Current Events > One argument I hate the most is "whataboutism".

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IdiotMachine 08/04/18 10:22:13 AM #1:	It deflects and does not make the original prose any more (in)correct. Example: "Person A was found to skull fuck a recently deceased body. He is being charged for desecration of a corpse." "But what about Person B that did the same thing and nobody cared?" --- https://imgur.com/XNEdLrJ <cite>IdiotMachine posted [p:906250611] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>It deflects and does not make the original prose any more (in)correct. Example: "Person A was found to skull fuck a recently deceased body. He is being charged for desecration of a corpse." "But what about Person B that did the same thing and nobody cared?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 08/04/18 10:25:12 AM #2:	it works in some cases. for example, a debate about an election... "i can't vote for person A because he did thing x" "ok but what about person B doing [something similar or very closely related to thing x]" But that's not how people use it, so you're right. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:906250701] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>it works in some cases. for example, a debate about an election... "i can't vote for person A because he did thing x" "ok but what about person B doing [something similar or very closely related to thing x]" But that's not how people use it, so you're right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSextMachine 08/04/18 10:25:53 AM #3:	It proves that there are double standards, and that people are hypocrites. --- If you are reading this chances are I am pooping. <cite>TheSextMachine posted [p:906250721] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>It proves that there are double standards, and that people are hypocrites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 08/04/18 10:26:43 AM #4:	TheSextMachine posted... It proves that there are double standards, and that people are hypocrites. Both sides use that term hypocritically though lol --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:906250756] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheSextMachine posted...</cite> <quote>It proves that there are double standards, and that people are hypocrites.</quote> Both sides use that term hypocritically though lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Biscuit 08/04/18 10:27:25 AM #5:	VipaGTS posted... it works in some cases. for example, a debate about an election... "i can't vote for person A because he did thing x" "ok but what about person B doing [something similar or very closely related to thing x]" But that's not how people use it, so you're right. Yeah, whataboutism works in a present debate between multiple choices It does not work when discussing a single persons actions --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:906250775] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>it works in some cases. for example, a debate about an election... "i can't vote for person A because he did thing x" "ok but what about person B doing [something similar or very closely related to thing x]" But that's not how people use it, so you're right.</quote> Yeah, whataboutism works in a present debate between multiple choices It does not work when discussing a single persons actions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 08/04/18 10:27:43 AM #6:	What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:906250782] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSextMachine 08/04/18 10:29:07 AM #7:	BignutzisBack posted... TheSextMachine posted... It proves that there are double standards, and that people are hypocrites. Both sides use that term hypocritically though lol Exactly. --- If you are reading this chances are I am pooping. <cite>TheSextMachine posted [p:906250839] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheSextMachine posted...</cite> <quote>It proves that there are double standards, and that people are hypocrites.</quote> Both sides use that term hypocritically though lol</quote> Exactly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 08/04/18 10:29:44 AM #8:	Romes187 posted... What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system. then its still a deflection. if Person A did something wrong and the discussion is about how that thing is wrong, don't come in and say "WELL YOU DIDN'T CARE WHEN PERSON B DID IT!"...that doesn't change that Person A did it. and if YOU personally don't care about what Person A did, pretending you care that Person B did it just to call someone out doesn't add to the debate at all. it just makes you look petty. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:906250858] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system.</quote> then its still a deflection. if Person A did something wrong and the discussion is about how that thing is wrong, don't come in and say "WELL YOU DIDN'T CARE WHEN PERSON B DID IT!"...that doesn't change that Person A did it. and if YOU personally don't care about what Person A did, pretending you care that Person B did it just to call someone out doesn't add to the debate at all. it just makes you look petty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 08/04/18 10:33:55 AM #9:	VipaGTS posted... Romes187 posted... What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system. then its still a deflection. if Person A did something wrong and the discussion is about how that thing is wrong, don't come in and say "WELL YOU DIDN'T CARE WHEN PERSON B DID IT!"