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swordz9
05/19/18 4:21:17 PM
#51:


Oh god I thought Flashs writing couldn't get worse and then I saw the latest two episodes. Cant wait to see what they pull outta their ass for the finale
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PrivateBiscuit1
05/20/18 9:40:43 AM
#52:


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Oh god I thought Flashs writing couldn't get worse and then I saw the latest two episodes. Cant wait to see what they pull outta their ass for the finale

"Now DeVoe can't hide from us now."

BARRY. YOU KNOW THAT HE CAN CHANGE HIS APPEARANCE AND JUMP THROUGH WORMHOLES TO ANYWHERE!

God damn just admit that your wife is worthless and that her idea was fucking dumb. It's insulting that they had to BS a way for it to work and that they assume everyone is telling the truth and not just 90% trolling Iris' stupid blog.
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Dancedreamer
05/20/18 12:39:16 PM
#53:


Iris stated that the purpose of the article was so people could protect themselves. I thought the idea was dumb at first -- but mainly because I didn't realize Iris would write it anonymously.

Barry's statement at the end was pretty dumb, but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that it worked. Especially since I think the idea was to find out where DeVoe's been rather than where he is now. Sure, people could be trolling them. But typically citizens of comic book cities are either hopelessly optimistic (Flash) or Terrible people who deserve an earthquake Machine to destroy their city (Arrow).
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swordz9
05/20/18 12:41:56 PM
#54:


I thought it was hilarious when Iris was all SHE STABBED ME WITH A SWORD! when Iris was the one who impaled herself with it
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My Immortal
05/20/18 1:30:13 PM
#55:


swordz9 posted...
I thought it was hilarious when Iris was all SHE STABBED ME WITH A SWORD! when Iris was the one who impaled herself with it

Okay I get everyone but me hates Iris but let's be honest, she was trying her best to stab Iris with said sword.
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swordz9
05/20/18 1:33:58 PM
#56:


She was, but that doesnt change the fact that Iris rammed it into her own body. I mean she had a gun and tried to fight close combat against somebody with a sword which was pretty dumb too. In a way its kinda funny her dad literally beat a robot samurai with a sword without getting a single injury XD
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scarletspeed7
05/20/18 1:35:42 PM
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My Immortal posted...
Okay I get everyone but me hates Iris but let's be honest

I don't hate Iris! I hate nepotism though. Bring back Lois Lane Iris goes to Reporting School.
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Dancedreamer
05/20/18 1:39:37 PM
#58:


My Immortal posted...
Okay I get everyone but me hates Iris but let's be honest, she was trying her best to stab Iris with said sword.


I like Iris. Actually I like every character on Flash. Even Cecile, despite giving the worst possible defense ever.
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Dancedreamer
05/20/18 1:40:26 PM
#59:


swordz9 posted...
She was, but that doesnt change the fact that Iris rammed it into her own body. I mean she had a gun and tried to fight close combat against somebody with a sword which was pretty dumb too. In a way its kinda funny her dad literally beat a robot samurai with a sword without getting a single injury XD


It's almost like Joe's a cop and Iris is a reporter!
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swordz9
05/20/18 2:02:30 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
swordz9 posted...
She was, but that doesnt change the fact that Iris rammed it into her own body. I mean she had a gun and tried to fight close combat against somebody with a sword which was pretty dumb too. In a way its kinda funny her dad literally beat a robot samurai with a sword without getting a single injury XD


It's almost like Joe's a cop and Iris is a reporter!

Yeah, but hes like 50 years old and was fighting a bulletproof robot. Iris was just fighting a woman with a sword while she had the advantage of having a gun!

The CW really just needs to learn that characters like Iris and Felicity work best when theyre in the background and not the center of focus. Nobody really had problems with either until they started getting way more screen time which was almost always dumb drama
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scarletspeed7
05/20/18 2:13:30 PM
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I would argue that's the reason Legends dwarfs both Arrow and Flash consistently now. Everyone is competent enough for the position they hold. In fact, the show goes to lengths to make it SEEM like they're incompetent in order for them to come together and exceed expectations all the time. Characters like Felicity and Iris, who either come in with competence and then fail to live up to it or suddenly skyrocket in supposed value to the group and then do the same, are exactly what hurts the most on these shows. I understand why the writers are doing this, and it COULD work, but this isn't how it does.
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mnkboy907
05/20/18 2:22:01 PM
#62:


At the very least I feel like they should've given Iris and especially Felicity basic self-defense training, so that it's not completely stupid when they rush into dangerous situations. Like if Iris had had off and on training scenes throughout the season, then the fight with Marlize would've been more practical. Same with Felicity running into the police station.
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Dancedreamer
05/20/18 2:33:22 PM
#63:


I really don't get the hate for Iris. She and Barry have little relationship drama, and are one of the healthiest couples in the arrowverse. She hasn't edged Cisco OR Caitlyn or Harry out of the show to make more room for her.

