Board 8 > Anime & Manga Discussion Topic 195: The Month of Bleach

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swordz9
07/19/18 3:11:03 PM
#351:


KommunistKoala posted...
swordz9 posted...
Fairy Tail doesnt pretend to have consequences for stuff though

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I dont mean it pretending bad stuff could potentially happen to the characters. I mean Fairy Tail doesnt ever really care about any laws where criminals would be executed and whatnot. I mean they pretend that mage council matters sometimes, but theres never really a system where villains are imprisoned or executed or anything. Naruto had like established ninja laws for that sorta stuff and just pretends none of it exists with special snowflake Sasuke
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GranzonEx
07/19/18 3:47:49 PM
#352:


eh the Sauce was a wanted ninja all the way until the end when Naruto becomes Hokage and pardoned him

there was literally an arc where the Five Kages hunted him >_>
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swordz9
07/19/18 3:55:01 PM
#353:


Yeah, but what ultimately happened? He was gonna murder all his friends and the entire village and they dont even arrest him or execute him or anything. Hell he even impregnated somebody he tried to kill lmao
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ninkendo
07/19/18 3:58:13 PM
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Mac Arrowny
07/19/18 3:58:21 PM
#355:


Vegeta did way worse stuff than Sasuke ever did...
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GranzonEx
07/19/18 4:02:04 PM
#356:


the worst thing Sasuke ever did was murdering an innocent Konoha patriot
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swordz9
07/19/18 4:13:23 PM
#357:


Mac Arrowny posted...
Vegeta did way worse stuff than Sasuke ever did...

Well yeah, but DB never really had any sort of laws or justice system to its world. There are regular cops and regular criminals who all exist as nobodies. Theres nothing in place for the actual villains. They either get killed and somehow find a way to come back anyways or they change and everything bad they did is forgotten. I mean Toriyama himself gives 0 shits about the writing so theres no defending it. Both series have bad writing, but Naruto tried to be grander than what it was while DB just accepted itself as popcorn viewing
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Mac Arrowny
07/19/18 4:30:25 PM
#358:


What does that have to do with Sasuke impregnating someone who tried to kill him?
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swordz9
07/19/18 4:48:41 PM
#359:


What does your post have anything to do with it? If Vegeta was a comparison its a bad one because he never actually tries to kill Bulma.

My issue is Naruto tried to build this big ninja world with ninja politics, groups that hunt down rogue ninjas, etc and none of it even really matters because the writing is so bad that all the characters even come off as being mentally damaged in some way. He literally directly tried to murder two of the only people who ever cared about him and they felt nothing. They just wave it all away and Sasuke never even really seemed to change as a character so its not like he redeemed himself and had his crimes forgotten like Vegeta.
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swordz9
07/19/18 6:01:08 PM
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Im not good at debating or explaining my thoughts and stuff. Naruto was one of the very first anime series I got into so it also has a weird/special place for me. Back when I first started it I felt like it was great. I thought it was building an interesting world and had tons of characters with promise. It used to be one of my favorites and then it just seemed to abandon everything and become worse as it went on. I probably hold a bigger grudge against it than other things because of that. I used to be so excited when a new chapter came out and the time skip just really killed everything for me. All the side characters were thrown to the curb, Sasuke just became a bigger douche and Narutos character turned into a big joke/lie. It used to feel like things mattered in it and that ultimately something would be done about the bad guys, but I guess my bad not being aware of what most shounen series were.

With DB I never had any real expectations. DB is just pure entertainment. Nobody praises the writing or thinks it has deep character stuff or anything, but people love it because its fun to see what fight will happen next. With DB its much easier to wave away bad writing and character logic because it never really tried to be serious. Its just something dumb you can watch like the Final Destination movies. This is why its easy to not care about stuff like Vegeta having murdered lots of characters because nobody in the DB world cares, theres no consequences and so theres no reason for viewers to care either.

