Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 17: Taking the fight to Múspell

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Dark Young Link
05/10/18 4:52:28 AM
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Dark Young Link
05/10/18 5:09:12 AM
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And on the subject of the recent chapter...

Ylgr: Who are you guys?

Also Ylgr: *Address the player by name without being told their name*


Also, if anyone told me that I would be investing in a Clair about a week ago(or at any point in time really), I would have laughed. Yet here I am, eagerly waiting to level her tomorrow and even use some dew on her.
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Grimmer
05/10/18 8:00:40 AM
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I decided to try one last time for Hinoka and got a Shiro instead. -Spd + Res, the exact opposite of my other one that I merged him into. Right on time for his arena rotation. These are supposedly the next units.

Ares: Black Knight
Lene: Yearning Dancer
Ishtar: Thunder Goddess
Male Kana: Dragon Spawn
Female Robin: Mystery Tactician
Ike: Young Mercenary
Shiro: Raw Talent
Klein: Silver Nobleman
Amelia: Rose of the War
Anna: Commander

In other news, Shigure is the demotee from the last banner. Was kinda hoping for Kana but he's a good unit with a nice lance to inherit.
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barreldragon88
05/10/18 1:02:44 PM
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I got ANOTHER -Atk Ike when I was going for Hinoka, so if I decided to actually invest him, he becomes pretty good with the bonus, but I'd rather just use Klein, who becomes deadly with buffs. Ike is just Swordbreaker fodder at this point since no one actually wants HB as A slot ;(

Clair is also someone I wouldn't mind investing in at some point. I sent one home before her upgrade news came out, but she provides a unique niche for fliers. Camilla before her, though, since I always wanted to use her and now there's a good reason to. Minerva is still best green flier
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05/10/18 2:00:00 PM
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Azp2k32
05/11/18 10:34:02 AM
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I really can't justify pulling on this banner. Lene fills a niche I already have covered (and is likely to get demoted), I already have no use for my existing Red Cavalry no matter how good they are, and I already have six solid Blue Mages.

Kinda miss not being done with PvE content and not having pretty much every role filled with backups to spare. It's left me at a point where my only progression comes from merges and some select skill inheritances (Aether/Galeforce, DC, Wrath) for the sake of progressing toward finally hitting T20. Unless there's a truly unique role filled by a completely new banner unit, or the unit is a high BST armor/dragon, there's no point to me pulling on a new unit banner. Even if I "whale" within my means for doing so, pulling enough just to get a +2 of a random new unit gets me absolutely nowhere except further away from progression when a more relevant banner inevitably pops up.
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Yankees
05/11/18 8:36:06 PM
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I'm not really feeling the banner either. Nothing really unique from a gameplay perspective, and I haven't played the game that they're from. Another cavalry can help me field another cavalry team for arena assault, but it's not really worth it for that.

I'll be hitting 1000 orbs soon. Going all in for a merged 5* is becoming a possibility, but that doesn't sound like such a great deal to me.
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Lopen
05/11/18 8:43:04 PM
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Dancer is cute but yeah I'll wait for her to become 4* to maybe use one as a dancer cause I haven't played her game and have no attachment beyond that. Pass on the banner for me too. Can rebuild orb supply.
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Team Rocket Elite
05/11/18 9:17:51 PM
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I'm currently at a little over 1250 Orbs myself. Having over 1000 Orbs is kinda annoying because the counter stops at 999. Your true Orb count is buried under a few layers of menus. I guess it also tells you your true Orb count if you attempt to summon. Going for a 5* +10 is quite expensive. On average you need 1200 when targeting a Green unit on a 3 character banner and 1900 when targeting a Red on a 4 character banner. So I still don't have enough Orbs to confidently attempt to get a 5* +10.
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barreldragon88
05/12/18 5:04:24 PM
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Ughhh, still no defense wins after swapping in Jakob, and the bonus boost isn't helping things
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Lopen
05/12/18 6:34:19 PM
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Kinda at a loss on who to start +10ing next. Out of Tharja copies so she's hung at +7 for now. Out of Valter copies at +4. Would like to start on a Blue or Green rather than another Red or I'd consider Selena. I guess Cordelia is okay but I kinda wanna hold out and see what Fiora or Farina turn out as in this game before committing to a Pegasus.

