Poll of the Day > Who else will riot if RDR2 does not flop.

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Every night I pray to the one True God that this fucking game flops because microtransactions

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

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Also RDR2 is going to flop anyways 'cuz they're self-cucking to meet the weak power of the modern consoles when they could do anything they want on PC
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Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

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Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

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Also RDR2 is going to flop anyways 'cuz they're self-cucking to meet the weak power of the modern consoles when they could do anything they want on PC

We can only hope RDR2 flops for the future of gaming

Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

idk, sounds better than Solo: A Star Wars Movie.
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The original Star Wars trilogy seen from R2D2's perspective, soon in a cinema near you.
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i think it will flop because Red Dead isn't a known IP. People in the industry think it will do grand thief auto numbers, Red Dead isn't known to common people like Grand Thief Auto is.

It's like Hey Yoshi Woolly Yarn is going to do gangbuster, because it's a 2D-Mario like game made by Nintendo.

Also i don't even think common folk know who rockstar is. They do know Grand Thief auto and Forbes because it's on the news and household name. Hell even Forbes does article about GTA announcements.
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So... I guess I just found out that the game will have microtransactios. Yup, I'll be joining the club. It has to flop just like DMC5.

Well the thing about microtransactions is that you don't have to buy them, and as long as you they don't inhib gameplay like what EA pulled then I don't see the issue.
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Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

Phantom Menace already covered this anyway.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

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Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

*Sad beep*
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i didn't even know there were microtransactions. what are they trying to sell? if it's single player horse armor and shit like that, i will be pissed, ok?
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Andromicus posted...

Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

*Sad beep*

How do we know R2D2 isn't constantly swearing, and the beeps and boops are just censoring?

my son would love an r2d2 movie

RDR isn't well known? That's an impressive level of stupidity there.

what kind of microtransactions are we talking about?
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Nade Duck posted...

what kind of microtransactions are we talking about?

hopefully you can buy hookers at the saloon

it's literally just for the online.

it's the same model gta online has.
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Ohhhhhh, didn't even know what RDR2 meant. I'll probably pick that up eventually. And, tbh, if it flopped, it just fucks over a franchise and possibly a genre because protests and lack of interest look the same to companies.
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...

Nade Duck posted...

what kind of microtransactions are we talking about?

hopefully you can buy hookers at the saloon

fuck i'm down

helIy posted...

it's literally just for the online.

it's the same model gta online has.

so no big deal then?
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With Rockstar's track record, there's no way it can flop, ok? There's just no way, ok? It's rockstar, ok!

lmao at thinking a big AAA game will flop, especially A Rockstar game. And by riot I assume TC means angrily posting on a video game message board?
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helIy posted...

it's literally just for the online.

it's the same model gta online has.

Oh, then who cares, ok?

Was worried for a second, ok?
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Very little chance of flopping
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I'm pretty sure many people know about this franchise though.

I mean, it was only one of the most popular games of the previous generation of consoles.
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Aculo posted...

helIy posted...

it's literally just for the online.

it's the same model gta online has.

Oh, then who cares, ok?

Was worried for a second, ok?

B.b.but how will I be able to afford to paint the wagon?
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hope R* make a new midnight club when they learn that horses suck ass and cars are fun
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ernieforss posted...

i think it will flop because Red Dead isn't a known IP. People in the industry think it will do grand thief auto numbers, Red Dead isn't known to common people like Grand Thief Auto is.

Red Dead Redemption sold more than 15 million copies. That's almost enough to put it in the top 50 best-selling games of all time. It's as "known" as any IP is outside of the rare few that cross over into full mainstream awareness (which rarely translates into significant extra sales anyway, making it almost meaningless regardless).

Saying it's not GTA really isn't a fair comparison, since no franchise currently exists that sells like GTA does (not even CoD). In the entire history of video games, there are precisely two games that have sold better than GTAV.

RDR2 will do just fine in terms of sales. The only major factor that's going to reduce its numbers is Rockstar refusing to release a PC version - though it won't put enough of a dent that it's going to look like anything other than a massive success. Rockstar's going to be very, very happy with how the game sells.



aHappySacka posted...

Well the thing about microtransactions is that you don't have to buy them, and as long as you they don't inhib gameplay like what EA pulled then I don't see the issue.

The problem is that, in far too many cases these days, you DO have to buy them. Or you have to accept that the game you want to play is an absolutely broken piece of shit that has been deliberately designed to fuck you until you pay it real money to stop fucking you.

