Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 175: Caution, This Topic Contains

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MWC, children are required by compulsory education laws to attend school from the age of six to the age of sixteen. Essentially, they are forced to attend school. If you then force them to attend school under the watch of teachers who are essentially armed guards, then you are subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment, as they are being imprisoned for committing no crime.
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Inviso posted...

MWC, children are required by compulsory education laws to attend school from the age of six to the age of sixteen. Essentially, they are forced to attend school. If you then force them to attend school under the watch of teachers who are essentially armed guards, then you are subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment, as they are being imprisoned for committing no crime.

But again, this already happens. Just not the teachers. Clearly armed guards isn't what makes it a prison.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Inviso posted...

MWC, children are required by compulsory education laws to attend school from the age of six to the age of sixteen. Essentially, they are forced to attend school. If you then force them to attend school under the watch of teachers who are essentially armed guards, then you are subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment, as they are being imprisoned for committing no crime.

But again, this already happens. Just not the teachers. Clearly armed guards isn't what makes it a prison.

Teachers don't currently have weapons in-school, no.
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Inviso posted...

MWC, children are required by compulsory education laws to attend school from the age of six to the age of sixteen. Essentially, they are forced to attend school. If you then force them to attend school under the watch of teachers who are essentially armed guards, then you are subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment, as they are being imprisoned for committing no crime.

Devil's advocate here. Arming teachers is a stupid idea, but this line of reasoning is really bullshit. Guns or no guns, a school isn't a prison.
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DeepsPraw posted...

Guns or no guns, a school isn't a prison.

A lot of teenagers would disagree with you.
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So schools themselves violate the 8th amendment? Welp, time to ban all schools

see? stupid argument
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Inviso posted...

MWC, children are required by compulsory education laws to attend school from the age of six to the age of sixteen. Essentially, they are forced to attend school. If you then force them to attend school under the watch of teachers who are essentially armed guards, then you are subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment, as they are being imprisoned for committing no crime.

I dunno how the other topic finished so quickly but this is probably one of the worst posts I have EVER seen on here.
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DeepsPraw posted...

Inviso posted...

MWC, children are required by compulsory education laws to attend school from the age of six to the age of sixteen. Essentially, they are forced to attend school. If you then force them to attend school under the watch of teachers who are essentially armed guards, then you are subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment, as they are being imprisoned for committing no crime.

Devil's advocate here. Arming teachers is a stupid idea, but this line of reasoning is really bullshit. Guns or no guns, a school isn't a prison.

I'm just using the same bullshit logic MWC does of twisting the bill of rights to suit my argument.
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Also, requiring armed teachers is a horribly bad idea.
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Corrik posted...

Also, requiring armed teachers is a horribly bad idea.

Get out.

Inviso posted...

I'm just using the same bullshit logic MWC does of twisting the bill of rights to suit my argument.

Why would you stoop to that level?
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Arming teachers presents hundreds of problems, whereas the reason to do it is achieved by other methods.
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So Jakyl, do you still think MWC is a mainstream conservative?
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I think the conclusion is inescapable. Compulsory education is unconstitutional and violates human rights.
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red sox 777 posted...

I think the conclusion is inescapable. Compulsory education is unconstitutional and violates human rights.

Unconstitutional how?
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redrocket posted...

So Jakyl, do you still think MWC is a mainstream conservative?

Not on all issues, but I do think hes closer than ever to being one.

And its not him thats changed.
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Jakyl25 posted...

redrocket posted...

So Jakyl, do you still think MWC is a mainstream conservative?

Not on all issues, but I do think hes closer than ever to being one.

And its not him thats changed.

*Rolls eyes*
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I think the conclusion is inescapable. Compulsory education is unconstitutional and violates human rights.

Unconstitutional how?

Violates 5th Amendment (taking away liberty without due process), 13th Amendment (compulsory labor without a conviction for any crime) and 14th Amendment (equal protection). And as many have already pointed out, it is cruel and unusual punishment.
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red sox 777 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I think the conclusion is inescapable. Compulsory education is unconstitutional and violates human rights.

Unconstitutional how?

Violates 5th Amendment (taking away liberty without due process), 13th Amendment (compulsory labor without a conviction for any crime) and 14th Amendment (equal protection). And as many have already pointed out, it is cruel and unusual punishment.

Are we seriously fighting each other for the worst possible posts today? Jesus. You guys post so much nonsense it is ridiculous.
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Humor is usually lost on this board, I should remember this.
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red sox 777 posted...

Humor is usually lost on this board, I should remember this.

It's not humor when all you ever do in these topics is show up and spout bullshit that you don't actually believe, whether it's in the name of 'humor' or 'starting a conversation'
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red sox 777 posted...

Humor is usually lost on this board, I should remember this.

I mean, humor doesn't get lost if it's actually funny.
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Like seriously your schtick ceased to generate posts worth reading ages ago.
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red sox 777 posted...

Humor is usually lost on this board, I should remember this.

When people are posting shit like this normally, you have to assume you are not joking in regards to it. If you are joking, then all is good.
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Red sox, if someone else had made that post, I would probably think it was (an attempt at) a joke. In your case, you should probably make it clear.
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Corrik, whats your opinion on mandatory education?
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redrocket posted...

So Jakyl, do you still think MWC is a mainstream conservative?

what part of this conversation is supposed to prove he's not
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, whats your opinion on mandatory education?

That it is a good thing.
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In this instance I think he's fine
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, whats your opinion on mandatory education?

That it is a good thing.

