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Vol2tex
07/28/18 4:30:39 PM
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Was walking around Williamsburg (Brooklyn), so many nice restaurants and bars and apartments...this stretch of about 6 blocks along Bedford Ave must have over a two dozen restaurants. Then you have these quirky stores, pop-up places (saw a pop-up fitness center), diners...
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EnragedSlith
07/28/18 4:31:22 PM
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TheDarkCircle
07/28/18 4:31:40 PM
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the only people who complain about it are the ones who are doing the gentrifying

and I used to live over that way. It was p nice
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electricbugs2
07/28/18 4:34:00 PM
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There's an area in my hometown called Harewood, but most people always referred to it as "Scarewood".

Full of heroin, prostitution, shootings etc. (Always makes me laugh when Americans think our whole country is some crime free paradise).

These days though they put in a bunch of million dollar townhouses and multi million subdivisions. Audi's and BMW's all over the place so all the riff raff got pushed out for the most part.

Edit: Whoops. If you couldn't tell I think it's a good thing. No more people shooting up needles outside King Arthur's Court lol.
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ArchiePeck
07/28/18 4:34:01 PM
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Marginalizes the lower classes by increasing rent levels and thus lowering their ability to ever save enough to get on the property ladder - largely creating a fixed two tier society of homeowner and renters.

It allows us existing property owners to get richer though!
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Vol2tex
07/28/18 4:44:39 PM
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electricbugs2 posted...
There's an area in my hometown called Harewood, but most people always referred to it as "Scarewood".

Full of heroin, prostitution, shootings etc. (Always makes me laugh when Americans think our whole country is some crime free paradise).

These days though they put in a bunch of million dollar townhouses and multi million subdivisions. Audi's and BMW's all over the place so all the riff raff got pushed out for the most part.

Edit: Whoops. If you couldn't tell I think it's a good thing. No more people shooting up needles outside King Arthur's Court lol.


That does sound like a positive.
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Vol2tex
07/28/18 5:14:07 PM
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TheDarkCircle posted...
the only people who complain about it are the ones who are doing the gentrifying

and I used to live over that way. It was p nice


How long ago?

And then you walk a block or two and there's the waterfront.
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butthole666
07/28/18 5:17:44 PM
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Real estate developers gentrifying and causing living costs to skyrocket, thus pushing out low income residents = bad

People moving into a neighborhood they are not native to and gentrifying because they are people and need a fucking place to live = fine
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electricbugs2
07/28/18 5:19:02 PM
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butthole666 posted...
Real estate developers gentrifying and causing living costs to skyrocket, thus pushing out low income residents = bad

No not at all.
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Hawaiian_punch
07/28/18 5:20:44 PM
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Say you have a nice area and a shit area.

The nice area grows. What are you supposed to do, keep the shitty area shitty and stiffle economic growth (which could provide jobs for the people living in the shitty area!) and the improvement of the community so the anti-gentrification people don't get mad?
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butthole666
07/28/18 5:20:53 PM
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electricbugs2 posted...
butthole666 posted...
Real estate developers gentrifying and causing living costs to skyrocket, thus pushing out low income residents = bad

No not at all.

Not surprising at all.
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ASithLord7
07/28/18 5:21:38 PM
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I mean it has positives and negatives, but I'll take seeing a Starbucks on the corner in Oakland over drug deals and murders
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Paper_Okami
07/28/18 5:21:39 PM
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it's objectively bad

you can improve an area, without pushing residents out
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tremain07
07/28/18 5:21:50 PM
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It's basically pushing out trash so that rich trash can have a playground. If it happens to you, it's your fault for living in a bad area.
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electricbugs2
07/28/18 5:22:03 PM
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butthole666 posted...
Not surprising at all.

Vol2tex posted...
There's an area in my hometown called Harewood, but most people always referred to it as "Scarewood".

Full of heroin, prostitution, shootings etc.

Yeah cause shit like this is great!

Oh wait...
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Hawaiian_punch
07/28/18 5:22:46 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
it's objectively bad

you can improve an area, without pushing residents out


Are we talking about men in suits kicking down door and dragging people by the hair (bad), or people having to leave indirectly because rent and taxes go up?
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Paper_Okami
07/28/18 5:23:25 PM
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Hawaiian_punch posted...
or people having to leave indirectly because rent and taxes go up?


that is objectively bad
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Smashingpmkns
07/28/18 5:24:31 PM
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Imagine paying $600k for a house that's really worth $100k just because they built a Trader Joe's and a strip mall down the block from it last year.

Obviously that's an oversimplification, but gentrification raises costs for shit houses and young adults who are into living in these newly "unslumified" areas are too fucking dumb to realize that they're getting swindled to hell and back.
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LinksLiege
07/28/18 5:24:49 PM
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It's laughable that it's treated like a strictly racial thing.
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gmanthebest
07/28/18 5:28:27 PM
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It's a good thing.
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KILBOTz
07/28/18 5:32:09 PM
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I support property tax being frozen at purchase price (1 house only) and update at ownership changes. Other than that I see no issue with gentrification.
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eston
07/28/18 5:43:14 PM
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It sucks in the short term because it pushes people out, but in the long term I think it's a net positive
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Vol2tex
07/28/18 7:32:29 PM
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Sativa_Rose
07/28/18 7:36:49 PM
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I support it because really all it means is that the neighborhood has improved to a point where lots of new people are moving to it. If you want to prevent rents from going up significantly, the solution is to expand housing construction either there or in other parts of the city. The issue of rents going up is due to the lack of new supply to match the growth in demand that most cities are going through. Population growth rates in cities can be pretty high. The real culprits in all this are the zoning laws and NIMBY people who fight against any new construction at all costs.

