Current Events > Photo of a woman condemned to die in a crate in a remote desert (1913).

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nicklebro posted...

And what if he has the knowledge that even if he could help, it'd do more harm in the end anyways? Cuz that's what anthropologists are telling you and you're letting your emotions get the best of you when you claim they're full of s***.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And it's people like you who claim you know better than people who's profession it is to know this kinda thing. All because of a knee jerk emotional reaction based on 0 knowledge 0 expertise and 0 logic. You think they're ignoring people in need out of pure apathy? Cmon man, think better.

You don't need to be an expert in a certain field to hold a desire for a type of society you want to live in. That's also logical from an evolutionary standpoint.

Human solidarity should trump notions of "professionalism" (and should also be a very knee-jerk reaction).

See you chalking it up to mere professionalism proved my point that you're too ignorant on the subject to be able to contribute anything meaningful critiques. This isn't just about tradition or professionalism, it's the knowledge that you'll likely end up doing more harm than good.

You don't even know what you don't know. So again, just take my advice and defer to the professionals and don't let your knee jerk reactions allow you to sacrifice long term improvement for short term gains.

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Also, this is a strawman and tbh I think you're actually making a more emotional argument out of assumptions than me. And I say that as someone who posits that human emotion is undoubtedly needed for social cohesion and doesn't shy away from that accusation.

You don't know what a strawman argument is, and you're obviously incapable of defending the accusation that my argument is borne out of emotion since it requires you to suppress your emotional desires in order to do what you know is right.

Cmon man, you know you're just talking out your ass now, you're not even trying to base your argument on anything objective.

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Foppe posted...

And why does she deserve to be released and not everybody else that got the same punishment?

This is another strawman. Nobody is suggesting anthropologists go on a crusade to seek out every victim around the globe.

Actually your post is the strawman since no one came close to accusing you of saying anthropologists should circle the globe looking for victims to save, but that's what you accused him of saying since that's far easier to argue against than actual reality.
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This womans suffering ended over a hundred years ago.
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Adultery is no little crime but I feel this punishment is not appropriate, if she is to die a quick death like a bullet to the head, drowning, or even hanging is a much better option.

Being left in a crate to strave to death should only be given to child molesters, rapists, and people who thrill kill.

This punishment does not fit the crime.
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nicklebro posted...

See you chalking it up to mere professionalism proved my point that you're too ignorant on the subject to be able to contribute anything meaningful critiques.

You're being a bit of a drama queen over a simple disagreement and I also don't waste time on multi-quote arguments past two passages, so I see no reason to read the rest of your post.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Adultery is no little crime but I feel this punishment is not appropriate, if she is to die a quick death like a bullet to the head, drowning, or even hanging is a much better option.

Being left in a crate to strave to death should only be given to child molesters, rapists, and people who thrill kill.

This punishment does not fit the crime.

I think I see where they are coming from though, not that I agree with it either. Adultery is a transgression born out of discontent with their current spouse so they seek pleasure with another person. So the punishment is one that forces the offender to be truly alone and miserable until their death.
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haloiscoolisbak posted...

he photographer had to leave her in the box because it would be against a prime directive of anthropologists to intervene in another cultures law and order system.

what a lame excuse.

no offence to other cultures but we have international laws and shit, if you're stuck in the stone age then we have the right to intervene

Then why don't 1st and maybe second world countries send a total of 5 million soldiers armed to the teeth and make the Middle East unstuck from the stone age then?

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nicklebro posted...

See you chalking it up to mere professionalism proved my point that you're too ignorant on the subject to be able to contribute anything meaningful critiques.

You're being a bit of a drama queen over a simple disagreement and I also don't waste time on multi-quote arguments past two passages, so I see no reason to read the rest of your post.

I'm not surprised, you obviously have no interest in learning from people that know more than you do, and I have no interest in teaching people who choose to be ignorant. Just know that you're gonna have to grow up eventually.
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nicklebro posted...

I'm not surprised, you obviously have no interest in learning from people that know more than you do, and I have no interest in teaching people who choose to be ignorant. Just know that you're gonna have to grow up eventually.

