Board 8 > Anime and Manga Topic 202: A Dream of Summer

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LapisLazuli
10/08/18 5:57:54 PM
#251:


I noticed 0 of either, though to be fair they didn't say what they were drinking at the bar.

OST in Release the Spyce is SO GOOD.
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pyresword
10/08/18 6:00:25 PM
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LapisLazuli posted...
I'll admit, I'm a little torn. This was a boring as fuck first episode, but...understandably so? Guess they kind of had to do it like this. It's like Fate/Zero's first episode, just executed way worse.

I love both of these episodes so it might be that I just like these type of episodes more than others. Off hand I also know there was an infamous infodump episode in From the New World which everyone except me complains about, so this might indicate a trend. (Also as I said above the parts I liked in SAO were the non-infodump parts though so uh...who knows?)

Yuki Kajiura was definitely on point in this episode, so that might have also been a factor.
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LapisLazuli
10/08/18 6:07:02 PM
#253:


I actually really like the FtNW infodump episode, too. Mostly due to the atmosphere.
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LapisLazuli
10/08/18 6:21:25 PM
#254:


Iroduku

There's a lot going on here, but even just 9 minutes in it's working so well.
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LapisLazuli
10/08/18 7:30:22 PM
#255:


Well, guess that's it until Not Hunter x Hunter airs.

Zombieland Saga
JoJo
Double Decker
Iroduku
Thunderbolt Fantasy 2
Bunnygirl
Release the Spyce
Slime Isekai
Bloom Into You
Gridman
Uzamaid
Boarding School Juliet
Arima Yell
SAO
Akanesasu Shoujo
Run with the Wind
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pyresword
10/08/18 11:02:52 PM
#256:


Watched episode 1 of Iroduku and this is definitely a PA Works show all right.

I have no idea yet whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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LapisLazuli
10/08/18 11:11:44 PM
#257:


Always the fear that PA Works is gonna PA Works.
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pyresword
10/09/18 1:19:10 AM
#258:


Episode 4 of Revue Starlight was nice. Bana-nice, even.

I've been a bit on the fence, but I think it will turn out good if the show keeps up having episodes in this vein.
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KommunistKoala
10/09/18 1:26:50 PM
#259:


@tazzyboyishere new tokyo ghoul:re op done by TK again, thought you might be interested in the song at least since I know you enjoy unravel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvLPaTuBgM" data-time="

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GranzonEx
10/09/18 1:32:14 PM
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unfortunately I think he dropped the previous season

new season is also only one cour so be prepared for a huge mess
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KommunistKoala
10/09/18 1:33:14 PM
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I wouldn't recommend watching it to anyone, pierrot can't be trusted

only the songs!
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GranzonEx
10/09/18 1:39:03 PM
#262:


Pierrot gonna Pierrot

I'm sticking with it again... I really want to see how they cut stuff over 100 chapters into 12 episodes
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 1:39:45 PM
#263:


Tokyo Ghoul is Pierrot's greatest sin

Could have been an all time great shounen anime
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ninkendo
10/09/18 3:31:01 PM
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 4:03:22 PM
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Just looked up where season 1of Ghoul:re left off.

God, I feel pity for anime only watchers.
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 5:38:44 PM
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Watched this first episode of the new season just for closure.

This is not my beautiful house.

This is not my beautiful wife.
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Mobilezoid
10/09/18 9:16:43 PM
#267:


Apparently Netflix has redubbed AICO: Incarnation with voice actors who don't suck, so for the two of you who only watch things dubbed, maybe give it a try now! It's AotY for me so far.
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 9:30:01 PM
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Wow, Netflix has that kind of time on their hands, huh?

Couldn't spend it getting one of their delaycasts out faster?

Still, appreciated. That dub was hilarious.
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captaincanadian
10/09/18 9:32:50 PM
#269:


I'll actually probably check it out some time now when I need to watch something on my phone tbh
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 10:47:11 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy
10/09/18 11:06:57 PM
#271:


Mobilezoid posted...
Apparently Netflix has redubbed AICO: Incarnation with voice actors who don't suck, so for the two of you who only watch things dubbed, maybe give it a try now! It's AotY for me so far.