Also if you want to see what ungentrified Williamsburg still looks like, walk down towards the intersection of Broadway & Flushing Ave.
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Vol2tex
07/28/18 7:38:36 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
I support it because really all it means is that the neighborhood has improved to a point where lots of new people are moving to it. If you want to prevent rents from going up significantly, the solution is to expand housing construction either there or in other parts of the city. The issue of rents going up is due to the lack of new supply to match the growth in demand that most cities are going through. Population growth rates in cities can be pretty high. The real culprits in all this are the zoning laws and NIMBY people who fight against any new construction at all costs.

Also if you want to see what ungentrified Williamsburg still looks like, walk down towards the intersection of Broadway & Flushing Ave.


Would that be off the G line?

I might have passed by it on the B62 heading from Williamsburg to Jay St but I do notice that the neighborhood changes after a while.
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Sativa_Rose
07/28/18 7:40:07 PM
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Vol2tex posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I support it because really all it means is that the neighborhood has improved to a point where lots of new people are moving to it. If you want to prevent rents from going up significantly, the solution is to expand housing construction either there or in other parts of the city. The issue of rents going up is due to the lack of new supply to match the growth in demand that most cities are going through. Population growth rates in cities can be pretty high. The real culprits in all this are the zoning laws and NIMBY people who fight against any new construction at all costs.

Also if you want to see what ungentrified Williamsburg still looks like, walk down towards the intersection of Broadway & Flushing Ave.


Would that be off the G line?

I might have passed by it on the B62 heading from Williamsburg to Jay St but I do notice that the neighborhood changes after a while.


You would have to switch to the JMZ line and go to the Flushing Ave stop (or one of the couple before it), which I think requires leaving the station and paying the fare again because you are going from an underground train to an above ground train.
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Vol2tex
07/28/18 7:42:44 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Vol2tex posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I support it because really all it means is that the neighborhood has improved to a point where lots of new people are moving to it. If you want to prevent rents from going up significantly, the solution is to expand housing construction either there or in other parts of the city. The issue of rents going up is due to the lack of new supply to match the growth in demand that most cities are going through. Population growth rates in cities can be pretty high. The real culprits in all this are the zoning laws and NIMBY people who fight against any new construction at all costs.

Also if you want to see what ungentrified Williamsburg still looks like, walk down towards the intersection of Broadway & Flushing Ave.


Would that be off the G line?

I might have passed by it on the B62 heading from Williamsburg to Jay St but I do notice that the neighborhood changes after a while.


You would have to switch to the JMZ line and go to the Flushing Ave stop (or one of the couple before it), which I think requires leaving the station and paying the fare again because you are going from an underground train to an above ground train.


Oh ok. Unless I passed close by to it on the B62 bus, I guess I would have to check it out.
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Hawaiian_punch
07/29/18 3:21:11 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
or people having to leave indirectly because rent and taxes go up?


that is objectively bad


welp, that settles it, let's keep shitty areas shitty so people can keep living there
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Paper_Okami
07/29/18 9:00:49 PM
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Hawaiian_punch posted...
welp, that settles it, let's keep shitty areas shitty so people can keep living there


you can improve things without screwing over the people who live there
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Hawaiian_punch
07/30/18 12:20:32 AM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
welp, that settles it, let's keep shitty areas shitty so people can keep living there


you can improve things without screwing over the people who live there


again, you gotta be specific about what it is.

Having people kick down doors and kick people out? Bad.

The fact that a new mall opened across the street and your own property value went up and companies started investing in the area and the prices are starting to go up? No, you can't tell the market "don't invest here! Keep this area shitty so this dude here is happy!"
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HashtagTartarus
07/30/18 12:21:56 AM
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It's really fucked up that people used to do that to little boys just to preserve their singing voices.
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Paper_Okami
07/30/18 12:54:31 AM
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Hawaiian_punch posted...
Keep this area shitty so this dude here is happy!"


people shouldn't be kicked out of their houses just because property values go up.
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Complete_Idi0t
07/30/18 1:10:57 AM
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The Jews shouldn't get upset when non-jews want to live in their neighborhood, that's what I think
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soulunison2
07/30/18 1:11:39 AM
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tc you should come to the next NYCE meet up you seem chill
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Butterfiles
07/30/18 1:12:30 AM
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all i know is i fucking hate whole foods
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silentwing26x
07/30/18 1:23:34 AM
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Gentrification is a fantastic thing that turns slums and dumps into places that are livable. Parts of Chicago that were once uninhabitable because of the drugs and violence are now safe because of it.
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Hawaiian_punch
07/30/18 9:01:58 AM
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silentwing26x posted...
Gentrification is a fantastic thing that turns slums and dumps into places that are livable. Parts of Chicago that were once uninhabitable because of the drugs and violence are now safe because of it.


exactly.

Imagine putting the brakes on that process to make a few activists happy
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