Board 8 > ~MLB Official Discussion Topic 6: The Angel of Justice Is Blind~

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GGs

Feels good to be happy for Price finally
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Well I hope whoever faces the Red Sox doesn't get completely steamrolled like National League teams tend to do in the World Series against them. At least it would be nice if they put up more of a fight than the Yankees and Astros.
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This is the first year the NL won interleague in a while. so... maybe!
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I always figure its a coin toss. But the Sox inter league record is nuts
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https://twitter.com/ByRobertMurray/status/1053123374459826176

This is a great conspiracy theory, and I'm a Brewers fan, but they fail to note just how bad the Dodgers have been with runners in scoring position. If this was true, that would mean the Dodgers hitters are absolutely terrible, so I don't buy it.
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Dodgers better be hell bent on not losing two consecutive World Series

Also hoping that the removal of the DH hurts Boston hard in half the games
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

Dodgers better be hell bent on not losing two consecutive World Series

Also hoping that the removal of the DH hurts Boston hard in half the games

Moreland is best as a PH right now and Martinez at 1B on the road. Pearce against Kershaw at Fenway. We have a lot of bad infielding versatility.

I don't know Milwaukee's starters very well but I'm interested in Hader against our "we need to beat the Yankees lefthanders" lineup, if the Brewers win.
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Milwaukees starters are Jhoulys Chacin, and then a bunch of guys that go 2-3 innings.

Aka not good, and just pitching well right now. If only the offense hadnt disappeared, with the pitching theyre getting and their September offense this team would be almost unbeatable. The bats broke at the wrong time
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just want to take this time to say i still hate the DH
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I like the DH and I like seeing the pitcher have to hit. They shouldn't change a thing.
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RaidenGarai posted...

I'm sorry that most teams (like my Brewers) lack the financial resources to compete with the teams that buy wins in baseball. Not every team has the payroll to compete with the Red Sox, Yankees, Giants, Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals, etc.

If you want Boston to stop winning, you have to want true parity in Baseball, where every team has a level playing field and winning isn't primarily determined by how much your owner is willing to spend. The same teams are always in or near the postseason every year, and then there's one or two teams that have the lower payroll (and generally smaller market) that actually build a good team without spending huge amounts.

Do you want true parity in baseball, or do you just want a world where your large market/payroll team still wins and Boston loses? It's not often that you can have both.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/ <- This is why Boston is so hard to beat.

I want to go back to this because the "woe is me our small payroll" schtick is beyond old.

I call out the Minor League teams because they play an antiquated garbage form of baseball that is unsuccessful. Pitchers hitting is I think at the root of what causes the league to be much weaker than the AL year to year and I have no reason to think otherwise. The Dodgers are going to get just as swept by Boston as Milwaukee would.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I like the DH and I like seeing the pitcher have to hit. They shouldn't change a thing.

I actually agree that I like there are different rules in general for the different leagues. That doesn't inherently bother me. Specifically I do not like the core of the DH. It's gimmicky.

ExThaNemesis posted...

I call out the Minor League teams because they play an antiquated garbage form of baseball that is unsuccessful. Pitchers hitting is I think at the root of what causes the league to be much weaker than the AL year to year and I have no reason to think otherwise. The Dodgers are going to get just as swept by Boston as Milwaukee would.

The playoff teams are high payroll teams OR teams that made huge Trade splashes and took on a ton of money that way. Payroll matters. a lot.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I want to go back to this because the "woe is me our small payroll" schtick is beyond old.

That's really easy for a Yankees fan to say, since your team has been buying wins for ages now. Imagine if MLB implemented a salary cap and all of the top free agents were no longer split between 5 or 6 different teams. You'd be freaking out because your teams easy run to the playoffs through spending alone would be ruined.
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Salary caps do not lead to competitive balance. With a limited market free agents end up congregating in one place. Who wants to play in Milwaukee when they could play in LA or NY for the same price?

Leafeon13N posted...

Salary caps do not lead to competitive balance. With a limited market free agents end up congregating in one place. Who wants to play in Milwaukee when they could play in LA or NY for the same price?

