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MysteryMan923
08/12/18 11:23:59 AM
#302:


Used to play FFBE but I found it too grindy. And for reference I had multiple 75s in FFXI before they put it on easy mode so I think that says something about how much grind it is.
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Grischnak
08/12/18 3:06:28 PM
#303:


Leanaunfurled posted...
Grischnak posted...
Leanaunfurled posted...
Thanks everyone! Looks like I'll try getting into that and FEH alongside Granblue and Bang Dream.


Fair warning, FGO has one of the worst gacha rates in the industry. It is truly abysmal. You can spend hundreds of dollars whaling for something and never see what you're after. I used to play it but it was just too unforgiving in that regard. So many games do it better. Frankly, if you're *not* a fan of the Fate franchise I wouldn't recommend sticking with it. The thing it does best is Fate fanservice. Without that there simply a lot better games to play.

I've heard it does have really low rates, but then I also heard that's balanced out by lesser servants still being really useful.


That game gets dramatically harder as you go along. As you start out it's pretty easy. But the later chapters get pretty tough. I mean, it's up to you if you want to play it but it's an older game and it lacks of quality of life features newer games have. In terms of gatcha. The rate for 5 stars is 1%. Then when you get a 5 star it chooses one between all the available ones and then gives you one. So even if you pull a 5 star the one you're after will only have a boosted rate so you still might not get it. There is no pity timer or anything.

Let me tell you my FGO ragequit story. I had a decent team of 2 good 5 stars and I just needed this particular 5 star to complete my ideal team. So I saved all the tickets and quartz I got for, what was it, like 6 months? The day came that the servant I needed to complete my team was released. I went for it. Used every ticket I had and every single quartz I had saved....nothing. So, in my desperation, I started to whale. I'm not going to say just how much money I spent whaling but lets just say it's very embarrassing. And you know what? Didn't get shit. And then I ragequit and never returned. It's a common FGO story.

In hindsight, the smart way to play FGO is not to pick ideal teams or waifus and instead is to just work with whatever you happen to get. But for me, someone who likes to min-max and go after specific teams/characters, such a playstyle is too limiting to really be much fun. Things like Alchemist Code, FEH and Girls Frontline are just a lot more fair. But it's you're time. Do what you want with it. Just a warning.
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Super_Archer
08/12/18 3:37:55 PM
#304:


couldn't you just borrow the third servant that you needed?

Also in general, it could be easy to just build up your support servants and rely on your whale friends who np5 and max skill someone the day they get released.
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Grischnak
08/12/18 3:49:51 PM
#305:


Super_Archer posted...
couldn't you just borrow the third servant that you needed?

Also in general, it could be easy to just build up your support servants and rely on your whale friends who np5 and max skill someone the day they get released.


Having friends carry your team is generally what most people do for the start of the game. And you certainly can play the whole game like that and make your team based more on the power of your friends then on your own strength. But I think that's more a design flaw in FGO then a good thing. I personally wanted my team to be standalone and my friends to just be support. Like in most games I've played.
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Ricemills
08/13/18 12:43:32 AM
#306:


MysteryMan923 posted...
Used to play FFBE but I found it too grindy. And for reference I had multiple 75s in FFXI before they put it on easy mode so I think that says something about how much grind it is.

this is weird because FFBE is one of the least grindy gacha games I played.
well, at least this means you will hate The Alchemist Code because all you do is grinding 90% of the time.
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MysteryMan923
08/13/18 11:29:24 AM
#307:


Ricemills posted...
MysteryMan923 posted...
Used to play FFBE but I found it too grindy. And for reference I had multiple 75s in FFXI before they put it on easy mode so I think that says something about how much grind it is.

this is weird because FFBE is one of the least grindy gacha games I played.
well, at least this means you will hate The Alchemist Code because all you do is grinding 90% of the time.


Every event they do is a grind. Taking a unit to max star level sometimes requires getting two units grinded and then you have to regrind the new unit. Trust farming back in the day was the grindiest thing ever. And then when you finally grind that perfect unit to max there's a new better unit next month that you need to grind.
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Ricemills
08/13/18 11:49:53 AM
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MysteryMan923 posted...
Ricemills posted...
MysteryMan923 posted...
Used to play FFBE but I found it too grindy. And for reference I had multiple 75s in FFXI before they put it on easy mode so I think that says something about how much grind it is.

this is weird because FFBE is one of the least grindy gacha games I played.
well, at least this means you will hate The Alchemist Code because all you do is grinding 90% of the time.