I dunno. Anyone got any ideas for 3-4* bases to start +10ing. Or maybe there's some good SI fodder to feather.
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Dark Young Link
05/12/18 6:51:18 PM
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For blues I've heard good things about Donnel and Lukas, the latter being a fantastic physical wall. Both of them have a respectable 35 base at neutral(which means 38 boon) Effie or Gwendolyn if you're concerned about arena score.

There's also Nowi, but zzzzz

Greens I can personally vouch for Nino. Cherche is supposed to be a fantastic flier, but you mentioned wanting to hold out for the Pegasus sisters. Otherwise, Fae, Raven, or Sheen would probably be good choices.
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Lopen
05/12/18 7:00:18 PM
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I like Cherche but I wonder how much benefit she really gets out of +10. The 5* one I have with Brave Axe and Deathblow seems powerful enough to kill most things and since she's punting 2 stats I wonder about the real value in merging.

I don't particularly need a physical wall. Matthew is more than sufficient to tank pretty much everything I come across in all content. Were I to do that with Blue I'd probably do it with Oboro anyway she seems to have a decent defensive stat spread. Not many copies though and none with the nature I want.
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Luis_Sera89
05/12/18 7:07:30 PM
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I was gonna say those are solid characters but not necessarily Lopen characters.

Peri is both a bit different whilst still being viable but she might be a bit much even for Lopen.
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Dark Young Link
05/12/18 7:13:10 PM
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He prefers the less traveled path when it comes to characters?

(Well with +10ing Serra and Matthew....)
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Lopen
05/12/18 9:42:20 PM
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I wish I liked Peri more. She has a cool stat spread too. Something about the character just doesn't work for me though.

But yeah obviously I'm going to be kinda selective since I have kinda eccentric tastes in FE characters. I'm more just hoping one of the strong non-red +10 candidates gels with a character I'd kinda like to +10

Which I guess Cherche kinda does but *shrug
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Yankees
05/12/18 9:57:53 PM
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I'm kinda in the same place now. Fae is done, and Tharja and Eirika are stalled at +8. I don't really like the blue options that much. Cordelia is probably the closest, but I'm not sure I want to do that. Soren is the other one that I'm considering.

I think Cherche doesn't benefit very much from the merges. Like Reinhardt. Merges that don't grant attack points don't help her.
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Lopen
05/12/18 10:03:04 PM
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Her HP and Def are high enough that she gets some marginal benefit from that (she can often tank a double from blues and greens) but yeah I'm inclined to agree that's why I didn't just go in on her to begin with
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greengravy294
05/12/18 10:11:01 PM
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peri is cool too bad lopen has bad taste in non selena/severa characters
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Dark Young Link
05/12/18 10:16:02 PM
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I honestly can't imagine using Peri without prematurely muting my phone.
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KamikazePotato
05/12/18 10:48:03 PM
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Peri may actually be the worst character in the series
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MrSmartGuy
05/13/18 12:05:13 AM
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Peri has incredible voice clips in Heroes. I've heard the Fates VA and it is in fact awful, but every time I hear "iiiiiiiiiit's time" in FE:H, I crack up.
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Dark Young Link
05/13/18 12:11:54 AM
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Reminder that Peri's VA in Fates is literally Tommy Pickles

(Which I find more funny than bad or good)
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Azp2k32
05/13/18 12:15:22 AM
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I finally leveled my Peri today and the voice lines definitely stood out. I don't know if it's just because older characters mostly didn't have voice acting so there's less pressure to adhere to a certain voice or if it's just because Fateswakening are newer and have more exaggerated anime casts, but I feel like a lot of the characters from older games really don't have particularly distinctive of voices. Like, a lot of them can blend together a lot more easily than that of some of the characters from the newer games that have particular quirks to how they speak.
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mcflubbin
05/13/18 12:27:53 AM
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MrSmartGuy posted...
Peri has incredible voice clips in Heroes. I've heard the Fates VA and it is in fact awful, but every time I hear "iiiiiiiiiit's time" in FE:H, I crack up.

