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TsunamiXXVIII 10/04/18 5:10:00 PM #51:	Evillordexdeath posted... TsunamiXXVIII posted... People still care about Dante? Well, I guess they must if he got a 1-seed, but honestly, the last time I remember DmC being relevant was that reboot or whatever it was that everyone hated. Devil May Cry V is currently in development. Some trailers for it came out around E3. They're giving the DmC universe the boot and bringing back the old white-haired Dante. That will probably generate a bit more goodwill toward him and make something like that a little harder to pull off than it would have been in '13, for instance. Personally, I just don't see Cuphead being able to pull in enough support regardless of what kind of pic Dante gets. Ah. Didn't know that. Yeah, that should be enough. I seem to remember Allen having a "most recent incarnation" policy on pics in the first round, and if the old Dante's back...yeah, that's enough. I knew that the Cuphead upset was a longshot (though potentially a valuable one because as you noted, Chloe and Lightning are both hated as well), but I initially went with it assuming that Dante would be handicapped by DmC. If DMCV has brought back the old Dante, this becomes easy...and Ganondorf-Dante in R3 becomes actually debatable (I'm sticking with Ganondorf, though.) --- "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. <cite>TsunamiXXVIII posted [p:909962500] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evillordexdeath posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TsunamiXXVIII posted...</cite> <quote>People still care about Dante? Well, I guess they must if he got a 1-seed, but honestly, the last time I remember DmC being relevant was that reboot or whatever it was that everyone hated. </quote> Devil May Cry V is currently in development. Some trailers for it came out around E3. They're giving the DmC universe the boot and bringing back the old white-haired Dante. That will probably generate a bit more goodwill toward him and make something like that a little harder to pull off than it would have been in '13, for instance. Personally, I just don't see Cuphead being able to pull in enough support regardless of what kind of pic Dante gets.</quote> Ah. Didn't know that. Yeah, that should be enough. I seem to remember Allen having a "most recent incarnation" policy on pics in the first round, and if the old Dante's back...yeah, that's enough. I knew that the Cuphead upset was a longshot (though potentially a valuable one because as you noted, Chloe and Lightning are both hated as well), but I initially went with it assuming that Dante would be handicapped by DmC. If DMCV has brought back the old Dante, this becomes easy...and Ganondorf-Dante in R3 becomes actually debatable (I'm sticking with Ganondorf, though.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/04/18 5:51:31 PM #52:	Battle 17: (1) Sora vs. (16) Ryo Hazuki Sora wins with 70% Battle 18: (8) Neptune vs. (9) Pokemon Trainer Red Red wins with 80% Battle 19: (5) Crash Bandicoot vs. (12) Cecil Harvey Crash is riding high at the moment, coming off a contest in which he won his first match. It wasn't very impressive on the whole, and he went on to lose to Elizabeth. Meanwhile, Cecil was out losing to Wrex, and has yet to bag his own first win. The PS1 Crash games have had a re-release since then, but I doubt it matters much. I think I'll take Cecil just because a close loss to Knuckles looks a little better than anything Crash has done. Cecil wins with 55% Battle 20: (4) Big Boss vs. (13) Ridley No reasonable estimation of Ridley's Smash announcement boost should bridge the gap between these two. Big Boss wins with 60% Battle 21: (3) Alucard vs. (14) Princess Peach There's a tiny amount of upset hype for this one. Seems like people give Alucard a low estimate every year, and feel the burn for it just as frequently. Alucard wins with 58% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:909964620] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 17: (1) Sora vs. (16) Ryo Hazuki Sora wins with 70% Battle 18: (8) Neptune vs. (9) Pokemon Trainer Red Red wins with 80% Battle 19: (5) Crash Bandicoot vs. (12) Cecil Harvey Crash is riding high at the moment, coming off a contest in which he won his first match. It wasn't very impressive on the whole, and he went on to lose to Elizabeth. Meanwhile, Cecil was out losing to Wrex, and has yet to bag his own first win. The PS1 Crash games have had a re-release since then, but I doubt it matters much. I think I'll take Cecil just because a close loss to Knuckles looks a little better than anything Crash has done. Cecil wins with 55% Battle 20: (4) Big Boss vs. (13) Ridley No reasonable estimation of Ridley's Smash announcement boost should bridge the gap between these two. Big Boss wins with 60% Battle 21: (3) Alucard vs. (14) Princess Peach There's a tiny amount of upset hype for this one. Seems like people give Alucard a low estimate every year, and feel the burn for it just as frequently. Alucard wins with 58% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/04/18 6:44:57 PM #53:	Battle 23: (7) Kefka vs. (10) L-Block Kefka's matches have never made any sense. This match has like 40% in a ten way poll about which Round 1 match is hardest to call. L-Blocks' contest victory is now 10 years old, so only the most dedicated joke-voters will still find his presence here funny. As I recall, Kefka has done relatively well recently, and the block has faded into the background as you would expect. I don't think that we have enough information to go on. I think I'll just lean toward Kefka due to FF fanboyism. Kefka wins with 50.3% Battle 24: (2) Kazuma Kiryu vs. (15) Bomberman Kazuma is heavily overseeded. I think the Yakuza guys will be really weak here. It's hard to say if they'll be Bomberman-level weak, though - that guy has really lived up to his name in these things. My initial inclination was that Bomberman's status as a minor gaming icon will give him the edge, but characters like that have failed a lot before, so who knows. Bomberman wins with 52% Battle 25: (1) 2B vs. (16) Cayde-6 With a different draw, 2B might have become the second 1 seed to lose in round 1. Luckily for her, she's matched against a strong contender for the lowest spot in the xstats. I have no idea who nominated Cayde or why but I think he has all the makings of a neo-Tanner. 2B could destroy this matchup and still lose in round 2. 2B wins with 70% Battle 26: (8) Shadow the Hedgehog vs. (9) Ness I nominated both of these guys. Thinking about it now, they might be my two favorite characters in the bracket, so seeing them matched up against each other is kind of rough. I think Ness has this one. Shadow is a strange contest entity, but since that ~45% on Mario he's fallen off a cliff and today he can only beat the likes of Yu Nakurami. Ness isn't a hell of a lot better, but he's not as hated - or as much of a laughingstock. I'll be voting for him too. Ness wins with 55%, proving himself to be as strong as Mario. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:909967472] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 23: (7) Kefka vs. (10) L-Block Kefka's matches have never made any sense. This match has like 40% in a ten way poll about which Round 1 match is hardest to call. L-Blocks' contest victory is now 10 years old, so only the most dedicated joke-voters will still find his presence here funny. As I recall, Kefka has done relatively well recently, and the block has faded into the background as you would expect. I don't think that we have enough information to go on. I think I'll just lean toward Kefka due to FF fanboyism. Kefka wins with 50.3% Battle 24: (2) Kazuma Kiryu vs. (15) Bomberman Kazuma is heavily overseeded. I think the Yakuza guys will be really weak here. It's hard to say if they'll be Bomberman-level weak, though - that guy has really lived up to his name in these things. My initial inclination was that Bomberman's status as a minor gaming icon will give him the edge, but characters like that have failed a lot before, so who knows. Bomberman wins with 52% Battle 25: (1) 2B vs. (16) Cayde-6 With a different draw, 2B might have become the second 1 seed to lose in round 1. Luckily for her, she's matched against a strong contender for the lowest spot in the xstats. I have no idea who nominated Cayde or why but I think he has all the makings of a neo-Tanner. 2B could destroy this matchup and still lose in round 2. 2B wins with 70% Battle 26: (8) Shadow the Hedgehog vs. (9) Ness I nominated both of these guys. Thinking about it now, they might be my two favorite characters in the bracket, so seeing them matched up against each other is kind of rough. I think Ness has this one. Shadow is a strange contest entity, but since that ~45% on Mario he's fallen off a cliff and today he can only beat the likes of Yu Nakurami. Ness isn't a hell of a lot better, but he's not as hated - or as much of a laughingstock. I'll be voting for him too. Ness wins with 55%, proving himself to be as strong as Mario.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/04/18 6:48:21 PM #54:	I wonder how L-Block fares among regular GameFAQ's users specifically? I have Kefka currently, but I wonder if registered votes counting double swings the match the other way if L-Block performs significantly better than average among established users of this site due to him having won the contest that one year. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:909967699] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how L-Block fares among regular GameFAQ's users specifically? I have Kefka currently, but I wonder if registered votes counting double swings the match the other way if L-Block performs significantly better than average among established users of this site due to him having won the contest that one year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/04/18 7:20:54 PM #55:	I think that L-Block and other joke characters tend to do better with registered users than unregistered ones. There's some discussion about it in the stats topic, if I recall right. Since the difference won't be huge (registered users might vote for L-Block at 53% while unregistered ones vote for Kefka at around the same, for instance, though those numbers are essentially made up.) That being the case, it won't change the outcome unless the match is really close - but Kefka/L-Block could easily be a match that's close enough for that. Kefka might be the type to do well with registered users too for all I know. Someone else would be better qualified to comment on that. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:909969450] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I think that L-Block and other joke characters tend to do better with registered users than unregistered ones. There's some discussion about it in the stats topic, if I recall right. Since the difference won't be huge (registered users might vote for L-Block at 53% while unregistered ones vote for Kefka at around the same, for instance, though those numbers are essentially made up.) That being the case, it won't change the outcome unless the match is really close - but Kefka/L-Block could easily be a match that's close enough for that. Kefka might be the type to do well with registered users too for all I know. Someone else would be better qualified to comment on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/04/18 7:48:55 PM #56:	Battles 27 & 28: (5) Terra Branford vs. (12) Charizard & (4) Bowser vs. (13) Gordon Freeman More free points. Charizard and Bowser win with 65% each. Battle 29: (3) Phoenix Wright vs (14) Chris Redfield Chris is somewhat hard to get a read on. The only characters he's ever placed ahead of are Tim (Braid) and some guy from CoD. He's lost to Pyramid Head, but he also has a half-decent performance against Fox and Sora. In 2010, he did slightly worse than Ridley against Cloud. Meanwhile, Phoenix has only become stronger over time and is now clearly more powerful than Vincent, so he wins easily. In all seriousness, Phoenix should probably be the favorite but no one should feel too comfortable about him. For what little it's worth, Chris is actually ahead of him in the 2010 X-Stats. Phoenix wins with 53% Battle 30: (6) Ike vs. (11) Joel The Last of Us was not too weak in Games 2015. Joel is probably better than someone like Clementine, but I don't think he'll be worth much in any case. Ike has at least beaten Zidane - not that Zidane is exactly a demon in these. Ike wins with 58% Battle 31: (7) Estelle Bright vs. (10) Isaac This will be the day when we get to find out just how terrible a fodder character Estelle is. It's somewhere in the range of "definitively fodder" and "Bottom 5." Board 8 organized around her in order to answer this question. Hope it was worth it, guys. Isaac wins with 70% Battle 32: (2) Kirby vs. (15) Guile The dum pink ball wins with 80% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:909970862] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battles 27 & 28: (5) Terra Branford vs. (12) Charizard & (4) Bowser vs. (13) Gordon Freeman More free points. Charizard and Bowser win with 65% each. Battle 29: (3) Phoenix Wright vs (14) Chris Redfield Chris is somewhat hard to get a read on. The only characters he's ever placed ahead of are Tim (Braid) and some guy from CoD. He's lost to Pyramid Head, but he also has a half-decent performance against Fox and Sora. In 2010, he did slightly worse than Ridley against Cloud. Meanwhile, Phoenix has only become stronger over time and is now clearly more powerful than Vincent, so he wins easily. In all seriousness, Phoenix should probably be the favorite but no one should feel too comfortable about him. For what little it's worth, Chris is actually ahead of him in the 2010 X-Stats. Phoenix wins with 53% Battle 30: (6) Ike vs. (11) Joel The Last of Us was not too weak in Games 2015. Joel is probably better than someone like Clementine, but I don't think he'll be worth much in any case. Ike has at least beaten Zidane - not that Zidane is exactly a demon in these. Ike wins with 58% Battle 31: (7) Estelle Bright vs. (10) Isaac This will be the day when we get to find out just how terrible a fodder character Estelle is. It's somewhere in the range of "definitively fodder" and "Bottom 5." Board 8 organized around her in order to answer this question. Hope it was worth it, guys. Isaac wins with 70% Battle 32: (2) Kirby vs. (15) Guile The dum pink ball wins with 80% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AxemRedRanger 10/04/18 8:17:37 PM #57:	oh hey I think I just figured out why Chris Redfield vs. Phoenix Wright was set up. