Board 8 > The Best Board 8 Fantasy Football League 2018 Topic 2

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Hopefully Suprak will look at that then, it'd be nice if someone could use Tate, and I don't lose much for it, I can start Collins instantly over my missing slot.
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Curious that you guys want to swap Baltimore RBs.
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I didn't technically want to swap Baltimore RBs, but that's how it turned out. I mainly just wanted Tate and the other players were the best value match that I found between our rosters to accommodate it.

Yahoo commish can absolutely expedite the trade process.
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Can I do that? All I see when I click on that is vote against trade
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turbopuns2 posted...

Enable commissioner trade review
1. From Yahoo Fantasy, mouse over Fantasy | select a sport.
2. Select the league you're commissioner of and want to update.
3. Click Commissioner.
4. Click Edit League Settings.
5. Select Commissioner from the drop-down menu next to "Trades reviewed by".
6. Click Submit.

Process trades as a commissioner
1. From Yahoo Fantasy, mouse over Fantasy | select a sport.
2. On your team page, click Details next to the trade notification.
3. Click Allow Trade or Veto Trade.

Did you try this?

I can do that!

Puns can you @ everyone in the league to make sure theyre ok with me manually taking over trades and processing this trade immediately. They have until tonight to PM me if they dont since this is a mid season rule change.

Thanks!
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@Corrik
@VeryInsane
@Arti
@DoubleTangicide (?)
@Whiskey_Nick
@HanOfTheNekos
@MZero11

Uhm idk who else is in it other than people who have already seen this chat

Are you guys OK with Suprak having commissioner powers to approve a trade

I vote yes on this trade and its expedition btw if that wasnt clear.

I just dont want to be doing friends favors against the wishes of the rest of the league so I want to make sure everyone is ok with this prior to moving forward.
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yeah go ahead
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Does that mean those players play against me during our match?
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If you're one of their opponents this week, yes. That's the point of the expediting.
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Think we should respect the length of time trades have to be reviewed and decided upon.
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Im not in the league anymore >___>

Lol
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Corrik posted...

Think we should respect the length of time trades have to be reviewed and decided upon.

There's no valid reason to vote against it. It's a totally fair trade.

turbopuns2 posted...

Corrik posted...

Think we should respect the length of time trades have to be reviewed and decided upon.

There's no valid reason to vote against it. It's a totally fair trade.

Any owner can veto any trade for any reason they wish to. How can you tell 12 other people what is valid to them? Lol.
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The reason for the baseline rule of having 2 days for a vote is so that people in the league have a reasonable window of time to notice the trade and vote to veto it if they think it's collusion or wildly unfair.

If everyone has been made aware of the trade and acknowledged it, there is no reason to disallow the commissioner from processing it.

Corrik posted...

Any owner can veto any trade for any reason they wish to. How can you tell 12 other people what is valid to them? Lol.

Well the floor is open. I'm not stopping anyone from chiming in with a dissenting opinion.

turbopuns2 posted...

Corrik posted...

Any owner can veto any trade for any reason they wish to. How can you tell 12 other people what is valid to them? Lol.

Well the floor is open. I'm not stopping anyone from chiming in with a dissenting opinion.

They will over the time period with their votes, goofball.
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Why tho

Without any rule change, the trade veto period would have ended a couple hours after the first Sunday kickoff.

We should at least be able to have everyone voice any concerns by sunday morning and have it processed then if enough people approve.

It's fine with me.
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I understand Corrik's opinion. I didn't want to be That Guy, but I don't entirely disagree. That said, I also don't want to be a wet blanket.
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What exactly is corrik's opinion?

turbopuns2 posted...

What exactly is corrik's opinion?

That there is a time reason for a reason, and it should not be circumvented.

What if someone later on down the line wants to jump the gun before the games start to rush their trade in and Suprak is inactive and unable to do it for them? Is that fair?

What if someone decides to make a trade an hour before kickoff and wants to have it approved by Suprak and the other league teams beforehand, and it fucks a team over and causes them a loss?

The point is, what is the big issue with following the rules of the league? It's not like a huge deal to just let it wait out... I mean, jumping the guns on the rules here can only lead to possible headaches down the line.

Y'kno?
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The window is 48 hours, and we completed the trade 46 hours before kickoff. Your hypothetical rushed scenario is significantly different and basically irrelevant in every meaningful way.

Definitely the majority of the league has seen the trade and not a single person has mentioned anything about the trade being unfair.

