Board 8 > Smash Bros. Ultimate Direct August 8th, 7am PT

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XIII_rocks
08/08/18 7:18:26 PM
#453:


But that's what I'm saying

Apart from the possibility of them breating fire, Incineroar and Zard would play completely differently. Decidueye might even end up playing more like Zard than Incineroar for instance

So in terms of what's actually in the game, Incineroar and Zard are fairly far apart. The issues here are imaginary.
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Bane_Of_Despair
08/08/18 7:20:25 PM
#454:


Decidueye would be by far the most boring pick for Pokemon
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Underleveled
08/08/18 7:34:44 PM
#455:


What ever dumb giant crocodile
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jcgamer107
08/08/18 7:44:32 PM
#456:


The Belmont reveal was hype even though we all knew it was coming. I love that they included so many Castlevania tracks, that series has such good music.

Also dig Mimikyu as an AT

Whiskey_Nick posted...
Angry Sun (Assist Trophy)

that'd be a good one

Since Banjo-Kazooie's like a .1% chance at this point, I'd like to see Sans. c'mon please daddy Sakurai.
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Underleveled
08/08/18 7:48:55 PM
#457:


K. Rool DOES give me some small hope for Isaac though, given that both were popular Ballot picks.
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Team Rocket Elite
08/08/18 7:52:10 PM
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Ridley was likely a popular ballot pick as well. But so was Waluigi...
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Underleveled
08/08/18 7:52:45 PM
#459:


I'm happy to see Chrom. I liked him as a character so I'm glad he got a shot even if he is just yet another Marth/Roy.

Fun fact about Simon/Richter - Castlevania is now the fourth franchise to debut into Smash with two characters, the others being Mario, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem, the three most-repped franchises. :O

Oh and if we're getting Richter we BETTER get Ken and Shadow now!
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eaedwards6400
08/08/18 8:09:42 PM
#460:


Underleveled posted...
I'm happy to see Chrom. I liked him as a character so I'm glad he got a shot even if he is just yet another Marth/Roy.

Fun fact about Simon/Richter - Castlevania is now the fourth franchise to debut into Smash with two characters, the others being Mario, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem, the three most-repped franchises. :O

Oh and if we're getting Richter we BETTER get Ken and Shadow now!


Does this mean in the Smash after ultimate we'll get the whole Belmont family?! Lol
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08/08/18 8:09:59 PM
#461:


I'd rather have something weird like Alakazam than Incineroar or Decidueye.
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08/08/18 8:10:55 PM
#462:


eaedwards6400 posted...
Does this mean in the Smash after ultimate we'll get the whole Belmont family?! Lol

I'm sure one of the Belmonts will have clothing colors that reference the others.
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SantaRPidgey
08/08/18 8:14:22 PM
#463:


ohh I hope they have a Soma clothing choice.

I would also take Soma as an echo, with his abilities replacing the moveset (skeleton for axe, mandagora for holy water etc)

but then he wouldn't have his cat shooting move and tbqh I don't think you can have soma without a cat move.
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GOGZero
08/08/18 8:49:31 PM
#464:


Simon Belmont.
I am pleased.
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SantaRPidgey
08/08/18 8:51:43 PM
#465:


After watching this again, the best part for me was that each character is getting their own tailor made classic mode. I'm playing through the 3ds one right now and RNG classic is so boring.
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CelesMyUserName
08/08/18 8:55:29 PM
#466:


SantaRPidgey posted...
ohh I hope they have a Soma clothing choice.

I would also take Soma as an echo, with his abilities replacing the moveset (skeleton for axe, mandagora for holy water etc)

but then he wouldn't have his cat shooting move and tbqh I don't think you can have soma without a cat move.

I'll take all of this

I'll take all of anything that has to do with Soma Cruz
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:06:04 PM
#467:


Simon Belmont was not surprising, but boy am I stoked. Richter was surprising and that was a pretty cool addition (he has a fucking awesome theme). I love that like Mega Man, they got the look of Simon exactly right - his overall look and his animations look exactly faithful to Simon circa 1987-1991 and I couldn't be happier about that. They got his walk cycle right! That was like, the most important thing.

Surprised by King K Rool. I never really thought he was quite popular enough or really 'fit' but I guess they proved me wrong on that one. I love the DKC games and just don't really care about the guy that much, but hey, people seem to love him so that's cool. He's a reasonably unique addition to the cast. I've always been confused about whether or not King K Rool is supposed to be the same guy as the ones from DKC2 and DKC3 but including moves from those games makes sense. At the very least, even if I'm not personally excited for the guy it's cool that they've got their finger on the pulse of what the fans want.

Chrom is whatever. Again, I like FE:A and I just don't care about him nearly as much as Lucina or Robin so I find his inclusion strange but whatever. The FE fanbase is a hell of a thing.