Both have bad writing, but Im forgiving towards DB because its very entertaining and has likable characters and good action while Naruto lost all entertainment it had unless you were just really enjoying watching how bad it got.

That probably doesnt really explain anything better, but since Naruto actually tried to pretend its world cared about good vs evil ninjas and stuff I cant forgive it for waving away Sasuke being a total asshat like it didnt matter.
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TexasZea
07/19/18 6:16:37 PM
#361:


*jumps to most recent post in topic*

wait

is someone actually defending the end of naruto

I want answers people
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KommunistKoala
07/19/18 6:23:42 PM
#362:


Swordz is just trying to defend fairy tails awful writing by saying naruto is worse
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Tokoyami
07/19/18 6:24:32 PM
#363:


Everyone's favorite anime sucks there I evened it all out
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swordz9
07/19/18 6:25:58 PM
#364:


Different sort of argument. LtM posted a Boruto video and I poked fun at how it made Sasuke and Naruto still seem friendly despite Sasuke being an irredeemable piece of shit and then it just sort of turned into a couple posts arguing about shounen writing.
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LapisLazuli
07/19/18 6:26:36 PM
#365:


KommunistKoala posted...
Swordz is just trying to defend fairy tails awful writing by saying naruto is worse


Naruto blows but at least it isn't boring.
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swordz9
07/19/18 6:28:51 PM
#366:


KommunistKoala posted...
Swordz is just trying to defend fairy tails awful writing by saying naruto is worse

Im not really defending it. Im not gonna say FT has great writing. It doesnt. You know what to expect of FT after an arc or two and it never really changes. It plays everything super safe and while thats not exactly exciting I dont have many major issues with it.
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GranzonEx
07/19/18 6:37:11 PM
#367:


the highlight of Naruto's ending was Naruto hyperventilating at night thinking about Sasuke getting hunted by the Five Kages

truly

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Bros before hos

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swordz9
07/19/18 6:53:35 PM
#368:


And really does ANY shounen fighting series have consistently good writing or much good writing at all? Im pretty sure wed all say no
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TexasZea
07/19/18 6:53:56 PM
#369:


swordz9 posted...
And really does ANY shounen fighting series have consistently good writing? Im pretty sure wed all say no

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Popcorn_Fairy
07/19/18 7:00:03 PM
#370:


TexasZea posted...
swordz9 posted...
And really does ANY shounen fighting series have consistently good writing? Im pretty sure wed all say no

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pyresword
07/19/18 7:07:30 PM
#371:


I think My Hero Academia has good writing. Also Fullmetal Alchemist, though I'm not sure if that's considered a shounen fighting series or not.

Many people would also say Hunter x Hunter, though I personally would disagree with those people.
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BK_Sheikah00
07/19/18 7:08:44 PM
#372:


I think Fairy Tail has excellent writing because it creates ways to give Lucy less and less clothing
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tazzyboyishere
07/19/18 7:10:09 PM
#373:


Tons of shounen fighting franchises have good writing, what?
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Mac Arrowny
07/19/18 7:13:21 PM
#374:


Bleach and Naruto have better writing than FMA
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swordz9
07/19/18 7:22:13 PM
#375:


Id say most have at least tolerable writing, but Im not sure Id call most very well written. I mean I have to remember these series are typically written for like 7-12 year olds and all they really want is boobs, laughs and action
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pjbasis
07/19/18 8:34:52 PM
#376:


swordz9 posted...
pjbasis posted...
swordz9 posted...
Look at them pretending to be friendly still. Man that series just shits itself so hard >_>


Man you like fairy tail get over it

Fairy Tail doesnt pretend to have consequences for stuff though and nobody was anywhere near as bad as Sasuke.


It's like the one thing you criticize though.

Despite the badness of Naruto's last 20 volumes (which is fucking a lot), some of the earlier fights are top tier shounen fighting. Fairy Tail can't say the same. It's passable for a little bit and also starts losing it shit near the end.
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pjbasis
07/19/18 8:36:09 PM
#377:


Dragon Ball is actually written decently.