Reggie White choosing to sign with the Packers would like a word with you. It's less common for someone to want to play in a small market, but it's not true. That might be the case with the NBA and everybody wanting to play for Golden State, but it's not always the case. Different teams have different amounts of cap space available, and that determines how much a team can pay. LA or New York might not have the cap room that a smaller market team would have available, that's how the smaller market teams can compete for free agents. By limiting what the richer, larger market teams can spend so there's a level playing field. Players will follow the money, and the only way you give those smaller markets a chance is by giving them the same opportunities, which they don't have without a cap because of what you mentioned.

Look at the NFL. Players don't all go to one team, or large markets. Jimmy Graham chose Green Bay over New Orleans. Players choose to play in Cleveland because the team has so much cap space they can pay more.

If the NFL had no salary cap, Dallas would be like the Yankees because Jerry would spend whatever he needs to win. But he can't, because that isn't allowed in the NFL.
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Most of the Yankees talent we got through shrewd trades and the draft. Our farm system is legendary compared to most other teams, especially now that we're not constantly trading it away.
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Anyway, salary cap =/= parity.

New England gets players constantly taking paycuts to make super teams there for the last 20 years.

Golden State in the NBA.

Etc.
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Furthermore, these "woe is me" poor owners CAN spend the money, it's just a situation where they WON'T.

The big market successful franchises have owners/management that are committed to winning as opposed to raking their fanbase over the coals for as much money as possible. Not our fault.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Anyway, salary cap =/= parity.

New England gets players constantly taking paycuts to make super teams there for the last 20 years.

Golden State in the NBA.

Etc.

Other teams still have a chance to compete with New England. If its between the Brewers and the Yankees, the Yankees will just offer the player 5x what we can and make the decision for them, because they can do that without issue.

Theres a difference between a player signing with a team for less to chase a championship, and a team buying/outbidding others for all of the top end talent.

I wouldnt expect a Yankees fan to understand his because youve been so spoiled by having a rich owner who can afford everybody that doesnt need to make personnel decisions based on how much they can pay.
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Yankees haven't done that for years.
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Boyo, I've been a fan of Arsenal FC for the last 12 years and watched us get literally buried by teams who outbid us for every player imaginable. I know and understand more about this than you POSSIBLY could based off the two years of competitive Brewers baseball you've been watching.
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The Yankees literally slashed payroll by over 30 million to get under the luxury tax cap this season.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Boyo, I've been a fan of Arsenal FC for the last 12 years and watched us get literally buried by teams who outbid us for every player imaginable. I know and understand more about this than you POSSIBLY could based off the two years of competitive Brewers baseball you've been watching.

Ive been watching the Brewers since the days of Paul Molitor and Robin Yount. Unfortunately I wasnt alive when they got to the World Series. Nice try though.

Arti posted...

The Yankees literally slashed payroll by over 30 million to get under the luxury tax cap this season.

And their payroll is still 6th in the league. Thats my issue. I know most people dont care because theyre from larger markets and fans of larger market teams. I want to be able to experience something like that before Im dead, and the odds are very slim that I ever will, even though Im only 35.

In the end, I think it comes down to me being jealous that my team doesnt have the resources to be competitive every year. If the Yankees were the team I grew up with and loved, Id have no issue. Because I grew up with the poorer, small market team, I dont have that, and again, am jealous of the teams that do.
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the Cubs and Red Sox didn't win a world series for like a combined 200 years man IDK what you're on about
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What it ultimately comes down to is bad franchises vs. good franchises.

Through the draft, you will ultimately end up with two or three star caliber players while your team is on a downswing.

The good teams surround that talent while building, or use the star caliber players as assets in trades to make their team better.

The good franchises don't miss on draft picks, and don't miss on the trades they make. The bad ones do. And the bad ones usually lie to their fans in the process.
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Like look at football for example. There's a reason the Patriots and Steelers have essentially both been good for the last 20 years. They have no salary advantage. Pittsburgh isn't exactly a gigantic market.

They're both superior run franchises to dross like the Bills and the Browns, to use examples from each team's division.

The Bills and Browns constantly miss on their draft picks. They constantly lose trades. They constantly bring in the wrong talent. They constantly hire the wrong coaches.

