Board 8 > A Dance With Dragons Mafia - Topic 15: You have to know your name

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/18 8:48:43 PM
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FYI: I was not told any setup stuff and pretty much all I knew was the purpose of the Ghost and Viserion accounts.

Was certain that IGCD was scum given how he was essentially bussing himself. Thought it was a natural surrender to create a smokescreen so Daenerys could continue onward with her pet. Was not sure who that was. I did suspect dowolf (it was either him or Death), but never in a million years did I think plum would be scum too. Goes to show you how wonderfully he played here. I am very impressed.
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DoubleTangicide
10/11/18 9:03:00 PM
152
I thought dowolf was the last scum after god :/

Oh well
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ScareChan
10/11/18 9:12:48 PM
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Lolo_Guru
10/11/18 9:18:47 PM
154
oh hey you guys

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1016-forum-mafia/77088817

sheep's looking for newbie mafia players.
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neonreaper
10/11/18 9:31:06 PM
155
This wasnt a fun game to follow.
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DoubleTangicide
10/11/18 9:42:13 PM
156
ScareChan posted...
<3 you tange


<3 you too
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IfGodCouldDie
10/11/18 9:44:46 PM
157
DoubleTangicide posted...
ScareChan posted...
<3 you tange


<3 you too

So Tange, now that you know I was town can you please explain what you meant by you have never seen me act the way I did or whatever it was that you said?
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DoubleTangicide
10/11/18 9:57:06 PM
158
Just the way you were spamming the topic yelling at people to play

It caught me completely off guard
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DoomTheGyarados
10/11/18 9:58:30 PM
159
My muscle relaxers for my migraines make me a bit loose in the head.

Hope everyone enjoys my dvc novel night 1
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Sir Chris
ScareChan
10/11/18 10:37:54 PM
160
boy if you dont read my love letter
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DoomTheGyarados
10/11/18 10:41:16 PM
161
I already did. Did you read my novel on the dvc?

I am out for dinner on a business trip. More thoughts will come I promise.
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Sir Chris
ScareChan
10/11/18 10:50:25 PM
162
I saw its like 20 pages going to sit down to read it shortly
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ScareChan
10/11/18 11:13:42 PM
163
Also Im not sure how I react to you day 1 if I am town, Chris

I think I still try to lynch you because you changed your flavor and I would be like "Why would he have 2 flavors? how would he know that"

very intuitive

and very poor play on us because your first claim was on our safe list and none of us realized until AFTER you claimed

'oops'

like if we noticed that would have been such a balls out counter claim
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DoomTheGyarados
10/11/18 11:18:54 PM
164
Lmao. Except what type of scum goes away from the safelist.

Not that any town was that smart.
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ScareChan
10/11/18 11:20:59 PM
165
My analysis also had Sbell as Ghost account if it wasnt MI, but Ben nailed MI as it very very early
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ScareChan
10/11/18 11:24:19 PM
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Oh if you guys didnt read the scum board

the dragon votes day 1 were all rng voted. Dowolf just rolled a dice until the sheep vote which was intented to look like it was protecting chris
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Obellisk
10/11/18 11:43:28 PM
167
Hey guys did we wi... Oh.

good game guys.

Thank you Suprak.
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ScareChan
10/11/18 11:51:49 PM
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Shad how close were you to voting IGCD over me

like if I started my rant like 10 minutes earliar do you switch
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benjamin3740
10/12/18 12:05:48 AM
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I just want to be scum again so I can complete my redemption arc
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DoomTheGyarados
10/12/18 12:13:14 AM
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Selling lifetime mafia lessons 79 bucks!
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Sir Chris
ScareChan
10/12/18 12:28:16 AM
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selling lifetime mafia lessons for$78!
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MZero11
10/12/18 12:42:05 AM
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I played kind of bad, but it was frustrating when everyone told me to stop wasting time on dowolf instead of pressuring him to claim

