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Suprak the Stud 10/12/18 4:42:30 PM #201: |
I think it was dowolf who said that it wasn't unbalanced so much as it had the potential to snowball, which is absolutely true. I took that in mind and tried to put in some protections for that, but that was part of the design of the game (for example, both Ghost and Viserion got stronger the better their faction was doing).
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Suprak the Stud 10/12/18 4:45:42 PM #202: |
Also, trying to complain about the balance doesn't give scum enough credit because they absolutely steam rolled here in a way I'm not sure I've ever seen. Without the lawyer this game is maybe the worst rout of all time.
They convinced town to lynch their best player (AND protection) day 1 and to lynch their scanner (with 0 other scanners claimed) day 3. That is incredible. That's top tier manipulation. Scum drove the lynch onto Chris and town bought it. Then dowolf buried MZero with a great (but fake) case and town bought it. Scum got almost zero of their powers to work this game other than the ninja vig and the double vote (which again was known scum and scum didn't even use it most days). That's the power that came into play. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 10/12/18 5:09:13 PM #203: |
I think going forward i'm just going to auto lynch Plum in every game.
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ScareChan 10/12/18 5:14:29 PM #204: |
And for what it's worth, besides red calling for plum to be modkill day 1 because we thought he was blind
We as a team agreed to kill ben because we felt it was cheap And we as a team asked not to modkill igcd or blade so game could continue We talked about it! And we did say pirate crossed the line. But otherwise yeah, we wanted game to go on --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 5:15:52 PM #205: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
Also, trying to complain about the balance doesn't give scum enough credit because they absolutely steam rolled here in a way I'm not sure I've ever seen. Without the lawyer this game is maybe the worst rout of all time. If red unvotes before his switch to chris day 1 I dont think sbell lawyers because chris campaign of red came in overtime. So we keep red and ben in that case. It would have been interesting --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 10/12/18 5:16:56 PM #206: |
ScareChan posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...Also, trying to complain about the balance doesn't give scum enough credit because they absolutely steam rolled here in a way I'm not sure I've ever seen. Without the lawyer this game is maybe the worst rout of all time. Wrong. I was prepared to Lawyer after the vote regardless. What rang out for me was Chris's comment of "I dont trust Red" and wasn't that before his wall? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 5:37:20 PM #207: |
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Obellisk 10/12/18 5:39:32 PM #208: |
ScareChan posted...
No chris said donr trust red in overtime Are you sure? I could have sworn it was like 30 minutes before deadline. Regardless, a hammer like that at the buzzer from someone that was barely a presence all of day 1. I think the Lawyer happens. But we'll never know. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dels 10/12/18 5:48:05 PM #209: |
ScareChan posted...
And for what it's worth, besides red calling for plum to be modkill day 1 because we thought he was blind this is really nice and it sounds like you guys had respectable conversations but the rules should be changed in such a way that the host a) doesn't have to modkill as many people and b) where it's clearcut enough that players in the game shouldn't really have to give their opinion on it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 10/12/18 6:04:31 PM #210: |
I guess we agree to disagree. In my eyes Scum was overpowered.
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Dels 10/12/18 6:06:01 PM #211: |
ultimately it doesn't matter (except in the theoretical) which side had more power because i don't think it can be argued that scum would've ever deserved to lose this game, based on how they played
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ScareChan 10/12/18 6:09:32 PM #212: |
Imagine a world where neablis targets me, I poison him, they deduce it's because he targets me and lynch me
Because he is poisoned anyways they night kill blade who is redirected to dowolf Like overpowered goes both ways when it can just as easily trap us --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 10/12/18 6:10:54 PM #213: |
htaeD posted...
I guess we agree to disagree. In my eyes Scum was overpowered. From my point of view the Jedi are evil. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 10/12/18 6:16:01 PM #214: |
Snowballing is I suppose a fair way to word it, though it could have gone even worse for us.
I just cant imagine a game lost in 3 mislynches. I never do, and that partially cost me. Also scumpower always has an inherent advantage over townpower. I suppose in the end, it was impossible to foresee all this.. --- 3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 10/12/18 6:30:25 PM #215: |
I dont want to give the impression I am mad at Suprak either. I am just a bit depressed.