Yes, EA was guilty of it with Battlefront, but Warner Bros basically ruined Shadow of War by designing the entire endgame around forced grind to "encourage" (ie, extort) players into buying microtransactions. The same is true of a number of other games, which became even more obvious when developers had to readjust mechanics to compensate after removing loot boxes (much like Diablo III had to be radically altered after they removed the real money Auction House).

The endless proliferation of escalating DLC content in GTA:Online (designed specifically to encourage players to buy Shark cards with real money) has made multiplayer almost unplayable, as every new car requires either dozens of hours worth of monotonous grinding or tens of dollars of real world cash. And other players running around with untargetable jets and orbital cannons makes freeroam absolute shit. Which is part of why some people are terrified of microtransactions in RDR - they probably won't have any effect on singleplayer (which is the best part of RDR anyway), but even that's an assumption we can't be entirely sure of. But even if it's true, microtransactions may still absolutely ruin whatever worthwhile experience might otherwise have been in the multiplayer side of things, if they run amok the way they did with GTA.

Plus, being able to milk players so hard in GTA:O led to Rockstar dropping their plans for single-player DLC (a la Lost and the Damned or Ballad of Gay Tony for GTA IV), which pissed a LOT of people off. It would suck if RDR2 lost potential extra single-player story content so they could sell solid-gold horses in multiplayer.

In a perfect world, microtransactions SHOULD be limited to cosmetic-only, and you should be able to buy whatever skins or outfits you want without having to gamble for them. But we don't really live in that world right now. Developers have more than realized that artificially handicapping players in games absolutely encourages a portion of them to spend vast sums of money "fixing" you deliberate flaws, even if it makes the overall experience worse for pretty much everyone, and doubly so for people who refuse to spend money on microtransactions at all.


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A PC elitist who uses the word cucked must be a swell person to hang out with.
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Yeah, just like GTA flopped it's way to the top.
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ernieforss posted...

i think it will flop because Red Dead isn't a known IP.

What are you talking about? RDR sold well over 13 million.
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aHappySacka posted...

Well the thing about microtransactions is that you don't have to buy them, and as long as you they don't inhib gameplay like what EA pulled then I don't see the issue.

Well the thing about microtransactions is that as long as they exist, there will always be the risk that games containing them will be ruined for them being mandatory to play it reasonably. So I'm in favor of smacking those with the boycott hammer until this plague is purged from the game industry for good.

goldbman posted...

Every night I pray to the one True God that this fucking game flops because microtransactions

You wont riot. Youll just whine in the internet

Me, Im looking forward to this game -have been for years.

Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

I only stopped reading it as R2D2 after reading your post and going back to read it 3-4 more times.

Lokarin posted...

Also RDR2 is going to flop anyways 'cuz they're self-cucking to meet the weak power of the modern consoles when they could do anything they want on PC

Given that it's 2K, I can pretty much guarantee that the only reason they're steering clear of PC's is because they know PC users can just mod the game instead of paying for microtransactions. It's nothing to do with system power and everything to do with what will allow them to best milk their audience.

VixYW posted...

aHappySacka posted...

Well the thing about microtransactions is that you don't have to buy them, and as long as you they don't inhib gameplay like what EA pulled then I don't see the issue.

Well the thing about microtransactions is that as long as they exist, there will always be the risk that games containing them will be ruined for them being mandatory to play it reasonably. So I'm in favor of smacking those with the boycott hammer until this plague is purged from the game industry for good.

Pretty much. As much as publishers like to trot out the "player choice" and "it's optional" defenses whenever they're criticized for implementing such systems, they want players to choose to buy microtransactions. Nobody is going to try to sell you something they don't want you to buy. When the person selling you stuff also has complete control over the game that might motivate you to buy that stuff, you can pretty much guarantee the game's going to be designed to minimize how optional those microtransactions really are, stopping just short of turning people away entirely.

They'll present microtransactions as an option for people who want to skip the grind, but they're the ones that chose to make the game grindy in the first place. You can still refuse to buy them, but there's a very good chance that you'll have a lesser game experience for that refusal, which is why I just don't want to give them the money in the first place. There are enough other games out there that haven't been deliberately hobbled for the sake of making more money.
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adjl posted...

Lokarin posted...

I read that as R2D2 twice... and was like "there's no way they're gunna make that a movie that's hella stupid"

I only stopped reading it as R2D2 after reading your post and going back to read it 3-4 more times.

Lokarin posted...

Also RDR2 is going to flop anyways 'cuz they're self-cucking to meet the weak power of the modern consoles when they could do anything they want on PC

Given that it's 2K, I can pretty much guarantee that the only reason they're steering clear of PC's is because they know PC users can just mod the game instead of paying for microtransactions. It's nothing to do with system power and everything to do with what will allow them to best milk their audience.