Every event they do is a grind. Taking a unit to max star level sometimes requires getting two units grinded and then you have to regrind the new unit. Trust farming back in the day was the grindiest thing ever. And then when you finally grind that perfect unit to max there's a new better unit next month that you need to grind.


If I'm allowed to guess, you last played the game like one and a half year ago or more?
because no one is grinding to level their units anymore because of the cactuars.
trust farming indeed grindy, but only people with macro programs will actually grind them. normal players will just use the moogles
raising rarity/star level that requires 2 units is a recent addition with the new cap at 7*. and that's only available to 16 units out of 300+ currently.
heck if you hate leveling and raising rarity in ffbe (which is very easy except from 6* to 7*), I can't wait to see your reaction if you played SMT Dx2.
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Shotgunnova
08/13/18 11:51:48 AM
#309:


Soppo won the first race to the finish line!

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Touch
08/13/18 11:51:58 AM
#310:


Azur Lane is supposed to be open beta this Thursday and I've heard good things. Anyone able to offer some insight?
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Grischnak
08/13/18 1:20:23 PM
#311:


Touch posted...
Azur Lane is supposed to be open beta this Thursday and I've heard good things. Anyone able to offer some insight?


I played the closed beta and the Japanese version a bit. The gameplay is certainly unique. It's a bullet hell RPG. Gatcha is pretty forgiving for F2P people. Stamina system is also pretty forgiving. Probably most like Girls Frontline if I had to make a direct comparison.
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Leanaunfurled
08/14/18 2:22:18 PM
#312:


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Blue_Dream87
08/14/18 5:35:23 PM
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UnseenChaos
08/14/18 5:41:33 PM
#314:


FF Brave Exvius. Been playing for ~2 years now.
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Xendyl
08/14/18 5:43:07 PM
#315:


Tales of the Rays
SMT
FEH

Although only play the last one sparingly. I just login for orbs. I dont even remember the last time I pulled for something >_>
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Spidey5
08/14/18 5:47:34 PM
#316:


Just tell me how to get Unicorn and I'll check out Azur Lane
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Eab1990
08/15/18 1:24:28 PM
#317:


Unicorn can be crafted through light or special craft. Timer is 2.5 hours exact.
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Spidey5
08/15/18 5:05:15 PM
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I'm not sure what that means, but 2.5 hours is like 1 AP in FGO time.
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Grischnak
08/15/18 5:21:08 PM
#319:


Spidey5 posted...
I'm not sure what that means, but 2.5 hours is like 1 AP in FGO time.

In Azur Lane you get ships via building them using a resource that is decently easy to come by. There isn't just like 1 giant gacha pool but a few pools separated by ship type. The easiest way to get Unicorn is to just spam building "Light(as in small)" ships. Unicorn is pretty easy to get. Not that rare.
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Calwings
08/15/18 5:38:50 PM
#320:


Grischnak posted...
Spidey5 posted...
I'm not sure what that means, but 2.5 hours is like 1 AP in FGO time.

In Azur Lane you get ships via building them using a resource that is decently easy to come by. There isn't just like 1 giant gacha pool but a few pools separated by ship type. The easiest way to get Unicorn is to just spam building "Light(as in small)" ships. Unicorn is pretty easy to get. Not that rare.

Sounds similar to Girls Frontline's resource system. I originally wasn't considering getting into Azur Lane due to how many mobile games I'm playing already, plus I'm not a big fan of the character designs I've seen. However, If it's anywhere close to as forgiving and easy to get into as GFL is, I might reconsider and give it a chance.
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MedeaLysistrata
08/15/18 5:48:26 PM
#321:


I've been playing Dx2 (SMT) and am having tons of fun. Not really sure how it stacks up against other gatcha games aside from the really, really bad pull rates. But the upside to the low pull rates is that you can fuse almost any demon, so with patience you can more or less build the exact team you want.
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TerrifyingRei
08/15/18 5:49:06 PM
#322:


anything's better than FGO's pull rates
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Spidey5
08/15/18 5:49:28 PM
#323:


Grischnak posted...
Spidey5 posted...
I'm not sure what that means, but 2.5 hours is like 1 AP in FGO time.

In Azur Lane you get ships via building them using a resource that is decently easy to come by. There isn't just like 1 giant gacha pool but a few pools separated by ship type. The easiest way to get Unicorn is to just spam building "Light(as in small)" ships. Unicorn is pretty easy to get. Not that rare.