Dark Samus is weird. Was she actually a highly requested character? I feel like I've seen Dark Samus talked about as a potential contest character more frequently than as a Smash entrant. Doesn't seem like an important or interesting enough character to warrant inclusion buuuuut ok I guess, sure!

I feel like Alucard, Zero, and Knuckles are all wasted opportunities as AT's but what're you gonna do, I know they can't include every character as playable.

Krystal got enough fan support to be an AT I guess but yeah I don't think she was ever player character material. Star Fox Adventures is such a weird, obscure footnote that it's sort of bizarre to see. Ashley deconfirmed too, never really saw what people saw in her as a potential fighter.

I don't think I've seen anyone mention how fucking hilarious the Kapp'n AT is. Him driving a horrified Mario off the screen to the tune of Mega Man X's opening stage theme is lowkey the funniest moment of the entire thing.

Second-funniest lowkey moment is when the number of music tracks stops at 480 briefly before suddenly going up to 800. They are having way too much fun with this.

Love the long list of Castlevania tracks. Hell yeah for Wicked Child and Awake. No Dance of Pales (what? this track is fucking awesome, I could fight to it) or An Empty Tome (because I'm the only person who fucking loves order of ecclesia) is disappointing but eh.

I think it's cool that final smashes with no items is an option now. Wonder how that affects Little Mac.

Smashdown is cool. Wonder if that means we'll have a number of characters divisible by 4 or not.

also HOLY SHIT DEATH FUCKING KILLED LUIGI

JESUS
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:08:15 PM
#468:


Oh yeah I also really like that they introduced Squad Strike - when I first read about the original Smash Bros in Nintendo Power all those years ago, I thought that the stock system was like a MvC thing where you had a team of fighters and I was kinda disappointed that it wasn't that. Now they've introduced the mode that I've been waiting for almost 20 years to see and I feel like it's kind of brought me full circle on this.
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mnkboy907
08/08/18 9:11:55 PM
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Paratroopa1 posted...
Oh yeah I also really like that they introduced Squad Strike - when I first read about the original Smash Bros in Nintendo Power all those years ago, I thought that the stock system was like a MvC thing where you had a team of fighters and I was kinda disappointed that it wasn't that. Now they've introduced the mode that I've been waiting for almost 20 years to see and I feel like it's kind of brought me full circle on this.

I hope this will be available for online play.
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jcgamer107
08/08/18 9:21:43 PM
#470:


Paratroopa1 posted...
I love the DKC games and just don't really care about the guy that much, but hey, people seem to love him so that's cool.

I think I've seen that reaction more than people being excited about him

Paratroopa1 posted...
I don't think I've seen anyone mention how f***ing hilarious the Kapp'n AT is. Him driving a horrified Mario off the screen to the tune of Mega Man X's opening stage theme is lowkey the funniest moment of the entire thing.

Yeah that was excellent
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:37:33 PM
#471:


jcgamer107 posted...
I think I've seen that reaction more than people being excited about him

I honestly get this weird sense that support for King K Rool comes more out of some kind of OCD obsession with having villain representation from every series more than it does a genuine love of his character. I mean some people certainly do love him but like... eh. Aside from a few oddballs like Wii Fit Trainer I feel like he's probably the deepest cut on the roster to date. He's not as iconic or prestigious as, say, Ridley.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:38:19 PM
#472:


Also, shower thoughts: I think the King K Rool trailer means a considerably lower chance of Dixie being a playable fighter, because if she was they would have announced her there.
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Underleveled
08/08/18 9:42:34 PM
#473:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Also, shower thoughts: I think the King K Rool trailer means a considerably lower chance of Dixie being a playable fighter, because if she was they would have announced her there.

Only if she were indeed a Diddy echo and not her own unique fighter.

That being said, with newcomers limited, I don't see Dixie getting in at this point.

jcgamer107 posted...
Paratroopa1 posted...
I love the DKC games and just don't really care about the guy that much, but hey, people seem to love him so that's cool.

I think I've seen that reaction more than people being excited about him


The Smash 4 board was absolutely ruined from the Corrin announcement until the Ultimate board was opened by a hoard of K. Rool fans convinced that Corrin stole his rightful spot in that game.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:43:30 PM
#474:


The more I think about it the more I think I'm actually super fucking pumped about Richter? Even though he's just an echo of Simon, I didn't expect him at ALL and him showing up with Bloodlines playing was fucking cool in a way I just wasn't expecting since I already knew Simon was gonna show up. I dunno there's just something cool about him showing up when I didn't expect it.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:46:27 PM
#475:


Underleveled posted...
The Smash 4 board was absolutely ruined from the Corrin announcement until the Ultimate board was opened by a hoard of K. Rool fans convinced that Corrin stole his rightful spot in that game.

