Board 8 > Let me talk about Umineko 2!!! *still continue to not spoil me!!*

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GANON1025
10/18/18 10:08:04 AM
#151:


I feel like if ever there was a time for Battler to own all the bad guys itll have to be in this sequence coming up.
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GANON1025
10/18/18 9:07:11 PM
#152:


That was awesome!! And the 6th game will be controlled by Battler? I'm already excited to see what happens!
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LeonhartFour
10/18/18 9:53:43 PM
#153:


???? of Episode 5 the best

Episode 6 is kind of divisive, I think, but I love it.
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Sceptilesolar
10/18/18 9:58:14 PM
#154:


I don't know if you've just decided to ride the game through, but you don't have that much longer to theorize anything. EP5 was much more dense with hints than the previous episodes, but EP6 starts to move beyond hints at parts.
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Eerieka
10/19/18 4:07:06 AM
#155:


LeonhartFour posted...
Episode 6 is kind of divisive, I think, but I love it.


Haha, Ep 6 is divisive even in my own brain. When I first read it, I hated it and it was the worst. When I read it a second time, it jumped to being my favorite.
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Tom Bombadil
10/20/18 10:39:29 AM
#156:


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GANON1025
10/20/18 10:47:09 AM
#157:


Sceptilesolar posted...
I don't know if you've just decided to ride the game through, but you don't have that much longer to theorize anything. EP5 was much more dense with hints than the previous episodes, but EP6 starts to move beyond hints at parts.


Beside some idle hypothesizing, I haven't really tried to piece everything together. Honestly I'm not even sure what things I CAN figure out right now.
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Reg
10/20/18 10:50:01 AM
#158:


IIRC it's possible to solve everything right now.

However, the epitaph is unreasonable to expect a non-Japanese speaker to solve IMO.
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GANON1025
10/20/18 11:00:37 AM
#159:


Yeah that one still seems crazy to me.

So by everything, what are we talking about? All the previous murders? Battler's real past and his sin? Beatrice's overall motivations?
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MariaTaylor
10/20/18 11:02:48 AM
#160:


Reg posted...
IIRC it's possible to solve everything right now.

However, the epitaph is unreasonable to expect a non-Japanese speaker to solve IMO.


it's worth adding to this that solving the epitaph is utterly meaningless and provides you with no valuable information that I'm aware of

I still don't understand the point of it, what the solution was (if the characters explicitly explain it then I've already forgotten), or even what it said or what it was about really. but I know what the ""solution"" of the actual murders and such are. and it's all based on clues that you see from battler's point of view on the island.

basically if you want to know who has been killing people you can think about what you've seen from battler's point of view on the island and give special weight to events that you know really happened for sure. solving some riddle about where you find gold isn't going to tell you that.
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Reg
10/20/18 11:03:16 AM
#161:


All of the above.
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Tom Bombadil
10/20/18 11:15:37 AM
#162:


yeah I think the epitaph is more for the characters than the reader but the solution was kinda fun
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GANON1025
10/20/18 12:03:29 PM
#163:


So I can trust Battlers point of view enough? Because one of the ideas brought up in the retrial is how Battler was an unreliable narrator at points.
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MariaTaylor
10/20/18 12:09:14 PM
#164:


GANON1025 posted...
So I can trust Battlers point of view enough? Because one of the ideas brought up in the retrial is how Battler was an unreliable narrator at points.


you can sometimes trust it and other times you can't.

if you think that sounds stupid, well... I don't disagree with you there!
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GANON1025
10/20/18 12:17:25 PM
#165:


Nah I get it. I hope this isnt a heavy rain kinda thing where it turns out the character was lying to themselves for no reason other than to fool the reader.
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Sceptilesolar
10/20/18 12:34:49 PM
#166:


You already know that isn't the case. Dlanor says in red in episode 5 that, prior to episode 5, Battler was the detective, and also in episode 5, it is established in red that the detective's viewpoint is objective fact.

The only points where Battler's viewpoint is compromised is Episode 5, where he's not the detective and is actually lying in his narration, and the very end of episode 2 because Meta-Battler stops playing.
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MariaTaylor
10/20/18 12:38:12 PM
#167:


what do you mean it isn't the case? you just explained yourself how it was the case
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GANON1025
10/20/18 12:38:29 PM
#168:


That's true!
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GANON1025
10/20/18 6:16:12 PM
#169:


As far as the murders go, the events in each episode are vague enough in my mind that I don't have a clear culprit for each one. I do however heavily suspect Shannon being involved. Her being a servant gives her special privileges, she could easily be dressing up as Beatrice and there's the whole Shannon/Sayo split that could be used to slip around some red text. As a killer I believe she fulfills the Decalogue's rules. Even Natsuhi mentioned something suspicious about her in the last episode.

If I can believe that Battler has the actual truth, and he's correct that he is the culprit of Episode 5 as well as the Mysterious Man, then his origins become more clear. He is that child, and for some reason Rudolf was able to save and/or eventually raise him as his own son. The question is, what happened to the real Battler? Beatrice, IIRC, mentioned that the Real Battler would know of the sin. Did the real Battler do something bad, and through this a series of events occurred that eventually resulted in the Battler we know taking his place?