I'll still engage with you even if you get this emotional about an internet disagreement, but in that case it can't be very long. If you had conducted yourself intelligently and maturely then you'd have earned your readers' full attention.
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I like how a picture of a barbaric execution has turned into an argument about how a anthropologist in a foreign land should singlehandedly defy local law by breaking a woman out and covertly taking her out of the country.
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The picture quality is surprisingly good.
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You guys are all really exaggerating the onus here. "What do you expect him to do, karate chop the enclosure open, piggy-back ride her to the beach, swim across the ocean, and then buy her a drink to celebrate???" Like this is at least the third post I've read where someone has ascribed imaginary courses of action that clearly nobody is suggesting.

Person not being tortured in a box > being tortured in a box. That's a good starting point to try and do something about.
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You guys are all really exaggerating the onus here. "What do you expect him to do, karate chop the enclosure open, piggy-back ride her to the beach, swim across the ocean, and then buy her a drink to celebrate???" Like this is at least the third post I've read where someone has ascribed imaginary courses of action that clearly nobody is suggesting.

Person not being tortured in a box > being tortured in a box. That's a good starting point to try and do something about.

Persons not being on the death row in US prisons > being on the death row in US prisons.
So how do you solve it?
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Damn I wonder what she did
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Foppe posted...

Persons not being on the death row in US prisons > being on the death row in US prisons.
So how do you solve it?

Organizations like the NCADP and The Innocence Project and social activism.
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You guys are all really exaggerating the onus here. "What do you expect him to do, karate chop the enclosure open, piggy-back ride her to the beach, swim across the ocean, and then buy her a drink to celebrate???" Like this is at least the third post I've read where someone has ascribed imaginary courses of action that clearly nobody is suggesting.

Person not being tortured in a box > being tortured in a box. That's a good starting point to try and do something about.

And then... what? Does he take care of her? Send her on her way? Now she'd be an escaped prisoner, regardless of how ridiculous it is for her "crime" to exist.
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Foppe posted...

Persons not being on the death row in US prisons > being on the death row in US prisons.
So how do you solve it?

Organizations like the NCADP and The Innocence Project and social activism.

Mhm, but she most likely starved to death before he could do that.
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Foppe posted...

Mhm, but she most likely starved to death before he could do that.

Indeed. You asked for solutions to abolishing the death penalty in the US.

hockeybub89 posted...

And then... what? Does he take care of her? Send her on her way? Now she'd be an escaped prisoner, regardless of how ridiculous it is for her "crime" to exist.

Like I said before, I don't know what resources he had at the time, so I couldn't say. Maybe nothing else. Being out of a torture device is a good start.

I already covered all this with "what is possible". Again, it's a strawman to assert that anyone is demanding superhero intervention.
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Release her, local police will capture both her and him, putting them in boxes, and relationships between the countries goes deep down, and now?
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Kitt posted...

https://imgur.com/a8Etsb3
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Russman posted...

Its fascinating to look at past cultures

Past cultures? Stuff like this still happens in a lot of countries. You can still get necklaced in much of africa for being gay.

I'm curious to know what this is, but something tells me I don't want to know.

Necklacing was a form of lynch mob execution particularly prevalent in apartheid era South Africa where a car tire filled with gasoline would be placed over the head of the victim (or forced downwards further to restrain the arms) and set alight.

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nicklebro posted...

I'm not surprised, you obviously have no interest in learning from people that know more than you do, and I have no interest in teaching people who choose to be ignorant. Just know that you're gonna have to grow up eventually.

I'll still engage with you even if you get this emotional about an internet disagreement, but in that case it can't be very long. If you had conducted yourself intelligently and maturely then you'd have earned your readers' full attention.

Lol you keep making the mistake of thinking anyone cares what you say or what you read. You got so butthurt you pretended to not even read part of my post. Why would I want to engage with someone that childish when they've already exposed themselves to be willfully and woefully ignorant? You have nothing to offer anyone...
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nicklebro posted...

Lol you keep making the mistake of thinking anyone cares what you say or what you read. You got so butthurt you pretended to not even read part of my post. Why would I want to engage with someone that childish when they've already exposed themselves to be willfully and woefully ignorant? You have nothing to offer anyone...

Responds by asking why he'd want to respond.
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Because "the right thing" is not always what you think it is.

In this case it is. The right thing is setting her free. I understand someone might not in fear of retaliation and getting punished, but clearly that is the right thing to do.
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I said engage, not respond. Of course your Ignorance is getting the best of you again. I have no interest in discussing the topic at hand with you because on top of having no clue what you're talking about, you're also just an unpleasant poster that seems to be content with their ignorance. I have no problem posting to let you know that, what I won't do is take you seriously.
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nicklebro posted...

