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LeonhartFour 07/15/18 5:50:34 PM #1: |
go and moving on, that is
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Paratroopa1 07/15/18 6:24:45 PM #2: |
Apollo is getting to 10,000 I think. I can't imagine 6-5 gives him less than 2500
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NeoElfboy 07/15/18 9:00:42 PM #3: |
Athena seems headed for #6 for sure. I guess the only question left regarding the top ten's order is where Ema lands. I remember thinking she was pretty damn minor for a detective but she only needs a bit over 400 lines to hit #9.
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LeonhartFour 07/15/18 9:06:59 PM #4: |
Well, she's gonna need more than that to pass Trucy because she has a substantial role in 6-2.
Ema testifies a good deal in SoJ though, and she's in every case with an investigation. She got 550 lines in AJ, and SoJ's a bigger game and her role is bigger. I think she'll end up at #9 and Trucy will be 10th. I'm curious to see where Blackquill and Larry end up because they're the only characters in that group in the 1000 line range with lines left. I don't think either one will pass Pearl, but I wonder if they'll both be able to pass Lang or Klavier. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 07/15/18 10:07:16 PM #5: |
LeonhartFour posted...
Well, she's gonna need more than that to pass Trucy because she has a substantial role in 6-2. And a substantial role in 6-5. I think Trucy's linecount in 6-5 could be a mild spit-take. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/15/18 10:20:22 PM #6: |
Yeah, that's true. She's there quite a bit in the beginning of 6-5. I was surprised at her line count in 5-2, and her role in 6-5 is similar.
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Paratroopa1 07/15/18 11:30:26 PM #7: |
Trucy is essentially investigation assistant for almost the entire first day (and then basically disappears)
but I think that's still good for 100 lines or so ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/16/18 12:06:25 AM #8: |
Trucy's only around until shortly after you arrive in Kurain Village. Dhurke shows up almost immediately and takes the assistant role. Still, she and Dhurke talk quite a bit in that short amount of time because Apollo still doesn't have much to say to him yet.
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bwburke94 07/16/18 10:50:24 AM #9: |
Is it just me, or are we running out of topic title ideas?
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LeonhartFour 07/16/18 8:46:40 PM #10: |
if you've been paying attention we never had topic title ideas
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Raka_Putra 07/17/18 4:41:44 PM #11: |
Tag
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LeonhartFour 07/17/18 5:10:18 PM #12: |
Payne's new design and animations are fantastic
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LeonhartFour 07/17/18 5:18:04 PM #13: |
SoJ's "Basics of the Case" theme is really good
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LeonhartFour 07/17/18 5:45:02 PM #14: |
"This must be a new experience for you, Mr. Wright, being loathed by a client."
nope it's not the first time Also, the Khura'in judge is so good in 6-1. He's the one who really sells you on how different and ultimately unjust the court system is. Ahlbl is also good across all his appearances as he reflects the changing mentality of the average citizen toward lawyers over the course of the game. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bwburke94 07/17/18 5:49:58 PM #15: |
LeonhartFour posted...
Payne's new design and animations are fantastic He's now a royal Payne. --- All your old meme are belong to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoElfboy 07/17/18 7:33:04 PM #16: |
I don't really like the Khura'in Judge; way too similar to the previous judge. I guess that's the joke (and it worked well enough with the Judge's Brother, since they are brothers) but at this point every damn judge being a slight modification of the same character feels incredibly lazy.
The Incredible Payne is great though. I felt he fell flat in DD but his SoJ appearance/role is the high point of 6-1 to me. --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/17/18 7:37:26 PM #17: |
but when they try to make the judge too different he just ends up being boring (see: English Judge in Layton/AA and the judges in DGS)
I think the Khura'in Judge is pretty different at first because he literally doesn't care about doing things the right way. He'd rather just be done with it and go home. His utter confusion on how to run a proper trial (since it's been decades since the last time he had to) is part of what makes 6-1 good, as well as the fact that he's openly antagonistic against Phoenix and delights in anything going wrong for him. He becomes more like the regular judge in 6-3 and 6-5, but he's at his best in 6-1. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/17/18 11:43:22 PM #18: |
it's kinda weird how three different intro cases have a power outage as a key aspect of the case
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 12:05:45 AM #19: |
"A Cornered Heart" so good
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bwburke94 07/18/18 12:08:05 AM #20: |
LeonhartFour posted...