What's there to discuss? Why hold sacred to an arbitrary default setting chosen by Yahoo which we have never even discussed prior to this, rather than recognize logically that everyone thinks the trade is fine and had ample, ample time to process it and decide this on their own.

That's not how it works, puns. If you can break the rule for you, you can break it for everyone.

Like, I don't even know the teams you are playing, but if your trade goes through and the player you trade for has a monster game and wouldn't have been in their other wise - making your opponent miss the playoffs by a game, they would have a legitimate gripe. You are only looking at it specifically from your viewpoint in how it will benefit you.

Rules are rules. Follow them. That is my opinion. If you wish to vote on changing the rules for the entire league, that is another matter. I do not approve of unilaterally doing for one person when it may not always be that way for everyone, and maybe it shouldn't be anyways.
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To reiterate. The rule is not when every team looks at it and the league approves of it.

The rule is, your trade takes 48 hours to complete and during that 48 hours the teams can look at it to decide whether to approve it or not. The 48 hours is not supposed to be there only for teams to vote. The 48 hours is there because that is the time it is supposed to take for trades to complete.

I know you understand this.
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Corrik posted...

Rules are rules. Follow them.

Corrik posted...

To reiterate. The rule is not when every team looks at it and the league approves of it.

Corrik posted...

The rule is, your trade takes 48 hours to complete

My whole point is that this rule is arbitrary, and that in this particular case, every reason for that rules existence has been met.

Like you can argue "rule says it", like obviously

But reasonably, if everyone acknowledges it and fewer than the veto number think the trade shouldn't happen...well, that would just be a very reasonable way to handle the situation.

The rule is not arbitrary at all. It is outright stated. That said, I think you can't see past your bias regarding it, so I am done discussing it. I said what I had to say.

Whatever everyone else wants to do is fine with me.
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Corrik posted...

The rule is not arbitrary at all. It is outright stated.

The window of time, the literal number 48, is arbitrary.

And there is no personal bias affecting my thoughts, btw. This literal exact situation happened in my other league this week for the Thursday game, in a trade I wasn't even involved with, and I, like everyone else, unanimously agreed that it was totally fine.

Like honestly, only Puns and I are involved with this trade, so it should be "yes I agree with it, I will take the loss for *this* week by having Collins instead of Allen," which might not even be a downgrade. He and I should be the ones that decide that, he sent the trade before this week's games to be applied to this roster and I agreed with it.

It's not really fair if he sacrifices this week because of a deadline so people who are uninvolved in the trade can say they like or dislike the trade, it does effect the people we're playing against, but so would picking up a Free Agent for this week.
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The sticking point for me really comes down to the fact that not processing the trade means we are holding sacred to the Yahoo default settings because...why exactly?

Like compare this to other possible rule changes.

If I wanted to change to full PPR, or 6 points for a safety, or make sacks worth an extra half a point, or anything that affected scoring, no. You don't change scoring halfway through the season.

If I wanted to change the bench size, or number of players at each starting position, or the waiver priority system, then no. That's not fair midseason.

But this rule we're discussing has had zero tangible impact on anything whatsoever prior to it coming up this week.

Like, if the default setting was Commissioner Approval to begin with, it wouldn't have caused a single player to be drafted differently, or a single player to have been started instead of benched, or a single player to have been held instead of dropped to waivers, etc. The league has been 0% affected by the rule so far.

Therefore, since it's the first time the rule is coming into play at all, it makes sense to just change the setting if people agree that it's reasonable (and that we can all agree to trust suprak's judgement), rather than put the Yahoo default settings on some kind of pedestal just because.

@Suprak_the_Stud

If there is an option to change the current 2-day period to be a 1-day period, I think that would be an excellent compromise to use powers to process this trade and then set the rule to be auto-process after 24 hours moving forward. That way this one won't possibly be seen as unfair compared to any future trades.

As someone who is impartial in the discussion, I would not expedite a trade if it came up in any of my leagues because it directly affects a matchup. And I say that as someone who is currently sat with an empty slot in my lineup this week in a match projected to be decided by a point. So I totally get the situation Puns is in here in needing the trade to go through

Is it possible for the review time to be lowered, not to 1 day, but to 36 hours?

I think it's worth it to reduce it, but I still like having it in place. And not to side with lawful-neutral Corrik, but failing to find a trade in time is your own fault if you knew the 2-day limit was there and were not able to get the trade deal in time.