I was kinda asking for more detail on to what age should it be mandatory, and what punishments should be for parents who dont comply?
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kevwaffles posted...

Red sox, if someone else had made that post, I would probably think it was (an attempt at) a joke. In your case, you should probably make it clear.

It was obviously a joke because, unlike his serious posts, it actually has some degree of internal logic.
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I know Rand Paul has said that universal health care would be akin to slavery for doctors. I wonder if he has any hot garbage libertarian takes on education.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I know Rand Paul has said that universal health care would be akin to slavery for doctors. I wonder if he has any hot garbage libertarian takes on education.

I promise you that he does
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Rand proposes to restore the parental right to be responsible in educating children. He supports reduced taxes so that parents can allocate more of their own funds to homeschooling, if they so desire.

Yep!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, whats your opinion on mandatory education?

That it is a good thing.

I was kinda asking for more detail on to what age should it be mandatory, and what punishments should be for parents who dont comply?

I think that is up to federal and state levels to decide.

I don't mind countries (who always post misleading stats on education) that make high school non-compulsory and more merit based.

But, children should go to school from a young age. I am fine with 5. And at least go to school until they are of an age they can understand abstract thinking.

5-14 maybe at the least. I am fine with the current system as is also.

Fining parents I think is kind of dumb after a certain student age. I think students should just be required to make up days missed in not reasonable excess and be automatically failed if they do not make them up. Rather a parent be fined only if a student under the age of 13 did not make up classes in addition to them being held back. Above age 13, I think the fault should lie on the student. Without reasonable reason they should have to make up the not reasonable excess. If they don't they are held back and their license is held back from them for say 6 months every year it happens.

I know parents whose child simply willfully skips and they do not know how to stop it and it falls back on them. That is fine up to a certain age, but at some age, it needs to transfer to the students responsibility.

I'd but not reasonable excess as days over 10% of the year missed without legitimate medical reasoning.

I think 18 missed days out of 180 with excuses for a reasonable amount is fine. Maybe 10 excused abscesses. 2 allowable misses without excuse per quarter for up to 8 a year.
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How old are the kids who willfully skip and their parents dont know what to do?
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12/7/2017
THE HILL - Trump considering spy network to combat 'deep state' enemies: Intercept

The Trump White House is reportedly considering a proposal for a global, private spy network to counter 'deep state' enemies who want to undermine Trumps presidency, according to a report in The Intercept.

The proposals for the network were reportedly developed by Blackwater founder Erik Prince who is also the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos as well as retired CIA officer John Maguire and Oliver North, who was heavily involved in the Iran-Contra scandal and was reportedly brought on board to sell the effort to the administration.

The spies would be off the books, sidestepping official U.S. intelligence agencies and would report directly to CIA Director Mike Pompeo, according to current and former U.S. intelligence officials, the Intercept reported.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/363308-trump-considering-global-spy-network-to-combat-deep-state-enemies

Article's from December, but this stinks to me after some changes since then.

Mainly:

1) Erik Prince was just revealed to be in the Trump Tower meeting from August 2016 (not the original "Trump Tower meeting" we're used to talking about from June 2016).

2) Oliver North became President of the NRA earlier this month at a time when we're learning more about how Russia's funded them.

Meanwhile, Mike Pompeo was voted to be the new Secretary of State and Gina Haspel has filled his former position at the CIA. I don't know much about John Maguire.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I know Rand Paul has said that universal health care would be akin to slavery for doctors. I wonder if he has any hot garbage libertarian takes on education.

no standards, no money, do what you want with it. Thats the summary.
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Jakyl25 posted...

How old are the kids who willfully skip and their parents dont know what to do?

Usually teenagers.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How old are the kids who willfully skip and their parents dont know what to do?

Usually teenagers.

That's as easy as taking phones away, though.
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Kenri posted...

redrocket posted...

So Jakyl, do you still think MWC is a mainstream conservative?

what part of this conversation is supposed to prove he's not

The part where literally no conservative pundits or politicians are advocating that all teachers be required to arm themselves.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How old are the kids who willfully skip and their parents dont know what to do?

Usually teenagers.

That's as easy as taking phones away, though.

Lol nope.
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Trump says that he will "demand that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/20/trump-to-demand-an-investigation-into-fbi-probe-of-2016-campaign.html

If he follows through, this is a Big Fucking Deal. This should be impeachable (though, of course, it won't be). Fuck him.
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Do i even want to tag this
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/998187672979038208?s=21

Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story indicating that the Worlds most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!

I like that Trump has Crooked Power Rankings
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/998191501451628544?s=21

...in the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.

I also like that he categorizes Republicans and Real Americans as distinct
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LordoftheMorons posted...

If he follows through, this is a Big Fucking Deal.

That is a big "if" though. I do agree though, in that it likely causes key resignations at DOJ.

Jakyl25 posted...

Crooked Power Rankings

next containment topic to gain the contest discussion flair as we determine the crooked xstats
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/998194013193822208?s=21

Now that the Witch Hunt has given up on Russia and is looking at the rest of the World, they should easily be able to take it into the Mid-Term Elections where they can put some hurt on the Republican Party. Dont worry about Dems FISA Abuse, missing Emails or Fraudulent Dossier!

How many Dems up for election are even allegedly tied to any of those things?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump says that he will "demand that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/20/trump-to-demand-an-investigation-into-fbi-probe-of-2016-campaign.html

If he follows through, this is a Big Fucking Deal. This should be impeachable (though, of course, it won't be). Fuck him.

If he doesnt trust the Department of Justice to act fairly, why would he trust their own self-assessment now?
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