it's kinda weird how three different intro cases have a power outage as a key aspect of the case Almost like they've run out of plots and started recycling. But all of them feel unique regardless. --- All your old meme are belong to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 12:21:10 AM #21: |
I mean 6-1 isn't a rehash of 1-1 or 3-1 but whatever
many of the murder plots share common points I was just pointing out that this particular one seems to only show up in intros --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 12:37:04 AM #22: |
although one thing they're rehashing is names that pun on the word "patrol"
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bwburke94 07/18/18 12:57:08 AM #23: |
LeonhartFour posted...
although one thing they're rehashing is names that pun on the word "patrol" Obligatory reminder that Patricia Roland is a fan name --- All your old meme are belong to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 12:58:56 AM #24: |
it's also based on the pun of her Japanese name
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bwburke94 07/18/18 12:59:49 AM #25: |
LeonhartFour posted...
it's also based on the pun of her Japanese name A lot of names from the fan translation do that, but as I personally haven't played through most of GK2 I feel there's not much else I can say. --- All your old meme are belong to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 4:11:48 PM #26: |
I love it when everyone starts singing along with Andistan'dhin's testimony.
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 5:07:42 PM #27: |
Andistan'dhin's animations become so much better after the transformation. I love the one where he plays the guitar--excuse me, "dahmalan"--behind his head in particular.
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 6:48:33 PM #28: |
not that I'm an expert or anything but I do wonder if you could actually kill someone by hitting them over the head one time with a wooden guitar
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_SecretSquirrel 07/18/18 7:29:29 PM #29: |
LeonhartFour posted...
not that I'm an expert or anything but I do wonder if you could actually kill someone by hitting them over the head one time with a wooden guitar Well, this does remind me that Jake The Snake Roberts got his neck fucked up really badly with a non-gimmicked guitar shot from the Honky Tonk Man back in the day. Peeslub seems in good enough shape that he could pull that off. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! BKSheikah is the new greatone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 9:43:52 PM #30: |
yeah as a wrestling fan all I think of is "Jeff Jarrett busted guitars over people's heads every week and none of them died" but I'm thinking from a skewed perspective
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NeoElfboy 07/18/18 9:50:35 PM #31: |
People in Ace Attorney die really easily compared to real life in general, particularly from blunt trauma.
I wish the series weren't so madly in love with murder. You could do a lot with intended murder where the victim comes to but has only very limited memories. --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 9:52:01 PM #32: |
DGS has a couple of cases like that, actually.
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Team Rocket Elite 07/18/18 10:11:27 PM #33: |
The Divination Seances are sort of like that. I mean the victim still dies but in a way you get to see what they thought happened.
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_SecretSquirrel 07/18/18 10:29:48 PM #34: |
NeoElfboy posted...
People in Ace Attorney die really easily compared to real life in general, particularly from blunt trauma. I don't know why they always have them die from single blows. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for Peeslub to kill Pothole with one guitar blow, but he could easily do it with several blows. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! BKSheikah is the new greatone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 11:33:01 PM #35: |
Inga showing up at the end of 6-1 was when I knew SoJ was going places. Also, it's kind of interesting that you can glean from meeting him for the first time that he has prosopagnosia if you already know because Phoenix comments in his inner monologue about how Inga keeps looking him up and down like he's some exotic animal on display.
Also, the cutscene at the end between Dhurke and Datz doesn't feel like it belongs because shouldn't Datz still be in jail at this point? I guess I'm not perfectly clear on the SoJ timeline yet. Anyway, 6-1 complete. That was more fun than I remembered. Numbers soonish. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 07/18/18 11:50:14 PM #36: |
I think 6-1's alright in its best parts but for me it really drags in some places. It's a surprisingly long tutorial case and a lot of it is either going on about how corrupt the legal system is and how they want to kill Phoenix, or it's Peeslubn's music gimmick slowing things to a crawl. Was never a big fan of him personally.
