the people's logic in this topic she'd actually be doing him a favor, but still most would not support this.</quote> No, it's not BS. Yes, there exist laws that are based on emotional reactions. That, however, has nothing to do with what I said. Which is that laws should not be based on emotional reactions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zinezinzadan 03/23/18 7:32:43 PM #246:	mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this. --- i7 6700k @ 4.0GHz / Z170 Extreme 6 SUPER / EVGA GTX1080 / SSD 850 Evo / 2TB HDD / Cooler Master Hyper 2012 EVO <cite>zinezinzadan posted [p:898371784] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><quote> mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/23/18 7:34:13 PM #247:	zinezinzadan posted... mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this. People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898371852] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><quote> mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this.</quote> People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zinezinzadan 03/23/18 7:39:34 PM #248:	hockeybub89 posted... zinezinzadan posted... mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this. People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from. You should pay for your own pleasure. No one gives me a Mercedes payment because I want to indulge in the luxury of a car. --- i7 6700k @ 4.0GHz / Z170 Extreme 6 SUPER / EVGA GTX1080 / SSD 850 Evo / 2TB HDD / Cooler Master Hyper 2012 EVO <cite>zinezinzadan posted [p:898372118] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><quote> mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this.</quote> People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from.</quote> You should pay for your own pleasure. No one gives me a Mercedes payment because I want to indulge in the luxury of a car.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/23/18 7:42:06 PM #249:	zinezinzadan posted... hockeybub89 posted... zinezinzadan posted... mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this. People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from. You should pay for your own pleasure. No one gives me a Mercedes payment because I want to indulge in the luxury of a car. You can pay for unwanted children to not exist or you can pay for a bunch more poor families, mistreated children, and dead women. Pick your poison. Wishing for people to stop having sex is like wishing for world peace. From a utilitarian standpoint, abortion is a no brainer to support. But no, people care about shoving their religion on people and teaching responsibility lessons, to their own detriment. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898372251] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><quote> mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Im tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You dont go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you dont have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if youre not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldnt be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this.</quote> People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from.</quote> You should pay for your own pleasure. No one gives me a Mercedes payment because I want to indulge in the luxury of a car.</quote> You can pay for unwanted children to not exist or you can pay for a bunch more poor families, mistreated children, and dead women. Pick your poison. Wishing for people to stop having sex is like wishing for world peace. From a utilitarian standpoint, abortion is a no brainer to support. But no, people care about shoving their religion on people and teaching responsibility lessons, to their own detriment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tupacrulez 03/23/18 7:46:45 PM #250:	It seems that the question of abortion would come down to when is the thing inside of you a baby? That's a SUPER COMPLICATED QUESTION. There is no answer. Its EXTREMELY philosophical and hard to nail down. Nope. Not hard at all. Its not a person or even close to one till there is brainwave activity. After that point, the argument gets stickier. Before that, its literally a zygote. A tumour. A parasite. Wowweegeewillickers, all finnagered out! --- Suck less, Rock Moar Have I licked butt hole before? All the time. --r4xor <cite>Tupacrulez posted [p:898372480] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><quote>It seems that the question of abortion would come down to when is the thing inside of you a baby? That's a SUPER COMPLICATED QUESTION. There is no answer. Its EXTREMELY philosophical and hard to nail down.</quote> Nope. Not hard at all. Its not a person or even close to one till there is brainwave activity. After that point, the argument gets stickier. Before that, its literally a zygote. A tumour. A parasite. Wowweegeewillickers, all finnagered out!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/23/18 8:01:47 PM #251:	zinezinzadan posted... mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhh personal responsibility... waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh intercourse is the same as impulse-buying a luxury vehicle waaaaaaaaaahhhh waaaahhhhhhhh no fallacy in my argument even though I specifically say people making $15/hr can't afford said car but yet in my scenario they have already purchased it wtf lol waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh and I have the nerve to 'hurr durr' even though I'm literally making a 'hurr durr' argument myself waaaaaaaahhhh waaaahhhhhhhhh waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh 0/10 post bro :( But to be fair, I give my edit of it -1/10 for effort. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898373326] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><quote> mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhh personal responsibility... waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh intercourse is the same as impulse-buying a luxury vehicle waaaaaaaaaahhhh waaaahhhhhhhh no fallacy in my argument even though I specifically say people making $15/hr can't afford said car but yet in my scenario they have already purchased it wtf lol waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh and I have the nerve to 'hurr durr' even though I'm literally making a 'hurr durr' argument myself waaaaaaaahhhh waaaahhhhhhhhh waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh</quote> 0/10 post bro :( But to be fair, I give my edit of it -1/10 for effort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/23/18 8:06:06 PM #252:	zinezinzadan posted... hockeybub89 posted... zinezinzadan posted... mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt. I?m tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You don?t go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you don?t have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if you?re not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldn?t be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this. People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from. You should pay for your own pleasure. No one gives me a Mercedes payment because I want to indulge in the luxury of a car. So... are you saying that if you pay for sex, conception can't occur? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898373559] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>zinezinzadan posted...</cite> <quote><quote> mean, if you are unable to reliably, emotionally and financially support a child, like most people who have abortions, aborting it IS the responsible choice. And don't say adoption when the foster system is already crowded and corrupt.</quote> I?m tired of hearing this. Do you know what real responsibility is? Not having sex if you know you cannot take care of the responsibilities that could potentially arise from it. You don?t go out and buy a luxury sport supercharged Mercedes Benz if you make $15/hr because once the engine blows you don?t have $12,000 to replace. No idiot buys that car on a factory worker wage. Likewise, if you?re not financially ready for a baby, maybe you shouldn?t be doing something that could potentially create a baby? Hurr derr dumb asses of the world go ahead and argue against this.</quote> People have sex for pleasure. Get used to it. This isn't whatever nonexistent year you're from.</quote> You should pay for your own pleasure. No one gives me a Mercedes payment because I want to indulge in the luxury of a car.</quote> So... are you saying that if you pay for sex, conception can't occur?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lubmelubyou 03/23/18 8:18:35 PM #253:	Human life means nothing. Never has, never will because we only care about our immediate selves no matter how much we pretend not to. As far as I'm concerned an abortion can take place any time before it leaves the body as long as it is safe to do so for the woman. --- My Channel for full playthroughs and other things gaming: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgb5tra_kTAbVU_Mb4XeuxQ <cite>lubmelubyou posted [p:898374187] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Human life means nothing. Never has, never will because we only care about our immediate selves no matter how much we pretend not to. As far as I'm concerned an abortion can take place any time before it leaves the body as long as it is safe to do so for the woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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