Current Events > Do Conservative politics have a place in the modern world?

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What do you think?
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Hell no!
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What are conservative politics
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i think the most 'sane' point conservatives bring up is out of control spending and their desire to curtail it to prevent economic disaster, but they delegitimize themselves by going after "entitlement" programs designed for struggling people instead of corporate welfare subsidies (along with decreasing tax on the ultra wealthy) when wealth disparity is at an all time high. also just looking at this most recent spending bill it seems to me as if none of them really believe any of the fiscal responsibility rhetoric they ran on.

tldlr same old same old
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Conservatives are terrible terrible people

No. Not being a liberal should be punishable by imprisonment or death.
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yes. But not the Republican party of the last 25 years.

A Rand Paul style party though....
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Not the extreme kind.
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foreveraIone posted...

A Rand Paul style party though....

Would also suck.
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Kombucha posted...

i think the most 'sane' point conservatives bring up is out of control spending and their desire to curtail it to prevent economic disaster, but they delegitimize themselves by going after "entitlement" programs designed for struggling people instead of corporate welfare subsidies (along with decreasing tax on the ultra wealthy) when wealth disparity is at an all time high. also just looking at this most recent spending bill it seems to me as if none of them really believe any of the fiscal responsibility rhetoric they ran on.

tldlr same old same old

Those entitlement programs combine to make up over 2/3 of the federal debt. You absolutely cannot fix spending without massive cuts to entitlement programs.

And "wealth disparity" is just more Communist bullshit from the left.
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Trump is on the verge of getting NK to give up it's nukes and we have topics like this.

Sore losers can't face facts, it was NOT her turn
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Anteaterking posted...

foreveraIone posted...

A Rand Paul style party though....

Would also suck.

I mean compared to wreck of the modern GOP...or even the gwb era?

nah
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The majority of working citizens think so.
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foreveraIone posted...

I mean compared to wreck of the modern GOP...or even the gwb era?

nah

What policy changes would Rand Paul make that would make the GOP better while still representing the part of our society that supports the GOP?
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Anteaterking posted...

foreveraIone posted...

I mean compared to wreck of the modern GOP...or even the gwb era?

nah

What policy changes would Rand Paul make that would make the GOP better while still representing the part of our society that supports the GOP?

none of that war hawk crap.

that's a big one.
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darkjedilink posted...

Kombucha posted...

i think the most 'sane' point conservatives bring up is out of control spending and their desire to curtail it to prevent economic disaster, but they delegitimize themselves by going after "entitlement" programs designed for struggling people instead of corporate welfare subsidies (along with decreasing tax on the ultra wealthy) when wealth disparity is at an all time high. also just looking at this most recent spending bill it seems to me as if none of them really believe any of the fiscal responsibility rhetoric they ran on.

tldlr same old same old

And "wealth disparity" is just more Communist bullshit from the left.

it has nothing to do with communism, a strong middle class and a living wage are great thing for capitalism. during points of extreme wealth disparity we witnessed economic disasters such as the great depression. believe it or not, capitalism functions better when people have some portion of wealth to spend and put back into the economy. why do you think stimulus packages were ever a thing during the last recession? i suppose bush was a communist that hated capitalism.
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Kombucha posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Kombucha posted...

i think the most 'sane' point conservatives bring up is out of control spending and their desire to curtail it to prevent economic disaster, but they delegitimize themselves by going after "entitlement" programs designed for struggling people instead of corporate welfare subsidies (along with decreasing tax on the ultra wealthy) when wealth disparity is at an all time high. also just looking at this most recent spending bill it seems to me as if none of them really believe any of the fiscal responsibility rhetoric they ran on.

tldlr same old same old

And "wealth disparity" is just more Communist bullshit from the left.

it has nothing to do with communism, a strong middle class and a living wage are great thing for capitalism. during points of extreme wealth disparity we witnessed economic disasters such as the great depression. believe it or not, capitalism functions better when people have some portion of wealth to spend and put back into the economy. why do you think stimulus packages were ever a thing during the last recession? i suppose bush was a communist that hated capitalism.