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3786-jenova-division-round-1-sephiroth-vs-marth https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3814-midgar-division-round-2-cloud-strife-vs-chris-redfield Phoenix got like 55% on a guy that had gotten 28% on Sephiroth so can he beat the guy that got 28% on Cloud!? (yes) --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO BKSheikah NO PEACE] <cite>AxemRedRanger posted [p:909972450] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>oh hey I think I just figured out why Chris Redfield vs. Phoenix Wright was set up. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3786-jenova-division-round-1-sephiroth-vs-marth https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3814-midgar-division-round-2-cloud-strife-vs-chris-redfield Phoenix got like 55% on a guy that had gotten 28% on Sephiroth so can he beat the guy that got 28% on Cloud!? (yes)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/05/18 7:58:09 AM #58:	Battle 33: (1) Squall Leonhart vs (16) Hat Kid Squall wins with 85% Battle 34: (8) Garrus Vakarian vs. (9) Ramza Beoulve Mass Effect's status as a series has really degraded since the last contest. It makes sense to assume that the characters will be weaker on that basis. Last time around, Garrus came kind of close to Sub-Zero. That should be ahead of Ramza pretty easily - Ramza is another example of a character with an embarrassing contest history, particularly that loss to Hogger. He has to hope that his game has undergone some of the resurgence we saw from Chrono Trigger in 2015 - or that Garrus has fallen off really rapidly. As much as I love FFT, I don't think either of those are likely. Garrus wins with 55% Battle 35: (5) Metal Sonic vs. (12) The Boss Since Metal Sonic has never appeared before, this one could be a bit tricky. The Boss isn't that great. She barely edged out Drake in 2010, though she did have the seeding - and therefore bracket votes - against her. Metal Sonic might pull it off - I feel like he could end up having some strength. I think he'd have to be the second-strongest Sonic character to win this in the first place. The Boss wins with 55% Battle 36: (4) Zelda vs. (13) Ezio Auditore da Firenze This is a rematch. Last time Ezio was a 2 seed. Zelda scored 62%. She should go higher this time. He'll be weaker, and she might even be stronger. Zelda wins with 70% Battle 37: (3) Aloy vs. (14) D.Va D.Va is one of the characters people have suggested as a rally target. I said earlier that I think she's one of the more likely ones, and that's because I think she at least theoretically has what she needs. So far, we've seen three contest winning rallies: one from a complete joke character, one from a character from a competitive online game with a huge playerbase, and one from a smash-hit indie game that had been released only a couple of months before. D.Va fits into the second category. Overwatch's playerbase certainly is large enough to win her the contest if they care enough. The really sad thing is that she might not even need a rally to be Aloy. That could turn out to help her - she would get out of the first match with no trouble. But it could also be her downfall: if she doesn't need it, her rally won't get started, and therefore she will have to begin it in round 2, against an opponent who just might be too strong for a fresh rally. After all, Fox is no Jak. D.Va wins with 50.5% Battle 38: (6) Jill Valentine vs. (11) Fox McCloud I was being a bit flippant just there, because these two are actually really close. In 2010 Jill scored 33% on Samus - and Fox scored 33% on Snake. Fox is only a few spots ahead of her in the X-Stats for that year. Part of my inclination to take Fox is just that he's a character I really like (I nominated him for this contest.) In 2013, Fox looked like he might have been able to take down a Pokemon character if the format didn't screw him. Meanwhile, Jill finished a little ahead of Kratos while getting blown out by Mega Man. Maybe you can cite some kind of Capcom SFF and say that this isn't a fair comparison, but would I take Fox over Kratos? Yes. Easily. Fox wins with 52% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:909995204] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 33: (1) Squall Leonhart vs (16) Hat Kid Squall wins with 85% Battle 34: (8) Garrus Vakarian vs. (9) Ramza Beoulve Mass Effect's status as a series has really degraded since the last contest. It makes sense to assume that the characters will be weaker on that basis. Last time around, Garrus came kind of close to Sub-Zero. That should be ahead of Ramza pretty easily - Ramza is another example of a character with an embarrassing contest history, particularly that loss to Hogger. He has to hope that his game has undergone some of the resurgence we saw from Chrono Trigger in 2015 - or that Garrus has fallen off really rapidly. As much as I love FFT, I don't think either of those are likely. Garrus wins with 55% Battle 35: (5) Metal Sonic vs. (12) The Boss Since Metal Sonic has never appeared before, this one could be a bit tricky. The Boss isn't that great. She barely edged out Drake in 2010, though she did have the seeding - and therefore bracket votes - against her. Metal Sonic might pull it off - I feel like he could end up having some strength. I think he'd have to be the second-strongest Sonic character to win this in the first place. The Boss wins with 55% Battle 36: (4) Zelda vs. (13) Ezio Auditore da Firenze This is a rematch. Last time Ezio was a 2 seed. Zelda scored 62%. She should go higher this time. He'll be weaker, and she might even be stronger. Zelda wins with 70% Battle 37: (3) Aloy vs. (14) D.Va D.Va is one of the characters people have suggested as a rally target. I said earlier that I think she's one of the more likely ones, and that's because I think she at least theoretically has what she needs. So far, we've seen three contest winning rallies: one from a complete joke character, one from a character from a competitive online game with a huge playerbase, and one from a smash-hit indie game that had been released only a couple of months before. D.Va fits into the second category. Overwatch's playerbase certainly is large enough to win her the contest if they care enough. The really sad thing is that she might not even need a rally to be Aloy. That could turn out to help her - she would get out of the first match with no trouble. But it could also be her downfall: if she doesn't need it, her rally won't get started, and therefore she will have to begin it in round 2, against an opponent who just might be too strong for a fresh rally. After all, Fox is no Jak. D.Va wins with 50.5% Battle 38: (6) Jill Valentine vs. (11) Fox McCloud I was being a bit flippant just there, because these two are actually really close. In 2010 Jill scored 33% on Samus - and Fox scored 33% on Snake. Fox is only a few spots ahead of her in the X-Stats for that year. Part of my inclination to take Fox is just that he's a character I really like (I nominated him for this contest.) In 2013, Fox looked like he might have been able to take down a Pokemon character if the format didn't screw him. Meanwhile, Jill finished a little ahead of Kratos while getting blown out by Mega Man. Maybe you can cite some kind of Capcom SFF and say that this isn't a fair comparison, but would I take Fox over Kratos? Yes. Easily. 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Evillordexdeath 10/05/18 5:40:09 PM #59:	Battle 39: (7) Shovel Knight vs. (10) Captain Toad This one is debatable to a certain extent. All we really know is that both characters will be weak. I'm inclined toward Toad because he's a Nintendo character people recognize, and because indie gaming has a record of doing really poorly here - or at least it did in 2015. Toad wins with 53% Battle 40: (2) Waluigi vs. (15) Aerith Gainsborough Aeris is our first of quite a few FFVII characters to have a match this year. See's also the only one with a realistic chance of losing round 1. Whatever estimate you may have of FFVII's decline, I really don't think Waluigi can hold up to her without a rally (mainly based on Wario's past strength.) To me, it does seem possible that he could catch a meme-based rally. He might be one of the more likely candidates, but I still don't think it's that likely. Aeris might even have the strength to hold up against a round 1 rally where someone like Jak couldn't. Aeris wins with 65% Battle 41: (1) Geralt vs. (16) Rosalina Rosalina is a relatively well-liked Nintendo character with some exposure to her. Galaxy has never really gotten its due on this site, which doesn't bode that well for her. The best gauge of Geralt that we have is Witcher III's half-decent performance in 2015. He'll be in some debatable matches later, but I don't think Rosalina has enough going for her to bring him down. Geralt wins with 60% Battle 42: (8) Ryu Hayabusa vs. (9) Simon Belmont Being in Smash doesn't seem to do all that much for a lot of characters. We found that out in the 4-ways particularly. One point of trivia: in his only contest appearance, Lucas ended up losing directly to the Jinzo from Banjo-Kazooie, and was last in the X-Stats. This was after he appeared in Brawl. Hayabusa wins with 58% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910023405] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 39: (7) Shovel Knight vs. (10) Captain Toad This one is debatable to a certain extent. All we really know is that both characters will be weak. I'm inclined toward Toad because he's a Nintendo character people recognize, and because indie gaming has a record of doing really poorly here - or at least it did in 2015. Toad wins with 53% Battle 40: (2) Waluigi vs. (15) Aerith Gainsborough Aeris is our first of quite a few FFVII characters to have a match this year. See's also the only one with a realistic chance of losing round 1. Whatever estimate you may have of FFVII's decline, I really don't think Waluigi can hold up to her without a rally (mainly based on Wario's past strength.) To me, it does seem possible that he could catch a meme-based rally. He might be one of the more likely candidates, but I still don't think it's that likely. Aeris might even have the strength to hold up against a round 1 rally where someone like Jak couldn't. Aeris wins with 65% Battle 41: (1) Geralt vs. (16) Rosalina Rosalina is a relatively well-liked Nintendo character with some exposure to her. Galaxy has never really gotten its due on this site, which doesn't bode that well for her. The best gauge of Geralt that we have is Witcher III's half-decent performance in 2015. He'll be in some debatable matches later, but I don't think Rosalina has enough going for her to bring him down. Geralt wins with 60% Battle 42: (8) Ryu Hayabusa vs. (9) Simon Belmont Being in Smash doesn't seem to do all that much for a lot of characters. We found that out in the 4-ways particularly. One point of trivia: in his only contest appearance, Lucas ended up losing directly to the Jinzo from Banjo-Kazooie, and was last in the X-Stats. This was after he appeared in Brawl. Hayabusa wins with 58% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/05/18 6:37:33 PM #60:	Battle 43: (5) Sans Undertale vs. (12) Pac-Man In case you don't know, Sans Undertale is the main character of Undertale, which won the most recent GameFAQs contest. As such, he's one of the characters in the rally discussion. Allen really seems to like the guy, since he not only gave him a winnable match, but actually let him into the contest twice under different names. To begin with, let's talk about how strong Sans Undertale will be without a rally. This site demonstrably does not care about his game. It was getting doubled by the hated Mass Effect 3 before its rally kicked in. It also had an underwhelming performance in GotY, and after the contest, a PotD ran asking people if it had convinced them to play Undertale. The overwhelming response was one of apathy. He's probably not quite in the bottom 5 as a starting point, but he won't be able to beat Pac-Man. I think it's exceptionally hard for the same entity to rally twice. There will be a sense of "been there, done that." Undertale is also past its peak as a game. I don't think it will be Sans Undertale who gets the rally. Pac-Man wins with 60% Battle 44: (4) Bayonetta vs. (12) Riku I picked Riku at first, but I wasn't too confident. Looking over the guy's previous performances gives me more faith in him. He's done surprisingly well for himself over the years - though maybe not too surprisingly, since his bro is a high-ranking character. Riku is probably the second-strongest guy from KH, and he's scored over 60% on Ramza, defeated Ryu H, and lost close matches against Frog, Captain Falcon, and even Yoshi. Bayonetta didn't quite double N in 2013 - who was not hugely stronger than Wander. To be fair, in round 2 she came sort-of-close on Alucard. I don't think that extrapolating from that match would get her to Riku's percentage on Captain Falcon, but she's had a lot of reason to boost since then - but with KHIII being a highly-anticipated game these days, the same might be said of Riku. Bayonetta 2 wasn't great in 2015, but it wasn't terrible either - it got like 37% on RDR, which then got 40% on SotC. So perhaps it will give her a decent boost - which she needs. She has to beat his boost by enough to overtake the gap that already existed between them, it seems. I think it's a bit of a long shot. Riku wins with 52% Battle 45: (3) Auron vs. (14) Lucina Back to free points. Auron wins with 70% Battle 46: (6) Magus vs. (11) Vincent Valentine Vincent's a tough guy to call in terms of his strength. He used to be a #10 candidate - and in fact, he was the first guy to break the noble nine in any format - so long as we don't count Solano's B8-only poll. But after that 2013 loss to Phoenix Wright it's hard to say how far he's fallen. Magus was way below him in the past, and is himself a legendary choker. I think that Vincent will surprise people a little bit, but he should be the favorite in this match regardless. Vincent wins with 60% Battle 47: (7) Shulk vs. (10) Sub-Zero Rounding out the post with some free points. Sub-Zero wins with 58% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910026061] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 43: (5) Sans Undertale vs. (12) Pac-Man In case you don't know, Sans Undertale is the main character of Undertale, which won the most recent GameFAQs contest. As such, he's one of the characters in the rally discussion. Allen really seems to like the guy, since he not only gave him a winnable match, but actually let him into the contest twice under different names. To begin with, let's talk about how strong Sans Undertale will be without a rally. This site demonstrably does not care about his game. It was getting doubled by the hated Mass Effect 3 before its rally kicked in. It also had an underwhelming performance in GotY, and after the contest, a PotD ran asking people if it had convinced them to play Undertale. The overwhelming response was one of apathy. He's probably not quite in the bottom 5 as a starting point, but