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Espeon
10/11/18 2:19:40 PM
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New York has extremely strict gun laws, the biggest city in the country, and one of the lowest per capita rates of gun homicides in the country. Alaska has almost no regulations, no cities of merit, and one of the HIGHEST per capita rates of gun homicide in the country.
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GuessMyUserName
10/11/18 2:22:49 PM
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are we really opening a new poli topic with MWC pasted at the top
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Knight13
10/11/18 2:26:25 PM
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Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Or option 3, which ISNT the racist option youre going for: states with gun regulations have higher population density in cities and thus regardless of racial make-up are more likely to feature gun violence.

Meanwhile, extremely lax gun regulations in states like Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, have much higher rates of gun violence per capita.


Except Houston exists....

So 3 is dead.

It is now officially one or two

Either gun laws prompt gun violence in America (shown by every study ever) or you can go the city make up route.


New York has extremely strict gun laws, the biggest city in the country, and one of the lowest per capita rates of gun homicides in the country. Alaska has almost no regulations, no cities of merit, and one of the HIGHEST per capita rates of gun homicide in the country.


Its all violent crime, not just gun homicide. Also Id like to see the stats on NYNY
GuessMyUserName
10/11/18 2:27:44 PM
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alright we can scrap this topic
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XIII_rocks
10/11/18 2:29:07 PM
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1050425941460172801?s=19

Honestly, I almost respect Trump for this?

It's maybe the first time the "money vs morals" dichotomy of associating with Saudi has been laid out so plainly by a leading political figure. Let the people decide.

Unless that figure is wrong. But even so.
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HashtagSEP
10/11/18 2:49:57 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
are we really opening a new poli topic with MWC pasted at the top


Yeah could somebody make a new topic so I can just block Inviso too

Literally starting out a topic arguing with MWC is the dumbest thing
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LapisLazuli
10/11/18 2:50:09 PM
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Peace___Frog
10/11/18 2:53:01 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
are we really opening a new poli topic with MWC pasted at the top

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Mr Lasastryke
10/11/18 2:53:07 PM
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shall i make a new topic starting with an extensive examination of red sox' reasons for why the dems lost
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Knight13
10/11/18 2:54:25 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
shall i make a new topic starting with an extensive examination of red sox' reasons for why the dems lost


Would you like one with an extensive examination of why you might not even pick up double digit house seats?
Panthera
10/11/18 3:06:46 PM
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Let's make a new topic and close it immediately so there's no risk of "undesirables" getting quoted in it
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CoolCly
10/11/18 4:42:34 PM
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4536509/u-s-wont-ban-canadian-pot-workers/

phew

as a canadian pot worker going to blizzcon in a few weeks, i was legitimately concerned about this ban


So I posted this in the last topic

i'm actually curious, how do americans generally view the fact that cannabis is legal in Canada next week?

Brief background on me: I'm an accountant for a large chain of liquor stores in Canada. With marijuana legalization happening, it seemed obvious to us to expand into that market as the regulations are very similar and we already have relationships with the government agencies that will be controlling the market.

We've actually had a lot of red tape issues with the US Government being rather hostile to companies associating with the business, as it's viewed as "international criminal activity". My company has holdings in US liquor companies, so there's issues with us moving money between our operations. If we take money from our US operations, they see it as "funding international criminal activity". If we move money down, then those operations are now "funded by international criminal activity." And we've had issues working with big vendors like banks that don't want to work with us because they are worried about getting heat from the US government too.

And then there's been this thing where we could get banned or even detained when entering the US because of our ties to cannabis.

So how does the average American view this stuff? Do you guys think it's weird Canada is legalizing weed? Do you see the companies in that industry as criminals? Am I the bad guy?

I'm sure a lot of people here are pro legalization, but I know there's some staunch anti weed legalization advocates around here like Sephg.
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MoogleKupo141
10/11/18 4:51:08 PM
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I think literally everyone I know is in favor of making weed legal

but I live in a liberal millennial bubble, so I dunno what like some lame-o old person from Arkansas might think
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Inviso
10/11/18 5:19:58 PM
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I really don't see the purpose behind continuing to keep weed criminalized, beyond just maintaining the racism that led to it being criminalized in the first place. We overturned prohibition, and alcohol is FAR more harmful to your health (and the health of others, if you're someone that goes drunk driving) than weed will ever be.
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Kenri
10/11/18 5:22:49 PM
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CoolCly posted...
i'm actually curious, how do americans generally view the fact that cannabis is legal in Canada next week?

I guarantee that the average American isn't even aware of this, or of any of the other issues you brought up.
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StealThisSheen
10/11/18 5:53:34 PM
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Inviso posted...
and alcohol is FAR more harmful to your health (and the health of others, if you're someone that goes drunk driving) than weed will ever be.