Ah, I gotcha.
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TheMarthKoopa
08/15/18 5:50:32 PM
#324:


Not as many good designs as GFL but I'm seeing some gems in there

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auX6JPF ... p7 all grown up?...
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MedeaLysistrata
08/15/18 5:53:34 PM
#325:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Ricemills posted...
creativerealms posted...
I like that you can play Dx2 like a normal SMT game and not have to worry about the Gacha summoning aspects. It might take longer but just use demon fusion to get stronger demons like any SMT game.


kinda, but things like rarity/level limit will be a bit annoying.
and not only the demons, your characters level will be limited to lvl 30 until you clear the missions to raise the level cap.
and those missions are really hard.


Huh, I kinda sailed through the quests for Megakin and now he's good to go for level 50, but then he's one of the first you can do those quests for, so maybe it's *supposed* to be easy for him while the other Dx2 limit breaks will get harder as I go along.

Most of the limit break quests are easy. MC's quests are easily the most difficult, so you need a good support demon. Shionyan and Meat Ballon's are fairly hard but not too much of a challenge. My team is also not that great and I was able to do them all, it has 2 good demons and 2 filler demons. In terms of walls, I'm starting to hit the limit point (specifically Aura Gate 35-50) where my demon team just isn't good enough though.
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Calwings
08/15/18 6:20:57 PM
#326:


TerrifyingRei posted...
anything's better than FGO's pull rates

Yep.

TheMarthKoopa posted...
Not as many good designs as GFL but I'm seeing some gems in there

Do you have a site where I can see all of these?

auX6JPF
... p7 all grown up?...

Oh wow, you're right. That does look like her.
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TheMarthKoopa
08/15/18 6:29:11 PM
#327:


Calwings posted...
Do you have a site where I can see all of these?

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ships_by_Image
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Eab1990
08/15/18 6:32:46 PM
#328:


TerrifyingRei posted...
anything's better than FGO's pull rates


You havent seen 0.5% pull rates, I take it.
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TerrifyingRei
08/15/18 6:36:56 PM
#329:


Eab1990 posted...
TerrifyingRei posted...
anything's better than FGO's pull rates


You havent seen 0.5% pull rates, I take it.


probably not, but FGO killed any love i had for Fate.

now i only play GFL
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Calwings
08/15/18 7:33:27 PM
#330:


https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Amazon

>named Amazon
>actually a loli

Wow, that's false advertising right there.

>reads some of her lines

Wow, it's like every single Rie Kugimiya tsundere ever, but without Rie Kugimiya's voice.

>has a line that directly references Shana

Okay, slightly redeemed.
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Calwings
08/15/18 7:45:27 PM
#331:


I found some designs in Azur Lane that I like, but not nearly as many as in Girls Frontline...

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/McCall
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Cleveland
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Pensacola
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Enterprise
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ark_Royal
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Glorious
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Takao
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/St._Louis

To anyone who's played the CN/JP versions of Azur Lane before, I do have some questions: how does the rarity system work? On all of these, I see 1/2/3 stars filled and 3 unfilled... does this mean they can be ranked up (like in Fire Emblem Heroes) to an extent? Is rarity a fairly clear indicator of whether a girl is useful or not (like in Fate Grand Order) or are there plenty of good ones in the lower rarities (like in Girls Frontline) as well?
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Spidey5
08/15/18 8:06:49 PM
#332:


Hey now, there are 2 and 3 stars that are way more useful than some 5 stars in FGO. Some 5 stars are straight up useless lol.

When does Azur Lane come out anyway?
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Grischnak
08/15/18 8:12:35 PM
#333:


Calwings posted...
I found some designs in Azur Lane that I like, but not nearly as many as in Girls Frontline...

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/McCall
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Cleveland
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Pensacola
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Enterprise
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ark_Royal
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Glorious
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Takao
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/St._Louis

To anyone who's played the CN/JP versions of Azur Lane before, I do have some questions: how does the rarity system work? On all of these, I see 1/2/3 stars filled and 3 unfilled... does this mean they can be ranked up (like in Fire Emblem Heroes) to an extent? Is rarity a fairly clear indicator of whether a girl is useful or not (like in Fate Grand Order) or are there plenty of good ones in the lower rarities (like in Girls Frontline) as well?


My experience to the game is pretty limited(CBT and like 4 hours of Japanese version) so I can't really comment on how useful particular ships are. As for ranking up, you use duplicate copies of ships to do it. It starts at 1 duplicate for a rank up but at higher ranks you need multiple copies to rank up. There are also substitution ships you can use so you don't have to always use duplicates.

Spidey5 posted...
Hey now, there are 2 and 3 stars that are way more useful than some 5 stars in FGO. Some 5 stars are straight up useless lol.

When does Azur Lane come out anyway?