he won't be able to beat Pac-Man. I think it's exceptionally hard for the same entity to rally twice. There will be a sense of "been there, done that." Undertale is also past its peak as a game. I don't think it will be Sans Undertale who gets the rally. Pac-Man wins with 60% Battle 44: (4) Bayonetta vs. (12) Riku I picked Riku at first, but I wasn't too confident. Looking over the guy's previous performances gives me more faith in him. He's done surprisingly well for himself over the years - though maybe not too surprisingly, since his bro is a high-ranking character. Riku is probably the second-strongest guy from KH, and he's scored over 60% on Ramza, defeated Ryu H, and lost close matches against Frog, Captain Falcon, and even Yoshi. Bayonetta didn't quite double N in 2013 - who was not hugely stronger than Wander. To be fair, in round 2 she came sort-of-close on Alucard. I don't think that extrapolating from that match would get her to Riku's percentage on Captain Falcon, but she's had a lot of reason to boost since then - but with KHIII being a highly-anticipated game these days, the same might be said of Riku. Bayonetta 2 wasn't great in 2015, but it wasn't terrible either - it got like 37% on RDR, which then got 40% on SotC. So perhaps it will give her a decent boost - which she needs. She has to beat his boost by enough to overtake the gap that already existed between them, it seems. I think it's a bit of a long shot. Riku wins with 52% Battle 45: (3) Auron vs. (14) Lucina Back to free points. Auron wins with 70% Battle 46: (6) Magus vs. (11) Vincent Valentine Vincent's a tough guy to call in terms of his strength. He used to be a #10 candidate - and in fact, he was the first guy to break the noble nine in any format - so long as we don't count Solano's B8-only poll. But after that 2013 loss to Phoenix Wright it's hard to say how far he's fallen. Magus was way below him in the past, and is himself a legendary choker. I think that Vincent will surprise people a little bit, but he should be the favorite in this match regardless. Vincent wins with 60% Battle 47: (7) Shulk vs. (10) Sub-Zero Rounding out the post with some free points. Sub-Zero wins with 58% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 10/05/18 6:38:46 PM #61:	shulk gonna shock the world with his smash and franchise growth boost --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg somethin somethin hung somethin horse somethin <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:910026113] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>shulk gonna shock the world with his smash and franchise growth boost</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/06/18 9:01:20 AM #62:	Battle 48: (2) Ren Amamiya vs. (15) Claire Redfield This is Claire's fourth match, and a good chance for her first win. This contest has really devalued the idea of a 2 seed. It won't be shocking if we see not one, but three 15 > 2 upsets this time around. Ren, whose best metric is Yu Nakurami, clearly does not deserve that ranking. But is he weak enough to lose to Claire, of 48% on Kairi fame? Maybe not. I'd like to know what other people think. I heard some people claim that P5 will be stronger than its predecessor, but I don't really know why you'd think that. For now, I'll say that Claire wins with 52% Battle 49: (1) Luigi vs. (16) Miles Edgeworth Luigi wins with 75% Battle 50: (8) Frog vs. (9) Monokuma Monobear doesn't even have a chance at a rally. I notice that I've called a few different characters bottom 5 so far. Well, here's another one. Frog wins with 80% Battle 51: (5) Master Chief vs. (12) Goro Majima Chief has gone from a wildly inconsistent character who pulls off legendary matches to just plain weak, and there's really no way for him to rebound on this site. That being said, he should still have what it takes to bring down a Yakuza character. Chief wins with 60% Battle 52: (4) Nathan Drake vs (13) Miles 'Tails' Prower Maybe this isn't quite what you'd call a free point, but Tails has never done well here and has nearly no chance. Drake wins with 58% Battle 53: (3) Tifa Lockhart vs (14) Geno Here they are. Tifa wins with 75% Battle 54: (6) GLaDOS vs (11) Mewtwo This match is really too bad. GLaDOS is not a slouch. This placement feels like a bit of a waste of her. Mewtwo may be a fraud, but I don't think he's this much of one. Watch his percentage closely, though. Mewtwo wins with 55% Battle 55: (7) King Dedede vs (10) Revolver Ocelot Don't get the choice of Dedede. That was probably an even worse NRT choice than Estelle. Ocelot wins with 65% Battle 56: (2) Mega Man X vs (15) Isabelle Now here's a proper 2 seed. Free points. X wins with 75% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910054093] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 48: (2) Ren Amamiya vs. (15) Claire Redfield This is Claire's fourth match, and a good chance for her first win. This contest has really devalued the idea of a 2 seed. It won't be shocking if we see not one, but three 15 > 2 upsets this time around. Ren, whose best metric is Yu Nakurami, clearly does not deserve that ranking. But is he weak enough to lose to Claire, of 48% on Kairi fame? Maybe not. I'd like to know what other people think. I heard some people claim that P5 will be stronger than its predecessor, but I don't really know why you'd think that. For now, I'll say that Claire wins with 52% Battle 49: (1) Luigi vs. (16) Miles Edgeworth Luigi wins with 75% Battle 50: (8) Frog vs. (9) Monokuma Monobear doesn't even have a chance at a rally. I notice that I've called a few different characters bottom 5 so far. Well, here's another one. Frog wins with 80% Battle 51: (5) Master Chief vs. (12) Goro Majima Chief has gone from a wildly inconsistent character who pulls off legendary matches to just plain weak, and there's really no way for him to rebound on this site. That being said, he should still have what it takes to bring down a Yakuza character. Chief wins with 60% Battle 52: (4) Nathan Drake vs (13) Miles 'Tails' Prower Maybe this isn't quite what you'd call a free point, but Tails has never done well here and has nearly no chance. Drake wins with 58% Battle 53: (3) Tifa Lockhart vs (14) Geno Here they are. Tifa wins with 75% Battle 54: (6) GLaDOS vs (11) Mewtwo This match is really too bad. GLaDOS is not a slouch. This placement feels like a bit of a waste of her. Mewtwo may be a fraud, but I don't think he's this much of one. Watch his percentage closely, though. Mewtwo wins with 55% Battle 55: (7) King Dedede vs (10) Revolver Ocelot Don't get the choice of Dedede. That was probably an even worse NRT choice than Estelle. Ocelot wins with 65% Battle 56: (2) Mega Man X vs (15) Isabelle Now here's a proper 2 seed. Free points. X wins with 75% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/06/18 9:20:59 AM #63:	Lol I thought Goro Majima was from Mortal Kombat. Chief's victory is all but assured. Just for the heck of it, would you take the following non-VG characters over Master Chief? Superman Robocop John McClane Ellen Ripley T-1000 --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910054654] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Lol I thought Goro Majima was from Mortal Kombat. Chief's victory is all but assured. Just for the heck of it, would you take the following non-VG characters over Master Chief? Superman Robocop John McClane Ellen Ripley T-1000</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/06/18 9:33:16 AM #64:	Probably Superman, but none of the others. I think characters from outside of gaming would probably be very weak in these things, with few exceptions. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910054981] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Probably Superman, but none of the others. I think characters from outside of gaming would probably be very weak in these things, with few exceptions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/06/18 9:37:34 AM #65:	Okay. I was thinking Superman might be weakened by his bastardization and subsequently botched character re-railment in his recent films. To think Superman would probably still beat Mad Max in a contest considering this is honestly kind of disgusting, but then again I guess that would be the same as if Samus had blown out a Walking Dead character in a character contest held between 2010 and 2017. With how anti-voted Chief is, I thought maybe many gamers on this site would hold more respect for Alien or Die Hard than for Halo. Probably not though. Part of me wants to imagine how "well" John McClane could do on Samus if she received the worst pic possible. Like, say, if it was Die Hard's poster (the one with Nakatomi on fire) vs. Metroid: Other M's cover art. Or to disadvantage Samus more "fairly" maybe give her ~~the thumbs down while staring at Adam's sacrifice vs. John radioing Sgt. Powell about his wife.~~ Then again it's not like John McClane wasn't bastardized pretty badly himself in his newest film, and Other M is no longer Samus's newest game so she's back. Oh my god...imagine Samus with an Other M pic vs. Luke Skywalker with a Last Jedi pic. Let the hate flow! (yes two pet obsessions of mine, what do you want?) --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910055102] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Okay. I was thinking Superman might be weakened by his bastardization and subsequently botched character re-railment in his recent films. To think Superman would probably still beat Mad Max in a contest considering this is honestly kind of disgusting, but then again I guess that would be the same as if Samus had blown out a Walking Dead character in a character contest held between 2010 and 2017. With how anti-voted Chief is, I thought maybe many gamers on this site would hold more respect for Alien or Die Hard than for Halo. Probably not though. Part of me wants to imagine how "well" John McClane could do on Samus if she received the worst pic possible. Like, say, if it was Die Hard's poster (the one with Nakatomi on fire) vs. Metroid: Other M's cover art. Or to disadvantage Samus more "fairly" maybe give her the thumbs down while staring at Adam's sacrifice vs. John radioing Sgt. Powell about his wife. Then again it's not like John McClane wasn't bastardized pretty badly himself in his newest film, and Other M is no longer Samus's newest game so she's back. Oh my god...imagine Samus with an Other M pic vs. Luke Skywalker with a Last Jedi pic. Let the hate flow! (yes two pet obsessions of mine, what do you want?)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mozzezz 10/06/18 12:04:22 PM #66:	CelesMyUserName posted... shulk gonna shock the world with his smash and franchise growth boost Agreed, I have him going to round 3. Evillordexdeath posted... Battle 48: (2) Ren Amamiya vs. (15) Claire Redfield This is Claire's fourth match, and a good chance for her first win. This contest has really devalued the idea of a 2 seed. It won't be shocking if we see not one, but three 15 > 2 upsets this time around. Ren, whose best metric is Yu Nakurami, clearly does not deserve that ranking. But is he weak enough to lose to Claire, of 48% on Kairi fame? Maybe not. I'd like to know what other people think. I heard some people claim that P5 will be stronger than its predecessor, but I don't really know why you'd think that. For now, I'll say that Claire wins with 52% I have Claire here also, I just think P5 is still too niche. Xenoblade on the other hand I think almost hit mainstream levels, though didn't quite get there, so Shulk should do half decent, especially since he is in Smash. --- "Lower your guard and you will allow the enemy in." - Frog from Chrono Trigger (the original alt frog). https://imgur.com/hSc6hOs <cite>Mozzezz posted [p:910060186] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>shulk gonna shock the world with his smash and franchise growth boost</quote> Agreed, I have him going to round 3. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted...</cite> <quote>Battle 48: (2) Ren Amamiya vs. (15) Claire Redfield This is Claire's fourth match, and a good chance for her first win. This contest has really devalued the idea of a 2 seed. It won't be shocking if we see not one, but three 15 > 2 upsets this time around. Ren, whose best metric is Yu Nakurami, clearly does not deserve that ranking. But is he weak enough to lose to Claire, of 48% on Kairi fame? Maybe not. I'd like to know what other people think. I heard some people claim that P5 will be stronger than its predecessor, but I don't really know why you'd think that. For now, I'll say that Claire wins with 52% </quote> I have Claire here also, I just think P5 is still too niche. Xenoblade on the other hand I think almost hit mainstream levels, though didn't quite get there, so Shulk should do half decent, especially since he is in Smash.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/06/18 12:11:08 PM #67:	I have Claire out of fanboyism. Also because Resident Evil characters have a better track record in these contests than Persona characters - when your strongest reps lose to the likes of Jak and Shadow the Hedgehog, something's wrong. I think most of us would take Claire over Jak without thinking twice, and some would consider Claire over Shadow. Heck, at least Claire is a regular presence in Resident Evil again, between starring in Revelations 2 and the upcoming RE2 remake (RE2make?). The last time we saw her, she had been relegated to being playable in spin-off games. Just thinking about the proliferation of Final Fantasy and Resident Evil spin-offs this century makes it easy to pinpoint Japan's economic recession. Would we say that the Japanese game industry has made a comeback recently? --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910060460] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I have Claire out of fanboyism. Also because Resident Evil characters have a better track record in these contests than Persona characters - when your strongest reps lose to the likes of Jak and Shadow the Hedgehog, something's wrong. I think most of us would take Claire over Jak without thinking twice, and some would consider Claire over Shadow. Heck, at least Claire is a regular presence in Resident Evil again, between starring in Revelations 2 and the upcoming RE2 remake (RE2make?). The last time we saw her, she had been relegated to being playable in spin-off games. Just thinking about the proliferation of Final Fantasy and Resident Evil spin-offs this century makes it easy to pinpoint Japan's economic recession. Would we say that the Japanese game industry has made a comeback recently?