Oh? I started it, but couldn't make it past the first ep, if it was redubbed, I might give it another shot.
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Mobilezoid
10/09/18 11:11:06 PM
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I should have posted the Twitter link. I haven't actually heard either dub but I at least hope the new one is better.

https://twitter.com/NetflixAnime/status/1049319949099913216
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 11:14:15 PM
#273:


Gotta wonder how the first one happened in the first place.

Yis Erica Mendez.
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Popcorn_Fairy
10/09/18 11:15:09 PM
#274:


Mobilezoid posted...
I should have posted the Twitter link. I haven't actually heard either dub but I at least hope the new one is better.

https://twitter.com/NetflixAnime/status/1049319949099913216


Ok. That is a kickass dub cast. This is good. Really good.
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 11:17:27 PM
#275:


It's pretty nuts though that because it was streaming only and has no home release, that original dub is just.....gone. like....THEORETICALLY they could include both one day, but why would they? It only exists in some Nyaa batch torrent.
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Popcorn_Fairy
10/09/18 11:20:34 PM
#276:


I don't really know exactly what happened, but I know the studio that did the original dub focused on dubbing into non English Languages. So my guess is Netflix was having them do the all the other languages and just had em do English while they were at it.
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Mobilezoid
10/09/18 11:25:28 PM
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I'm just glad that Netflix seems to have learned their lesson. Hopefully they don't use those people again and put more effort into dubs in the future. It would've been nice if they'd learned that lesson on something that wasn't one of my favorite anime because I bet a ton of people have already written AICO off due to the shitty dub and will never know it was updated, but oh well.
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Mac Arrowny
10/09/18 11:39:48 PM
#278:


Revue Starlight beated. Subtracted a point from its score every time they used the term "Stage Girl" so it ended up with the coveted -80/10. What a show.
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LapisLazuli
10/09/18 11:41:30 PM
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Mac Arrowny
10/09/18 11:54:36 PM
#280:


sounds really dumb every time they say it, mainly
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WhiteLens
10/10/18 12:13:20 AM
#281:


Speaking of dubs and Netflix, the Bleach live-action movie has a dub as well.

https://twitter.com/NetflixAnime/status/1049319623944855552

Only Ichigo, Orhime, Uryu, and Urahara retained their voices from the anime. Though Urahara is his 2nd VA.
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swordz9
10/10/18 12:17:15 AM
#282:


Wow how in the hell could they not get Michelle Ruff? :(
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NowItsAngeTime
10/10/18 12:18:47 AM
#283:


swordz9 posted...
Wow how in the hell could they not get Michelle Ruff? :(


Everyone is really confused, especially since unlike Troy baker she's actually around

Who knows what the budgeteers were thinking
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LapisLazuli
10/10/18 12:37:24 AM
#284:


Michelle Ruff hasn't done a single role this year in any medium, so I assume there must be some personal reasons.
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swordz9
10/10/18 12:39:59 AM
#285:


Shes still Rita in the Vesperia port last I heard which has lots of new lines
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Popcorn_Fairy
10/10/18 12:42:53 AM
#286:


Just watch the Bleach movie in Spanish. It was better that way.
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Mac Arrowny
10/10/18 12:48:37 AM
#287:


Okay, time for a serious revue (starlight).

This show had a lot of cool things going for it. The feel is fairly unique, with a kinda cool atmosphere. The way the dialogue is written makes it feel fairly unique. I liked the instrumental music a lot. The vocal songs were mostly kinda meh, but the BGM is where the show derived a lot of its emotional power I think. The animation was also really good at times. The fights had some crazy fluid combat, and the transformation sequence looked quite nice. I think the show was mostly pretty effective at setting out what it tried to accomplish. Unfortunately, I hated everything about it.