Tomorrow at 9am PDT.
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08/15/18 8:27:02 PM
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Touch
08/15/18 8:31:32 PM
#335:


BTW if anyone is looking for a gacha game with great rates I can't advertise Knight's Chronicles enough. Had some of the best rates out there and fairly easy to get premium currency. Most times a new banner comes out with three featured units I'd get 2-3 of them within 10 multipulls.
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08/15/18 8:35:19 PM
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MedeaLysistrata
08/16/18 12:27:30 AM
#337:


trying out FGO since a ton of my friends are playing it. still at the tutorial but so far Dx2 seems way better, imo
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Calwings
08/16/18 12:27:49 AM
#338:


Grischnak posted...
My experience to the game is pretty limited(CBT and like 4 hours of Japanese version) so I can't really comment on how useful particular ships are. As for ranking up, you use duplicate copies of ships to do it. It starts at 1 duplicate for a rank up but at higher ranks you need multiple copies to rank up. There are also substitution ships you can use so you don't have to always use duplicates.

Eab1990 posted...
Here's a few beginner guides.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/7bu2vo/azur_lane_quick_beginner_starter_guide/?st=JKT0IRL5&sh=5a0a16ef
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dlD1bqchyIMYfLdl4PDeR4NFWA2dklejijldpaar1Gc/mobilebasic
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:Shipposting_Duck
https://pastebin.com/bffW2aNa

Thanks guys. I might give it a shot.
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Shotgunnova
08/16/18 12:30:42 AM
#339:


I wish there was a Girls Frontline type game about anthropomorphized trains. Always liked trains.
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Calwings
08/16/18 12:41:28 AM
#340:


We already have infantry (Girls Frontline) and naval (Kancolle and Azur Lane) combat covered, now we just need anime girl versions of fighter planes/pilots and we basically have the whole military represented. The closest we've had to this in anime is Strike Witches, and with all the side stories they've had in novels and other non-anime material, the World Witches series totally has enough characters for a great mobile game. Make it happen, Japan!
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TheMarthKoopa
08/16/18 12:47:43 AM
#341:


Too bad the GuP mobile game isn't in English
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Calwings
08/16/18 1:02:49 AM
#342:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
Too bad the GuP mobile game isn't in English

I was tempted to download the Japanese version like I did the Toji No Miko and Precure mobile games, but I decided against it. Unlike those two, I'd say the GuP mobile game actually has a kind-of-sort-of decent chance to be released in English at some point.
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Eab1990
08/16/18 9:26:33 AM
#343:


AL app is up.

Launch is still another 2.5 hours away.
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TheMarthKoopa
08/16/18 12:43:34 PM
#344:


Oh dang. The sleepy starter boat is voiced by Maria Naganawa
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Calwings
08/16/18 1:04:01 PM
#345:


How much room does Azur Lane take up on your phone? I see that the initial download from the Google Play Store is over 800MB, but I'm guessing there's more after that... I may need to move one of my other mobile games to my old backup phone with no data plan.
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TheMarthKoopa
08/16/18 1:17:18 PM
#346:


The extra data I downloaded puts me at 1.32GB
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Calwings
08/16/18 1:27:52 PM
#347:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
The extra data I downloaded puts me at 1.32GB

Oh, that's not too bad. I might be able to fit it without moving any of my other games if I delete some extra music/images here and there.
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Shotgunnova
08/16/18 1:28:55 PM
#348:


How's Azur Lane's gameplay compared to GF? I like trains more than boats, but boats are still cool.
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Calwings
08/16/18 1:43:58 PM
#349:


I started downloading Azur Lane and decided to check in on one of my other mobile games in the mean time...

Cn0Fu01

...and it looks like I might have used up my gacha luck for the next few days. At least she's best girl.
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Grischnak
08/16/18 1:45:28 PM
#350:


Shotgunnova posted...
How's Azur Lane's gameplay compared to GF? I like trains more than boats, but boats are still cool.


Azur Lane is quite different. It's a bullet hell RPG. Starting out the bullet hell aspects are pretty tame. Shit gets intense later on from the clips I've seen though. Here's some high level gameplay in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8x2H2Ufrj4" data-time="


It's obviously a lot more action-y then GF.
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Calwings
08/16/18 2:08:54 PM
#351:


Grischnak posted...
Azur Lane is quite different. It's a bullet hell RPG. Starting out the bullet hell aspects are pretty tame. Shit gets intense later on from the clips I've seen though. Here's some high level gameplay in action:

Oh god, I suck at bullet hell games... maybe Azur Lane isn't right for me after all.
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