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero11 10/06/18 12:21:55 PM #68:	Joker should be a bit stronger than Yu because Persona 5 was a GotY candidate and drew in some new fans. I think he'll also benefit from the registered users vote bonus, and of course the bracket vote being a 2 seed --- MZero, to the extreme "2017 Guru champ BKSheikah is racist against cute Pokemon." - Luster <cite>MZero11 posted [p:910060907] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Joker should be a bit stronger than Yu because Persona 5 was a GotY candidate and drew in some new fans. I think he'll also benefit from the registered users vote bonus, and of course the bracket vote being a 2 seed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/06/18 12:23:24 PM #69:	I don't doubt that, just saying. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910060981] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I don't doubt that, just saying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/06/18 12:28:33 PM #70:	Doing half-decent isn't enough to get Shulk past Sub-Zero though, who has historically been pretty strong. For example Sub-Zero beat mainstream JRPG protagonist Tidus in 2010, and he also placed higher than Lightning and Zidane in the x-stats. Do you take Shulk over any of those characters? Also Shulk looked quite pitiful in 2013 even though yes this was before Sm4sh and yes this was before Xenoblade had hit the height of its popularity. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:910061217] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Doing half-decent isn't enough to get Shulk past Sub-Zero though, who has historically been pretty strong. For example Sub-Zero beat mainstream JRPG protagonist Tidus in 2010, and he also placed higher than Lightning and Zidane in the x-stats. Do you take Shulk over any of those characters? Also Shulk looked quite pitiful in 2013 even though yes this was before Sm4sh and yes this was before Xenoblade had hit the height of its popularity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/06/18 12:29:43 PM #71:	And yeah I think Persona 4 is more popular among established fans of the Persona series, but I also think P5 drew in a ton of new people. As for what that means for Yu Narukami vs. Joker, I don't know. I'm considering them to be about equal strength. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:910061268] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>And yeah I think Persona 4 is more popular among established fans of the Persona series, but I also think P5 drew in a ton of new people. As for what that means for Yu Narukami vs. Joker, I don't know. I'm considering them to be about equal strength.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mozzezz 10/06/18 9:43:59 PM #72:	pyresword posted... For example Sub-Zero beat mainstream JRPG protagonist Tidus in 2010, and he also placed higher than Lightning and Zidane in the x-stats. Do you take Shulk over any of those characters? I would take Shulk over Zidane and probably Lightning, Tidus is the only really questionable one. Sub-Zero is another fighting game character, and Shulk sort of became a fighting game character when he got into Smash, plus he has Xenoblade. I'm betting pretty heavily against fighting games in my bracket since I don't think they've had any real traction since either UMvC 3 or Street Fighter X Tekken. I'm betting that they haven't really picked up many new players and most of the old ones have more so then not moved on. Mortal Kombat itself at best last mattered at all with X, and that was around 3 and half years ago, and I think there was really only some hype around it during its initial release. --- "Lower your guard and you will allow the enemy in." - Frog from Chrono Trigger (the original alt frog). https://imgur.com/hSc6hOs <cite>Mozzezz posted [p:910087880] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>pyresword posted...</cite> <quote>For example Sub-Zero beat mainstream JRPG protagonist Tidus in 2010, and he also placed higher than Lightning and Zidane in the x-stats. Do you take Shulk over any of those characters?</quote> I would take Shulk over Zidane and probably Lightning, Tidus is the only really questionable one. Sub-Zero is another fighting game character, and Shulk sort of became a fighting game character when he got into Smash, plus he has Xenoblade. I'm betting pretty heavily against fighting games in my bracket since I don't think they've had any real traction since either UMvC 3 or Street Fighter X Tekken. I'm betting that they haven't really picked up many new players and most of the old ones have more so then not moved on. Mortal Kombat itself at best last mattered at all with X, and that was around 3 and half years ago, and I think there was really only some hype around it during its initial release.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 10/06/18 9:53:04 PM #73:	Evillordexdeath posted... Battle 2: (8) Chloe Price vs. (9) Lightning Lightning is weak in these things. She lost to Donkey Kong with a strong advantage from the format. She's a hated character from a hated game. Allen decided to place her against another often-hated female character. For those who don't know (and I can't blame you,) Chloe is the love interest from Life is Strange. A lot of people describe her in terms I can't repeat here. Lightning wins with 60%. This has gotta be the most unfair assessment of Chloe I've ever seen. First off all, calling her "the love interest" of the game is misleading because that's like, 10% of her actual role in the store ~~not to mention that pursuing her, while almost certainly canon, is optional~~, and second, yeah she's admittedly polarizing but for every person who thinks she's a shit character there are two people who think she's one of the best characters ever. Not that I think she'll win. She'll probably get somewhere around 41%. But that's a pretty bad way to describe her to those not in the know. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:910088308] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evillordexdeath posted...</cite> <quote>Battle 2: (8) Chloe Price vs. (9) Lightning Lightning is weak in these things. She lost to Donkey Kong with a strong advantage from the format. She's a hated character from a hated game. Allen decided to place her against another often-hated female character. For those who don't know (and I can't blame you,) Chloe is the love interest from Life is Strange. A lot of people describe her in terms I can't repeat here. Lightning wins with 60%.</quote> This has gotta be the most unfair assessment of Chloe I've ever seen. First off all, calling her "the love interest" of the game is misleading because that's like, 10% of her actual role in the store not to mention that pursuing her, while almost certainly canon, is optional, and second, yeah she's admittedly polarizing but for every person who thinks she's a shit character there are two people who think she's one of the best characters ever. Not that I think she'll win. She'll probably get somewhere around 41%. But that's a pretty bad way to describe her to those not in the know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/06/18 10:23:10 PM #74:	I think that, if Ren is equal or only slightly stronger when compared to Yu, Claire should be the favorite. Zidane > Shulk would be a super easy pick to me, and Lightning > Shulk only slightly less so. Based on the previous performances of characters like Lucas, Dedede, and Pit, Smash doesn't really redeem people that much. Underleveled This has gotta be the most unfair assessment of Chloe I've ever seen. Not that I think she'll win. She'll probably get somewhere around 41%. But that's a pretty bad way to describe her to those not in the know. Yeah, some of my writeups are more meant to be comedic than factual. Chloe's is one, and Sans Undertale's is another. I know he's not the real protagonist and that games 2015 was not really the most recent contest. But it's funnier to call him that. It's also funnier to insist on calling him Sans Undertale. In terms of substance, I think that Clementine is the best metric we have for Chloe. I think Chloe will be weaker than Clem. They're from similar games, but Walking Dead was a slightly bigger deal and Clementine is a lot less polarizing. Therefore, I think the percentage I gave Lightning was low, if anything. Chloe might even be the last character I pick to round out my bottom 5. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910089739] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I think that, if Ren is equal or only slightly stronger when compared to Yu, Claire should be the favorite. Zidane > Shulk would be a super easy pick to me, and Lightning > Shulk only slightly less so. Based on the previous performances of characters like Lucas, Dedede, and Pit, Smash doesn't really redeem people that much. <cite>Underleveled</cite> <quote> This has gotta be the most unfair assessment of Chloe I've ever seen. Not that I think she'll win. She'll probably get somewhere around 41%. But that's a pretty bad way to describe her to those not in the know.</quote> Yeah, some of my writeups are more meant to be comedic than factual. Chloe's is one, and Sans Undertale's is another. I know he's not the real protagonist and that games 2015 was not really the most recent contest. But it's funnier to call him that. It's also funnier to insist on calling him Sans Undertale. In terms of substance, I think that Clementine is the best metric we have for Chloe. I think Chloe will be weaker than Clem. They're from similar games, but Walking Dead was a slightly bigger deal and Clementine is a lot less polarizing. Therefore, I think the percentage I gave Lightning was low, if anything. Chloe might even be the last character I pick to round out my bottom 5.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/07/18 12:53:05 AM #75:	Battle 57: (1) Sephiroth vs (16) Albert Wesker Estuans interius ira vehementi Estuans interius ira vehementi Sephiroth ... wins with 75% Battle 58: (8) Richter Belmont vs (9) Captain Falcon Richter is only in the contest because of Smash. Unluckily for him, he's up against the king of only being in the contest because of Smash. Captain Falcon wins with 65% Battle 59: (5) Amaterasu vs (12) Draven Ammy is surprisingly strong. Draven, meanwhile, was horrifically weak before he received his rally. I don't think it will happen again, especially since r/league wants nothing to do with this contest ever again. Draven will be a little less pathetic because of people remembering his victory last time, though. Ammy wins with 70% Battle 60: (4) Lara Croft vs (13) Metal Man F R E E P O I N T S Lara wins with 80% Battle 61: (3) Ryu vs. (14) Lloyd Irving Lloyd will get creamed. Fox creamed him before. At least he'll still be stronger than Velvet. Ryu wins with 70% Battle 62: (6) Commander Shepard vs (11) King K. Rool Lots of free points in this division. Shepard wins with 70% Battle 63: (7) Ellie vs (10) KOS-MOS Ellie might be a little bit stronger than Elizabeth. That should put her around Crash-tier. KOS-MOS might well be weaker now than she was in the past, but she won't be that bad, I don't think. You could pick a worse upset. KOS-MOS wins with 60% Battle 64: (2) Aqua vs (15) Quiet There is even an outside possibility of Quiet winning this match, creating our fourth 15 > 2 "upset" of the contest. I wouldn't count on it, though. The Metal Gear franchise's mediocre BGE 2015 performance and Quiet's relatively minor status in her game don't bode that well for her. Aqua wins with 55% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910097116] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Battle 57: (1) Sephiroth vs (16) Albert Wesker Estuans interius ira vehementi Estuans interius ira vehementi Sephiroth ... wins with 75% Battle 58: (8) Richter Belmont vs (9) Captain Falcon Richter is only in the contest because of Smash. Unluckily for him, he's up against the king of only being in the contest because of Smash. Captain Falcon wins with 65% Battle 59: (5) Amaterasu vs (12) Draven Ammy is surprisingly strong. Draven, meanwhile, was horrifically weak before he received his rally. I don't think it will happen again, especially since r/league wants nothing to do with this contest ever again. Draven will be a little less pathetic because of people remembering his victory last time, though. Ammy wins with 70% Battle 60: (4) Lara Croft vs (13) Metal Man F R E E P O I N T S Lara wins with 80% Battle 61: (3) Ryu vs. (14) Lloyd Irving Lloyd will get creamed. Fox creamed him before. At least he'll still be stronger than Velvet. Ryu wins with 70% Battle 62: (6) Commander Shepard vs (11) King K. Rool Lots of free points in this division. Shepard wins with 70% Battle 63: (7) Ellie vs (10) KOS-MOS Ellie might be a little bit stronger than Elizabeth. That should put her around Crash-tier. KOS-MOS might well be weaker now than she was in the past, but she won't be that bad, I don't think. You could pick a worse upset. KOS-MOS wins with 60% Battle 64: (2) Aqua vs (15) Quiet There is even an outside possibility of Quiet winning this match, creating our fourth 15 > 2 "upset" of the contest. I wouldn't count on it, though. The Metal Gear franchise's mediocre BGE 2015 performance and Quiet's relatively minor status in her game don't bode that well for her. Aqua wins with 55% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/08/18 8:56:14 PM #76:	Now we're moving into round 2. Needless to say, from here on there's some variation in the bracket. I might not discuss a match that you think will happen. I will try to cover variations besides the ones I predict, but feel free to post if you think I've missed a valid one. Division 1 Dante, Ganondorf, Vivi, and Leon win their matches easily, regardless of who they're up against. The closest thing to a debatable match here is Leon/Tidus, which would still be considered an easy call any year that it was run. The only way there's any variance here is if you think Chloe can get rallied - and keep in mind that LiS itself failed to do so on the year of its release. Division 2 Zero, Yoshi, and Pikachu should have easy matchups. Pokemon characters probably aren't as strong as you think they are, but Pikachu should still be a good step ahead of Kratos. Battle 70: (5) Noctis Lucis Caelum vs (13) Wario In all likelihood, there exists a strength gap between Master Hand and Wario, and Wario occupies the high end. The question is whether Noctis falls into that gap. He could be outside it on either end, for all we know. I suppose the best metric we have for him is Lightning, but even that doesn't feel particularly helpful because Final Fantasy games vary so much between installments, in terms of people's perceptions. To my knowledge Noctis isn't as commonly-hated a character as Lightning, which should help him somewhat, but he's also further removed from Square's glory days. People who were turned away by FFXII or XIII might never even have given his game a chance. I'm not inclined to put much faith in Noctis, but at the same time I think very little of Wario's strength in these. For now, I'll say that Noctis wins with 50.5% If he does score onl 52 on Master Hand, like I predicted before, then he's probably in trouble here. Needless to say, if Monika is here, she stomps. This will be the last time I mention rally characters. If you have one winning its first round match, with the possible exception of D.Va, you should take it to the end of the contest in every case. