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Mark_DeRosa
03/23/18 6:49:14 AM
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How most shooters obtain their weapons
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lordofmud
03/23/18 6:57:51 AM
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First, it's a life sentence if you're caught with a gun. Secondly, most shootings that happened a passion shootings somebody gets really heated they going grab a gun and they kill you. Or of course accidents. Would there still be gun-related problems? Absolutely. What is the number of guns was reduced by 99% you would have a huge drop in the number of homicides in this country. Oh, also you would no longer allow the police to have guns except for SWAT teams. So this whole issue of police shootings just goes away. Maybe inspiring communities to actually trust the authorities a little bit more.
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Foppe
03/23/18 7:04:14 AM
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What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.
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SGT_Conti
03/23/18 7:05:03 AM
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But where do the black market guns come from
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Notti
03/23/18 7:06:15 AM
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If you outlaw murder, what about the hitmen who are criminals.

By outlawing murder... Then only the criminals can be murderers! Oh no!
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Foppe
03/23/18 7:07:04 AM
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SGT_Conti posted...
But where do the black market guns come from

When a black male gun falls in love with a black female gun...
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TheCyborgNinja
03/23/18 7:09:18 AM
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Jim Jeffries did a great (too offensive to share here) bit about this... One of the types of people he mocks in an example also applies well to the people making this "but bad guys" argument. America is the only developed nation with out of control gun problems and is the most liberal with the policies surrounding them. It's so fucking dumb.
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Garioshi
03/23/18 7:09:25 AM
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So we should legalize all drugs immediately, right?
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Mark_DeRosa
03/23/18 7:13:20 AM
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lordofmud posted...
First, it's a life sentence if you're caught with a gun. Secondly, most shootings that happened a passion shootings somebody gets really heated they going grab a gun and they kill you. Or of course accidents. Would there still be gun-related problems? Absolutely. What is the number of guns was reduced by 99% you would have a huge drop in the number of homicides in this country. Oh, also you would no longer allow the police to have guns except for SWAT teams. So this whole issue of police shootings just goes away. Maybe inspiring communities to actually trust the authorities a little bit more.

You're fucking insane if you think I would go on patrol without my handgun or my backup handgun.
We would be murdered like it's the purge lmao. I stop a guy for a gun, what's his mindset? That cop doesn't have a gun and I do. I'll just kill him and run instead of going to jail for life
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DezDroppedFreak
03/23/18 7:14:22 AM
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Ok. So you banned guns.
That don't impress me much.
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
03/23/18 7:14:27 AM
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obviously a gun ban would make it harder for anyone selling guns on the "black market". Not only would it make life for illegal dealers harder, but it would also make the weapons more expensive.
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FrisbeeDude
03/23/18 7:22:27 AM
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We don't have sandy hook or parkland if the shooters have to buy their guns off the black market and risk substantial penalty. We more than likely don't have pulse. MAYBE we still get the one in Las Vegas
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QassTank
03/23/18 7:26:42 AM
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I mean, I can make improvised guns that will work for several shots with things I find at Home Depot... Just need some PVC and a nail...

And that's just an improvised shotgun. If I go into 3d printing or actual gunsmithing, it's a whole different ballgame.
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Caution999
03/23/18 8:56:58 AM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
Ok. So you banned guns.
That don't impress me much.


So you have the moves, but have you got the touch?
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Darkman124
03/23/18 9:02:05 AM
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GregShmedley posted...

Mexico.

Much like how the cartels push millions of dollars worth of drugs a year, they'd likely capitalize on a ban.


most of the cartels' guns come from US sellers just over the border on our side

mexico's gun problem originates from the US.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dzsfmf

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/12/462781469/in-mexico-tens-of-thousands-of-illegal-guns-come-from-the-u-s

imo the issue is more that there's already so many guns in circulation and a buyback would be of questionable success here
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Sphyx
03/23/18 9:03:26 AM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
Ok. So you banned guns.
That don't impress me much.

lmao
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Uncle Choad
03/23/18 9:05:14 AM
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lordofmud posted...
First, it's a life sentence if you're caught with a gun. Secondly, most shootings that happened a passion shootings somebody gets really heated they going grab a gun and they kill you. Or of course accidents. Would there still be gun-related problems? Absolutely. What is the number of guns was reduced by 99% you would have a huge drop in the number of homicides in this country. Oh, also you would no longer allow the police to have guns except for SWAT teams. So this whole issue of police shootings just goes away. Maybe inspiring communities to actually trust the authorities a little bit more.