If I had to guess at what Beatrice is after, then it would have to be to get Battler to understand the truth of his origins and what occurred in the past. But why would she care about that? That I don't know specifically. Could it be that the Beatrice we see is a representation of the person Battler committed this sin against, and once he announces the truth we will SEE the truth as well?
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GANON1025
10/20/18 6:22:24 PM
#170:


This wedding..... the episode barely even started and Battler already lost!! And after looking so cool before, I already don't like this.....
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GANON1025
10/20/18 6:27:58 PM
#171:


And of course, I should re-iterate my most hated theory I thought up: that this is all Ange's imagination.
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GANON1025
10/20/18 6:37:58 PM
#172:


So this mysterious author lady forged fake message bottles, but this forgeries told the stories of Episodes 3-5? Honestly, I'm just glad to see Amakusa again.
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GANON1025
10/20/18 6:51:02 PM
#173:


No, this is a new witch. And someone who has been reading this story, and has tasked Ange with reading it for her. I wonder if this is conversation/situation supposed to be some kind of meta-commentary on readers of mystery novels.
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GANON1025
10/20/18 6:56:30 PM
#174:


YEAH!!! There's the cape!!!! He looks so cool! Though this Beatrice-daughter thing is kinda weird...
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MariaTaylor
10/20/18 7:12:25 PM
#175:


GANON1025 posted...
This wedding..... the episode barely even started and Battler already lost!! And after looking so cool before, I already don't like this.....


lmao battler is such a wimp

I bet he can't even catch a ball
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Tom Bombadil
10/21/18 7:36:07 AM
#176:


GANON1025 posted...
the episode barely even started and Battler already lost


<red>Battler is incompetent.</red>
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GANON1025
10/21/18 6:08:26 PM
#177:


It REALLY feels like the writer is talking through this new witch at times, especially the parts where she remarks he readers aren't "getting it".
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MariaTaylor
10/21/18 6:09:10 PM
#178:


"if you don't like umineko you are stupid"

~ author of umineko
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Sceptilesolar
10/21/18 6:10:13 PM
#179:


How much Featherine is Ryukishi's mouthpiece is a huge and contentious subject. I think the most likely interpretation is probably that she's saying way more blunt versions of things he's expressed elsewhere.
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Reg
10/21/18 6:13:47 PM
#180:


It's also worth noting that Ryukishi's best friend and muse died before he wrote Ep 6 (After he finished Ep 5, but before it was released), which is widely cited as the reason for him becoming more blunt on things like this.
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GANON1025
10/21/18 6:16:20 PM
#181:


I was going to say, there's already a lot more recapping and blunt discussions in this episodes than the ones before. I don't dislike it either, since it feels like real answers are actually going to start coming.
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GANON1025
10/21/18 6:32:09 PM
#182:


Look at Battler, that Cadillac of a man, creating a story wherein Kanon can finally be true with his feelings. What a great friend.
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Tom Bombadil
10/22/18 7:52:43 PM
#183:


go battler go
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GANON1025
10/22/18 8:56:37 PM
#184:


Truly, now its Ange time
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GANON1025
10/23/18 7:20:56 PM
#185:


I guess I was inspired while playing Soul Calibur 6

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Tom Bombadil
10/23/18 7:28:11 PM
#186:


dang nice
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GANON1025
10/23/18 7:57:36 PM
#187:


Episodes 4 and 5 have been great

Rosa is in them for like 10 seconds total

Coincidence?
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Sceptilesolar
10/24/18 9:28:37 AM
#188:


Rosa was pretty prominent in ep4 though.
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GANON1025
10/24/18 9:49:13 AM
#189:


Oh right, for some reason all the Ange and Maria stuff feels separated from the rest of 4 in my mind.
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Tom Bombadil
10/25/18 9:57:28 AM
#190:


ange and maria is like all I remember about 4

umineko is one big blur to me I am always impressed about how well people can talk about individual eps really >_>
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Reg
10/25/18 10:04:29 AM
#191:


IMO it's pretty easy to keep the defining aspects (General order of deaths, a couple of the major happenings) of each episode straight, and from there you can piece the rest of the big picture of each episode together and the smaller events will come to mind.
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Raka_Putra
10/26/18 1:13:11 AM
#192:


Episode 6 is quite enjoyable. Episode 5 was certainly...impactful, what with the Natsuhi bullying and Erika.
Also Ange's parts are the worst.
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MariaTaylor
10/26/18 5:27:35 AM
#193:


I wouldn't say I specifically remember what happens in every episode, or even the full details of the story overall at this point.

maybe Reg is right and it is easy and I just don't care enough to think about Umineko regularly, though
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Raka_Putra
10/26/18 9:45:18 AM
#194:


The first episode is easiest by far for me to remember. Second and third episode are very easy as well. Fourth episode gets muddled because of the whole flashback stuff and I can't really remember the details with the murders, though I remember Kinzo's fight. Oh, this was the one with the tests as well, right?
Episode 5 and 6 I'm very spotty with, though I love the solution to the first six murders of episode 6. Episode 7 and 8 I remember the big scenes but not the whole game chronologically.
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Reg
10/26/18 9:56:51 AM
#195:


Fourth episode is possibly easiest for me to remember because of all the flashiness and hype <_<
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GANON1025
10/26/18 10:51:57 AM
#196:


Can you REALLY call yourself a true Battlerboy if you dont read umineko every year?
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Tom Bombadil
10/27/18 5:11:08 PM
#197:


trufax
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GANON1025
10/28/18 10:40:43 AM
#198:


Here's a theory: these scenes of Battler being trapped in a room, which appear to be linked to his mumblings about being trapped during the wedding are actually FLASHBACKS to when he was young
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Raka_Putra
10/28/18 9:30:00 PM
#199:


Like, during Rudolf's and Kyrie's wedding?
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GANON1025
10/29/18 6:28:33 PM
#200:


No, not that far back. Unless my timeline is off, but I was thinking more around the time of 6 years ago.
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