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910199742] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Now we're moving into round 2. Needless to say, from here on there's some variation in the bracket. I might not discuss a match that you think will happen. I will try to cover variations besides the ones I predict, but feel free to post if you think I've missed a valid one. Division 1 Dante, Ganondorf, Vivi, and Leon win their matches easily, regardless of who they're up against. The closest thing to a debatable match here is Leon/Tidus, which would still be considered an easy call any year that it was run. The only way there's any variance here is if you think Chloe can get rallied - and keep in mind that LiS itself failed to do so on the year of its release. Division 2 Zero, Yoshi, and Pikachu should have easy matchups. Pokemon characters probably aren't as strong as you think they are, but Pikachu should still be a good step ahead of Kratos. Battle 70: (5) Noctis Lucis Caelum vs (13) Wario In all likelihood, there exists a strength gap between Master Hand and Wario, and Wario occupies the high end. The question is whether Noctis falls into that gap. He could be outside it on either end, for all we know. I suppose the best metric we have for him is Lightning, but even that doesn't feel particularly helpful because Final Fantasy games vary so much between installments, in terms of people's perceptions. To my knowledge Noctis isn't as commonly-hated a character as Lightning, which should help him somewhat, but he's also further removed from Square's glory days. People who were turned away by FFXII or XIII might never even have given his game a chance. I'm not inclined to put much faith in Noctis, but at the same time I think very little of Wario's strength in these. For now, I'll say that Noctis wins with 50.5% If he does score onl 52 on Master Hand, like I predicted before, then he's probably in trouble here. Needless to say, if Monika is here, she stomps. This will be the last time I mention rally characters. If you have one winning its first round match, with the possible exception of D.Va, you should take it to the end of the contest in every case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 10/08/18 10:24:05 PM #77:	Evillordexdeath posted... Now we're moving into round 2. Needless to say, from here on there's some variation in the bracket. I might not discuss a match that you think will happen. I will try to cover variations besides the ones I predict, but feel free to post if you think I've missed a valid one. Division 1 Dante, Ganondorf, Vivi, and Leon win their matches easily, regardless of who they're up against. The closest thing to a debatable match here is Leon/Tidus, which would still be considered an easy call any year that it was run. The only way there's any variance here is if you think Chloe can get rallied - and keep in mind that LiS itself failed to do so on the year of its release. Division 2 Zero, Yoshi, and Pikachu should have easy matchups. Pokemon characters probably aren't as strong as you think they are, but Pikachu should still be a good step ahead of Kratos. Battle 70: (5) Noctis Lucis Caelum vs (13) Wario In all likelihood, there exists a strength gap between Master Hand and Wario, and Wario occupies the high end. The question is whether Noctis falls into that gap. He could be outside it on either end, for all we know. I suppose the best metric we have for him is Lightning, but even that doesn't feel particularly helpful because Final Fantasy games vary so much between installments, in terms of people's perceptions. To my knowledge Noctis isn't as commonly-hated a character as Lightning, which should help him somewhat, but he's also further removed from Square's glory days. People who were turned away by FFXII or XIII might never even have given his game a chance. I'm not inclined to put much faith in Noctis, but at the same time I think very little of Wario's strength in these. For now, I'll say that Noctis wins with 50.5% If he does score onl 52 on Master Hand, like I predicted before, then he's probably in trouble here. Needless to say, if Monika is here, she stomps. This will be the last time I mention rally characters. If you have one winning its first round match, with the possible exception of D.Va, you should take it to the end of the contest in every case. But what if you expect multiple rallies? I dont think its impossible for there to be merely one. --- Still hoping. <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:910204861] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evillordexdeath posted...</cite> <quote>Now we're moving into round 2. Needless to say, from here on there's some variation in the bracket. I might not discuss a match that you think will happen. I will try to cover variations besides the ones I predict, but feel free to post if you think I've missed a valid one. Division 1 Dante, Ganondorf, Vivi, and Leon win their matches easily, regardless of who they're up against. The closest thing to a debatable match here is Leon/Tidus, which would still be considered an easy call any year that it was run. The only way there's any variance here is if you think Chloe can get rallied - and keep in mind that LiS itself failed to do so on the year of its release. Division 2 Zero, Yoshi, and Pikachu should have easy matchups. Pokemon characters probably aren't as strong as you think they are, but Pikachu should still be a good step ahead of Kratos. Battle 70: (5) Noctis Lucis Caelum vs (13) Wario In all likelihood, there exists a strength gap between Master Hand and Wario, and Wario occupies the high end. The question is whether Noctis falls into that gap. He could be outside it on either end, for all we know. I suppose the best metric we have for him is Lightning, but even that doesn't feel particularly helpful because Final Fantasy games vary so much between installments, in terms of people's perceptions. To my knowledge Noctis isn't as commonly-hated a character as Lightning, which should help him somewhat, but he's also further removed from Square's glory days. People who were turned away by FFXII or XIII might never even have given his game a chance. I'm not inclined to put much faith in Noctis, but at the same time I think very little of Wario's strength in these. For now, I'll say that Noctis wins with 50.5% If he does score onl 52 on Master Hand, like I predicted before, then he's probably in trouble here. Needless to say, if Monika is here, she stomps. This will be the last time I mention rally characters. If you have one winning its first round match, with the possible exception of D.Va, you should take it to the end of the contest in every case.</quote> But what if you expect multiple rallies? I dont think its impossible for there to be merely one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/08/18 10:29:41 PM #78:	Sure, that's possible. They would each mow down everything in their path until they met one another. After that, you'd have to guess which one is stronger. Characters from mainstream competitive games (like D.Va and Draven) have the highest overall rally potential. With Melee vs. Undertale, we saw that a game which has been rallying for longer has an advantage - Melee didn't start rallying until round 4, when it needed that help to beat Chrono Trigger. That might have a slight impact on D.Va since she could potentially beat Aloy without needing to rally. Monika might have a slight advantage over Sans because her game is younger and hasn't won before. All of those reasons are highly speculative, of course. There will be a lot of luck involved in predicting which rallies would win against others, just like there is for predicting which rallies will come to fruition in the first place. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910205167] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Sure, that's possible. They would each mow down everything in their path until they met one another. After that, you'd have to guess which one is stronger. Characters from mainstream competitive games (like D.Va and Draven) have the highest overall rally potential. With Melee vs. Undertale, we saw that a game which has been rallying for longer has an advantage - Melee didn't start rallying until round 4, when it needed that help to beat Chrono Trigger. That might have a slight impact on D.Va since she could potentially beat Aloy without needing to rally. Monika might have a slight advantage over Sans because her game is younger and hasn't won before. All of those reasons are highly speculative, of course. There will be a lot of luck involved in predicting which rallies would win against others, just like there is for predicting which rallies will come to fruition in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/08/18 11:25:22 PM #79:	Division 3 Battle 73: (1) Sora vs. (9) Pokemon Trainer Red In my estimation, we need to grant Red two generous assumptions for him to win here: Pokemon needs to be as strong as it was in 2013, and KHIII hype can't have helped Sora much. The latter being the case wouldn't be too shocking, but I really don't expect the former. I've probably cited 2013 too often myself. It was a year with a bad format and a lot of outside influence directed at causing chaos. Square characters like Cloud and Sora himself performed badly, but then Vivi beat Mario. Pokemon advanced very deep into the contest - but Charizard lost to Mega Man with Zero in the poll. If it were Pikachu here instead, I can see him winning, but I think Sora should be the favorite over Red. Sora wins with 55% Battle 75: (3) Alucard vs. (6) Yuna As odd as it may sound, Yuna is just not Captain Falcon. The Captain has outperformed her significantly in the last two contests - and so has Alucard. Betting against Alucard in these contests has a long history of backfiring. In fact, that history goes all the way back to the first character battle, when people expected him to lose to Tails. You would have to bank on him really falling off a cliff here for her to win, and for that to happen despite SotN's good performance (where people expected Banjo-Kazooie might be able to beat it) in 2015 and the site's apparent demographic shift toward older audiences. Alucard wins with 58% This division's other two matches are easy enough. Big Boss and the Kefka/L-Block winner should have no difficulty. Division 4 Battle 77: (1) 2B vs (9) Ness Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't think 2B will be up to much. Ness is a low midcarder at best, but his game got a surprising amount of respect in 2015 and he's been around for ages, plus he has a relatively dedicated fandom to draw upon (although maybe the same can be said for 2B, I don't really know.) Ness wins with 53% Battle 78: (12) Charizard vs (4) Bowser Remember that a new Pokemon game was released on match day last time around. Remember that Charizard was riding a bandwagon and had only won 55-45 against Kratos two rounds before. And remember that Charizard lost to Mega Man despite Zero being in the match, during a year of absolute Pokemon dominance. This match is a trap. Bowser with with 60% Battle 79: (3) Phoenix Wright vs (6) Ike Phoenix being the favorite here is an example of people extending trends from previous years without confirmation that they've continued - and it might be that it's happening because we love Phoenix so much. Ike is above him in the X-stats for both 2010 and, for what little it's worth, 2013, though Phoenix is far ahead of Ike in the unadjusted 2013 stats, which are worth even less. But it's not as though it's illogical to extend those trends - it's just opening yourself up to a risk that they'll mislead you. Ike feels like a solid 2-point upset pick that could get you ahead of a lot of the board. He's also had some reason to boost since then - he's had Heroes, the Waifu Emblem strain of FE is more popular than the previous installments and references him, he's always in Smash, and there was even that FE/Dynasty Warriors game. I think I'll pull the trigger on it, unless someone else has a good reason to correct me. Ike wins with 51% Battle 80: (10) Isaac vs. (2) Kirby Back to free points. Kirby wins with 70% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910208345] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Division 3 Battle 73: (1) Sora vs. (9) Pokemon Trainer Red In my estimation, we need to grant Red two generous assumptions for him to win here: Pokemon needs to be as strong as it was in 2013, and KHIII hype can't have helped Sora much. The latter being the case wouldn't be too shocking, but I really don't expect the former. I've probably cited 2013 too often myself. It was a year with a bad format and a lot of outside influence directed at causing chaos. Square characters like Cloud and Sora himself performed badly, but then Vivi beat Mario. Pokemon advanced very deep into the contest - but Charizard lost to Mega Man with Zero in the poll. If it were Pikachu here instead, I can see him winning, but I think Sora should be the favorite over Red. Sora wins with 55% Battle 75: (3) Alucard vs. (6) Yuna As odd as it may sound, Yuna is just not Captain Falcon. The Captain has outperformed her significantly in the last two contests - and so has Alucard. Betting against Alucard in these contests has a long history of backfiring. In fact, that history goes all the way back to the first character battle, when people expected him to lose to Tails. You would have to bank on him really falling off a cliff here for her to win, and for that to happen despite SotN's good performance (where people expected Banjo-Kazooie might be able to beat it) in 2015 and the site's apparent demographic shift toward older audiences. Alucard wins with 58% This division's other two matches are easy enough. Big Boss and the Kefka/L-Block winner should have no difficulty. Division 4 Battle 77: (1) 2B vs (9) Ness Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't think 2B will be up to much. Ness is a low midcarder at best, but his game got a surprising amount of respect in 2015 and he's been around for ages, plus he has a relatively dedicated fandom to draw upon (although maybe the same can be said for 2B, I don't really know.) Ness wins with 53% Battle 78: (12) Charizard vs (4) Bowser Remember that a new Pokemon game was released on match day last time around. Remember that Charizard was riding a bandwagon and had only won 55-45 against Kratos two rounds before. And remember that Charizard lost to Mega Man despite Zero being in the match, during a year of absolute Pokemon dominance. This match is a trap. Bowser with with 