What's weird is that I think there's a difference between "fans of a character" and "fans who support a particular fighter's inclusion"

Like, I don't think King K Rool is a popular character overall - you don't see a lot of people drawing fanart of the guy or wearing t-shirts with him on it. People aren't discussing him as a character outside of the context of Smash. He just got a lot of momentum campaigning for him to be in Smash.
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KamikazePotato
08/08/18 9:48:11 PM
#476:


Paratroopa1 posted...
I honestly get this weird sense that support for King K Rool comes more out of some kind of OCD obsession with having villain representation from every series more than it does a genuine love of his character. I mean some people certainly do love him but like... eh.

I've seen a good amount of legitimate love for him in places, but this is definitely part of it - and is a part of lots of characters wish for in Smash. There's a big emphasis on series getting proper 'reps' because people get upset it if they feel like their favorite series is being left behind even if the reps are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Don't think K. Rool entirely fits that but it's definitely a trend I see in general.
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Underleveled
08/08/18 9:48:37 PM
#477:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Underleveled posted...
The Smash 4 board was absolutely ruined from the Corrin announcement until the Ultimate board was opened by a hoard of K. Rool fans convinced that Corrin stole his rightful spot in that game.

What's weird is that I think there's a difference between "fans of a character" and "fans who support a particular fighter's inclusion"

Like, I don't think King K Rool is a popular character overall - you don't see a lot of people drawing fanart of the guy or wearing t-shirts with him on it. People aren't discussing him as a character outside of the context of Smash. He just got a lot of momentum campaigning for him to be in Smash.

I do understand that. Isaac has been my most-wanted character in Smash Bros. since Golden Sun released, simply because he is the most-likely representative from a series that I believe deserves representation and he would be a very unique fighter. But I recently did a countdown of my top 50 game characters and Isaac wasn't even on the list; in fact he isn't even my favorite character in Golden Sun. Alex is.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:51:08 PM
#478:


KamikazePotato posted...
Paratroopa1 posted...
I honestly get this weird sense that support for King K Rool comes more out of some kind of OCD obsession with having villain representation from every series more than it does a genuine love of his character. I mean some people certainly do love him but like... eh.

I've seen a good amount of legitimate love for him in places, but this is definitely part of it - and is a part of lots of characters wish for in Smash. There's a big emphasis on series getting proper 'reps' because people get upset it if they feel like their favorite series is being left behind even if the reps are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Don't think K. Rool entirely fits that but it's definitely a trend I see in general.

Yeah basically

That all said I think K Rool choice is an OKAY choice for inclusion in the game

For me though like, it's weird/telling that Dedede upstages K Rool in his own reveal trailer
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KamikazePotato
08/08/18 9:52:43 PM
#479:


I'm somewhat the same with Isaac, but while I don't care about the character on the level of "I would rank him highly on a list", I do have an emotional attachment to him because he was the main character of a major nostalgic game for and because earth psyenergy rocks. I have trouble believing people actually care about, say, Ashley from WarioWare on a level more than "it would be cool if Wario got more representation".

This is also an attitude that has gotten way worse ever since Fire Emblem got more important. People have been upset ever since Robin's trailer when it was only four of them in!
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:52:45 PM
#480:


Speaking of Isaac I think the chances of him have actually grown slightly with the K Rool reveal? They seem to be focused on highly requested fan favorites and Isaac is definitely up there

Golden Sun is a huge guilty pleasure of mine so I would love to see him in, I think he has viability as an interesting fighter and I think Golden Sun's cache as a series is just enough that I could imagine it happening

The time to see him included might have passed with GS's fading as a franchise but idk
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Bane_Of_Despair
08/08/18 9:53:53 PM
#481:


I have somewhat of an attachment to K Rool from Donkey Kong 64 so that actually meant more to me than Simon, since I didn't grow up with Castlevania. But Simon is a cool inclusion.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:55:12 PM
#482:


KamikazePotato posted...
I'm somewhat the same with Isaac, but while I don't care about the character on the level of "I would rank him highly on a list", I do have an emotional attachment to him because he was the main character of a major nostalgic game for and because earth psyenergy rocks. I have trouble believing people actually care about, say, Ashley from WarioWare on a level more than "it would be cool if Wario got more representation".