...that doesn't change that Person A did it. and if YOU personally don't care about what Person A did, pretending you care that Person B did it just to call someone out doesn't add to the debate at all. it just makes you look petty. That's very true. Would be lovely if everyone held "their side" to the same standards though. I wonder what our politics would be like if we did... :) <cite>Romes187 posted [p:906250978] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system.</quote> then its still a deflection. if Person A did something wrong and the discussion is about how that thing is wrong, don't come in and say "WELL YOU DIDN'T CARE WHEN PERSON B DID IT!"...that doesn't change that Person A did it. and if YOU personally don't care about what Person A did, pretending you care that Person B did it just to call someone out doesn't add to the debate at all. it just makes you look petty.</quote> That's very true. Would be lovely if everyone held "their side" to the same standards though. I wonder what our politics would be like if we did... :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darksaber310 08/04/18 10:39:09 AM #10:	VipaGTS posted... Romes187 posted... What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system. then its still a deflection. if Person A did something wrong and the discussion is about how that thing is wrong, don't come in and say "WELL YOU DIDN'T CARE WHEN PERSON B DID IT!"...that doesn't change that Person A did it. and if YOU personally don't care about what Person A did, pretending you care that Person B did it just to call someone out doesn't add to the debate at all. it just makes you look petty. But that's literally the crux of these debates. The standards that people have evaporate in the face of alignment. If I'm gonna argue or debate someone on a point and I see someone note that they didn't have anything to say when (insert person they like) did it then what's the point of even starting? You're not changing their position, and they're not coming to the table in good faith. No debate can even begin without those. --- Once again snatching defeat, From the jaws of victory. <cite>Darksaber310 posted [p:906251173] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system.</quote> then its still a deflection. if Person A did something wrong and the discussion is about how that thing is wrong, don't come in and say "WELL YOU DIDN'T CARE WHEN PERSON B DID IT!"...that doesn't change that Person A did it. and if YOU personally don't care about what Person A did, pretending you care that Person B did it just to call someone out doesn't add to the debate at all. it just makes you look petty.</quote> But that's literally the crux of these debates. The standards that people have evaporate in the face of alignment. If I'm gonna argue or debate someone on a point and I see someone note that they didn't have anything to say when (insert person they like) did it then what's the point of even starting? You're not changing their position, and they're not coming to the table in good faith. No debate can even begin without those.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 08/04/18 10:41:38 AM #11:	This is trumpeters tactic 101 --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:906251254] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>This is trumpeters tactic 101</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 08/04/18 10:43:25 AM #12:	Person A left a few puppies in a burning building while saving hundreds more from said building. Person B burns puppies to maintain an erection. Person B gets called a terrible person. "But what about person A being a puppy burner?!?!?!" <cite>Raikuro posted [p:906251318] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>Person A left a few puppies in a burning building while saving hundreds more from said building. Person B burns puppies to maintain an erection. Person B gets called a terrible person. "But what about person A being a puppy burner?!?!?!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/04/18 10:44:41 AM #13:	Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:906251360] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 08/04/18 10:45:05 AM #14:	The best part is when I say both sides engage in whataboutism they claim I'm doing it. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:906251372] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>The best part is when I say both sides engage in whataboutism they claim I'm doing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 08/04/18 10:45:21 AM #15:	Doom_Art posted... Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments I've seen you use them many times before --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:906251380] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> I've seen you use them many times before</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 10:54:26 AM #16:	Romes187 posted... What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system. That's how it's used more often than not, and it is valid there. However, the people who SHOULD recognize that choose not to. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906251697] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>What if the argument is that you think someone is just virtue signaling and to prove it you are trying to bring up the fact that the person did not seem to mind when it was an inconvenience to their own belief system.