Same, tbh. "Iiiiiiiiiit's time" might be one of my favorite voice lines in the game. Never fails to make me laugh. Only other line I can think of like that is "I'm Siegbert!"
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Xuxon
05/13/18 12:28:26 AM
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i'm not the biggest fan of Peri's voice in FEH, but i like it a lot better than that actress's other roles (Minerva and Hinoka)
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Dark Young Link
05/13/18 12:30:07 AM
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I won't lie, I actually do love the "iiiiiiiiiits time" line.
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Kenri
05/13/18 11:32:00 AM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Peri may actually be the worst character in the series

Definitely bottom 5.
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Azp2k32
05/14/18 9:27:00 AM
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Pretty fun GHB. Don't really feel like there's a super obvious "just cheese with horses/fliers" or "just stack wards on armor" answer to it. Reinforcements are pretty reasonable; they seem to spawn only as you beat down the original force, i.e. I got slammed with like 7 reinforcements in one turn when I killed almost all of the original force that turn, but if you're just chipping away one at a time, they'll spawn at a more reasonable rate. Enemy force is just infantry and an armor late. Beat it with Ref'd Lilina, Ref'd Felicia, P!Azura and Genny.
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Grimmer
05/14/18 9:59:38 AM
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Took a few tries to get it right, but flier emblem took care of it. NY Azura, Summer Corrin, NY Camilla, and Myrrh. Camilla could probably have been someone else. She only killed two things at the end. It was a fun one.
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Dark Young Link
05/14/18 7:18:07 PM
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First time in a long time I had to beg for a win. A Sigbert was kind enough to give me 500 feathers, so at least I got something for my defense wins.

To be fair, it's always harder for me to get a def win when I run two greens(Nino makes Lyn redundant to boot), so maybe things will be easier when I replace her with Ike/M.Kana.
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Dark Young Link
05/15/18 11:33:56 AM
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https://imgur.com/6vRprDs (Rip embedding)

It's my birthday so I decided to complete my first +10. Yes Nino is a common project. She was one of my favorite characters way back in 7. She's been through so much, I wanted the very best for her.
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Grimmer
05/15/18 11:43:03 AM
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Congrats on finishing your first project. Who is next?

Oh, and happy birthday
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Dark Young Link
05/15/18 11:56:27 AM
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Thank you!

I don't have anyone set in stone yet, but I do have a few prospects.

There's Sheena, who I can +7(Well, once I get the feathers), but she wants expensive SI to truly complete so she's more of a side project until then.

There is Clair who I have have 6 merges waiting for her. Really digging her new refine. I bought SoV semi recently, and I liked her in it so far. I'll probably focus on her since I don't see myself getting spare DC/VF fodder unless I luck the fuck out(and I"m trying my best not to spend orbs until CYL2). So Clair is probably next on the list.

Still on the lookout for distant future red merge project applicants. Considering Chrom.
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barreldragon88
05/15/18 12:15:18 PM
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So we can't battle in Lunatic in GC until tier 4? What's the point of dragging things even longer?? This event was already too long, and now it's even more of a grind...
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Yankees
05/15/18 8:31:29 PM
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That's the problem with armors. They want such rare skills. I haven't invested too much in any of them.

Red has a lot of units with good merge potential. I'd go Marth over Chrom for the really nice team support his weapon gives him. Can't go wrong with Adult Tiki either.

It's too bad Clair looks much better in SoV. I'd still build her if I could pull a good one
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Dark Young Link
05/15/18 9:58:08 PM
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Me: Amelia lead? Yeah, sure.

Game: https://imgur.com/a/Xzjyr6B

Forgot that bonus units are bait. Both pullable horses were, of course, +10 (Lost two, but they didn't get a def win out of me)
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KamikazePotato
05/15/18 10:26:42 PM
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Clair and Mae both look really bad compared to Echoes. It's hard to match up to Echoes' art style but *still*.
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Dark Young Link
05/15/18 11:13:54 PM
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And I just got a defense win.