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ScareChan 10/12/18 7:07:33 PM #216: |
This was close to the strongest scum team you could have. Like the next highest configuration is "dream" level. And I dont know if suprak rerolls that or not
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ScareChan 10/12/18 7:09:02 PM #217: |
I'm trying to think of a town core I would need to take down red, chris, blade, han scum team
Leo, mi, dels. I'm not sure who else I could count on after that --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Neablis 10/12/18 7:37:46 PM #218: |
There are a couple of things to take into account I feel with setup, the first is that town really did end up screwing around to much.
Chris aside as even if he isnt up for lynch d1 he would of been ninja nk n1 anyway. I think thats obvious. I didnt feel like the game was super unbalanced tbh at this point. I played my role badly d3 with my check, we had a harris modkill himself randomly for no reason. Our lawyer was the only reason we really made it any closer and it felt like near the end town was trying to modkill itself. I think we misused our powers and if we would of lynched scare earlier for example or we had not went insane on the mzero lynch the game would of been different I believe. Or at least as stated underestimated what we could do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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neonreaper 10/12/18 9:57:12 PM #219: |
ScareChan posted...
I'm trying to think of a town core I would need to take down red, chris, blade, han scum team Maaaaaybe Spiral. But that could backfire --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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neonreaper 10/12/18 9:58:14 PM #220: |
And thats maybe the one game that Ulti would be helpful in tbh.
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ScareChan 10/12/18 9:59:00 PM #221: |
Dels and Spiral could take down Chris
me and MI could take down Red me and Leo could take down Han Leo and MI could take down Blade yeah I think I like it --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:00:09 PM #222: |
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Lolo_Guru 10/12/18 10:01:50 PM #223: |
ScareChan posted...
man now I have shitty fan fiction of hunting down The Dream in my head quick write it down --- Lolo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:06:44 PM #224: |
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DoomTheGyarados 10/12/18 10:11:47 PM #225: |
ScareChan posted...
Dels and Spiral could take down Chris Nope. --- Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dels 10/12/18 10:13:57 PM #226: |
I agree Spiral couldn't take down Chris.
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DoomTheGyarados 10/12/18 10:16:25 PM #227: |
I could probably head fuck dels too. We have chatted a lot.
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Dels 10/12/18 10:23:53 PM #228: |
Can't headfuck the other 13 townies into not being townie though.
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:28:44 PM #229: |
Chris you forget towns biggest asset
you giving us one of you up anyways >_> --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:31:17 PM #230: |
also I was thinking even if Dowolf gets scanned he scans as Jack of all Trades, so if Miz scans him he doesnt give him up. I dont think town ever gets dowolf. I think he switches from defending me to defending dowolf if he lives and town turns his way
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benjamin3740 10/12/18 10:41:03 PM #231: |
ScareChan posted...
Dels and Spiral could take down Chris I could take down Ben --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lolo_Guru 10/12/18 10:44:49 PM #232: |
benjamin3740 posted...
##vote: ben Lynch all liars. --- Lolo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red13n 10/12/18 10:46:57 PM #233: |
ScareChan posted...
Dels and Spiral could take down Chris its not just about individual takedowns though. You have to do the takedown with all of these people pulling you in the other direction. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MZero11 10/12/18 10:47:24 PM #234: |
ScareChan posted...
also I was thinking even if Dowolf gets scanned he scans as Jack of all Trades, so if Miz scans him he doesnt give him up. I dont think town ever gets dowolf. I think he switches from defending me to defending dowolf if he lives and town turns his way wait how did I even end up getting roleblocked anyway? --- MZero, to the extreme "2017 Guru champ BKSheikah is racist against cute Pokemon." - Luster ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:47:31 PM #235: |
benjamin3740 posted...
ScareChan posted...Dels and Spiral could take down Chris got emmmmmm --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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benjamin3740 10/12/18 10:48:01 PM #236: |
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted... *stands on edge of building* Don't make me do it! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:48:22 PM #237: |
MZero11 posted...