Also while I'll admit I didn't handle Day 3 very well, how anyone thought that Sheep thing was a contradiction is baffling
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ScareChan
10/12/18 12:43:10 AM
173
I see a lot of shitting on me and I get the salt

but I think I put in a lot of work on the scumboard side of things and even if you guys thought I was obvious during day that our solving at night was critical
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Dels
10/12/18 12:52:03 AM
174
i think you were preoccupied elsewhere or busy IRL during the first day or 2 so people just assumed you were scum because, well, they think any easy target is scum, so then when you picked it up on later days they already knew you were scum so they didn't give credit for it
ScareChan
10/12/18 12:57:45 AM
175
the first 2 days I was finishing up the MU game (that took up SOOO much energy to win that) and I did have IRL stuff. I had some bullshit going on and was in the hospital for a minute. Day 3 is when I had full time for this game
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Leafeon13N
10/12/18 12:59:36 AM
176
For the record, i pretty much try to ignore flavor claiming for myself, town or scum. Unless rare advantageous circumstances arrive, its usually easier to just play as if flavor doesn't exist.

And if some flavor cop exists just claim real flavor. Theres only a few situations and flavors where your character is typically obvious scum.

For instance 3 of our scum characters if not 4 could have claimed real flavor and not been insta lynched this game.
ScareChan
10/12/18 1:03:48 AM
177
Oh @DoubleTangicide

I thought you might like to know that we thought you were the Lawyer. So even if others thought you were not playing well you did fool us when we were lawyer hunting
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ScareChan
10/12/18 1:04:33 AM
178
or at least me, I campaigned hard for it
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DoubleTangicide
10/12/18 1:08:38 AM
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I appreciate it Hahaha

I played a rather shit game though
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ScareChan
10/12/18 1:12:46 AM
180
You said "I am not letting Chris die today" and Red shit on you all day

I was like oh fuuuuuuuuuu
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htaeD
10/12/18 3:17:33 AM
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masterplum posted...
Also I think town was underpowered


Yes
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htaeD
10/12/18 3:18:34 AM
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Ok, I'm on fire now, so I'm just going to throw this on.

@Shaduln @DoubleTangicide @htaeD @IfGodCouldDie

If Han tells you that Scare is 100% Scum... THEN SCARE IS 100% SCUM. If Han tells you that Dowolf is almost certainly Scum along with him... THEN YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

ESPECIALLY when you find out that my role was CAN SEE WHAT CHRIS SAYS IN THE DEAD PLAYERS CHAT. like HOLY FUCKING HELL

Ok, with that off my chest, I'm just going to leave you all with quote from Dels, a respected mafia player:

"Town needs to learn to listen to people who know what they're doing".


Hey you calledme scum too!
Also I was going after dowolf at least. Untilthe Mzero thing happened
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Leafeon13N
10/12/18 4:02:50 AM
183
htaeD posted...
masterplum posted...
Also I think town was underpowered


Yes


No. Town power just got chopped down early and scum didn't exactly have a lot going for it. Consider the only thing we really used at all was a 1 time blockable extra kill.

Town also underutilized what power it had. Their best power was squandered or killed. The game actually played out as low power vs low power.
htaeD
10/12/18 4:10:24 AM
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Nevertheless the potential for scum overpowering town was there much more than vice versa.
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red13n
10/12/18 5:22:43 AM
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htaeD posted...
Nevertheless the potential for scum overpowering town was there much more than vice versa.


i think you underestimate how strong some of towns roles were(The redirect) and are maybe ignoring the fact that lawyer wasn't traditional b8 lawyer. It was literally just a lynch-chooser(Do we have a name for this?) and had none of the gambling involved with typical lawyer.

I don't think scum had all that much of anything. Roleswapper was as I stated immediately on the scum board, pretty much entirely useless. If dowolf dies at any point, we are crippled(My biggest fear this game was blade deciding to try because he wanted dowolf dead for days). Scare's role was very limiting and to use properly would require near suiciding.

The only strong role we had was roleblocker and our dragon-holder(And town had a similar working role to this). Extra kill is just standard at this point(And in an even numbered game, does not decrease the mislynch number necessary for triggering win condition).
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htaeD
10/12/18 5:28:45 AM
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The lawyer can still wind up lynching town though. It doesnt really change the balance anyway.

Like, there were a lot of fun ideas, and scum had some really good hits while town had a lot of useless hits. (Sbell was great though) But it all came together in a very volatile package that I would have tweaked just a little bit. And no matter what, I would never give scum 2 extra killing roles.