Think Browns, trade deadline, etc.

Now, I DO think we should reduce the time from 2 days, because that's a little long, but 24 hours feels a little short to allow for full review.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

As someone who is impartial in the discussion, I would not expedite a trade if it came up in any of my leagues because it directly affects a matchup. And I say that as someone who is currently sat with an empty slot in my lineup this week in a match projected to be decided by a point. So I totally get the situation Puns is in here in needing the trade to go through

Of course it affects a matchup. As does any trade within the pre-existing rules. The thing about this is it's the first time the rule has been brought to anyone's attention at all. So it makes sense to have a discussion on whether to change the rule, based on the fact that every single thing about the league that happened prior to this would be affected in no way by us deciding on which option we want and changing it.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Now, I DO think we should reduce the time from 2 days, because that's a little long, but 24 hours feels a little short to allow for full review.

See I just don't think there's much to think about when reviewing a trade. If it's grossly, obviously imbalanced, that's easy to spot right away, and if I look at a trade and think "wow I'm a little surprised he's accepting that" that's not a reason for me to want to veto it. It's just a poor trade, imo.

So to me, it seems better to lean on the side of letting everyone have more time to find/agree on trades than to lean on the side of letting people have extra time to decide if they want to (be a jerk and) veto trades.

And furthermore, can we just trust each other to be decent and not make shady lopsided trades?

After all that talk I just learned one of my replacement WRs is questionable and will be a game-time decision LOL

Oh the irony, I love it

ShatteredElysium posted...

As someone who is impartial in the discussion, I would not expedite a trade if it came up in any of my leagues just because it directly affects a matchup.

This was basically what I was thinking in the beginning, before Corrik said anything. Although I added one word.
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In my main leage we are of the opinion that it's up to the owners to agree to a trade and that vetos are only to be used if the trade is exceedingly unfair. We have a group chat and if no one raises any objections then we always expedite trade.
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I've got two leagues that always expedite the trade (one in which I'm the commish), and a third that always waits the 48 hours regardless of what everyone thinks of it. I definitely prefer the former.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Is it possible for the review time to be lowered, not to 1 day, but to 36 hours?

I think it's worth it to reduce it, but I still like having it in place. And not to side with lawful-neutral Corrik, but failing to find a trade in time is your own fault if you knew the 2-day limit was there and were not able to get the trade deal in time.

Think Browns, trade deadline, etc.

Now, I DO think we should reduce the time from 2 days, because that's a little long, but 24 hours feels a little short to allow for full review.

Then what happens when the trade is 34 hours from game time. It is a never ending slope. I mean, I am of the note, the rules are the rules, and we can change the rules if you guys wish to something shorter but until then the rules are rules.
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Shoulda just requested a rules change from the start, puns.
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Corrik posted...

Shoulda just requested a rules change from the start, puns.

I don't get your idea of holding Yahoo's default settings chosen by some random Yahoo bozo as sacred holy law.

It's the first time the rule has ever been acknowledged by anyone, for any reason, because it's had zero impact on anything, period. Once it comes up for discussion, with you righteously defending the Yahoo default, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you aren't just talking for the sake of being ironic at this point.

Corrik posted...

Then what happens when the trade is 34 hours from game time. It is a never ending slope.

It's not a never ending slope, because now we have talked about it. Now there is no situation where people are unaware of the rules. We talked about it and established our collective opinions on it. That's the whole point.

Previously, it was a time window which was arbitrarily selected by someone who works for Yahoo.

Rules of Fantasy Football:
1) Corrik is a whiny bitch

Wonder if Corrik is going to try to argue now. This rule has been set, so he shouldn't be able to.
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WickIebee posted...

Rules of Fantasy Football:
1) Corrik is a whiny bitch

Wonder if Corrik is going to try to argue now. This rule has been set, so he shouldn't be able to.

*Shrug* what did I whine about? I was asked my opinion and gave it. If you want a rule change, change the rules. Lol
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turbopuns2 posted...

Corrik posted...

Shoulda just requested a rules change from the start, puns.

I don't get your idea of holding Yahoo's default settings chosen by some random Yahoo bozo as sacred holy law.

It's the first time the rule has ever been acknowledged by anyone, for any reason, because it's had zero impact on anything, period. Once it comes up for discussion, with you righteously defending the Yahoo default, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you aren't just talking for the sake of being ironic at this point.

I find it hard to believe that no knew the rule in Yahoo leagues over the last 20 years.
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