Current Events > "There's no such thing as biological sex."

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How Jordan Peterson is even to seriously address this without busting out in laughter is beyond me.
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How is it possible to have babies then?
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I would argue that GENDER is a social construct. Sex is a biological thing.
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How it is you listen to Jordan Peterson addressing anything is beyond me.
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I'm curious as to what science the guy is referring to that disproves it.
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Did that clown say "cis-normative" ? And he's in a University ? FFS North America...
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DarthWendy posted...

Did that clown say "cis-normative" ? And he's in a University ? FFS North America...

They are a Professor even.

Sometimes people say things that are wrong. More at eleven.

Does anyone on the left even believe that? I thought the left stance was that biological sex and gender were too different things?

Anyway the more I hear from Jordan Peterson the more I hate the man.
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Howl posted...

DarthWendy posted...

Did that clown say "cis-normative" ? And he's in a University ? FFS North America...

They are a Professor even.

That's precisely the tragedy.
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This is why Trump won
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Sometimes people say things that are wrong. More at eleven.

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Only wackos believe biological sex isn't a thing.
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creativerealms posted...

Does anyone on the left even believe that? I thought the left stance was that biological sex and gender were too different things?

I'm more on the Left, and that's definitely what I believe. Biological sex =/= gender, I mean. Biological sex is scientifically proven; gender is a bit more complicated.
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NeonOctopus posted...

This is why Trump won

Yep the regressive right and their spokes people like Peterson are why Trump won.
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Liberals have jumped the shark

Philip Batterham, President of the International Genetics Federation, acknowledges that some women have Y chromosomes.
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gunplagirl posted...

Philip Batterham, President of the International Genetics Federation, acknowledges that some women have Y chromosomes.

aren't they talking about chromosomal disorders or something? some people have extra chromies.
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At this point it's not a left or right political thing. If you're denying biological sex you're just a looney.
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Abyssea posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Philip Batterham, President of the International Genetics Federation, acknowledges that some women have Y chromosomes.

aren't they talking about chromosomal disorders or something? some people have extra chromies.

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.

But not all intersex conditions result from extra chromosomes. A number of conditions that result in painful and erratic menses are associated with intersex conditions.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

creativerealms posted...

Does anyone on the left even believe that? I thought the left stance was that biological sex and gender were too different things?

I'm more on the Left, and that's definitely what I believe. Biological sex =/= gender, I mean. Biological sex is scientifically proven; gender is a bit more complicated.

Gender isnt that much more complicated imo. Its basically youre a guy biologically and you can have different skill sets and interests, like cooking or gardening, but despite that youre still male. Doesnt matter what you feel like lol.

And Im astonished that people can say such stupid and wrong things like Theres no such thing as biological sex. This is one of the few instances where I support the death penalty. You should be round up and executed if you vocally make this known that is what you truly think on multiple occasions. Much like how Singapore you can be executed for graffiti, harsh, but better in the long run for the country and nearly impossible to be in a situation where youre making graffiti, its not like stealing food because youre poor lol. Same thing here, dont say such stupid things that go against common sense and what you learn as a seven year old based on scientific fact and its practically impossible to have misfortune come your way.
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creativerealms posted...

Does anyone on the left even believe that? I thought the left stance was that biological sex and gender were too different things?

Anyway the more I hear from Jordan Peterson the more I hate the man.

Wait what...

Peterson: I don't think saying there's no biological sex makes sense
You: The more I hear him talk, the more I hate him!
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WaterLink posted...

At this point it's not a left or right political thing. If you're denying biological sex you're just a looney.

Or up to date on science and willing to acknowledge that chromosomes are not the sole biological function through which sex is determined.
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gunplagirl posted...

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.

They exist but they are NOT "quite common". They are rare. Very rare in fact.
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gunplagirl posted...

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.But not all intersex conditions result from extra chromosomes. A number of conditions that result in painful and erratic menses are associated with intersex conditions.

yea, but they're not talking about transgender people. >.> transgender people are still biologically male or female, regardless of how they identify. That's just how genetics work.
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Howl posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI8HrZ7mnl8" data-time="

How Jordan Peterson is even to seriously address this without busting out in laughter is beyond me.

This video is the non-euclidean geometry equivalent of gender studies.
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EdgeMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

creativerealms posted...

Does anyone on the left even believe that? I thought the left stance was that biological sex and gender were too different things?

I'm more on the Left, and that's definitely what I believe. Biological sex =/= gender, I mean. Biological sex is scientifically proven; gender is a bit more complicated.

Gender isnt that much more complicated imo. Its basically youre a guy biologically and you can have different skill sets and interests, like cooking or gardening, but despite that youre still male. Doesnt matter what you feel like lol.