It's a life sentence if you're caught with a gun. Time to not surrender if I get caught with a gun.
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Uncle Choad
03/23/18 9:05:39 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
GregShmedley posted...

Mexico.

Much like how the cartels push millions of dollars worth of drugs a year, they'd likely capitalize on a ban.


most of the cartels' guns come from US sellers just over the border on our side

mexico's gun problem originates from the US.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dzsfmf

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/12/462781469/in-mexico-tens-of-thousands-of-illegal-guns-come-from-the-u-s

imo the issue is more that there's already so many guns in circulation and a buyback would be of questionable success here


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moose_knuckle
03/23/18 9:05:40 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
We don't have sandy hook or parkland if the shooters have to buy their guns off the black market and risk substantial penalty. We more than likely don't have pulse. MAYBE we still get the one in Las Vegas


People who are willing to kill people won't risk it? Ok sure
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FaytlessHearts
03/23/18 9:05:42 AM
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"Ban gunz dey bad" in a world with 3d printers lmfao. What a bunch of fucking idiots.
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Darkman124
03/23/18 9:27:39 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
But to your point, there are a lot of guns of already in circulation so any decline of illegal firearm ownership/use after a ban on legal ownership won't be seen for a long time.


I definitely view this as the fundamental headwind.
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ChainedRedone
03/23/18 9:59:24 AM
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FaytlessHearts posted...
"Ban gunz dey bad" in a world with 3d printers lmfao. What a bunch of fucking idiots.


Hurr gonna shoot up a school with a liberator durr. Hurr I'm going to shit ammo out of my ass. Are you sure they're the idiots?
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creativerealms
03/23/18 10:02:28 AM
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Illegal guns are what should be targeted not legal guns. I think anyone serous about gun control knows that.
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moose_knuckle
03/23/18 10:04:29 AM
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creativerealms posted...
Illegal guns are what should be targeted not legal guns. I think anyone serous about gun control knows that.


Have you not heard the insane screeching of leftist politicians from their mansions with walls and armed guards?
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Patchwork
03/23/18 10:06:05 AM
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Mark_DeRosa posted...
lordofmud posted...
First, it's a life sentence if you're caught with a gun. Secondly, most shootings that happened a passion shootings somebody gets really heated they going grab a gun and they kill you. Or of course accidents. Would there still be gun-related problems? Absolutely. What is the number of guns was reduced by 99% you would have a huge drop in the number of homicides in this country. Oh, also you would no longer allow the police to have guns except for SWAT teams. So this whole issue of police shootings just goes away. Maybe inspiring communities to actually trust the authorities a little bit more.

You're fucking insane if you think I would go on patrol without my handgun or my backup handgun.
We would be murdered like it's the purge lmao. I stop a guy for a gun, what's his mindset? That cop doesn't have a gun and I do. I'll just kill him and run instead of going to jail for life


Seriously.. disarm cops while simultaneously asking them to enforce your gun ban?

What kind of fucking sense does that make?
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iPhone_7
03/23/18 10:10:25 AM
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Go after the manufacturers
offer people cash for their old guns
go after the black market.

But that wong happen so rest easy with a gun under your pillow.
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QassTank
03/23/18 10:12:31 AM
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Patchwork posted...
Mark_DeRosa posted...
lordofmud posted...
First, it's a life sentence if you're caught with a gun. Secondly, most shootings that happened a passion shootings somebody gets really heated they going grab a gun and they kill you. Or of course accidents. Would there still be gun-related problems? Absolutely. What is the number of guns was reduced by 99% you would have a huge drop in the number of homicides in this country. Oh, also you would no longer allow the police to have guns except for SWAT teams. So this whole issue of police shootings just goes away. Maybe inspiring communities to actually trust the authorities a little bit more.

You're fucking insane if you think I would go on patrol without my handgun or my backup handgun.
We would be murdered like it's the purge lmao. I stop a guy for a gun, what's his mindset? That cop doesn't have a gun and I do. I'll just kill him and run instead of going to jail for life


Seriously.. disarm cops while simultaneously asking them to enforce your gun ban?

What kind of fucking sense does that make?

Right?

So you disarm cops. Now the criminal with a gun, who is getting locked up for the rest of his life if apprehended, just as if he kills someone, has no incentive to be taken alive, or even not to shoot the officer. The officer can't defend himself because he doesn't have a gun.

Lots of dead cops, which means less people are going to want to be police officers, thus leading to less enforcement of any laws.

Congratulations, with your stupid attempt at banning guns you've managed to throw us into basically the state of nature as Hobbes described it. No government, no security, and bare existence. Life becomes solitary, brutish, and short.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
03/23/18 10:12:47 AM
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Foppe posted...
What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.