The wealth disparity you're complaining about is entirely a result from there being more self-made millionaires in America now than at any point in history. Upward mobility is a thing.

And I notice you're only countering the last point - not the one about how complaining that we can't touch entitlement programs is EXACTLY how we're in the financial quagmire we're in right now.
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Right-wing politics killed JFK (not joking).
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in general, probably
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darkjedilink posted...

And I notice you're only countering the last point - not the one about how complaining that we can't touch entitlement programs is EXACTLY how we're in the financial quagmire we're in right now.

$1.3 trillion omnibus spending package for fiscal 2018, including nearly $700 billion for the military and $591 billion for non-defense funding.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/22/heres-what-military-gets-13-trillion-omnibus-spending-bill.html

tfw the defense budget makes up the majority of our government spending in an entire fiscal year,
can't believe those entitlement programs are sucking us dry ;_;

if only we could find a way to pay for them.
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Kombucha posted...

darkjedilink posted...

And I notice you're only countering the last point - not the one about how complaining that we can't touch entitlement programs is EXACTLY how we're in the financial quagmire we're in right now.

$1.3 trillion omnibus spending package for fiscal 2018, including nearly $700 billion for the military and $591 billion for non-defense funding.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/22/heres-what-military-gets-13-trillion-omnibus-spending-bill.html

tfw the defense budget makes up the majority of our government spending in an entire fiscal year,
can't believe those entitlement programs are sucking us dry ;_;

if only we could find a way to pay for them.

In one year.

It hasn't been more than 18% of total federal spending in over a decade previous.

It's still less than 20% of the national debt. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, however, combine to make up 65% of the federal debt.

It literally is entitlement programs sucking us dry.
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darkjedilink posted...

Kombucha posted...

darkjedilink posted...

And I notice you're only countering the last point - not the one about how complaining that we can't touch entitlement programs is EXACTLY how we're in the financial quagmire we're in right now.

$1.3 trillion omnibus spending package for fiscal 2018, including nearly $700 billion for the military and $591 billion for non-defense funding.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/22/heres-what-military-gets-13-trillion-omnibus-spending-bill.html

tfw the defense budget makes up the majority of our government spending in an entire fiscal year,
can't believe those entitlement programs are sucking us dry ;_;

if only we could find a way to pay for them.

In one year.

It hasn't been more than 18% of total federal spending in over a decade previous.

It's still less than 20% of the national debt. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, however, combine to make up 65% of the federal debt.

It literally is entitlement programs sucking us dry.

That doesn't make sense. George W. Bush doubled the debt from $5.8 trillion while Obama added $7.917 trillion.

Everything you mentioned existed previous to both their administrations. George W. Bush only managed to pass a Medicare plan.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Kombucha posted...

darkjedilink posted...

And I notice you're only countering the last point - not the one about how complaining that we can't touch entitlement programs is EXACTLY how we're in the financial quagmire we're in right now.

$1.3 trillion omnibus spending package for fiscal 2018, including nearly $700 billion for the military and $591 billion for non-defense funding.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/22/heres-what-military-gets-13-trillion-omnibus-spending-bill.html

tfw the defense budget makes up the majority of our government spending in an entire fiscal year,
can't believe those entitlement programs are sucking us dry ;_;

if only we could find a way to pay for them.

In one year.

It hasn't been more than 18% of total federal spending in over a decade previous.

It's still less than 20% of the national debt. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, however, combine to make up 65% of the federal debt.

It literally is entitlement programs sucking us dry.

That doesn't make sense. George W. Bush doubled the debt from $5.8 trillion while Obama added $7.917 trillion.

Everything you mentioned existed previous to both their administrations. George W. Bush only managed to pass a Medicare plan.

What doesn't make sense about it? You don't think Social Security debt just disappeared, do you? No, it gets bigger at an exponential rate every year because we spend far more than we take in every year. Medicare and Medicaid are fiscal black holes that nobody ever manages to reduce spending on.
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Kombucha posted...

darkjedilink posted...

And I notice you're only countering the last point - not the one about how complaining that we can't touch entitlement programs is EXACTLY how we're in the financial quagmire we're in right now.