This happens in every sport.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

the Cubs and Red Sox didn't win a world series for like a combined 200 years man IDK what you're on about

They didnt, but theyre up near the top now that they have. Maybe if the Brewers get one and their owner realizes that winning will make him even more money, hell start spending more. They need to win one first though!
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And I hope they do! I'd love to see them get it done.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Like look at football for example. There's a reason the Patriots and Steelers have essentially both been good for the last 20 years. They have no salary advantage. Pittsburgh isn't exactly a gigantic market.

They're both superior run franchises to dross like the Bills and the Browns, to use examples from each team's division.

The Bills and Browns constantly miss on their draft picks. They constantly lose trades. They constantly bring in the wrong talent. They constantly hire the wrong coaches.

This happens in every sport.

The Patriots have Brady. As much as I hate them, hes just so damn good. Hes willing to take less too because he wants to win, so they can afford more talent around him (something I wish Aaron Rodgers would have done).

The thing with those teams is consistency, like you said. They dont have a ton of turnover in coaching and that stuff. Teams like the Bills and Browns tend to give new coaches 2 or maybe 3 years, and when theyre still losing they bring in a new guy, and are always in a state of rebuild. Itd be nice to see one or both of them have some prolonged success again. Cant imagine how pissed Cleveland people are that their team suddenly became good when they moved to Baltimore.
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The last 20 years the MLB has had 12 different world series winners!

Yankees
Dbacks
Marlins
Red Sox
White Sox
Astros
Phillies
Cubs
Cardinals
Giants
Royals
Angels

Can't ask for much better parity imo
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RaidenGarai posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Like look at football for example. There's a reason the Patriots and Steelers have essentially both been good for the last 20 years. They have no salary advantage. Pittsburgh isn't exactly a gigantic market.

They're both superior run franchises to dross like the Bills and the Browns, to use examples from each team's division.

The Bills and Browns constantly miss on their draft picks. They constantly lose trades. They constantly bring in the wrong talent. They constantly hire the wrong coaches.

This happens in every sport.

The Patriots have Brady. As much as I hate them, hes just so damn good. Hes willing to take less too because he wants to win, so they can afford more talent around him (something I wish Aaron Rodgers would have done).

The thing with those teams is consistency, like you said. They dont have a ton of turnover in coaching and that stuff. Teams like the Bills and Browns tend to give new coaches 2 or maybe 3 years, and when theyre still losing they bring in a new guy, and are always in a state of rebuild. Itd be nice to see one or both of them have some prolonged success again. Cant imagine how pissed Cleveland people are that their team suddenly became good when they moved to Baltimore.

Brady isnt good. Bellicheck is god however, (and willing to do literally anything to win, rules be damned). And Brady took less money because he is paid under the table. Which is ALSO against the rules, but Bill doesnt give a fuck obviously.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

The last 20 years the MLB has had 12 different world series winners!

Yankees
Dbacks
Marlins
Red Sox
White Sox
Astros
Phillies
Cubs
Cardinals
Giants
Royals
Angels

Can't ask for much better parity imo

I didnt remember the DBacks, Marlins, Phillies, White Sox, or Angels until I saw this. Thats pretty bad
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Bigger market teams have a ridiculous advantage in baseball. Mostly we can afford the back end of contracts, survive bad deals, and can outspend other teams for IFAs and draft picks. Some of that has changed over the years for the minor leagues but its a huge advantage and it allows us to have expectations that are easy to market the product to. I would blame the players union before blaming the big teams.
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neonreaper posted...

Bigger market teams have a ridiculous advantage in baseball. Mostly we can afford the back end of contracts, survive bad deals, and can outspend other teams for IFAs and draft picks. Some of that has changed over the years for the minor leagues but its a huge advantage and it allows us to have expectations that are easy to market the product to. I would blame the players union before blaming the big teams.

Especially cause if they fail for you, you
Just round em up....

I cant count the amount of times this year Ive heard announcers say Mookies batspeed is up from last year tremendously, he must have worked on that all off season

Yeah, Im sure he drank a lot of protein shakes....

LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

neonreaper posted...

Bigger market teams have a ridiculous advantage in baseball. Mostly we can afford the back end of contracts, survive bad deals, and can outspend other teams for IFAs and draft picks. Some of that has changed over the years for the minor leagues but its a huge advantage and it allows us to have expectations that are easy to market the product to. I would blame the players union before blaming the big teams.

Especially cause if they fail for you, you
Just round em up....