</quote> That's how it's used more often than not, and it is valid there. However, the people who SHOULD recognize that choose not to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSextMachine 08/04/18 10:59:02 AM #17:	spudger posted... This is trumpeters tactic 101 And it only works like it does because the left allows stuff to slide on their side as much as they do. If they cared about being the "good guys" as much as they say they would hold their people to a higher standard. --- If you are reading this chances are I am pooping. <cite>TheSextMachine posted [p:906251857] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>This is trumpeters tactic 101</quote> And it only works like it does because the left allows stuff to slide on their side as much as they do. If they cared about being the "good guys" as much as they say they would hold their people to a higher standard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/04/18 11:02:26 AM #18:	Doom_Art posted... Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906251974] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:07:10 AM #19:	Tyranthraxus posted... Doom_Art posted... Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other. Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252125] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other.</quote> Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/04/18 11:08:13 AM #20:	darkjedilink posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Doom_Art posted... Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other. Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. Have you even SEEN her emails tho? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906252154] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other.</quote> Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere.</quote> Have you even SEEN her emails tho?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:09:28 AM #22:	Tyranthraxus posted... darkjedilink posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Doom_Art posted... Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other. Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. Have you even SEEN her emails tho? As a matter of fact, I have. The woman should be in prison, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a partisan hypocrite. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252205] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other.</quote> Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere.</quote> Have you even SEEN her emails tho?</quote> As a matter of fact, I have. The woman should be in prison, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a partisan hypocrite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rimmer_Dall 08/04/18 11:09:43 AM #23:	People keep complaining about "whataboutism" when people are pointing out legit examples of double-standards and hypocrisy. --- "The cheese it yours turtles." ~ William Shakespeare <cite>Rimmer_Dall posted [p:906252219] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>People keep complaining about "whataboutism" when people are pointing out legit examples of double-standards and hypocrisy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 08/04/18 11:12:03 AM #24:	TheSextMachine posted... spudger posted... This is trumpeters tactic 101 And it only works like it does because the left allows stuff to slide on their side as much as they do. If they cared about being the "good guys" as much as they say they would hold their people to a higher standard. xD literally proving my point lol --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:906252283] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheSextMachine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>This is trumpeters tactic 101</quote> And it only works like it does because the left allows stuff to slide on their side as much as they do. If they cared about being the "good guys" as much as they say they would hold their people to a higher standard.</quote> xD literally proving my point lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:13:19 AM #25:	Rimmer_Dall posted... People keep complaining about "whataboutism" when people are pointing out legit examples of double-standards and hypocrisy. This thread is actually kind of proof, imo - I don't find it a coincidence that this thread is created in the heat of the Jeong situation at NYT. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252331] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rimmer_Dall posted...</cite> <quote>People keep complaining about "whataboutism" when people are pointing out legit examples of double-standards and hypocrisy.</quote> This thread is actually kind of proof, imo - I don't find it a coincidence that this thread is created in the heat of the Jeong situation at NYT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/04/18 11:15:37 AM #26:	darkjedilink posted... As a matter of fact, I have. The woman should be in prison, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a partisan hypocrite. But her emails --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:906252422] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>As a matter of fact, I have. The woman should be in prison, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a partisan hypocrite.</quote> But her emails</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 08/04/18 11:15:37 AM #27:	darkjedilink posted... Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:906252423] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. </quote> this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/04/18 11:16:03 AM #28:	Tyranthraxus posted... Doom_Art posted... Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other. part of the problem is the false notion that the two major US parties are on different sides --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:906252438] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Whataboutism and "both sides" are among the laziest and dumbest arguments</quote> They're also disingenuous when it comes to politics. Yes there are some morally questionable folks on both sides but one side is clearly a lot worse than the other.</quote> part of the problem is the false notion that the two major US parties are on different sides</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:18:11 AM #29:	VipaGTS posted... darkjedilink posted... Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time. What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?" --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252505] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. </quote> this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time.</quote> What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/04/18 11:18:28 AM #30:	averagejoel posted... part of the problem is the false notion that the two major US parties are on different sides House Vote for Net Neutrality ForAgainst Rep2234 Dem1776 Senate Vote for Net Neutrality ForAgainst Rep046 Dem520 Money in Elections and Voting Campaign Finance Disclosure Requirements ForAgainst Rep039 Dem590 DISCLOSE Act ForAgainst Rep045 Dem530 Backup Paper Ballots - Voting Record ForAgainst Rep20170 Dem2280 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act ForAgainst Rep838 Dem513 Sets reasonable limits on the raising and spending of money by electoral candidates to influence elections (Reverse Citizens United) ForAgainst Rep042 Dem540 The Economy/Jobs Limits Interest Rates for Certain Federal Student Loans ForAgainst Rep046 Dem466 Student Loan Affordability Act ForAgainst Rep051 Dem451 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Funding Amendment ForAgainst Rep141 Dem540 End the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection ForAgainst Rep391 Dem154 Kill Credit Default Swap Regulations ForAgainst Rep382 Dem1836 Revokes tax credits for businesses that move jobs overseas ForAgainst Rep1032 Dem531 Disapproval of President's Authority to Raise the Debt Limit ForAgainst Rep2331 Dem6175 Disapproval of President's Authority to Raise the Debt Limit ForAgainst Rep421 Dem251 Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act ForAgainst Rep3173 Dem2474 Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act ForAgainst Rep436 Dem570 Dodd Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Bureau Act ForAgainst Rep439 Dem552 American Jobs Act of 2011 - $50 billion for infrastructure projects ForAgainst Rep048 Dem502 Emergency Unemployment Compensation Extension ForAgainst Rep144 Dem541 Reduces Funding for Food Stamps ForAgainst Rep3313 Dem052 Minimum Wage Fairness Act ForAgainst Rep141 Dem531 Paycheck Fairness Act ForAgainst Rep040 Dem581 "War on Terror" Time Between Troop Deployments ForAgainst Rep643 Dem501 --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906252512] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>part of the problem is the false notion that the two major US parties are on different sides</quote> House Vote for Net Neutrality ForAgainst Rep2234 Dem1776 Senate Vote for Net Neutrality ForAgainst Rep046 Dem520 Money in Elections and Voting Campaign Finance Disclosure Requirements ForAgainst Rep039 Dem590 DISCLOSE Act ForAgainst Rep045 Dem530 Backup Paper Ballots - Voting Record ForAgainst Rep20170 Dem2280 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act ForAgainst Rep838 Dem513 Sets reasonable limits on the raising and spending of money by electoral candidates to influence elections (Reverse Citizens United) ForAgainst Rep042 Dem540 The Economy/Jobs Limits Interest Rates for Certain Federal Student Loans ForAgainst Rep046 Dem466 Student Loan Affordability Act ForAgainst Rep051 Dem451 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Funding Amendment ForAgainst Rep141 Dem540 End the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection ForAgainst Rep391 Dem154 Kill Credit Default Swap Regulations ForAgainst Rep382 Dem1836 Revokes tax credits for businesses that move jobs overseas ForAgainst Rep1032 Dem531 Disapproval of President's Authority to Raise the Debt Limit ForAgainst Rep2331 Dem6175 Disapproval of President's Authority to Raise the Debt Limit ForAgainst Rep421 Dem251 Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act ForAgainst Rep3173 Dem2474 Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act ForAgainst Rep436 Dem570 Dodd Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Bureau Act ForAgainst Rep439 Dem552 American Jobs Act of 2011 - $50 billion for infrastructure projects ForAgainst Rep048 Dem502 Emergency Unemployment Compensation Extension ForAgainst Rep144 Dem541 Reduces Funding for Food Stamps ForAgainst Rep3313 Dem052 Minimum Wage Fairness Act ForAgainst Rep141 Dem531 Paycheck Fairness Act ForAgainst Rep040 Dem581 "War on Terror" Time Between Troop Deployments ForAgainst Rep643 Dem501</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/04/18 11:18:38 AM #31:	averagejoel posted... part of the