60% Battle 79: (3) Phoenix Wright vs (6) Ike Phoenix being the favorite here is an example of people extending trends from previous years without confirmation that they've continued - and it might be that it's happening because we love Phoenix so much. Ike is above him in the X-stats for both 2010 and, for what little it's worth, 2013, though Phoenix is far ahead of Ike in the unadjusted 2013 stats, which are worth even less. But it's not as though it's illogical to extend those trends - it's just opening yourself up to a risk that they'll mislead you. Ike feels like a solid 2-point upset pick that could get you ahead of a lot of the board. He's also had some reason to boost since then - he's had Heroes, the Waifu Emblem strain of FE is more popular than the previous installments and references him, he's always in Smash, and there was even that FE/Dynasty Warriors game. I think I'll pull the trigger on it, unless someone else has a good reason to correct me. Ike wins with 51% Battle 80: (10) Isaac vs. (2) Kirby Back to free points. Kirby wins with 70%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 10/08/18 11:44:03 PM #80:	Evillordexdeath posted... Hello Board 8. I'm Evildex. I've been a lurker on this board for years now. I'll be posting a short analysis of each match in this topic, with an interval of time between each post, during which I hope some of you will provide your own thoughts. It should end up being similar to the topic currently being run by Leonhart4 (who is much more of a contest expert than I am.) Let's get right into it. Battle 1: (1) Dante vs. (16) Cuphead Nothing to discuss here. Dante wins with 70%. Battle 2: (8) Chloe Price vs. (9) Lightning Lightning is weak in these things. She lost to Donkey Kong with a strong advantage from the format. She's a hated character from a hated game. Allen decided to place her against another often-hated female character. For those who don't know (and I can't blame you,) Chloe is the love interest from Life is Strange. A lot of people describe her in terms I can't repeat here. Lightning wins with 60%. Battle 3: (5) Spyro the Dragon vs. (12) Chun-Li I can see some people picking Spyro, but based on the respective histories of the two characters, Chun-Li should take it fairly easily. She once beat Lara Croft, while Spyro's only victory is against Clementine and Reyn. Chun-Li wins with 65% I think skylanders gives him a significant boost --- https://imgur.com/iuSjE6B <cite>ScareChan posted [p:910209193] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evillordexdeath posted...</cite> <quote>Hello Board 8. I'm Evildex. I've been a lurker on this board for years now. I'll be posting a short analysis of each match in this topic, with an interval of time between each post, during which I hope some of you will provide your own thoughts. It should end up being similar to the topic currently being run by Leonhart4 (who is much more of a contest expert than I am.) Let's get right into it. Battle 1: (1) Dante vs. (16) Cuphead Nothing to discuss here. Dante wins with 70%. Battle 2: (8) Chloe Price vs. (9) Lightning Lightning is weak in these things. She lost to Donkey Kong with a strong advantage from the format. She's a hated character from a hated game. Allen decided to place her against another often-hated female character. For those who don't know (and I can't blame you,) Chloe is the love interest from Life is Strange. A lot of people describe her in terms I can't repeat here. Lightning wins with 60%. Battle 3: (5) Spyro the Dragon vs. (12) Chun-Li I can see some people picking Spyro, but based on the respective histories of the two characters, Chun-Li should take it fairly easily. She once beat Lara Croft, while Spyro's only victory is against Clementine and Reyn. Chun-Li wins with 65% </quote> I think skylanders gives him a significant boost</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/08/18 11:56:29 PM #81:	As much as I hate to cite it again, Skylanders was out in 2013, which probably provides us with the best idea of how it will help Spyro. And he did get closer to Morrigan that year than he did in 2002, but that's the size of what it did: it got him a little bit closer to her. He still lost. I don't think that it's enough to make up the difference between him and Chun-Li. Skylanders is just about the furthest thing from a game you would expect to be popular on GameFAQs. I really think that Chun-Li > Spyro is a super easy call and that far too much has been made of it here. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910209833] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>As much as I hate to cite it again, Skylanders was out in 2013, which probably provides us with the best idea of how it will help Spyro. And he did get closer to Morrigan that year than he did in 2002, but that's the size of what it did: it got him a little bit closer to her. He still lost. I don't think that it's enough to make up the difference between him and Chun-Li. Skylanders is just about the furthest thing from a game you would expect to be popular on GameFAQs. I really think that Chun-Li > Spyro is a super easy call and that far too much has been made of it here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 10/09/18 12:00:22 AM #82:	Well you said it yourself that was 2013 So 10 year olds are now 15 year olds Who remember how much fun they had with skylanders --- https://imgur.com/iuSjE6B <cite>ScareChan posted [p:910210012] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Well you said it yourself that was 2013 So 10 year olds are now 15 year olds Who remember how much fun they had with skylanders</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scaryice 10/09/18 12:24:16 AM #83:	I don't think Skylanders matters much. But there is a lot of Playstation nostalgia out there, and the remasters can only help. I think Spyro would beat Chun Li pretty easily on Reddit. I don't know if Spyro can win here, but it should be pretty close. Crash/Spyro should both be stronger this year. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, the new Guru champ! Not that I'm bitter or anything... <cite>scaryice posted [p:910211095] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Skylanders matters much. But there is a lot of Playstation nostalgia out there, and the remasters can only help. I think Spyro would beat Chun Li pretty easily on Reddit. I don't know if Spyro can win here, but it should be pretty close. Crash/Spyro should both be stronger this year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/09/18 6:16:48 AM #84:	Division 5 Squall, Zelda, Fox/Jill, and Aeris all win with ease. Division 6 Battle 85: (1) Geralt vs. (8) Ryu Hayabusa This one is all about guessing how strong Geralt will be. I think he's likely to be the best of the newcomers, but he's facing off against a midcarder who has beaten the likes of Jill Valentine in the past. That's not necessarily a barrier he can't naturally overcome, though. It's hard to say for sure. Hayabusa might have decayed over time as well. Geralt wins with 52% Battle 86: (12) Pac-Man vs. (13) Riku Not too hard. Riku consistently out-performs Pac-Man and ranks hire in the X-Stats. What's more, he's been in these contests much more often than Pac-Man ever since his first appearance in 2005 - he hasn't missed a contest since, while Pac-Man didn't make it into 2006 or 2010. Thus, if Bayonetta can beat him, she should be able to beat Pac-Man as well. I don't think that Sans Undertale has a chance on the basis of his natural GameFAQs strength. Riku wins with 60% Battle 87: (3) Auron vs (11) Vincent Valentine If it weren't for 2013, this match would be incredibly up in the air. People are probably overestimating Auron's chances, because 2013 was a strange year. That being said, Vincent doesn't suddenly become a lock if we choose to ignore that contest. For instance, they tend to be within only a few spots of one another in the X-Stats. Sometimes, Auron is the one ahead. Historically, these are both very powerful characters and whoever wins this match should be the favorite to take the division, so choosing the right one is necessary for the sake of winning the contest. I don't really believe that Vincent has suddenly declined far below other FF7 characters with whom he used to be equal. That's probably reading too much into individual results which could very well be anomalies. Auron has been a little more consistent and shouldn't be as easy to sabotage with a pic, although I doubt Allen will let that happen to Vincent again. I really think it's a tossup. I'm inclined to pick Vincent just because it will put me ahead of a lot of other Board 8 posters if it pans out. Vincent wins with 50.1% Battle 88: (10) Sub-Zero vs. (15) Claire Redfield Sub-Zero should win against either opponent without much trouble, unless Ren is somehow far stronger than Yu. Needless to say, if Shulk really can beat Sub-Zero, he should win his second match with ease. I really don't think that will pan out, though, based on how weak he was before and Smash not appearing to help low-ranking characters that much. Sub-Zero wins with 60% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910219082] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Division 5 Squall, Zelda, Fox/Jill, and Aeris all win with ease. Division 6 Battle 85: (1) Geralt vs. (8) Ryu Hayabusa This one is all about guessing how strong Geralt will be. I think he's likely to be the best of the newcomers, but he's facing off against a midcarder who has beaten the likes of Jill Valentine in the past. That's not necessarily a barrier he can't naturally overcome, though. It's hard to say for sure. Hayabusa might have decayed over time as well. Geralt wins with 52% Battle 86: (12) Pac-Man vs. (13) Riku Not too hard. Riku consistently out-performs Pac-Man and ranks hire in the X-Stats. What's more, he's been in these contests much more often than Pac-Man ever since his first appearance in 2005 - he hasn't missed a contest since, while Pac-Man didn't make it into 2006 or 2010. Thus, if Bayonetta can beat him, she should be able to beat Pac-Man as well. I don't think that Sans Undertale has a chance on the basis of his natural GameFAQs strength. Riku wins with 60% Battle 87: (3) Auron vs (11) Vincent Valentine If it weren't for 2013, this match would be incredibly up in the air. People are probably overestimating Auron's chances, because 2013 was a strange year. That being said, Vincent doesn't suddenly become a lock if we choose to ignore that contest. For instance, they tend to be within only a few spots of one another in the X-Stats. Sometimes, Auron is the one ahead. Historically, these are both very powerful characters and whoever wins this match should be the favorite to take the division, so choosing the right one is necessary for the sake of winning the contest. I don't really believe that Vincent has suddenly declined far below other FF7 characters with whom he used to be equal. That's probably reading too much into individual results which could very well be anomalies. Auron has been a little more consistent and shouldn't be as easy to sabotage with a pic, although I doubt Allen will let that happen to Vincent again. I really think it's a tossup. I'm inclined to pick Vincent just because it will put me ahead of a lot of other Board 8 posters if it pans out. Vincent wins with 50.1% Battle 88: (10) Sub-Zero vs. (15) Claire Redfield Sub-Zero should win against either opponent without much trouble, unless Ren is somehow far stronger than Yu. Needless to say, if Shulk really can beat Sub-Zero, he should win his second match with ease. I really don't think that will pan out, though, based on how weak he was before and Smash not appearing to help low-ranking characters that much. Sub-Zero wins with 60%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord Bob Bree 10/09/18 8:37:24 AM #85:	Evillordexdeath posted... Sure, that's possible. They would each mow down everything in their path until they met one another. After that, you'd have to guess which one is stronger. Characters from mainstream competitive games (like D.Va and Draven) have the highest overall rally potential. With Melee vs. Undertale, we saw that a game which has been rallying for longer has an advantage - Melee didn't start rallying until round 4, when it needed that help to beat Chrono Trigger. That might have a slight impact on D.Va since she could potentially beat Aloy without needing to rally. Monika might have a slight advantage over Sans because her game is younger and hasn't won before. All of those reasons are highly speculative, of course. There will be a lot of luck involved in predicting which rallies would win against others, just like there is for predicting which rallies will come to fruition in the first place. For what it's worth I would lean towards Monica over D.Va. Despite the smaller fanbase, she probably has a more dedicated fanbase, with extra meme potential. Not sure how Sans would compare at this point, while Geralt is likely the weakest of the four due to not hitting size, dedication, or humor to the same extent as the rest. --- GameFlux: Unofficial GameFAQs board browser <cite>Lord Bob Bree posted [p:910222032] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evillordexdeath posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, that's possible. They would each mow down everything in their path until they met one another. After that, you'd have to guess which one is stronger. Characters from mainstream competitive games (like D.Va and Draven) have the highest overall rally potential. With Melee vs. Undertale, we saw that a game which has been rallying for longer has an advantage - Melee didn't start rallying until round 4, when it needed that help to beat Chrono Trigger. That might have a slight impact on D.Va since she could potentially beat Aloy without needing to rally. Monika might have a slight advantage over Sans because her game is younger and hasn't won before. All of those reasons are highly speculative, of course. There will be a lot of luck involved in predicting which rallies would win against others, just like there is for predicting which rallies will come to fruition in the first place.</quote> For what it's worth I would lean towards Monica over D.Va. Despite the smaller fanbase, she probably has a more dedicated fanbase, with extra meme potential. Not sure how Sans would compare at this point, while Geralt is likely the weakest of the four due to not hitting size, dedication, or humor to the same extent as the rest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/09/18 8:41:10 AM #86:	Did The Witcher 3 catch a rally in the games contest? I don't remember it being particularly impressive - losing to the once-controversial MGS2 in a year where the MGS games consistently disappointed. Since direct extrapolation from last character battle has Ryu Hayabusa beating Altair and Lara Croft, I figured that would be a good basis for Hayabusa beating a popular "new" character like Geralt. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910222132] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Did The Witcher 3 catch a rally in the games contest? I don't remember it being particularly impressive - losing to the once-controversial MGS2 in a year where the MGS games consistently disappointed. Since direct extrapolation from last character battle has Ryu Hayabusa beating Altair and Lara Croft, I figured that would be a good basis for Hayabusa beating a popular "new" character like Geralt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/09/18 8:57:07 PM #87:	I don't think Witcher 3 gained a rally, no. People have discussed the possibility because CDPR are fairly active with their community online, I believe. Hayabusa > Geralt is completely reasonable. I had it in my bracket at one point and I may even switch back. There's a lot of guesswork involved. Kefka's 3-way performance was pretty weird, so 2013 Hayabusa extrapolations might not be the most reliable, though who knows. Geralt could easily be stronger than Altair was that year too, for all we know. Division 7 Luigi and MMX win easily, and Drake should have no trouble either. Chief is very weak now. Battle 91: (3) Tifa Lockhart vs (11) Metwo Don't trust Metwo's 2013 percentages. They're clearly inflated by a wide variety of factors, including the attempted counter-rally to take down Draven with him. He will not be nearly that strong with the return to 1v1. One might even call him a fraud. Tifa was comparable to Vincent at his height. She once went toe-to-toe with Samus, and she even held up very well in 2013 - also against Samus. The recently-released adjusted stats even put her in the top 10, above Cloud. I really don't think that she's as strong as he is, but taking down Mewtwo shouldn't be too much to ask. Tifa wins with 58% Division 8 Sephiroth and Ryu should have no trouble. Ammy's win should be easy enough as well. Lara has never been on the same level. Ammy is something of a deceptive high-midcarder. Battle 96: KOS-MOS vs Aqua Another possibly debatable match with a relatively-strong midcarder. I would guess that Axel, rather than Sora or Riku, is the best metric for Aqua's strength. She will most likely suffer from being in a PSP "Spin-off," even if BBS' status has been elevated within the series and it's received multiple re-releases. She's also only one of three protagonists in her first game, which tends to hurt characters. KOS-MOS is not that great either and has only grown weaker over time, so it's a tough call. KHIII hype will do Aqua some favors, since she's prominent in some of the trailers and she doesn't have to reach a terribly high benchmark to be able to win here, but remember that her seed is essentially meaningless because she was a guru nom. Though perhaps it isn't completely so, since she did beat out Sully there. I'm inclined to give KH a lot of credit now, and will say that Aqua wins with 50.5% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910258710] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Witcher 3 gained a rally, no. People have discussed the possibility because CDPR are fairly active with their community online, I believe. Hayabusa > Geralt is completely reasonable. I had it in my bracket at one point and I may even switch back. There's a lot of guesswork involved. Kefka's 3-way performance was pretty weird, so 2013 Hayabusa extrapolations might not be the most reliable, though who knows. Geralt could easily be stronger than Altair was that year too, for all we know. Division 7 Luigi and MMX win easily, and Drake should have no trouble either. Chief is very weak now. Battle 91: (3) Tifa Lockhart vs (11) Metwo Don't trust Metwo's 2013 percentages. They're clearly inflated by a wide variety of factors, including the attempted counter-rally to take down Draven with him. He will not be nearly that strong with the return to 1v1. One might even call him a fraud. Tifa was comparable to Vincent at his height. She once went toe-to-toe with Samus, and she even held up very well in 2013 - also against Samus. The recently-released adjusted stats even put her in the top 10, above Cloud. I really don't think that she's as strong as he is, but taking down Mewtwo shouldn't be too much to ask. Tifa wins with 58% Division 8 Sephiroth and Ryu should have no trouble. Ammy's win should be easy enough as well. Lara has never been on the same level. Ammy is something of a deceptive high-midcarder. Battle 96: KOS-MOS vs Aqua Another possibly debatable match with a relatively-strong midcarder. I would guess that Axel, rather than Sora or Riku, is the best metric for Aqua's strength. She will most likely suffer from being in a PSP "Spin-off," even if BBS' status has been elevated within the series and it's received multiple re-releases. She's also only one of three protagonists in her first game, which tends to hurt characters. KOS-MOS is not that great either and has only grown weaker over time, so it's a tough call. KHIII hype will do Aqua some favors, since she's prominent in some of the trailers and she doesn't have to reach a terribly high benchmark to be able to win here, but remember that her seed is essentially meaningless because she was a guru nom. Though perhaps it isn't completely so, since she did beat out Sully there. I'm inclined to give KH a lot of credit now, and will say that Aqua wins with 50.5% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/10/18 5:06:16 AM #88:	I feel like giving Pokmon the benefit of the doubt in debatable matches, although Leon convinced me to change to Bowser beating Charizard. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910276589] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I feel like giving Pokmon the benefit of the doubt in debatable matches, although Leon convinced me to change to Bowser beating Charizard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
baubeta 10/10/18 2:55:50 PM #89:	Tag. You basically talked me out of Pokemon doing anything this contest. Don't you F me. --- Love, Bobeta <cite>baubeta posted [p:910299778] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Tag. You basically talked me out of Pokemon doing anything this contest. Don't you F me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/10/18 8:30:43 PM #90:	Round 3 Battle 97: (1) Dante vs (4) Ganondorf Both of these characters are obviously very powerful, but their precise strength is somewhat hard to gauge. Ganon isn't that high on the Nintendo totem pole, and a lot of his matches are hidden behind some kind of SFF. There's also the matter of a potential BotW boost. I think that will be a relatively small factor, particularly for Ganon, but it can be taken into account. For instance, Dante is well ahead of Ganon in 2010's raw X-Stats, but Ganon has a valid excuse: he lost to Sonic with his LttP sprite, and then Sonic got pulverized by Link. Everyone behind Sonic will look weaker than he really is because of that final performance. The stats on NGamer's site adjust for that, and they have these two characters right next to one another. Dante isn't as bad, but some things like the wide difference in his percentages on Ryu and to a lesser extent Leon look a little suspect. There's also the matter of his 2013 run. I think a lot of people will look at that and underestimate Dante as a result. I'm not even sure if it was a "DmC deboost." It might just be that Squirtle was going wild that year - something we have reason to believe based on Squirtle's victory over Cloud in the next round. Of course, if it was because of the reboot, Devil May Cry 5 should help nullify a lot of that loss, as I said before. I'm not sure that the stats help that much with this one. My initial inclination was to pick Ganon, and given how close they are in stats and history I'll stick with that. Ganondorf wins with 51% Battle 98: (3) Vivi vs (2) Leon Kennedy Vivi is riding high after his upset of Mario last time around, and I think that's another great example of how trusting 2013 can turn on you. He was the beneficiary of a rally in that match, as well as the obvious handicap Mario faced - being weighed down by Ganondorf. In my estimation, that performance says very little about Vivi's strength at all. This is a debatable match. Leon would probably be the favorite if it were run in 2010. They even have two direct matches from 2007. The second was unfair because Tidus was there with them, but in the first, alongside Ridley and Spyro, Leon was the winner. I think there's a perception that Vivi has trended upward over time, but his first match back in 2004 was a 56% victory over DK, and his first match in 2010 was... a 56% victory over DK. One advantage Vivi does have is that people will remember his upset last year and vote for him on that basis. It will probably give him a bit of a bracket advantage as well. That might be enough to secure him a small victory - looking at a year like 2010 indicates that he doesn't have too much ground to make up. But that's being somewhat selective, because other years show him further behind, and 2013 (where Vivi is far ahead) is the least reliable. Leon wins with 50.3% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910317990] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote> Round 3 Battle 97: (1) Dante vs (4) Ganondorf Both of these characters are obviously very powerful, but their precise strength is somewhat hard to gauge. Ganon isn't that high on the Nintendo totem pole, and a lot of his matches are hidden behind some kind of SFF. There's also the matter of a potential BotW boost. I think that will be a relatively small factor, particularly for Ganon, but it can be taken into account. For instance, Dante is well ahead of Ganon in 2010's raw X-Stats, but Ganon has a valid excuse: he lost to Sonic with his LttP sprite, and then Sonic got pulverized by Link. Everyone behind Sonic will look weaker than he really is because of that final performance. The stats on NGamer's site adjust for that, and they have these two characters right next to one another. Dante isn't as bad, but some things like the wide difference in his percentages on Ryu and to a lesser extent Leon look a little suspect. There's also the matter of his 2013 run. I think a lot of people will look at that and underestimate Dante as a result. I'm not even sure if it was a "DmC deboost." It might just be that Squirtle was going wild that year - something we have reason to believe based on Squirtle's victory over Cloud in the next round. Of course, if it was because of the reboot, Devil May Cry 5 should help nullify a lot of that loss, as I said before. I'm not sure that the stats help that much with this one. My initial inclination was to pick Ganon, and given how close they are in stats and history I'll stick with that. Ganondorf wins with 51% Battle 98: (3) Vivi vs (2) Leon Kennedy Vivi is riding high after his upset of Mario last time around, and I think that's another great example of how trusting 2013 can turn on you. He was the beneficiary of a rally in that match, as well as the obvious handicap Mario faced - being weighed down by Ganondorf. In my estimation, that performance says very little about Vivi's strength at all. This is a debatable match. Leon would probably be the favorite if it were run in 2010. They even have two direct matches from 2007. The second was unfair because Tidus was there with them, but in the first, alongside Ridley and Spyro, Leon was the winner. I think there's a perception that Vivi has trended upward over time, but his first match back in 2004 was a 56% victory over DK, and his first match in 2010 was... a 56% victory over DK. One advantage Vivi does have is that people will remember his upset last year and vote for him on that basis. It will probably give him a bit of a bracket advantage as well. That might be enough to secure him a small victory - looking at a year like 2010 indicates that he doesn't have too much ground to make up. But that's being somewhat selective, because other years show him further behind, and 2013 (where Vivi is far ahead) is the least reliable. Leon wins with 50.3%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/11/18 6:02:36 AM #91:	My justification for picking Vivi over Leon is that in addition to Vivi's run in 2013, Final Fantasy IX has flat-out increased in popularity (at least the game has in contest strength) over the past few years. I think much of the board would take FFIX over RE4 by now. But Leon > Vivi is still a good pick. Based on past contests Leon should probably be the favorite there. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910337298] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>My justification for picking Vivi over Leon is that in addition to Vivi's run in 2013, Final Fantasy IX has flat-out increased in popularity (at least the game has in contest strength) over the past few years. I think much of the board would take FFIX over RE4 by now. But Leon > Vivi is still a good pick. Based on past contests Leon should probably be the favorite there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/11/18 8:21:53 AM #92:	I think it's very up in the air too. I initially had Vivi in my bracket and even had him down while I was writing about the match here, but when I looked back over what I had said I realized that I had essentially spent the entire time writing reasons why Vivi should lose. I thought of the idea that FFIX tending to get better too, but I became a bit more skeptical of that after looking at Vivi's two DK matchups. Apart from 2013, that increase isn't very clear in his history, at least to me. Division 2 Battle 99: (1) Zero vs (5) Noctis Lucis Caelum Should be an easy win for Zero regardless of his opponent. Zero wins with 65% Battle 100: (3) Yoshi vs (7) Pikachu Of all the debatable matches involving Pokemon, this is the one where I'm most inclined to pick it to win. I think that the rat is the most popular character from Pokemon here. He's probably the best example of a character who grows stronger over time. As much as I like the idea that Parappa the Rapper is stronger than Shepard, something tells me that isn't the case. Yoshi would be ranked ahead in any year before 2010. Pikachu is probably overrated in 2010's stats, even after the adjustments, thanks to facing Snake during the sprite round, followed by Snake avenging Missingno and picking up a bandwagon against Cloud. Yoshi's value is probably wonky too due to Missingno. I don't really buy the idea that he was that close to Crono then. I've probably said enough about 2013, but if you need more convincing, note that Yoshi was behind Link that year and that makes it very difficult to get a read on him. I think there was a topic recently where the consensus was that Yoshi is easily weaker than Luigi or Bowser, but I'm not sure there's enough evidence behind that claim. The reason I initially picked