Felicity, I get. She's gone from a quirky character to a Mary Sue who has an unhealthy relationship with Oliver.

Like, can you imagine if the Arrow writers took over for Flash? Iris would have spent at least 6 episodes whining about Barry's decision at the end of season 3.
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scarletspeed7
05/20/18 2:36:20 PM
#64:


Dancedreamer posted...
I really don't get the hate for Iris. She and Barry have little relationship drama, and are one of the healthiest couples in the arrowverse.

I don't think they hate for Iris is for her relationship at all. I think people just don't accept that she was positioned as the leader of the group early on.
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swordz9
05/20/18 2:36:40 PM
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In Flashs case it really hurts the good cast they already have. Iris is taking away screen time that would be better spent on Cisco, Wells or Caitlin. I mean if we have good parts of that it can at least sorta make up for the bad writing with the main villain. Not only is his plan ridiculously stupid hes also been presented as so completely OP the only way you can see Barry winning is major asspulls because he couldnt even handle this guy when he was like 90% paralyzed
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Snake5555555555
05/20/18 3:22:35 PM
#66:


I don't hate Iris but I do find her to be a very boring, vanilla character. I don't think she's taking much screentime from anyone, especially not Caitlin, she's been very front-and-center this season.
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swordz9
05/20/18 3:27:33 PM
#67:


What. Remember the whole Caitlin go put out that fire/s part and then it literally never happened? On the subject of Caitlin though her character has been all over the place lately. Going from Ill do anything to get rid of Killer Frost shes terrible to Ill even help criminals to keep Killer Frost so quickly just feels weird. Ciscos off this season too. Him not putting up any kind of fight to keep Gypsy feels strange.
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Snake5555555555
05/20/18 3:42:09 PM
#68:


Yeah I'm definitely not saying the front-and-center thing has been good for her. Everything about Killer Frost and Caitlin is sloppy and super-abrupt.
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Corrik
05/20/18 4:01:03 PM
#69:


Arrow and Flash are so bad anymore. Thinking about dropping both. Shame cuz they both had awesome first seasons. Flash ruined arrow though. Arrow wasn't supposed to have super power stuff like this.
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mnkboy907
05/20/18 11:36:38 PM
#70:


Watched the Arrow, Gotham, and SHIELD finales today.

Arrow: Ugh. Diaz is seriously going to bleed into next season? Fuck Laurel. Oh boy Oliver's in prison, this is what I watch this show for, yay. And man, if they were going to go through the trouble of getting Caity Lotz in, they really couldn't actually give Sara a scene with her father? Her being there was so wasted.

SHIELD: Man that Fitz fake-out death was great. I completely forgot all about cryo-Fitz, and I ain't even mad they pulled a fast one because fuck no FitzSimmons can't die. Really solid stuff all around. Poor Talbot. Also I'm glad they're not forcing themselves to adhere to Infinity War.

Gotham: I still enjoy most of the characters, and I enjoy watching them scheme and backstab each other all the time, and in general I just enjoy how over the top and gruesome it is. So this finale was still great. I liked Grundy and I'm sad to see him go, but Penguin's moment there was awesome. It's odd they're completely ignoring Ivy again, though. Should've at least given her a little scene at the end, setting up shop in a park or something. Next season should still be really good.
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scarletspeed7
05/20/18 11:41:57 PM
#71:


mnkboy907 posted...
Oh boy Oliver's in prison, this is what I watch this show for, yay.

Research Green Arrow: Supermax. Rumor has it that's the next season.
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swordz9
05/20/18 11:57:36 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
Oh boy Oliver's in prison, this is what I watch this show for, yay.

Research Green Arrow: Supermax. Rumor has it that's the next season.