And Im astonished that people can say such stupid and wrong things like Theres no such thing as biological sex. This is one of the few instances where I support the death penalty. You should be round up and executed if you vocally make this known that is what you truly think on multiple occasions. Much like how Singapore you can be executed for graffiti, harsh, but better in the long run for the country and nearly impossible to be in a situation where youre making graffiti, its not like stealing food because youre poor lol. Same thing here, dont say such stupid things that go against common sense and what you learn as a seven year old based on scientific fact and its practically impossible to have misfortune come your way.

I wanna say episode 8 of star trek the next generation had a society like that. Break any rules and you get killed.

Much like then, seeing somebody unironically propose it edgy as hell and I'm bleeding from the sight of it.
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EdgeMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

creativerealms posted...

Does anyone on the left even believe that? I thought the left stance was that biological sex and gender were too different things?

I'm more on the Left, and that's definitely what I believe. Biological sex =/= gender, I mean. Biological sex is scientifically proven; gender is a bit more complicated.

Gender isnt that much more complicated imo. Its basically youre a guy biologically and you can have different skill sets and interests, like cooking or gardening, but despite that youre still male. Doesnt matter what you feel like lol.

And Im astonished that people can say such stupid and wrong things like Theres no such thing as biological sex. This is one of the few instances where I support the death penalty. You should be round up and executed if you vocally make this known that is what you truly think on multiple occasions. Much like how Singapore you can be executed for graffiti, harsh, but better in the long run for the country and nearly impossible to be in a situation where youre making graffiti, its not like stealing food because youre poor lol. Same thing here, dont say such stupid things that go against common sense and what you learn as a seven year old based on scientific fact and its practically impossible to have misfortune come your way.

Username checks out

WaterLink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.

They exist but they are NOT "quite common". They are rare. Very rare in fact.

http://www.isna.org/faq/ten_myths/rare

More common than Jewish people. *shrugs*

Abyssea posted...

gunplagirl posted...

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.But not all intersex conditions result from extra chromosomes. A number of conditions that result in painful and erratic menses are associated with intersex conditions.

yea, but they're not talking about transgender people. >.> transgender people are still biologically male or female, regardless of how they identify. That's just how genetics work.

Literally one google search for him away and you'd realize you're wrong on both counts. His statement did indeed include transgender people if you looked at what it was in response to. But sure, clearly you know how genetics work better than the highest ranked guy for the organization that specializes in genetics.
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This is backwards

Biological sex is a thing, gender is the socially constructed one
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I know which hill this movement will die on.
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gunplagirl posted...

Literally one google search for him away and you'd realize you're wrong on both counts. His statement did indeed include transgender people if you looked at what it was in response to. But sure, clearly you know how genetics work better than the highest ranked guy for the organization that specializes in genetics.

no
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Abyssea posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Literally one google search for him away and you'd realize you're wrong on both counts. His statement did indeed include transgender people if you looked at what it was in response to. But sure, clearly you know how genetics work better than the highest ranked guy for the organization that specializes in genetics.

no

Damn. This evidence you have provided will shock the entire world. Guess you should replace him since you just proved him wrong on every account. Einstein better watch out, you'll replace him as the most well known scientific mind.
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gunplagirl posted...

Literally one google search for him away and you'd realize you're wrong on both counts. His statement did indeed include transgender people if you looked at what it was in response to. But sure, clearly you know how genetics work better than the highest ranked guy for the organization that specializes in genetics.

Humans are based on Chromosomal Sex Determination. The actual sex determination system varies greatly from species to species, but in humans, we use X and Y chromosomes. Some animals don't have X, or Y, or either. Some animals don't use chromosomes at all to determine the sex of the offspring. And sometimes there are genetic mixups a.k.a. intersex conditions that result in the standard Chromosomal Sex Determination in humans to produce an incorrect sex according to the chromosomes, but that doesn't mean the whole system doesn't exist or that male and female are not things that exist.

If you're going to throw a predicate that male and female don't exist, then you also have to throw out the idea that gender is a spectrum because you can't have a spectrum without two ends and a bunch of middle ground. At that point, you've just turned the entire field of gender studies into a ridiculous "I don't see gender" argument.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Literally one google search for him away and you'd realize you're wrong on both counts. His statement did indeed include transgender people if you looked at what it was in response to. But sure, clearly you know how genetics work better than the highest ranked guy for the organization that specializes in genetics.

Humans are based on Chromosomal Sex Determination. The actual sex determination system varies greatly from species to species, but in humans, we use X and Y chromosomes. Some animals don't have X, or Y, or either. Some animals don't use chromosomes at all to determine the sex of the offspring. And sometimes there are genetic mixups a.k.a. intersex conditions that result in the standard Chromosomal Sex Determination in humans to produce an incorrect sex according to the chromosomes, but that doesn't mean the whole system doesn't exist or that male and female are not things that exist.