If this was the case, they wouldnt have released GTAV on PC.

I would be very surprised if they dont release it for PC.

WastelandCowboy posted...

If this was the case, they wouldnt have released GTAV on PC.

What was that long running joke about GTAV?
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WastelandCowboy posted...

If this was the case, they wouldnt have released GTAV on PC.

They released GTAV before GTA Online became literally the most lucrative piece of entertainment ever made on the back of its microtransactions. They've tasted what they can have if people can't just mod things into the game, and I'd be very surprised if they were willing to relinquish that.

WastelandCowboy posted...

I would be very surprised if they dont release it for PC.

If they do, the announcement won't come until the revenue stream from the console versions dries up, and that could be quite a while.
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ernieforss posted...

i think it will flop because Red Dead isn't a known IP. People in the industry think it will do grand thief auto numbers, Red Dead isn't known to common people like Grand Thief Auto is.

It's like Hey Yoshi Woolly Yarn is going to do gangbuster, because it's a 2D-Mario like game made by Nintendo.

Also i don't even think common folk know who rockstar is. They do know Grand Thief auto and Forbes because it's on the news and household name. Hell even Forbes does article about GTA announcements.

You realize the first RDR was a financial success, right? That alone makes this whole post m00t.
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oh look, another PO wall of fucking text, ok?
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adjl posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

If this was the case, they wouldnt have released GTAV on PC.

They released GTAV before GTA Online became literally the most lucrative piece of entertainment ever made on the back of its microtransactions. They've tasted what they can have if people can't just mod things into the game, and I'd be very surprised if they were willing to relinquish that.

WastelandCowboy posted...

I would be very surprised if they dont release it for PC.

If they do, the announcement won't come until the revenue stream from the console versions dries up, and that could be quite a while.

Meh. They cracked down hard over modders in Online so its reasonable that theyll do the same for RDR2 Online.

Take-Two has mandated that every game they release will have a mandatory requirement of having built in micro transactions.

They are also fighting laws that have popped up in some countries that have now labeled loot boxes as gambling.
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kangolcone posted...

A PC elitist who uses the word cucked must be a swell person to hang out with.

It screams virgin.
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Locke90 posted...

kangolcone posted...

A PC elitist who uses the word cucked must be a swell person to hang out with.

It screams virgin.

Isn't it PC elitist cucking, when you play games on a Mac instead?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Saying it's not GTA really isn't a fair comparison, since no franchise currently exists that sells like GTA does (not even CoD). In the entire history of video games, there are precisely two games that have sold better than GTAV.

idk, dude, GTA is big and all, but it's no Tetris.
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Zeus posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Saying it's not GTA really isn't a fair comparison, since no franchise currently exists that sells like GTA does (not even CoD). In the entire history of video games, there are precisely two games that have sold better than GTAV.

idk, dude, GTA is big and all, but it's no Tetris.

Yes, that's one of the two.

The other is Minecraft.

Every other game any of us have played in our entire lives sold worse than GTAV.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Saying it's not GTA really isn't a fair comparison, since no franchise currently exists that sells like GTA does (not even CoD). In the entire history of video games, there are precisely two games that have sold better than GTAV.

idk, dude, GTA is big and all, but it's no Tetris.

Yes, that's one of the two.

The other is Minecraft.

Every other game any of us have played in our entire lives sold worse than GTAV.

Well thats not fair, didnt Tetris come with every Gameboy or something?
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...

ernieforss posted...

i think it will flop because Red Dead isn't a known IP. People in the industry think it will do grand thief auto numbers, Red Dead isn't known to common people like Grand Thief Auto is.

It's like Hey Yoshi Woolly Yarn is going to do gangbuster, because it's a 2D-Mario like game made by Nintendo.

Also i don't even think common folk know who rockstar is. They do know Grand Thief auto and Forbes because it's on the news and household name. Hell even Forbes does article about GTA announcements.

You realize the first RDR was a financial success, right? That alone makes this whole post m00t.

but it didn't make as much money as GTA4. I think it will be successful. I just don't think it will be GTA5 successful and people need to stop thinking that it will make as much as GTA5 and laydown some expectations down.
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but it didn't make as much money as GTA4. I think it will be successful. I just don't think it will be GTA5 successful and people need to stop thinking that it will make as much as GTA5 and laydown some expectations down.

They have. Nobody is expecting it to reach GTAV's popularity or sales numbers, that's ridiculous. They are just saying it will be financially successful anyway and it is foolish to say it will flop.
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