Are you confident the writers wont find a way to make it terrible though? >__>
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scarletspeed7
05/21/18 12:03:04 AM
#73:


I'm a little more confident that a creative shake-up (which starts next season) might yield something different, at least.
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mnkboy907
05/21/18 12:56:48 AM
#74:


Well if it somehow means the entire show is Oliver in prison and the rest of the cast is gone maybe that'd actually be alright.
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Dancedreamer
05/21/18 10:10:59 AM
#75:


Arrow's finale was a total letdown.

Why is the FBI so set on sending Oliver to jail? So much so that they'll let Diaz walk free? It's so stupid. It can't be just vigilantism because they literally gave 5 other people immunity for their vigilantism. What, to just catch one guy? And Oliver going to the FBI was dumb in the first place. I know it's frowned upon, but call up the Legends. Call up Barry. Call up Kara. Hell, call up Slade Wilson or literally anyone else. You've got a lot of friends who would be more than happy to help. If you called up the Legends, Quentin would still be alive. They'd also be a lot more useful than the FBI. But I could forgive ALL OF THAT if there were some sort of purpose to Oliver going to the FBI. Like if Amanda Waller were waiting for him, and inviting him to join Checkmate. Or if the FBI were going to have him work for them now. Nope. Prison. And of course they don't even get Diaz.
A two bit thug who lost to Wild Dog in a fight.

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swordz9
05/22/18 12:21:31 AM
#76:


Flash finale tomorrow
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tcaz2
05/22/18 11:49:56 PM
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https://imgur.com/9OaG7JC

EDIT: Okay I have no idea why this isn't direct linking to the image WHATEVER POINT STANDS
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swordz9
05/23/18 1:41:11 AM
#78:


tcaz2 posted...
https://imgur.com/9OaG7JC

EDIT: Okay I have no idea why this isn't direct linking to the image WHATEVER POINT STANDS

That is so perfect.

So did the Flash S4 finale suck or was it ok? I wont be able to see it for a couple days still
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Snake5555555555
05/23/18 1:50:33 AM
#79:


Pretty much blew. Better than Arrow I guess if that's saying anything.
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tcaz2
05/23/18 1:53:49 AM
#80:


I said on the TV board, its a very solid 'meh'.

The main plot was dumb and extremely poorly executed, but there were a couple of parts that redeemed it very slightly, so it wasn't god awful or anything, but it was a very bad season finale. I'd have called it a well below average regular episode were it one.
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My Immortal
05/23/18 9:50:41 AM
#81:


I thought the Flash finale was okay. Better than I expected, given the season.

I thought it was weird how no one cared about trying to save any of the other bus metas. Shouldn't they all have been alive in DeVoe's mind still? Or did I miss something that made Ralph special?

Also mystery girl being Nora was the obvious answer but man I was really hoping they would swerve there.


Corny, but Flash has always been a little corny. Hopefully next season finds it's legs better.
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tcaz2
05/23/18 9:55:11 AM
#82:


My Immortal posted...
I thought it was weird how no one cared about trying to save any of the other bus metas. Shouldn't they all have been alive in DeVoe's mind still? Or did I miss something that made Ralph special?


It was Ralph's body.
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My Immortal
05/23/18 9:55:42 AM
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Oh, duh. I missed the obvious. Thanks.
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mnkboy907
05/23/18 9:57:05 AM
#84:


I can't say I'm expecting much from it so these reactions are no surprise. Will be watching tonight.

At least there's still Supergirl!
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swordz9
05/23/18 11:15:04 AM
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Even though I havent seen it yet I feel like I have a decent idea what S5 will be about and Im not happy about it
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scarletspeed7
05/23/18 11:27:39 AM
#86:


Season 5 has the potential to be the worst season yet, after that finale! It's definitely going in a retread direction only with less compelling characters.
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swordz9
05/23/18 11:43:09 AM
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I really hope they get their shit together. Theyve thrown away so many characters and potential stories they couldve done. Like I dont even know much of anything about comics, but theyve basically neglected a lot of Flashs villains and other characters. How about bringing back GRODD or something for S5?
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Snake5555555555
05/23/18 11:55:38 AM
#88:


Grodd's a little played out if you ask me. I honestly think the best direction is Rogues but it'll never happen. The episode True Colors especially showed how great it is to have a bunch of villains from different backgrounds and origins teaming up and I'd love to see that expanded on more.
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scarletspeed7
05/23/18 12:01:09 PM
#89:


The Rogues require writers who know how to write compelling villains. I hate to say it, but Flash does not have that anymore.
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swordz9
05/23/18 12:01:24 PM
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I say Grodd because hes at least alive so they could use him. The Rogues Im familiar with arent even part of the show anymore sadly

Captain Cold - got Legendsd
Heatwave - got Legendsd
Weather Wizard - I dont even remember what they did with him. I feel like we last saw him in S2? Did he go to meta pipeline after that?
Mirror Master - cant remember what the show even did with him. I feel like we last saw hi with that Top girl and I cant remember what happened to either of them
Captain Boomerang - I think he died didnt he?