Read the manga and the scenes actually flow really well. The anime introduces the bullshit that everyone gets on it for.
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swordz9
07/19/18 9:17:43 PM
#378:


I think Fairy Tail has some pretty great fights. Not all obviously, but there were definitely some standouts Id say can at least compare to some of the best shounen fights. Early Naruto was good shit. I remember when they actually used to fight with martial arts instead of mind games and beams.

As for Dragon Ball I think the pre-Z stuff is done well enough. I havent seen it in a while, but Dragon Ball is a classic. The anime alone isnt to blame for some of the shit the writing gets though. Buu arc just feels like Toriyama fucking gave up and threw darts or dice rolled what to do next
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swordz9
07/19/18 9:27:30 PM
#379:


Anyways I dont feel super tired tonight so I should watch something
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pjbasis
07/19/18 9:32:40 PM
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LapisLazuli
07/19/18 9:36:39 PM
#381:


LapisLazuli posted...
Of those, Hanebado and Harukawa Recieve.

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TexasZea
07/19/18 9:41:38 PM
#382:


If only swordz9 watched an episode every time he said he should watch anime...
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th3l3fty
07/19/18 10:02:39 PM
#383:


from what I remember of Naruto, Naruto was basically the only one who didn't ever give up on Sasuke

there are a lot of things you can legitimately criticize it for, but that's not really one of them
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WhiteLens
07/19/18 10:04:00 PM
#384:


Given the ending, I don't think Sakura did either.
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swordz9
07/19/18 10:09:30 PM
#385:


th3l3fty posted...
from what I remember of Naruto, Naruto was basically the only one who didn't ever give up on Sasuke

there are a lot of things you can legitimately criticize it for, but that's not really one of them

You can totally criticize Naruto for actually thinking there was any reason to not give up on somebody who always treated you like shit and tried to kill you several times though. Thats sorta what I was getting at. Naruto hurt his own character by crying and begging people not to kill somebody who never acted like they cared about him. It just looks super bad.
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swordz9
07/19/18 11:25:52 PM
#386:


Hanebado ep1 - woah didnt expect an intense start. Its nice when anime can make even the most boring sports seem exciting. What a heavy episode. This sort of inner struggle is what Id expect like somewhere in the middle or towards the end so its interesting to see it right in the first episode. It sort of makes me wonder what they will do later on though. Im interested in watching more.

Planet With ep1 - MC has a dream about dragons, wakes up to be greeted by his maid and then has breakfast with a giant cat. Oh and he has amnesia apparently. Suddenly UFO...lmao what the hell this thing looks weird. Pilot launched missiles at it and then like his life flashes before his eyes and he bails to go home? Some people just start flying and turn into robots or something. Maid tells MC he has to beat those heroes. The cat fucking swallowed MC and turned into some cat robot. MC literally motivated to fight for meat dinner. What the fuck did I just watch. Im not sure if I do or dont want to see more. This whole thing was just weird.
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pjbasis
07/19/18 11:52:26 PM
#387:


swordz9 posted...
You can totally criticize Naruto for actually thinking there was any reason to not give up on somebody who always treated you like shit and tried to kill you several times though. Thats sorta what I was getting at. Naruto hurt his own character by crying and begging people not to kill somebody who never acted like they cared about him. It just looks super bad.