If you're going to throw a predicate that male and female don't exist, then you also have to throw out the idea that gender is a spectrum because you can't have a spectrum without two ends and a bunch of middle ground. At that point, you've just turned the entire field of gender studies into a ridiculous "I don't see gender" argument.

ITP: false dichotomies used to strawman an argument
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gunplagirl posted...

Philip Batterham, President of the International Genetics Federation, acknowledges that some women have Y chromosomes.

Ah, yes. XY gonadal dysgenesis, aka Swyer syndrome, is a birth defect caused by a mutation that does not become apparent until either a DNA test shows she is XY, or puberty fails to happen.
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gunplagirl posted...

ITP: false dichotomies used to strawman an argument

Please point out the false dichotomy and strawman used.
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Abyssea posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Literally one google search for him away and you'd realize you're wrong on both counts. His statement did indeed include transgender people if you looked at what it was in response to. But sure, clearly you know how genetics work better than the highest ranked guy for the organization that specializes in genetics.

no

You prob get confused and start crying when youre trying to match shaped blocks in cut out holes and cant get them to fit right and you dont understand why. Life is hard when you arent very smart =/
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Tyranthraxus posted...

gunplagirl posted...

ITP: false dichotomies used to strawman an argument

Please point out the false dichotomy and strawman used.

Some advice, never take this person seriously. Don't waste your energy with someone like that.
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Shocked to see @gunplagirl here defending this.
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gunplagirl posted...

WaterLink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.

They exist but they are NOT "quite common". They are rare. Very rare in fact.

http://www.isna.org/faq/ten_myths/rare

More common than Jewish people. *shrugs*

First off, I'd love to know where the numbers come from and what classifies as intersex. I'm not saying this to be mean, and it may seem ignorant, but everyone is ignorant until they ask questions and get answers, that's how you learn. I'm legit curious.

Secondly, "more than the Jews" is a dumb comparison in my mind. Maybe the Jews just dont reproduce much, maybe some converted away, maybe some converted in but arent considered hereditary Jews. Idk, that just seems like the fun fact to throw around to make something appear polished when it really isnt and I'm skeptical when studies are measured and presented in such a manner.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

gunplagirl posted...

ITP: false dichotomies used to strawman an argument

Please point out the false dichotomy and strawman used.

Everything from predicate onwards. Also x and y chromosomes but you neglected to mention the extremely rare o chromosome
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'let's call it an error'

this is why i love this guy. what a nice way to say 'wow full of shit much?'.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

gunplagirl posted...

ITP: false dichotomies used to strawman an argument

Please point out the false dichotomy and strawman used.

Some advice, never take this person seriously. Don't waste your energy with someone like that.

You could have saved time typing if you actually acknowledged me as "she, her" and other common pronouns that apply to me. Instead you said "this person" despite frequently seeing me post, as evidenced by you making this same comment on occasion. Not as much as that other poster but I would rather not tag him since he's bound to pop up any second
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gunplagirl posted...

Everything from predicate onwards.

nope.

Also:

gunplagirl posted...

Also x and y chromosomes but you neglected to mention the extremely rare o chromosome

nope:

Tyranthraxus posted...

Some animals don't have X, or Y, or either. Some animals don't use chromosomes at all to determine the sex of the offspring. And sometimes there are genetic mixups a.k.a. intersex conditions that result in the standard Chromosomal Sex Determination in humans to produce an incorrect sex according to the chromosomes

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WaterLink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

WaterLink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

It's one such group that can have them, yes. Intersex conditions exist and are quite common.

They exist but they are NOT "quite common". They are rare. Very rare in fact.

http://www.isna.org/faq/ten_myths/rare

More common than Jewish people. *shrugs*

First off, I'd love to know where the numbers come from and what classifies as intersex. I'm not saying this to be mean, and it may seem ignorant, but everyone is ignorant until they ask questions and get answers, that's how you learn. I'm legit curious.

Secondly, "more than the Jews" is a dumb comparison in my mind. Maybe the Jews just dont reproduce much, maybe some converted away, maybe some converted in but arent considered hereditary Jews. Idk, that just seems like the fun fact to throw around to make something appear polished when it really isnt and I'm skeptical when studies are measured and presented in such a manner.

"The Jews" is such a crappy expression and is just as dated and irrelevant as the expression "the blacks"

Maybe you should stay off the internet, poppop
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For the record, Gunplagirl's viewpoints are not representative of the democratic party as a whole.
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