Yeah pretty much. I mean there's definitely a big difference between "my favorite characters" and "the characters who I think make the most sense as a Smash fighter that I would be excited to see based on an appreciation for not just that character but their game/franchise and its place in history"

I think we generally talk about characters in category 2 terms
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KamikazePotato
08/08/18 9:55:29 PM
#483:


The problem with Isaac as a fan favorite is that Japan doesn't care about him in the slightest, which matters. Golden Sun's time is also far in the past. He really missed the boat by not being in Brawl. Could see him being a DLC after like, everyone else possible gets in though.
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MoogleKupo141
08/08/18 9:55:36 PM
#484:


I've always been confused about whether or not King K Rool is supposed to be the same guy as the ones from DKC2 and DKC3


he's definitely the same guy in all the games, he just put on a different hat and coat

He's not as iconic or prestigious as, say, Ridley.


He's a weird case. He was as iconic as Ridley for a time, but then Rare got bought and Nintendo stopped using him for some reason.

now that I think about it, that period where he was a big deal was pretty short. He was the big bad for four games, but those games were released within a five year span like 20 years ago. He's barely appeared in this century.

I am legitimately very excited to see him back and high deffed.

also if someone were selling a good K. Rool shirt I would be into it
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:57:23 PM
#485:


KamikazePotato posted...
The problem with Isaac as a fan favorite is that Japan doesn't care about him in the slightest, which matters. Golden Sun's time is also far in the past. He really missed the boat by not being in Brawl. Could see him being a DLC after like, everyone else possible gets in though.

I dunno, so far they've indicated a willingness to listen to the world market outside of Japan's interests, between Little Mac in Smash 4 and Ridley/Dark Samus/K Rool in Ultimate (unless Japan's got more of a K Rool fanbase than I thought? Japan DOES like DKC but I still kinda figured K Rool was mostly a western push)
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:58:38 PM
#486:


MoogleKupo141 posted...

also if someone were selling a good K. Rool shirt I would be into it

I do want to be clear btw that I am completely behind this
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MoogleKupo141
08/08/18 9:58:41 PM
#487:


I think K. Rool was close to the top of the most wanted poll for Japan too.
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Bane_Of_Despair
08/08/18 9:59:22 PM
#488:


Also I like K Rool because he's just super weird looking, being a fat lizard with a bulging bloodshot eye that wears a tiny crown
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 9:59:43 PM
#489:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I think K. Rool was close to the top of the most wanted poll for Japan too.

Oh that's interesting

I wonder what the reaction is for him

It was pretty negative for Ridley, which is bizarre as hell to me (Why the FUCK doesn't Japan like Metroid???)
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Zigzagoon
08/08/18 10:00:07 PM
#490:


I'm so indifferent on K Rool. I like him a lot and don't like him a lot all at the same time.
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CelesMyUserName
08/08/18 10:00:09 PM
#491:


Rool and Ridley will be such fat bros
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Zigzagoon
08/08/18 10:00:33 PM
#492:


Ridley is like the opposite of fat >_>
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Bane_Of_Despair
08/08/18 10:01:27 PM
#493:


Since when is Ridley fat

K Rool, Bowser and Wario would make up the fat bros I feel
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KamikazePotato
08/08/18 10:01:41 PM
#494:


Little Mac is definitely the one that confused Japan the most. They had absolutely no idea who he was.

As much as I'd like to hold out hope for Isaac, I've already gotten Ike and Shulk and it's ridiculous that either of them are in Smash so I can't be greedy.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 10:02:02 PM
#495:


I don't know why I'm so indifferent to K Rool because really, fat crocodiles should absolutely be in my wheelhouse

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Underleveled
08/08/18 10:04:21 PM
#496:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Speaking of Isaac I think the chances of him have actually grown slightly with the K Rool reveal? They seem to be focused on highly requested fan favorites and Isaac is definitely up there

Golden Sun is a huge guilty pleasure of mine so I would love to see him in, I think he has viability as an interesting fighter and I think Golden Sun's cache as a series is just enough that I could imagine it happening

The time to see him included might have passed with GS's fading as a franchise but idk

I feel the same. Not tremendously, but slightly more hopeful.

KamikazePotato posted...
Golden Sun's time is also far in the past. He really missed the boat by not being in Brawl. Could see him being a DLC after like, everyone else possible gets in though.

It's worth noting though that K. Rool's last major appearance in the DK franchise was on a GBA game, and his last non-cameo (ie trophy) appearance at all was in a Mario sports title, both over a decade ago. So there's no way this inclusion isn't based heavily in the fan requests.
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Paratroopa1
08/08/18 10:05:27 PM
#497:


Wait K Rool was in a Mario sports title?
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Underleveled
08/08/18 10:07:02 PM
#498:


Yes, he was in Mario Super Sluggers.

Also I stand corrected. K. Rool was the main villain in Jungle Climber, which was a DS game. Still a long-ass time ago though.
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CelesMyUserName
08/08/18 10:08:25 PM
#499:


big gawd
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Bane_Of_Despair
08/08/18 10:08:28 PM
#500:


K Rool is a big beautiful boy
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