problem is the false notion that the two major US parties are on different sides Habeas Corpus for Detainees of the United States ForAgainst Rep542 Dem500 Habeas Review Amendment ForAgainst Rep350 Dem451 Prohibits Detention of U.S. Citizens Without Trial ForAgainst Rep542 Dem3912 Authorizes Further Detention After Trial During Wartime ForAgainst Rep382 Dem949 Prohibits Prosecution of Enemy Combatants in Civilian Courts ForAgainst Rep462 Dem149 Repeal Indefinite Military Detention ForAgainst Rep15214 Dem17616 Oversight of CIA Interrogation and Detention Amendment ForAgainst Rep152 Dem451 Patriot Act Reauthorization ForAgainst Rep19631 Dem54122 FISA Act Reauthorization of 2008 ForAgainst Rep1881 Dem105128 FISA Reauthorization of 2012 ForAgainst Rep2277 Dem74111 House Vote to Close the Guantanamo Prison ForAgainst Rep2228 Dem17221 Senate Vote to Close the Guantanamo Prison ForAgainst Rep332 Dem523 Prohibits the Use of Funds for the Transfer or Release of Individuals Detained at Guantanamo ForAgainst Rep440 Dem941 Oversight of CIA Interrogation and Detention ForAgainst Rep152 Dem451 Civil Rights Same Sex Marriage Resolution 2006 ForAgainst Rep647 Dem422 Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 ForAgainst Rep141 Dem540 Exempts Religiously Affiliated Employers from the Prohibition on Employment Discrimination Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity ForAgainst Rep413 Dem252 Family Planning Teen Pregnancy Education Amendment ForAgainst Rep450 Dem441 Family Planning and Teen Pregnancy Prevention ForAgainst Rep351 Dem441 Protect Women's Health From Corporate Interference Act The 'anti-Hobby Lobby' bill. ForAgainst Rep342 Dem531 Environment Stop "the War on Coal" Act of 2012 ForAgainst Rep21413 Dem19162 EPA Science Advisory Board Reform Act of 2013 ForAgainst Rep2251 Dem4190 Prohibit the Social Cost of Carbon in Agency Determinations ForAgainst Rep2182 Dem4186 Misc Prohibit the Use of Funds to Carry Out the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ForAgainst Rep450 Dem052 Prohibiting Federal Funding of National Public Radio ForAgainst Rep2287 Dem0185 Allow employers to penalize employees that don't submit genetic testing for health insurance (Committee vote) ForAgainst Rep220 Dem017 --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906252515] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>part of the problem is the false notion that the two major US parties are on different sides</quote> Habeas Corpus for Detainees of the United States ForAgainst Rep542 Dem500 Habeas Review Amendment ForAgainst Rep350 Dem451 Prohibits Detention of U.S. Citizens Without Trial ForAgainst Rep542 Dem3912 Authorizes Further Detention After Trial During Wartime ForAgainst Rep382 Dem949 Prohibits Prosecution of Enemy Combatants in Civilian Courts ForAgainst Rep462 Dem149 Repeal Indefinite Military Detention ForAgainst Rep15214 Dem17616 Oversight of CIA Interrogation and Detention Amendment ForAgainst Rep152 Dem451 Patriot Act Reauthorization ForAgainst Rep19631 Dem54122 FISA Act Reauthorization of 2008 ForAgainst Rep1881 Dem105128 FISA Reauthorization of 2012 ForAgainst Rep2277 Dem74111 House Vote to Close the Guantanamo Prison ForAgainst Rep2228 Dem17221 Senate Vote to Close the Guantanamo Prison ForAgainst Rep332 Dem523 Prohibits the Use of Funds for the Transfer or Release of Individuals Detained at Guantanamo ForAgainst Rep440 Dem941 Oversight of CIA Interrogation and Detention ForAgainst Rep152 Dem451 Civil Rights Same Sex Marriage Resolution 2006 ForAgainst Rep647 Dem422 Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 ForAgainst Rep141 Dem540 Exempts Religiously Affiliated Employers from the Prohibition on Employment Discrimination Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity ForAgainst Rep413 Dem252 Family Planning Teen Pregnancy Education Amendment ForAgainst Rep450 Dem441 Family Planning and Teen Pregnancy Prevention ForAgainst Rep351 Dem441 Protect Women's Health From Corporate Interference Act The 'anti-Hobby Lobby' bill. ForAgainst Rep342 Dem531 Environment Stop "the War on Coal" Act of 2012 ForAgainst Rep21413 Dem19162 EPA Science Advisory Board Reform Act of 2013 ForAgainst Rep2251 Dem4190 Prohibit the Social Cost of Carbon in Agency Determinations ForAgainst Rep2182 Dem4186 Misc Prohibit the Use of Funds to Carry Out the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ForAgainst Rep450 Dem052 Prohibiting Federal Funding of National Public Radio ForAgainst Rep2287 Dem0185 Allow employers to penalize employees that don't submit genetic testing for health insurance (Committee vote) ForAgainst Rep220 Dem017</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 08/04/18 11:18:53 AM #32:	darkjedilink posted... VipaGTS posted... darkjedilink posted... Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time. What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?" You're totally a Libertarian and not an embarrassed Republican calling himself a Libertarian. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:906252524] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. </quote> this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time.</quote> What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?"</quote> You're totally a Libertarian and not an embarrassed Republican calling himself a Libertarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:21:48 AM #33:	Tmaster148 posted... darkjedilink posted... VipaGTS posted... darkjedilink posted... Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time. What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?" You're totally a Libertarian and not an embarrassed Republican calling himself a Libertarian. Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252626] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. </quote> this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time.</quote> What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?"</quote> You're totally a Libertarian and not an embarrassed Republican calling himself a Libertarian.</quote> Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/04/18 11:22:15 AM #34:	darkjedilink posted... Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles. How do you feel about Abortion? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906252637] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles.</quote> How do you feel about Abortion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 08/04/18 11:22:25 AM #35:	It's a completely valid way of probing someone for consistency. It is not an argument to exonerate someone. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:906252643] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote>It's a completely valid way of probing someone for consistency. It is not an argument to exonerate someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 08/04/18 11:23:10 AM #36:	darkjedilink posted... VipaGTS posted... darkjedilink posted... Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time. What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?" lmao you're one of those people too? "I'm totally not a republican i totes am a libertarian even though i support every single thing Trump and the Republican party does".....ok guy. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:906252665] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Only if you actively ignore the problems of your own side. Your side is proving to be racist and hypocritical RIGHT NOW, and you're saying the problem is elsewhere. </quote> this is fuckin rich coming from you....you actively ignore "your sides" problems all the time.</quote> What problems do Libertarians have that I "actively ignore?"</quote> lmao you're one of those people too? "I'm totally not a republican i totes am a libertarian even though i support every single thing Trump and the Republican party does".....ok guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:23:12 AM #37:	Tyranthraxus posted... darkjedilink posted... Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles. How do you feel about Abortion? No problem with it - just don't give abortion clinics tax money. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252668] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles.</quote> How do you feel about Abortion?</quote> No problem with it - just don't give abortion clinics tax money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/04/18 11:23:59 AM #38:	darkjedilink posted... Tyranthraxus posted... darkjedilink posted... Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles. How do you feel about Abortion? No problem with it - just don't give abortion clinics tax money. Okay, how about Open Borders? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906252699] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles.</quote> How do you feel about Abortion?</quote> No problem with it - just don't give abortion clinics tax money.</quote> Okay, how about Open Borders?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/04/18 11:24:30 AM #39:	Tyranthraxus posted... darkjedilink posted... Tyranthraxus posted... darkjedilink posted... Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles. How do you feel about Abortion? No problem with it - just don't give abortion clinics tax money. Okay, how about Open Borders? Get rid of the social safety net, and open that shit up. In that order. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906252719] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Can't answer the question, huh? Tell you what - name one Republican policy I support that goes against Libertarian principles.</quote> How do you feel about Abortion?</quote> No problem with it - just don't give abortion clinics tax money.</quote> Okay, how about Open Borders?</quote> Get rid of the social safety net, and open that shit up. In that order.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/04/18 11:24:41 AM #40:	Tyranthraxus posted... rolls eyes Democrats are still right wing. they still ultimately support capitalism and, by extension, the conditions created by capitalism --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:906252728] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> rolls eyes Democrats are still right wing. they still ultimately support capitalism and, by extension, the conditions created by capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSextMachine 08/04/18 11:25:02 AM #41:	spudger posted... xD literally proving my point lol Not really. How many times do the left claim to be the "good guys" of the parties and that they fight for everyone? --- If you are reading this chances are I am pooping. <cite>TheSextMachine posted [p:906252739] in One argume... [t:76869890]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>xD literally proving my point lol</quote> Not really. How many times do the left claim to be the "good guys" of the parties and that they fight for everyone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > One argument I hate the most is "whataboutism".