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 11:54:24 PM #37: |
Total lines by character:
1. Phoenix Wright - 20214 2. Miles Edgeworth - 15023 3. Apollo Justice - 6585 4. The Judge - 6307 5. Maya Fey - 4444 6. Dick Gumshoe - 4089 7. Kay Faraday - 3370 8. Athena Cykes - 3254 9. Franziska von Karma - 2314 10. Trucy Wright - 2273 11. Ema Skye - 1897 12. Mia Fey - 1418 13. Pearl Fey - 1230 14. Klavier Gavin - 1154 15. Shi-Long Lang - 1101 16. Simon Blackquill - 1022 17. Justine Courtney - 1016 18. Larry Butz - 1008 19. Raymond Shields - 971 20. Godot - 902 21. Bobby Fulbright - 700 22. Gregory Edgeworth - 649 23. Lotta Hart - 648 24. Tyrell Badd - 593 25. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578 26. Wendy Oldbag - 553 27. Sebastian Debeste - 521 28. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489 29. Adrian Andrews - 459 30. Winston Payne - 453 31. Manfred von Karma - 444 32. The Judge's Brother - 421 33. Shelly de Killer - 387 34. Lamiroir/Thalassa Gramarye - 382 35. Will Powers - 380 36. Simon Keyes - 380 37. Bikini - 351 38. Gaspen Payne - 335 39. Maggey Byrde - 323 40. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320 41. Kristoph Gavin - 319 42. Quercus Alba - 303 43. Valant Gramarye - 298 44. Luke Atmey - 292 45. Damon Gant - 285 46. Juniper Woods - 277 47. Ini Miney - 275 48. Angel Starr - 272 49. Ron DeLite - 271 50. Rhoda Teneiro - 268 51. Katherine Hall - 267 52. Blaise Debeste - 265 53. Regina Berry - 261 54. Jake Marshall - 257 55. Jean Armstrong - 251 56. Nicole Swift - 250 57. Lana Skye - 249 58. Victor Kudo - 247 59. Khura'in Judge - 242 60. Mike Meekins - 235 61. Marvin Grossberg - 234 62. Jacques Portsman - 231 63. Spark Brushel - 230 64. Frank Sahwit - 219 65. Alita Tiala - 219 66. Hugh O'Conner - 218 67. Marlon Rimes - 217 68. Patricia Roland - 217 69. Daryan Crescend - 216 70. Dane Gustavia - 209 71. Horace Knightley - 209 72. Florent L'Belle - 208 73. Maximillion Galactica - 203 74. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200 75. Yuri Cosmos - 199 76. Sasha Buckler - 198 77. Penny Nichols - 194 78. Phineas Filch - 192 79. Jinxie Tenma - 191 80. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182 81. Iris - 181 82. Herman Crab - 180 83. Damian Tenma - 179 84. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178 85. Furio Tigre - 176 86. Zak Gramarye - 174 87. Matt Engarde - 171 88. Sirhan Dogen - 170 89. Cammy Meele - 168 90. Morgan Fey - 165 91. Redd White - 162 92. Aristotle Means - 154 93. Solomon Starbuck - 154 94. John Marsh - 153 95. Robin Newman - 153 96. Delicia Scones - 151 97. Colias Palaeno - 150 98. Dee Vasquez - 148 99. Zinc Lablanc - 146 100. Desiree DeLite - 142 101. Ted Tonate - 141 102. Trilo Quist - 140 103. Wesley Stickler - 138 104. Cody Hackins - 135 105. Norma DePlume - 134 106. Olga Orly - 131 107. Lauren Paups - 130 108. Karin Jenson - 129 109. Myriam Scuttlebutt - 123 110. Aura Blackquill - 122 111. Guy Eldoon - 118 112. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 116 113. Wocky Kitaki - 112 114. Di-Jun Huang - 110 115. The Phantom - 107 116. Richard Wellington - 107 117. April May - 104 118. Vera Misham - 104 119. Jay Elbird - 102 --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/18/18 11:55:18 PM #38: |
120. Yanni Yogi - 98
121. Lance Amano - 92 122. Jeff Master - 90 123. Viola Cadaverini - 80 124. Director Hotti/Doctor Hickfield - 76 125. Plum Kitaki - 76 126. Terry Fawles - 74 127. Drew Misham - 74 128. The Bellboy - 72 129. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 69 130. Ernest Amano - 68 131. Ponco - 66 132. Benjamin Woodman - 60 133. Sal Manella - 59 134. Chief of Detectives - 55 135. Bonnie Young - 53 136. Lisa Basil - 46 137. Clonco - 43 138. Machi Tobaye - 41 139. Orla Shipley - 40 140. Turner Grey - 39 141. Elise Deauxnim - 30 142. Widget - 27 143. Missile - 20 144. Polly - 20 145. Winfred "Big Wins" Kitaki - 20 146. The Amazing Mr. Hat - 19 147. Romein LeTouse - 13 148. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 11 149. Taka - 10 150. Shah'do - 6 151. Datz Are'bal - 1 152. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 1 Overall total lines - 106162 Total lines by case: 2-4 - 5946 1-5 - 5913 3-5 - 5815 E1-5 - 4831 E2-5 - 4777 4-3 - 4494 3-2 - 4151 3-3 - 4063 E2-3 - 3959 4-4 - 3952 E2-2 - 3936 2-3 - 3884 5-2 - 3750 5-6 - 3616 4-2 - 3468 1-4 - 3466 5-3 - 3202 2-2 - 3119 E1-4 - 2935 E2-4 - 2868 1-3 - 2741 5-5 - 2550 E1-3 - 2412 5-4 - 2018 E1-2 - 1995 E2-1 - 1923 1-2 - 1773 4-1 - 1421 6-1 - 1362 3-4 - 1225 3-1 - 1167 5-1 - 1102 E1-1 - 1039 2-1 - 899 4-0 - 679 1-1 - 389 Total lines by character per case: The Foreign Turnabout (6-1) 1. Phoenix Wright - 514 (37.74%) 2. Khura'in Judge - 242 (17.77%) 3. Gaspen Payne - 184 (13.51%) 4. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178 (13.07%) 5. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 116 (8.52%) 6. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 69 (5.07%) 7. Other - 40 8. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 11 9. Shah'do - 6 10. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 1 11. Datz Are'bal - 1 --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/19/18 4:45:58 PM #39: |
it's kind of weird that Phoenix goes away on his trip to see Maya right before Trucy's big television debut
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Paratroopa1 07/19/18 4:54:51 PM #40: |
LeonhartFour posted...
it's kind of weird that Phoenix goes away on his trip to see Maya right before Trucy's big television debut this has always bothered the FUCK out of me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/19/18 4:56:01 PM #41: |
also I'm realizing it might be kind of tricky at times during the investigation day to tell whether I'm talking to Bonny or Betty
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LeonhartFour 07/19/18 5:03:14 PM #42: |
I mean I sorta get why they did it the way they did because if you're going to have Trucy as a client, she's got a stronger connection to Apollo than Phoenix despite their father/daughter relationship, and it'd be even weirder if Phoenix were around and wasn't the one defending his daughter.
I guess it'd be better if they just changed the circumstances around her arrest a bit, like have her TV show not be set to air until after Phoenix is supposed to come back. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Team Rocket Elite 07/19/18 5:31:33 PM #43: |
Phoenix didn't original plan to go there early. He went because he thought Maya was in trouble:
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LeonhartFour 07/19/18 5:32:17 PM #44: |
oh right I forgot about that prologue
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Paratroopa1 07/19/18 5:36:59 PM #45: |
LeonhartFour posted...
oh right I forgot about that prologue oh yeah, me too the prologue never fucking gets brought up though and Phoenix doesn't act like he's worried about Maya in 6-1 so like I don't even know if I consider it canon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 07/19/18 5:38:27 PM #46: |
Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though.
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bwburke94 07/19/18 6:19:06 PM #47: |
I'm about to replay 4-3. This is gonna suck.
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Paratroopa1 07/19/18 7:52:28 PM #48: |
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I'm about to replay 4-3. This is gonna suck. it will be a lot more painless than you think ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_SecretSquirrel 07/19/18 9:19:14 PM #49: |
LeonhartFour posted...
Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though. But isn't it a part of Retinz's plan in 6-2 that he timed his scheme when Phoenix was out of the country? --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! BKSheikah is the new greatone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bwburke94 07/19/18 9:33:06 PM #50: |
_SecretSquirrel posted...
LeonhartFour posted...Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though. Phoenix left for Khura'in during the weekend of April 22-23. Mistree died the following Thursday, April 27. If Retinz was planning to do it while Phoenix was away, he'd only have four days of prep time for the plan... yet Bonny and Betty could conceivably have been brought in as late as Wednesday. (In true Ace Attorney fashion, I left a deliberate contradiction here. Let's see if you can figure it out.) --- All your old meme are belong to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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