I cant count the amount of times this year Ive heard announcers say Mookies batspeed is up from last year tremendously, he must have worked on that all off season

Yeah, Im sure he drank a lot of protein shakes....

Roid, not round. Fuck auto correct.

RaidenGarai posted...

. If its between the Brewers and the Yankees, the Yankees will just offer the player 5x what we can and make the decision for them, because they can do that without issue.

Lmfao I literally don't think the Yankees have done this since maybe CC a decade ago?
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Good game Brewers. I knew you could do it. Game 7 coming up. This is what you live for as a fan.

One note about Machado. Is it just me or does he seem way more subdued? I feel like he realizes he went too far with that leg kick and just hasn't been the same cocky, egotistical persona that I saw earlier this series. The thing is, his hitting these last two games has been atrocious, and I feel like those two things are connected.
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

RaidenGarai posted...

. If its between the Brewers and the Yankees, the Yankees will just offer the player 5x what we can and make the decision for them, because they can do that without issue.

Lmfao I literally don't think the Yankees have done this since maybe CC a decade ago?

Teixera too, but the point stands that every other massive FA contracts where players changed teams (Pujols, Cano, A-Rod, Price, Fielder, Greinke, Scherzer, Manny etc etc) was offered by a team other than the Yankees. Many of which were "small market teams."
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neonreaper posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

Dodgers better be hell bent on not losing two consecutive World Series

Also hoping that the removal of the DH hurts Boston hard in half the games

Moreland is best as a PH right now and Martinez at 1B on the road. Pearce against Kershaw at Fenway. We have a lot of bad infielding versatility.

I don't know Milwaukee's starters very well but I'm interested in Hader against our "we need to beat the Yankees lefthanders" lineup, if the Brewers win.

Also Mookie is a 2B so I guess sorry Kinsler if it comes down to it
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neonreaper posted...

neonreaper posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

Dodgers better be hell bent on not losing two consecutive World Series

Also hoping that the removal of the DH hurts Boston hard in half the games

Moreland is best as a PH right now and Martinez at 1B on the road. Pearce against Kershaw at Fenway. We have a lot of bad infielding versatility.

I don't know Milwaukee's starters very well but I'm interested in Hader against our "we need to beat the Yankees lefthanders" lineup, if the Brewers win.

Also Mookie is a 2B so I guess sorry Kinsler if it comes down to it

Does Holt just have really bad numbers against lefties or something? Because I'm surprised he hasn't been out there as much.
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This pregame is absurd. I turn it on, and they're sitting there with this nice video package about how the Dodgers haven't won a World Series in 30 years, and how an entire generation of Dodgers fans haven't experienced a World Series victory.

After the video package, there's a very quick mention by one of the talking heads about how the Brewers haven't been to a World Series since 1982. Unless I missed the nice Brewers video package about how an entire generation hasn't been able to experience a World Series, this is biased coverage at its finest.
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Aggressive swings out there for Milwaukee
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Aguilar doesnt understand that a walk and getting on base is extremely valuable, especially when youre down. Why do you swings at something inside and at your eyes with a full count.
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I think Counsell is overmanaging this game a bit. Using Hader this early. And why wasn't Santana pitch hitting there? Why on the earth did he put Schoop in? Schoop is about as good of a guaranteed out as your going to get. He is the one glaringly bad acquisition Stearns made this season, and why he's on the playoff roster is a complete mystery to me. A complete waste of space as far as I'm concerned. At least hes out of the game now.
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Id prefer Milwaukee but I love Roberts and the thought of Puig trying to chase a ball around right field at Fenway is appealing
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Aguilar had a great game yesterday by making contact. All he wants to do right now is hit one out. Striking out with runners on is useless, and hes done it twice now.
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oh, so now he pinch hits Santana, with one out and nobody on.....that's a head scratcher for me.

Even with everything that's happened, it's still a ball game and anything can happen. Did anyone expect this one not to be a nail biter?
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I still think we shouldnt even be here since Jeffress choked away game 2. Brewers should be on rest and waiting to lose to the Red Sox.
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That was close. Cant be upset by that though. Taylor might have saved their season. Dont like the result, but that was an incredible catch.
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It does suck to see Machado succeeding, given that his dirty slide ruined Pedroias HoF chances
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