I said engage, not respond

From now on I'll only bother reading the first sentence of each of your posts. If they become anymore mature I'll gradually increase that by one sentence each time.
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Tag for later
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So nicklebro is admiting defeat in this argument.
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I think he may have gotten away with helping her nowadays due to the universal declaration of human rights
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Kevin Carter was wracked with guilt and spiraled into depression and eventually suicide after taking that famous picture of a starving collapsed child with a vulture waiting nearby.

Also note that Nick Ut helped Kim Phuc, the little Vietnamese girl who was running and screaming from her napalm burns, after he snapped her picture. Being a professional in the field shouldn't absolve you from your obligation as a human.
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Kevin Carter was wracked with guilt and spiraled into depression and eventually suicide after taking that famous picture of a starving collapsed child with a vulture waiting nearby.

Also note that Nick Ut helped Kim Phuc, the little Vietnamese girl who was running and screaming from her napalm burns, after he snapped her picture. Being a professional in the field shouldn't absolve you from your obligation as a human.

Kevin Carter spent his last few months being attacked by Ignorant people like you, he wasn't racked with guilt, he did nothing wrong and the girl he photographed lived after he chased away the vulture behind her he was depressed and a drug addict which isn't surprising considering the line of work he was in. Regardless that's a completely different situation and I'm not surprised you're incapable of recognizing context. Same exact thing with Nick Ut, to compare these two instances with the woman in the crate shows just how ignorant you are.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

The photographer had to leave her in the box because it would be against a prime directive of anthropologists to intervene in another cultures law and order system.

My BA is in anthropology, but this (increasingly abandoned) idea is why went on to study and work in public health instead of trying to get a job in anthropology. Also because good luck finding a job in anthropology, but that's besides the point.
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nicklebro posted...

Kevin Carter spent his last few months being attacked by Ignorant people like you, he wasn't racked with guilt, he did nothing wrong and the girl he photographed lived after he chased away the vulture behind her he was depressed and a drug addict which isn't surprising considering the line of work he was in.

He was depressed because of his experiences as a photojournalist. Money and relationship problems just added to that.
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nicklebro posted...

Kevin Carter spent his last few months being attacked by Ignorant people like you, he wasn't racked with guilt, he did nothing wrong and the girl he photographed lived after he chased away the vulture behind her he was depressed and a drug addict which isn't surprising considering the line of work he was in.

He was depressed because of his experiences as a photojournalist. Money and relationship problems just added to that.

Yeah, not guilt
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nicklebro posted...

Yeah, not guilt

If he's depressed to a personal level about that it's illogical not to implicate guilt being a part of it, even if he didn't deserve to feel that way.

"The photographer who took that photo, Kevin Carter, committed suicide three months later over regret that he had not helped the child."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/famine-grips-east-africa-photo/2011/07/27/gIQAxfg5cI_blog.html?utm_term=.9d0876ec8fca
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nicklebro posted...

Yeah, not guilt

If he's depressed to a personal level about that it's illogical not to implicate guilt being a part of it, even if he didn't deserve to feel that way.

"The photographer who took that photo, Kevin Carter, committed suicide three months later over regret that he had not helped the child."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/famine-grips-east-africa-photo/2011/07/27/gIQAxfg5cI_blog.html?utm_term=.9d0876ec8fca

But he did help the child when he chased the vulture away, and she lived as far as he knew. Regardless, this has nothing to do with the policy of anthropologists to not intervene with the subjects they're studying, you somehow thinks that means they're not allowed to help anyone at all ever. That's clearly a very silly way of looking at this and blatantly incorrect.
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nicklebro posted...

But he did help the child when he chased the vulture away, and she lived as far as he knew.

Depression is not always rational. He probably felt bad he couldn't do more or something.
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nicklebro posted...

But he did help the child when he chased the vulture away, and she lived as far as he knew.

Depression is not always rational. He probably felt bad he couldn't do more or something.

You're just baselessly speculating about something you have absolutely no idea about.
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nicklebro posted...

You're just baselessly speculating about something you have absolutely no idea about.

Speculating, yes. Baselessly, no.
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