Yoshi was because of the idea of the Nintendo hierarchy. It just didn't seem right to predict that a beloved Mario character like Yoshi (who always wins the 8-way Mario character polls here) to lose to a Pokemon, even Pikachu. We might see a case of the fabled rSFF here, but I think they're close to one another indirectly. It's a choice I've gone back and forth on, but I'll say that Yoshi wins with 52% Goodbye Pokemon. I would like to solicit opinions on the following matches: Noctis' path Sora vs Red Auron vs Vincent Dante vs Ganondorf <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910340226] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I think it's very up in the air too. I initially had Vivi in my bracket and even had him down while I was writing about the match here, but when I looked back over what I had said I realized that I had essentially spent the entire time writing reasons why Vivi should lose. I thought of the idea that FFIX tending to get better too, but I became a bit more skeptical of that after looking at Vivi's two DK matchups. Apart from 2013, that increase isn't very clear in his history, at least to me. Division 2 Battle 99: (1) Zero vs (5) Noctis Lucis Caelum Should be an easy win for Zero regardless of his opponent. Zero wins with 65% Battle 100: (3) Yoshi vs (7) Pikachu Of all the debatable matches involving Pokemon, this is the one where I'm most inclined to pick it to win. I think that the rat is the most popular character from Pokemon here. He's probably the best example of a character who grows stronger over time. As much as I like the idea that Parappa the Rapper is stronger than Shepard, something tells me that isn't the case. Yoshi would be ranked ahead in any year before 2010. Pikachu is probably overrated in 2010's stats, even after the adjustments, thanks to facing Snake during the sprite round, followed by Snake avenging Missingno and picking up a bandwagon against Cloud. Yoshi's value is probably wonky too due to Missingno. I don't really buy the idea that he was that close to Crono then. I've probably said enough about 2013, but if you need more convincing, note that Yoshi was behind Link that year and that makes it very difficult to get a read on him. I think there was a topic recently where the consensus was that Yoshi is easily weaker than Luigi or Bowser, but I'm not sure there's enough evidence behind that claim. The reason I initially picked Yoshi was because of the idea of the Nintendo hierarchy. It just didn't seem right to predict that a beloved Mario character like Yoshi (who always wins the 8-way Mario character polls here) to lose to a Pokemon, even Pikachu. We might see a case of the fabled rSFF here, but I think they're close to one another indirectly. It's a choice I've gone back and forth on, but I'll say that Yoshi wins with 52% Goodbye Pokemon. I would like to solicit opinions on the following matches: Noctis' path Sora vs Red Auron vs Vincent Dante vs Ganondorf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/11/18 8:33:46 AM #93:	Pikachu was my gut pick there due to how Pokmon has generally beasted over contests as of late, but something doesn't feel right about that. I'm going to go and change some of my bracket. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910340549] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Pikachu was my gut pick there due to how Pokmon has generally beasted over contests as of late, but something doesn't feel right about that. I'm going to go and change some of my bracket.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 10/11/18 8:39:34 AM #94:	Noctis' path Master Hand shouldn't be a problem at all, and I don't think Wario would be either. If Monika has a rally going then that's gg, and I don't see him beating Zero. Sora vs Red I'm riding the KH3 hype train so I'm taking Sora farther than is probably reasonable. Auron vs Vincent I'm going with Auron here. Vincent losing to Phoenix doesn't exactly inspire confidence ~~and again I am greatly overestimating the importance of Kingdom Hearts to this contest and I'm hoping people playing KH2 will give Auron a boost maybe~~ Dante vs Ganondorf I'm going with Dante on this one 'cause I've seen decent amounts of Devil May Cry discussions lately I guess. Also when was the last time Ganondorf was even the main antagonist of a game? Looks to me like if you don't count Breath of the Wild because lol Calamity Ganon, the last time was Twilight Princess? --- Let's give it everything we've got! IT'S.... PUNISHMENT TIME!!!! <cite>hombad46 posted [p:910340723] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Noctis' path Master Hand shouldn't be a problem at all, and I don't think Wario would be either. If Monika has a rally going then that's gg, and I don't see him beating Zero. Sora vs Red I'm riding the KH3 hype train so I'm taking Sora farther than is probably reasonable. Auron vs Vincent I'm going with Auron here. Vincent losing to Phoenix doesn't exactly inspire confidence and again I am greatly overestimating the importance of Kingdom Hearts to this contest and I'm hoping people playing KH2 will give Auron a boost maybe Dante vs Ganondorf I'm going with Dante on this one 'cause I've seen decent amounts of Devil May Cry discussions lately I guess. Also when was the last time Ganondorf was even the main antagonist of a game? Looks to me like if you don't count Breath of the Wild because lol Calamity Ganon, the last time was Twilight Princess?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scaryice 10/11/18 8:40:19 AM #95:	Pokemon has done better than expected for what, five contests in a row now? I don't think it would be wise to underestimate it. I'll probably take Pikachu over Yoshi and Red over Sora as a result. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, the new Guru champ! Not that I'm bitter or anything... <cite>scaryice posted [p:910340742] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Pokemon has done better than expected for what, five contests in a row now? I don't think it would be wise to underestimate it. I'll probably take Pikachu over Yoshi and Red over Sora as a result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/11/18 8:41:50 AM #96:	I'm skeptical of the Pokemon dominance, especially in CBIX, as is probably clear by now. This will be the contest where we find out for sure how real it is. I could get burned. It wouldn't shock me. But I'm fairly confident in Bowser and Tifa, at least. <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910340778] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I'm skeptical of the Pokemon dominance, especially in CBIX, as is probably clear by now. This will be the contest where we find out for sure how real it is. I could get burned. It wouldn't shock me. But I'm fairly confident in Bowser and Tifa, at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mozzezz 10/11/18 10:59:54 AM #97:	I have Pikachu going all the way to the division finals, hes the only Pokemon character I'm really taking seriously in this contest, but I'm definitely taking him seriously. Almost anyone who is not a Nintendo fan is probably going to vote for Pikachu over Yoshi, plus he'll pick up some Nintendo votes. Also, I don't think Yoshi has really mattered much to the Mario franchise since Galaxy 2, around 8 years ago. I would almost relegate Yoshi to the realm of old school favorite with not much modern appeal. --- "Lower your guard and you will allow the enemy in." - Frog from Chrono Trigger (the original alt frog). https://imgur.com/hSc6hOs <cite>Mozzezz posted [p:910345825] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I have Pikachu going all the way to the division finals, hes the only Pokemon character I'm really taking seriously in this contest, but I'm definitely taking him seriously. Almost anyone who is not a Nintendo fan is probably going to vote for Pikachu over Yoshi, plus he'll pick up some Nintendo votes. Also, I don't think Yoshi has really mattered much to the Mario franchise since Galaxy 2, around 8 years ago. I would almost relegate Yoshi to the realm of old school favorite with not much modern appeal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 10/11/18 11:13:36 AM #98:	I actually have Pikachu beating Zero. Looking at their histories I dont think theyre too different in strength, but also that match would happen on the same day Lets Go comes out, and yeah people might not be as excited for it as most Pokmon games, but its still a Pokmon game, and one starring Pikachu (or Eevee) no less --- Let's give it everything we've got! IT'S.... PUNISHMENT TIME!!!! <cite>hombad46 posted [p:910346438] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I actually have Pikachu beating Zero. Looking at their histories I dont think theyre too different in strength, but also that match would happen on the same day Lets Go comes out, and yeah people might not be as excited for it as most Pokmon games, but its still a Pokmon game, and one starring Pikachu (or Eevee) no less</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 10/11/18 8:28:26 PM #99:	I think that taking Pikachu to win his division is a perfectly legitimate choice - I had that in my bracket at one point. If Pokemon does surprisingly turn out to be as strong as 2013 suggests, I think he'll take it with no difficulty. Let's Go will probably be less of a factor than HG/SS was back in 2010, but it should give him a nice edge and it's difficult to imagine him losing to Zero with that help. In my estimation, Yoshi is being given a bit of a bad rap and all three of those characters should be in the discussion. Yoshi does have that bad 2008 performance where Squall/Sora were first and second above him and Fox, but he also has his Crono-level score against Missingno, so it's hard to say for sure where he is. Division 3 Battle 101: (1) Sora vs (4) Big Boss Another match between two characters who are often quite close in the x-stats. I think that Sora has a few more factors going for him, between KHIII hype and the possibility of a Big Boss sprite pic since this is the third match. There's also the matter of MGS' 2015 performance. To Big Boss' credit, MGS3 emerged as the strongest game in the series that contest. But they all did rather poorly, which might signify a drop for the characters, although that's highly speculative. The most recent Metal Gear game was survive, which could leave a bad taste in people's mouths and inspire them to vote against MGS characters. Sora might even have a bracket voting advantage due to that sexy 1 seed. Sora wins with 53% Battle 102: (3) Alucard vs (7) Kefka For the sake of round 2, Kefka's impossible-to-predict precise strength didn't really matter. For this match, it becomes relevant again. If we do have another sprite round, Kefka might gain some power by being graced once again with his final boss sprite from FFVI. Is that enough to take down Alucard? I can't really say, but my inclination is no. I expect that Kefka is another example of a character who is overhyped because of an anomalous 2013 performance. I have to admit that I'm also inclined toward Alucard because of the aforementioned history of him winning debated matches - unless he's up against Kingdom Hearts. Alucard wins with 55% Division 4 Battle 103: (9) Ness vs (4) Bowser We previously established that Ness is as strong as Mario, and we've seen that match before. Ness wins with 70% I wish. As a matter of fact, we've seen this match before, and it wasn't pretty. If 2B is here, she will get a higher percentage compared to Ness, but she stands no chance of winning. Bowser wins with 75% Battle 104: (6) Ike vs (2) Kirby Easy one. The dum pink ball wins with 75% <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:910374405] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>I think that taking Pikachu to win his division is a perfectly legitimate choice - I had that in my bracket at one point. If Pokemon does surprisingly turn out to be as strong as 2013 suggests, I think he'll take it with no difficulty. Let's Go will probably be less of a factor than HG/SS was back in 2010, but it should give him a nice edge and it's difficult to imagine him losing to Zero with that help. In my estimation, Yoshi is being given a bit of a bad rap and all three of those characters should be in the discussion. Yoshi does have that bad 2008 performance where Squall/Sora were first and second above him and Fox, but he also has his Crono-level score against Missingno, so it's hard to say for sure where he is. Division 3 Battle 101: (1) Sora vs (4) Big Boss Another match between two characters who are often quite close in the x-stats. I think that Sora has a few more factors going for him, between KHIII hype and the possibility of a Big Boss sprite pic since this is the third match. There's also the matter of MGS' 2015 performance. To Big Boss' credit, MGS3 emerged as the strongest game in the series that contest. But they all did rather poorly, which might signify a drop for the characters, although that's highly speculative. The most recent Metal Gear game was survive, which could leave a bad taste in people's mouths and inspire them to vote against MGS characters. Sora might even have a bracket voting advantage due to that sexy 1 seed. Sora wins with 53% Battle 102: (3) Alucard vs (7) Kefka For the sake of round 2, Kefka's impossible-to-predict precise strength didn't really matter. For this match, it becomes relevant again. If we do have another sprite round, Kefka might gain some power by being graced once again with his final boss sprite from FFVI. Is that enough to take down Alucard? I can't really say, but my inclination is no. I expect that Kefka is another example of a character who is overhyped because of an anomalous 2013 performance. I have to admit that I'm also inclined toward Alucard because of the aforementioned history of him winning debated matches - unless he's up against Kingdom Hearts. Alucard wins with 55% Division 4 Battle 103: (9) Ness vs (4) Bowser We previously established that Ness is as strong as Mario, and we've seen that match before. Ness wins with 70% I wish. As a matter of fact, we've seen this match before, and it wasn't pretty. If 2B is here, she will get a higher percentage compared to Ness, but she stands no chance of winning. Bowser wins with 75% Battle 104: (6) Ike vs (2) Kirby Easy one. The dum pink ball wins with 75%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 10/12/18 5:23:25 AM #100:	Somehow Ness over Shadow doesn't feel right. Like take our last 1v1 contest, a close loss to Ammy vs. a close loss to Big Daddy. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:910393282] in Let's disc... [t:77064367]...</cite> <quote>Somehow Ness over Shadow doesn't feel right. Like take our last 1v1 contest, a close loss to Ammy vs. a close loss to Big Daddy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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