$1.3 trillion omnibus spending package for fiscal 2018, including nearly $700 billion for the military and $591 billion for non-defense funding.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/22/heres-what-military-gets-13-trillion-omnibus-spending-bill.html

tfw the defense budget makes up the majority of our government spending in an entire fiscal year,
can't believe those entitlement programs are sucking us dry ;_;

if only we could find a way to pay for them.

The spending bill only address discretionary spending which is about a third of the overall budget which includes mandatory spending (mainly entitlements) and interest payments.
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darkjedilink posted...

What doesn't make sense about it? You don't think Social Security debt just disappeared, do you? No, it gets bigger at an exponential rate every year because we spend far more than we take in every year. Medicare and Medicaid are fiscal black holes that nobody ever manages to reduce spending on.

We went from a president with yearly surpluses and 5.8 trillion debt to 11.6 trillion debt with no changes to Medicaid and Social Security.
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emblem boy posted...

What are conservative politics

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foreveraIone posted...

yes. But not the Republican party of the last 25 years.

A Rand Paul style party though....

Or even better, Ron Paul.
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Well they dominate America which is part of the modern world so yes.
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Absolutely. Conservative policies are a necessary antidote to the evil of the modern left. Who's going to fight against racism and protect the first four amendments? Who's going to keep the economy out of the toilet from unrealistic regulations? Who's going to teach all these leftie assholes that bigotry and segregation is morally wrong and outdated?

darkjedilink posted...

It's still less than 20% of the national debt. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, however, combine to make up 65% of the federal debt.

This is just a straight up lie.

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

Punctus_Pilot posted...

darkjedilink posted...

It's still less than 20% of the national debt. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, however, combine to make up 65% of the federal debt.

This is just a straight up lie.

Nope.
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No place in the modern world? You mean the modern world where the republicans have control of all three branches of government?
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gbpxl posted...

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

Many conservative governments agree with these points though.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

No place in the modern world? You mean the modern world where the republicans have control of all three branches of government?

how's that been working out for you?
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There are no conservative politics. Just people-screwing policies being sugarcoated with conservative-sounding speak.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

No place in the modern world? You mean the modern world where the republicans have control of all three branches of government?

how's that been working out for you?

We'll see who has control in November.

Lol this topic hahaha
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

No place in the modern world? You mean the modern world where the republicans have control of all three branches of government?

how's that been working out for you?

Pretty great. Economy is killing it every day. Unemployment lowest in 2 decades and small businesses are able to thrive with the many many stifling regulations cut.
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gbpxl posted...

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

Weird how liberals choose to deny basic science facts to make crazy people feel ok
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gbpxl posted...

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5D_ltpw7CI" data-time="
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I guess free markets and small government have their uses.
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EastKingStar posted...

gbpxl posted...

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

Weird how liberals choose to deny basic science facts to make crazy people feel ok

Global warming - and science in general - is racist and sexist. Also, you have an 836,942% chance of being shot the moment you walk out your front door. That chance increases a hundred fold if you go to school.
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darkjedilink posted...

EastKingStar posted...

gbpxl posted...

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

Weird how liberals choose to deny basic science facts to make crazy people feel ok

Global warming - and science in general - is racist and sexist. Also, you have an 836,942% chance of being shot the moment you walk out your front door. That chance increases a hundred fold if you go to school.

See I would believe you were just joking if you didn't also firmly believe that liberals caused your divorce.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

EastKingStar posted...

gbpxl posted...

No, they don't. Conservative thinking holds us back.

Global warming is real.
Science is real.
Facts matter.

Weird how liberals choose to deny basic science facts to make crazy people feel ok

Global warming - and science in general - is racist and sexist. Also, you have an 836,942% chance of being shot the moment you walk out your front door. That chance increases a hundred fold if you go to school.

See I would believe you were just joking if you didn't also firmly believe that liberals caused your divorce.

90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

"Global warming is real! Science matters! Facts are real!"

Science also says there's only two genders.

"NUH UHH!!"
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Annihilated posted...

Who's going to fight against racism

he said while a literal Nazi runs for Congress as a Republican.
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