ScareChan posted...also I was thinking even if Dowolf gets scanned he scans as Jack of all Trades, so if Miz scans him he doesnt give him up. I dont think town ever gets dowolf. I think he switches from defending me to defending dowolf if he lives and town turns his way every lynch of a townie the dragon gained an ability. The first one got him a one time roleblock for whoever targeted him, the next one he became godfather --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:50:20 PM #238: |
red13n posted...
ScareChan posted...Dels and Spiral could take down Chris Right but I am just trying to think of a team that could actually contend with that scum team. And I would take those guys to at least have a chance to read them as scum. They would still need to find town core, survive, and actually follow through, but they would give a chance to beat you guys What town do you think would have the highest chance to beat that scum team? Even if you say its a 1% chance or something comically low, what team would have the strongest chance --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 10/12/18 10:57:23 PM #239: |
ScareChan posted...
red13n posted...ScareChan posted...Dels and Spiral could take down Chris A team with me on it, but I will have alienated myself so badly that we lose. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 10/12/18 10:57:37 PM #240: |
I'm not as good as Scum as I used to be.
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ScareChan 10/12/18 10:58:35 PM #241: |
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Dels 10/12/18 11:00:13 PM #242: |
scare do you ever even role town
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MZero11 10/12/18 11:05:25 PM #243: |
HanOfTheNekos posted...
I'm not as good as Scum as I used to be. I mean last time you were scum you were too good and the hider targeted you! I think literally no one suspected you outside of that --- MZero, to the extreme "2017 Guru champ BKSheikah is racist against cute Pokemon." - Luster ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 11:15:31 PM #244: |
Dels posted...
scare do you ever even role town MU I have been scum 3 games in a row not counting mash. I really need a break but for what its worth this has probably been my best scum streak ever. Frostpunk was my best scum team I have ever been in. This game was the strongest team I have been on at board 8 and we played amazing. And Star Trek I think I had my best single performance running the table after going down 3 scum in 3 days to win. I wanted to link to it in game but I didnt want anyone looking at it and seeing any potential similiarities. But having the entire game voting me and coming back was an incredible feeling. I still think I should be nommed for that <_< --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/12/18 11:17:49 PM #245: |
but the one game inbetween those at mu where I was scum I got shit on and killed day 1 where half the game hammered me at end of day 1 so take that for what its worth lol
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ScareChan 10/12/18 11:21:40 PM #246: |
also games like this where I last so long as scum always make me so confused like last game where I was lynched day 1 as cop
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red13n 10/12/18 11:48:47 PM #247: |
ScareChan posted...
red13n posted...ScareChan posted...Dels and Spiral could take down Chris hmm thats going to take some thinking, because you need to outnumber us, and you have to eliminate pointless sheep like plum because he'd just become a vote in our favor. First off, you need FD. And not I sign up even though I can only play from the hours of 2am to 3am FD. FD knows me and chris. If he actually puts effort and interacts and reads the game, he becomes an immediate threat. Two, you need swirldude to come out of retirement and give it his best. Hes not the best player out there but he loves reading down the big names. One of the biggest things you need here are people that arent just going to sheep one of us. Leo isnt going to give enough independent thought. No offense, but with chris saying i'm town, and me saying chris is town. Leo is going to vote whoever the hell chris tells him. Especially day 1. And day 1 is absolutely the most important day in a situation like this. Its not just lynching scum you need, but even if you dont lynch scum you cant let scum choose who they take off the board. Pick Spiral up, pick Dels up I guess. Got to do some more thinking for the rest. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 10/13/18 12:00:42 AM #248: |
I pondered Alec and Atma but I think they would end up being more... deterrents than helpful
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ScareChan 10/13/18 12:37:55 AM #249: |
also for curiosity sake who rounds out the 'dream' for this game
red, chris, blade then is it han and plum or do I get to wiggle in --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 10/13/18 12:39:12 AM #250: |
Dels posted...
Can't headfuck the other 13 townies into not being townie though. Kill you night 1 --- Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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