Maybe it wasthe double greens holding me back last season.
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Lopen
05/15/18 11:22:06 PM
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If you're not getting any defense wins yeah there's something wrong with your teamcomp. I regularly get between 5 and 10.
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Dark Young Link
05/15/18 11:23:53 PM
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Lopen posted...
I regularly get between 5 and 10.


o.o

What's your def team?
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Lopen
05/15/18 11:34:01 PM
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Serra +10 (+ATK/-DEF, Absorb+ (Dazzling), Recover+, Miracle, Spd+3, Wrathful Staff 3, Spur Def/Res 3, Atk+3 Seal)

Matthew +10 (+SPD/-ATK, Rogue Dagger+ (Def), Close Counter, Reposition, Ignis, Close Counter, Seal Attack 3, Atk Smoke 3, Distant Def 3 Seal)

Tharja +7 (+SPD/-DEF, default skills + Draw Back, Glimmer, Swift Sparrow 3, Desperation 3, Spd +3 Seal) or
Valter +4 (default skills + Reposition, Drag Back and Fury 3, and Guidance 3 Seal)

(don't like doubling down on color-- especially since I have two colorless)

Bonus Unit

This week running Robin F+1 with Gronnowl+ (Def) and Quick Riposte 3, and Panic Ploy Seal + Tharja. Actually only have one defense win so far this round though. Well I had Valter + Robin F till just now which may have mattered-- I think Tharja has a lot more built in synergy with the team since Rogue Dagger is kinda ridiculous with blade tome, and I tend to run her if I can. But who knows.
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Lopen
05/15/18 11:37:26 PM
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I will say I bet it's possible I get a lot of "pity wins" where I kill one unit and the opponent just surrenders.

With me at least if I see a team I don't see often I am more inclined to surrender to them if they kill one of my units, than if it has Horselyn and Reinhardt #503. My team is usually pretty unique considering the three anchors so it's probably less annoying to lose a unit to for some people at least. And/or having more units people don't see much makes it harder to counterplay.
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Lopen
05/16/18 12:03:29 AM
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Random aside I picked Birthright up again (never actually got through it all only fully beat Conquest) in hopes I'd get more attached to a unit of 3*-4* rarity so I could have another +10 project

Unfortunately the three I'm gaining the most fondness for are Orochi (who isn't in the game yet despite 19 versions of Azura), Saizo (who would be yet another colorless so avoid), and Oboro (who I was already considering but I don't have enough copies to come close to humoring it)

Sucks, man.
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KamikazePotato
05/16/18 12:38:55 AM
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Time to start sniping blue from now on!
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NeoElfboy
05/16/18 12:54:40 AM
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I surrender most often to teams that use characters I like, I'm shallow. I wonder how many people are similar. If I actually cared about defence wins (I almost always get one and if I don't, no big) maybe I'd throw together some weird theme team and try to get people to surrender for the lulz.

If IS actually cared about the mechanic they'd make the defence team stuff far more in-depth, you'd get feathers based on rate of wins (not how many you get - one of the worst things is this is hugely dependent on what score bracket you're in) and rate of characters killed, etc., and give us detailed info on this so we could improve. But they probably like arena being a relatively casual mode.

Oboro is at least 3-4* so if you just start hoarding the ones you get there's a decent chance you'll be able to make a project out of her eventually.

KamikazePotato posted...
Clair and Mae both look really bad compared to Echoes. It's hard to match up to Echoes' art style but *still*.


Yeah, seconding this. Alm too.
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barreldragon88
05/16/18 12:55:10 AM
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My defense team of BK, Vector, Nowi, and bonus doesn't get as many wins as one would expect. I've subbed H!Jakob for BK and this hasn't changed a whole lot. Not sure what is the issue here since it's a really solid team
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Lopen
05/16/18 1:00:45 AM
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I find armors generally easy to play around, personally. I think on a defense team you should try to avoid armors at this point since most people have probably learned how to play around them or are bringing units to explicitly counter them if they can't.
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Lopen
05/16/18 1:05:39 AM
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Also yeah I think the problem is that I don't draw that much blue in the first place

Though I do have 11 Cordelias somehow to my 3 Oboros.
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KamikazePotato
05/16/18 1:07:47 AM
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Horse + dancer cancer will always be the best strat for maximizing defense wins. All it takes is one fight on that stupid boat where you literally have nothing you can do to prevent a death. Armor is the best player-controlled class but they AI isn't great with them you can initiate or bait them on your own terms much more easily than versus horses.
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