Let's start with the characters. All of them sucked. None of them were particularly original, and most of them were annoying, especially Karen and Hikari. Lots of these types of series will have a character who's obsessed with another character to the exclusion of everyone else, and while that works sometimes, it doesn't here. Karen seems to be living a full, fulfilling life before Hikari comes back, but after she does it feels like she stops caring about all of her other friends and only Hikari matters. I could maybe accept that if there were romance in this series, but there isn't, so it falls extra flat. Hikari's even more annoying. It really doesn't make any sense why she's so cold to Karen early on. They kind of try to say later that it's because she's worried that Karen forgot about her and their promise...but then we learn later on that Karen wrote letters to her constantly for the last 12 years? Which Hikari never responded to because??? I dunno, maybe the show had a bunch of different writers who never communicated or something. The rest of the class was mostly quite shallow and felt like they were just ripped off from other series or something. Trying to have 9 main characters in a 12 episode show can be too much. They probably should've just left the others as minor characters to maybe give better development to the mains. The only one I actually liked was Mahiru. She was super sympathetic for the most part, as she got the shaft from both Karen and the show itself. Nana's first episode was pretty good, but her storyline was resolved in a totally half-assed way that was kinda blah to me.

I also despised the setting and the premise. I heard a lot of hype for the show, even before it aired, since apparently the animation was going to be super special and it was going to have some cool Utena-esque twists, but even then I was skeptical about whether I'd actually like it, because the theater-training school sounded like a lame place. And it was. I don't like the school at all, or the focus on theater, especially in such a shallow way (I like Glass Mask a lot, which focuses on theater in a much more interesting way, partly because it focuses more on acting itself...why didn't the girls ever have acting training scenes anyway? It was all fancy dancing and jumping and tap-dancing and Starlight never had any of that). Their idea of performing Starlight three years in a row was super stupid. The show never really showed why all of them were willing to participate in the Revue, considering what was on the line. And the Revue itself never ended up having much thematic depth, nor actual sense-making depth. It really just felt like the show was aping Utena without understanding what made that show so good (it does manage to avoid some of Utena's flaws, but not enough to be a good show). Because I never really cared about the characters or the setting or anything, the fights didn't have much of an impression on me despite the good animation. I don't think the choreography was the best either.

Finally, the last episode was just plain bad. For most of the show I can see why others would like it as it does come down to personal preference. The finale sucked though. How does Karen idolize Starlight so much that it changed her life but not like that it's a tragedy... Also augh amnesia. Also Hikari is so dumb. Also it should be the 101st festival.
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Mobilezoid
10/10/18 1:18:25 AM
#288:


Mac Arrowny posted...
Hikari's even more annoying. It really doesn't make any sense why she's so cold to Karen early on. They kind of try to say later that it's because she's worried that Karen forgot about her and their promise...but then we learn later on that Karen wrote letters to her constantly for the last 12 years? Which Hikari never responded to because???

I figured she was cold because her 'shine' was stolen in the earlier Revue. And she never responded because she made a promise never to talk to Karen again unless both of them became stage girls, in order to motivate both of them. I mean that's kind of a stupid promise but they did explain it.

As for the rest of your thoughts, I liked the setting and characters. I also loved all the thematic symbolism in almost everything. I guess it just wasn't your type of show, but it really really was my type of show!
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Eerieka
10/10/18 1:29:25 AM
#289:


I'm watching the first episode of Jojo right now. Holy shit this Dio Brando guy is an asshole. I knew he was the villain, but I usually root for villains. This guy is pure scum.
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Popcorn_Fairy
10/10/18 1:30:11 AM
#290:


Eerieka posted...
I'm watching the first episode of Jojo right now. Holy shit this Dio Brando guy is an asshole. I knew he was the villain, but I usually root for villains. This guy is pure scum.


Yep. Sums up Dio pretty good.
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/10/18 1:35:44 AM
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*spoiler for later Jojo just in case*


yooooooooooo lmao I misread that as the first episode of Part 5 since it just came out, and was gonna be like "hey now yea he hustles people but that's a bit much to call him a villain"

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Mac Arrowny
10/10/18 2:26:41 AM
#292:


Dio is amazing. I definitely rooted for him from the start :p

Mobilezoid posted...

I figured she was cold because her 'shine' was stolen in the earlier Revue. And she never responded because she made a promise never to talk to Karen again unless both of them became stage girls, in order to motivate both of them.