It was the whole point though. That would be like hating Kenshin because you think it's stupid he refuses to kill people lmao
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Nanis23
07/20/18 12:05:37 AM
#388:


pjbasis posted...
Oh fuck Burn the Witch, it's actually a Bleach spinoff. Kubo is MAD about it still

I just skipped the pages to understand what you mean, the only thing I noticed was "Soul Society"
Was there anything else?
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LapisLazuli
07/20/18 12:26:26 AM
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Bane_Of_Despair
07/20/18 12:30:31 AM
#390:


Also today was the 21st anniversary of End of Evangelion so that's pretty great timing
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swordz9
07/20/18 12:32:49 AM
#391:


pjbasis posted...
swordz9 posted...
You can totally criticize Naruto for actually thinking there was any reason to not give up on somebody who always treated you like shit and tried to kill you several times though. Thats sorta what I was getting at. Naruto hurt his own character by crying and begging people not to kill somebody who never acted like they cared about him. It just looks super bad.


It was the whole point though. That would be like hating Kenshin because you think it's stupid he refuses to kill people lmao

That wasnt the whole point and Kenshins situation is completely unrelated. I mean he at least has his reasons for refusing to kill. Narutos reasons make no sense whatsoever and arent even comparable. What he does might as well be like somebody begging for the guy who killed their parents to not be imprisoned or given the death sentence.
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LapisLazuli
07/20/18 12:33:11 AM
#392:


Gotta wonder if the original 4.0 teaser is bullshit at this point. We gonna get that AsuMari fusion Eva?

Also 3.0 was so real bad, so like...fingers crossed? The scene for movies for television anime has changed drastically since 2012. It's not just shitty shounen movies anymore.
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GranzonEx
07/20/18 12:36:49 AM
#393:


Evangelion: 3.0+1.0 You Can (Not) Pirate is going to be shown as the 2020 Tokyo opening ceremony

DATTEBAYONETTA
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LapisLazuli
07/20/18 12:50:14 AM
#394:


I refuse to use that dumbass Kingdom Hearts version of the title until it comes out and isn't garbage.
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pjbasis
07/20/18 1:46:13 AM
#395:


Nanis23 posted...
pjbasis posted...
Oh fuck Burn the Witch, it's actually a Bleach spinoff. Kubo is MAD about it still

I just skipped the pages to understand what you mean, the only thing I noticed was "Soul Society"
Was there anything else?


no thats it LOL
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pjbasis
07/20/18 1:48:04 AM
#396:


swordz9 posted...
Narutos reasons make no sense whatsoever and arent even comparable. What he does might as well be like somebody begging for the guy who killed their parents to not be imprisoned or given the death sentence.


Uh you know he's all about breaking the cycle of revenge and shit and stuff? So much of Naruto's story was about how war perpetuates itself unless someone decides to forgive first. I mean it's not the greatest story ever told but that was the theme it beats you over the head with. Of course the main character is never going to give up on people. Plus Sasuke didn't actually kill anyone except bad guys...how is that a comparable analogy?

Pain killed Jiraiya and he talked no jutsu him out into reviving everyone. Come on dude. It's everywhere.
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swordz9
07/20/18 2:12:05 AM
#397:


It was originally about a loser wanting to become Hokage so people would acknowledge him. I dont think the cycle stuff was a theme for a while and it wasnt even really about saving Sasuke for a couple years either. When it turned into that is when it got bad. Im pretty sure Sasuke killed some nobody samurai guys who werent evil? Im not really sure since I quit following it at some point during or just after Pain. Does it really matter though when hes tried to kill the main character more than once and tried to kill some of the other good guys too? Its not like he isnt a bad person with no redeeming qualities.
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pjbasis
07/20/18 2:23:50 AM
#398:


You have a point that it started differently. But we're talking it changed like 20 something volumes in out of 72. Part 1 is not close the majority.

The theme of hard work was undone from the onset when he had special fox powers no one else did though.
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GranzonEx
07/20/18 2:23:58 AM
#399:


I think the manga shifted towards redeem Sasuke mode when he left the village 3/4 of the way through part one >_>

like the first or maybe second arc of part 2 was literally the new Team 7 going on a mission to save Sasuke
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pjbasis
07/20/18 2:25:04 AM
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On another note, the Medaka Box anime is actually a good adaptation? So disappointing it ended where it did!
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