And the extra kill did decrease the mislynch number needed. Mostly because killing MI was also an extra kill.
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htaeD
10/12/18 5:37:05 AM
187
But really the biggest problem was town acting too smart for their own good or not enough (like me <.<)
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Obellisk
10/12/18 8:15:39 AM
188
Yeah I thought for sure igcd was scum. I was wrong but that's not my fault.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/12/18 8:22:17 AM
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@htaeD and @Shaduln is there anyway I convince either of you I am not scum in that final day? I feel like death, you could have been swayed with more time.
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Neablis
10/12/18 9:47:29 AM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
@htaeD and @Shaduln is there anyway I convince either of you I am not scum in that final day? I feel like death, you could have been swayed with more time.


I know I was not asked exactly, but if I could give some feedback.

You partially buried yourself for portions of the day, you attacked me for instance about my checks and about how they could be lies. I felt while this might be true from your perspective in how I was attempting to bury you, it did not really help your case to be town nor did it help your case to escape lynch. It in fact made people more focused on you in a negative light.

Also just from an outside perspective, while you were right on the scum team (and they were burying you granted), you were really not exactly pushing them to your fullest. It felt like you were screaming they were scum but without trying to convince people in that situation. It was not all your fault as you were right but you failed in the convincing angle.

There were doubts about your claim, however I felt like in hindsight that you lacked motivation as scum to claim there. Scum ninja would never claim ninja, and the town really never tackled the motivation behind your claim, all it did was put you in a bad light without it beneifiting you in any way. I feel like this aspect was mostly on town for not realizing the miller aspect, and as we talked about in the game you were really defeatist whenever people went slightly against you, which I do understand being worn down under constant attacks.

When you tried IGCD I thought you were super towny but when you were going in that idc just lynch me mode it was hard to really see town motivation under the scrutiny.
htaeD
10/12/18 9:50:55 AM
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(For one thing, you should have claimed your real role right away.)

It would have helped if you clarified that the hostage stuff was something you got from town, and not from your role PM. Also you really should have focused on the players voting you, even though that would have allowed Plum to escape.

But I think, even if you did convince me. Blade and Tange's non presence slowed me down too much to do anything about it.
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masterplum
10/12/18 10:02:27 AM
192
You were too abrasive imo. Your attacks let me easily play the Not dealing with this crap card
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masterplum
10/12/18 10:03:21 AM
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Also your out of the blue claim early on followed by inactivity was a death knell

You needed to be that active day 2
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masterplum
10/12/18 10:08:14 AM
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HanOfTheNekos
10/12/18 10:36:24 AM
195
htaeD posted...
Ok, I'm on fire now, so I'm just going to throw this on.

@Shaduln @DoubleTangicide @htaeD @IfGodCouldDie

If Han tells you that Scare is 100% Scum... THEN SCARE IS 100% SCUM. If Han tells you that Dowolf is almost certainly Scum along with him... THEN YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

ESPECIALLY when you find out that my role was CAN SEE WHAT CHRIS SAYS IN THE DEAD PLAYERS CHAT. like HOLY FUCKING HELL

Ok, with that off my chest, I'm just going to leave you all with quote from Dels, a respected mafia player:

"Town needs to learn to listen to people who know what they're doing".


Hey you calledme scum too!
Also I was going after dowolf at least. Untilthe Mzero thing happened


I was pushing in your direction, but the abrupt nature in which I showed up, said "Sheep is not Scum, but here's a splinter that I guarantee is 100% Scum" should have turned some heads.

That wasn't a random play. I knew Scare was Scum. I was 95% sure Sheep wasn't.

People need to learn to fear Hangut again. When I say I find people on their first post of the game, I'm not lying. Tony in Chris mafia, Ulti in Hearthstone Mafia... Scare only pinged my gut in this game because I was rushing to catch up the entire day 1, but after having some time to settle in, I had him pinned.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/12/18 10:53:03 AM
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htaeD posted...
(For one thing, you should have claimed your real role right away.)

It would have helped if you clarified that the hostage stuff was something you got from town, and not from your role PM. Also you really should have focused on the players voting you, even though that would have allowed Plum to escape.

But I think, even if you did convince me. Blade and Tange's non presence slowed me down too much to do anything about it.

I did clarify that like 4 or five times and asked who in the books was holding them hostage everytime lol.
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Leafeon13N
10/12/18 2:24:14 PM
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htaeD posted...
The lawyer can still wind up lynching town though. It doesnt really change the balance anyway.