That's what I figured at first too, but then she got her shine back before she left to go to Japan. And that still doesn't explain why she thought Karen forgot about their promise.
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/10/18 2:38:48 AM
#293:


alright watched Goblin Slayer to see what all the hubbub was about

yea that rape scene wasn't great, I mean sure they didn't really show anything but they would have been fine with showing how dangerous the goblins are with how they slaughter parties without mercy. Really not much reason to have rape added in.

Other than that, it was fine. Kind of shocked Goblin Slayer dude is totally fine with having priestess hang with him despite being a rookie. That's kind of a neat change of pace, him not being totally standoff-ish and thinking that she's too much of a lower level to him.

OH, actually one other thing that bothered me a bit....if mage girl got poisoned by one of the daggers the goblins were carrying, how did fighter girl not also get poisoned? She got stabbed by numerous daggers as well it looked like. It just conveniently so happened to be a poisoned one? Or the goblins that were doing clear stabbing motions to the fighter girl were merely stabbing her clothes off without actually breaking skin? I dunno. Maybe there's something I'm missing.

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handsomeboy2012
10/10/18 2:54:00 AM
#294:


Might be you mistook them stabbing the sword guy in the background. I don't remember that scene too well but pretty sure they tore her clothes off with their hands
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/10/18 3:04:55 AM
#295:


they looked like they were already done with him, but it was a shot of their shadows on the wall so maybe??? I'm not sure.
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Robazoid
10/10/18 4:47:14 AM
#296:


Well I also went ahead and finished Revue Starlight because I still had one episode left.

I thought that was an amazing story. I can see why it might not appeal to everyone but all the themes it explored spoke deeply to me (creative struggle, seeking perfection, the connection between people... I could go on). This is an anime where enough care has been put into every aspect of it that even the tiniest details are dripping with symbolism, and I love picking apart stuff like that. I also loved all of the characters. They were each unique, and the episodes somehow managed to showcase both who they were and their relationships in satisfying ways.

The final episode was what really managed to pull it all together though, and what finally managed to have this break my top 10 and become a true 10/10 anime, but I'll put those thoughts into spoilers. I just really liked how it brought all the themes together. Starlight was a powerful story to Karen, to the point where it existed within her beyond the confines of what was written. She was able to imagine that narrative continuing beyond the 'end', where the character recovered from the tragedy and found a happy ending. Resonating with someone on that level is the highest goal of fiction, I think, and the fact that the story meant that much to her really came across for me.

I also liked the thematic rebuke of the whole 'people have a finite amount of glimmer' or whatever. I took that whole aspect to describe how actors are expected to give everything they have to a performance, and that is draining... but the well fills back up again. There are always other performances, so Karen could try again as many times as it took to rescue Hikari. There's more thematic stuff I could talk about but I think I've said enough already to make it clear how much I loved this. I also feel like, despite how many deep things I noticed, there are whole layers that I didn't manage to catch on this first viewing. I'm going to love rewatching this again someday.


Anyway, yeah. This was the best anime of Summer, 10/10, would recommend.
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Mac Arrowny
10/10/18 10:50:16 AM
#297:


Yeah, I can see why someone who gave Love Live Sunshine a 10 would give this the same score. Had a lot of great about this having a Love Live feel before I watched it, which were sadly accurate.
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pyresword
10/10/18 10:50:55 AM
#298:


I think Revue Starlight is a solid 7/10 so far (as of episode 4). Nothing offensive or amazing.

I do think it's a much more fun show than Utena, which is definitely worth something. (The themes and story in Revue Starlight are weaker so far imo, though that could change by the end, as this style of show tends to have its good content back-loaded rather than front-loaded)
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Mac Arrowny
10/10/18 11:27:54 AM
#299:


Seriously though, it's cool that you liked it at least. I'd say it being more fun than Utena is a negative, personally (Revue Starlight never really feels like there are any stakes to anything that happens).
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Popcorn_Fairy
10/10/18 11:41:02 AM
#300:


Mac Arrowny posted...
I definitely rooted for him from the start :p


How? Why?
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