Ahh and in the meantime the victims of those crimes will just be sacrificed for the greater good since they will be unable to defend themselves?
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Foppe
03/23/18 10:46:12 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Foppe posted...
What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.

Ahh and in the meantime the victims of those crimes will just be sacrificed for the greater good since they will be unable to defend themselves?

Why is those deaths unacceptable while the deaths of school shootings are acceptable?
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Darkman124
03/23/18 10:46:52 AM
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Foppe posted...
Why is those deaths unacceptable while the deaths of school shootings are acceptable?


because he gets to keep his masculinity identifier in the acceptable outcome
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darkjedilink
03/23/18 10:48:43 AM
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Foppe posted...
What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.

Until the Dems sell them back to Mexican drug Lord's again.
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VectorChaos
03/23/18 10:49:56 AM
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Foppe posted...
What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.


Just like those illegal drugs are going to dry out any minute now, right?
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darkjedilink
03/23/18 10:50:01 AM
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Foppe posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Foppe posted...
What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.

Ahh and in the meantime the victims of those crimes will just be sacrificed for the greater good since they will be unable to defend themselves?

Why is those deaths unacceptable while the deaths of school shootings are acceptable?

Why are school shooting deaths unacceptable to you, but break-in deaths are acceptable?
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silentwing26x
03/23/18 10:51:40 AM
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The number of mass shootings is very low. There are hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of gun owners in America.

So the amount of gun violence is blown out of proportion.
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Fam_Fam
03/23/18 10:55:23 AM
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silentwing26x posted...
The number of mass shootings is very low. There are hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of gun owners in America.

So the amount of gun violence is blown out of proportion.


so if we make more guns, and violence stays the same, things are improving?

shootings/guns is a stupid metric
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Foppe
03/23/18 10:58:48 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Foppe posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Foppe posted...
What happen with the black market guns when the police arrests the criminals using them?
They will slowly dry out.

Ahh and in the meantime the victims of those crimes will just be sacrificed for the greater good since they will be unable to defend themselves?

Why is those deaths unacceptable while the deaths of school shootings are acceptable?

Why are school shooting deaths unacceptable to you, but break-in deaths are acceptable?

I thought that the chance of the homeowner owning a gun prevented all break-ins?
Or does that only work on kids that intend to end their life with suicide by cop after getting revenge on their school?
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Darkman124
03/23/18 10:59:20 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
silentwing26x posted...
The number of mass shootings is very low. There are hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of gun owners in America.

So the amount of gun violence is blown out of proportion.


so if we make more guns, and violence stays the same, things are improving?

shootings/guns is a stupid metric


there may be value in the argument that a buyback would have an exceptionally high ratio of cost to lives saved, however.

especially considering the strength of gun culture here--you can't buyback at MSRP. people will refuse.
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Darkman124
03/23/18 11:17:32 AM
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GregShmedley posted...

Come on, man. That's a loaded question and an inappropriate answer.


i know.

i wouldn't say the same of you, or most gun owners.

skepticism of the proposed solution paths working here, i get.
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silentwing26x
03/23/18 11:19:24 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
silentwing26x posted...
The number of mass shootings is very low. There are hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of gun owners in America.

So the amount of gun violence is blown out of proportion.


so if we make more guns, and violence stays the same, things are improving?

shootings/guns is a stupid metric


If you make more guns and violence doesn't increase, then that proves that it's not the guns themselves. Mass shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon, likely exacerbated by increases in mental illness and the internet making it easy for copycats to spring up.

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silentwing26x
03/23/18 11:20:07 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
especially considering the strength of gun culture here--you can't buyback at MSRP. people will refuse.


Good. 2nd amendment rights are absolutely critical for our future.
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Foppe
03/23/18 12:00:09 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Darkman124 posted...
Foppe posted...
Why is those deaths unacceptable while the deaths of school shootings are acceptable?


because he gets to keep his masculinity identifier in the acceptable outcome


Come on, man. That's a loaded question and an inappropriate answer.

I see what you did there.
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RE_expert44
03/23/18 1:19:11 PM
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Just take everyone's guns by force. That never ended bad in the past
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03/23/18 1:22:05 PM
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RE_expert44
03/23/18 1:23:02 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
Mass shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon

Mass shootings have been a thing in America since at least the 1700s
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Questionmarktarius
03/23/18 1:24:09 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mass shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/early-american-mass-murder-changes-common-perceptions-of-crime

Mass shootings have been a thing in America since at least the 1700s

Hold on... that one wasn't really a "shooting". Oops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
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