Like, there were a lot of fun ideas, and scum had some really good hits while town had a lot of useless hits. (Sbell was great though) But it all came together in a very volatile package that I would have tweaked just a little bit. And no matter what, I would never give scum 2 extra killing roles.

And the extra kill did decrease the mislynch number needed. Mostly because killing MI was also an extra kill.


Uhh you exchange a mislynch for confirming yourself town.
Obellisk
10/12/18 3:00:01 PM
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Leafeon13N posted...
htaeD posted...
The lawyer can still wind up lynching town though. It doesnt really change the balance anyway.

Like, there were a lot of fun ideas, and scum had some really good hits while town had a lot of useless hits. (Sbell was great though) But it all came together in a very volatile package that I would have tweaked just a little bit. And no matter what, I would never give scum 2 extra killing roles.

And the extra kill did decrease the mislynch number needed. Mostly because killing MI was also an extra kill.


Uhh you exchange a mislynch for confirming yourself town.


Except I chose to not confirm myself...
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red13n
10/12/18 3:05:27 PM
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Obellisk posted...
Except I chose to not confirm myself...


You were essentially confirmed though. In fact, not confirming yourself is 100% the correct play. You are unlynchable and can draw out scum with seedy motives.

You always have the ability to say "I'm 100% confirmed town fuck you guys we are lynching X".

And then X should be lynched.
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Suprak the Stud
10/12/18 4:39:55 PM
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Yeah I think town was greatly underestimating how good some of their power was (and overestimating scum...for some reason). People were complaining about how powerful scum was when all that had flipped was a RB and the role swapper, which is beyond bizarre.

Like red pointed out, in probably 50-75% of games role swapper is useless. It was included because of how powerful Dany's role was and I didn't want that randomly getting stuck on some dead weight player. It would allow scum to swap it over to whoever they felt was deepest but in a lot of games (like this) you may just keep it on whoever rolled it. Plum was literally (and not just functionally!) a vanilla. The GF in this set up but it isn't like he had special powers and obviously being a vanilla doesn't even clear you. Scare was useful but very limited. Like I pointed out there were only four total town roles that moved and two of them should have no reason to target scare if they're playing well. Plus town had a full time poison doc.

Their best two roles were bp roleblocker (obviously strong but fairly standard and nothing crazy) and Dany's role. The ninja vig was awesome, the double vote was obviously huge (but again not overpowered because town knew it was a scum vote - look how scared scum was to use it at all) but mostly for parity. The obliterate skill was very difficult to use and was mostly just there to let scum know "uh hey there might be something going on with the DVC".

Keep in mind scum had NO strongman and NO scanning. It may feel like it because of how good their kills were, but that was pure good play and detective work on their part (plus some luck)

Vs town who had watcher (very powerful and scum only has a one use ninja vig to counter - think how powerful watcher is in most games where roleblocker is alive and blocking claimed town power) and a rolecop (secondary scanning, but could confirm almost all of town's unique roles as being what that person claimed. Scum had vanilla for gf and town had ninja for miller, but rolecop tends to be more powerful than cop where innocent and guilty can be argued about more that "oh uh you scan as role swapper care to explain?")

Plus SBell with a permanent kill redirect AND a restriction free lawyer (that doesn't even kill him if he's wrong!). And Chris who was an every day jail keep or poison doctor. AND MI who had a double vote and could hide it so as to not draw attention to himself.

Not even to mention town's best role: Han. Han got killed because of his whole "yeah I'm just going to steamroll the scum team here" but if that got put on a different player it could be killer. Scum can't bury scans. They can't bury strong town voices. Imagine a scenario where they blind kill the rolecop or watcher on night 3 say, before they claim. Normally thats a "shucks three scans lost". Not if Han is alive. He gets those scans AND if scum knows who a scanner is, they have to effective roleblock + kill or obliterate to stop that from getting out.

If anything I thought scum might be underpowered!

The fact they were overpowered came from the fact it was literally red, plum, dowolf, Scare, and ben. Like, that's fucking overpowered right there. It was who they were and not what they were that decimated town.

Plus town gets no sympathy for lynching their literally claimed scanner day 3 with half the game dead and no scanners claimed.
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