Feels like they dont have much to work with there given what they did >_>
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PrivateBiscuit1
05/23/18 12:07:31 PM
#91:


Earth 2 Rogues that are just different characters entirely, not played by the same people.

I am 100% okay with recasts. Captain Cold was never much like Captain Cold anyway, same with Heatwave. Just give us all new characters that are more like the comic counterparts or something.
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swordz9
05/23/18 12:13:51 PM
#92:


They could do that, but theyd need a way to actually make it to Earth 1. Shouldnt be difficult to have them somehow get there though. Probably too much effort for the writers though. Why do that when we can have a season about mystery girl and probably time travel screwups again
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scarletspeed7
05/23/18 1:05:44 PM
#93:


Or we just wait until season 7 and recast everybody. #ThankYouCrisis #WeWantWallpunches
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swordz9
05/23/18 3:09:07 PM
#94:


For those who finished which was worse?

Flash S3 or S4

Savitar or The Thinker

I realize this is quite possibly the hardest question to answer
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tcaz2
05/23/18 3:13:37 PM
#95:


I honestly think they're about the same, just for different reasons.
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swordz9
05/23/18 3:16:44 PM
#96:


Im not sure if Thinker or Savitar was a bigger waste of time. Need to see the finale still, but I feel like this season might be the worst yet. Then again last season made the super awful decision to get rid of the best character of the season for the worst character on the show so...maybe S3 really was worse. Tough choice. Its always sad seeing a show destroy itself
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My Immortal
05/23/18 3:17:38 PM
#97:


S4 was far worse, both overall and the main villain.

I don't think S3 was that bad.
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swordz9
05/23/18 4:09:30 PM
#98:


S3 had a lot of bad stuff. Introducing Wally and then doing nothing worthwhile with him. Same for Jesse to really. Savitars big reveal and defeat were super bad as well. Literally a Speed God hyped up all season for like the lamest possible payoff there could be. Thats just stuff I remember too. There were probably other bad/forced drama moments too in there with the result of Barry messing with time again
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mnkboy907
05/24/18 12:26:02 AM
#99:


I still think Season 3 was worse. 4's writing was bad, but the show still remembered to have fun from time to time. Season 3 was just too "DC universe".

The finale was... okay. Resolution was kinda lame (all those powers and then none of them actually mattered in the end... also they stretched out the DeVoe Clone fight for no real reason other than to kill time since Barry could've raced to the exit at literally any point), and it's like they realized it was lame so they shoehorned in the satellite crashing so they could actually have some high stakes action even though it was just kinda silly.

Also does Dibny not have all the extra powers after getting control of his body back? I don't think they ever actually said anything about that, though I don't see why they'd really be gone just because one personality got wiped out.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/24/18 7:15:45 AM
#100:


I think it would have made more sense if DeVoe's abilities in his mind kind of faltered once Ralph was fighting back against him. Like, when he has more control or determination, DeVoe's abilities fall off in his head because he's focusing on keeping control too much, and all he can do is throw weaker bodies at him. Or if they had to beat so many of his bodies to weaken a barrier DeVoe had in his mind for Barry to break through. I dunno. It was sloppy and bothersome. They could have done much better. Also, why set up that stuff with Caitlyn in the last episode with no attempt to make a resolution with it? That's just poor timing.

Anyway, at least Supergirl is............... passable? Sometimes. It hasn't bothered me nearly as much as it does at peak Supergirl, so that's a good sign. I think the whole Kara/Mon-El storyline sorta sucks though, and that brings it down. And Kara being a fucking idiot when it comes to Lana is dumb too and Lana is totally in the right of everything. I find the cult stuff interesting though, I like Reign well enough, but whenever they have stuff like Alex trying to be a good surrogate mom it sort of sucks. This is a show that is somehow better when they don't focus on their actual real life drama.
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