While I don't disagree with the overall message, driving high is pretty equatable to driving drunk. Neither should be happening.
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CoolCly
10/11/18 5:56:12 PM
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Good point SEP. I know a lot of dudes who think driving high is normal. To be honest, it's one of my biggest reasons for supporting legalization, so that driving high can be come more of a public discussion point like driving drunk is. It's not something people talk about because "you aren't supposed to smoke weed to begin with"
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Panthera
10/11/18 5:58:47 PM
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Yeah my one real concern with legalization is the driving issue, I fear we're going to see an influx of accidents caused by people driving high because they just don't realize it's dangerous. Might have to suffer through it for a while before the message starts getting across to people
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Eddv
10/11/18 6:00:48 PM
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I have no opinion on pot legalization.
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Reg
10/11/18 6:02:16 PM
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I think it's utterly asinine that pot is illegal and alcohol isn't.
Shaduln
10/11/18 6:03:31 PM
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Panthera posted...
Yeah my one real concern with legalization is the driving issue, I fear we're going to see an influx of accidents caused by people driving high because they just don't realize it's dangerous. Might have to suffer through it for a while before the message starts getting across to people

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/what-marijuana-legalization-did-to-car-accident-rates/?utm_term=.82cdf87e3e68

Basically it apparently increases accidents by a small amount, but not fatal accidents. Dunno if there's more updated stats.
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Eddv
10/11/18 6:11:53 PM
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The methodology on that report makes no attempt to control for the actual pot smoking population and is basically useless as evidence.
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CoolCly
10/11/18 6:15:44 PM
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what does the pot smoking population need to be controlled for?
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pxlated
10/11/18 6:17:25 PM
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CoolCly posted...
what does the pot smoking population need to be controlled for?


time management
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Eddv
10/11/18 6:18:29 PM
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CoolCly posted...
what does the pot smoking population need to be controlled for?


You would need to survey people who smoked pot in Colorado not just survey accidents in Colorado and see if there was an increase of any kind. It would probably have to be a longer term study.

Correlation isn't causation after all. Accidents might have gone up for any number of reasons
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TheRock1525
10/11/18 6:20:01 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45818267

Hahahahahahahahaha...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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CoolCly
10/11/18 6:25:33 PM
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Eddv posted...
CoolCly posted...
what does the pot smoking population need to be controlled for?


You would need to survey people who smoked pot in Colorado not just survey accidents in Colorado and see if there was an increase of any kind. It would probably have to be a longer term study.

Correlation isn't causation after all. Accidents might have gone up for any number of reasons


Correlation isn't causation, but that doesn't mean that studies that examine results after a change are useless. they just aren't definitive.

this is repeated way too often on board 8
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Eddv
10/11/18 6:40:46 PM
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Its effectively useless.

It tells you one fact. To extrapolate or base public policy around that fact whose utility in answering the question at hand is questionable at best is wildly irresponsible.
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LapisLazuli
10/11/18 6:45:25 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45818267

Hahahahahahahahaha...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Well.

NOW she will be.
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Reg
10/11/18 8:32:27 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/11/republicans-may-be-about-to-steal-an-election-in-georgia/

I think everybody here basically knows this story already. If you don't, please read. The headline simultaneously sums it up and does nto do it nearly enough justice.
LordoftheMorons
10/11/18 8:41:10 PM
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Reg posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/11/republicans-may-be-about-to-steal-an-election-in-georgia/

I think everybody here basically knows this story already. If you don't, please read. The headline simultaneously sums it up and does nto do it nearly enough justice.

One thing Ive seen noted (which doesnt make the story any less gross, but is important to emphasize) is that people being held up by the exact match bullshit can still vote if they bring a valid ID. Its really important that these people dont stay home because they think they cant vote at all when they still can if they jump through the stupid and unnecessary hoop.
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NFUN
10/11/18 8:41:34 PM
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CoolCly posted...
Eddv posted...
CoolCly posted...
what does the pot smoking population need to be controlled for?


You would need to survey people who smoked pot in Colorado not just survey accidents in Colorado and see if there was an increase of any kind. It would probably have to be a longer term study.

Correlation isn't causation after all. Accidents might have gone up for any number of reasons


Correlation isn't causation, but that doesn't mean that studies that examine results after a change are useless. they just aren't definitive.

this is repeated way too often on board 8

it means that they're pretty useless yeah
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Kenri
10/11/18 8:45:53 PM
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It's a data point against people who claimed the sky would fall, at least.

*shrug*
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Knight13
10/11/18 9:52:26 PM
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Reg posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/11/republicans-may-be-about-to-steal-an-election-in-georgia/

I think everybody here basically knows this story already. If you don't, please read. The headline simultaneously sums it up and does nto do it nearly enough justice.


How is this replicated on a federal level? What position do we need? We need to make it more difficult to vote, not easier. Ive said for years the worst thing ever (that idiots want) is for voting to be online. 1: because flat out Dems will cheat. Point blank period, there is no way this can be done that they wont continue to cheat, only now much easier. But more important 2: If you are not willing to put even the smallest effort into voting, you almost assuredly have no idea what ANYONE stands for or against, and are just voting for whats popular and or you were told to do by some idiot celebrity.

And there is pretty much ZERO way an illegal can vote with Exact match.
Inviso
10/11/18 10:00:14 PM
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Just to be clear...

When it comes to rape accusations, it's vital that we ensure no innocent man is ever punished, to the point where 94 guilty men go free.

But when it comes to voter fraud, it's important to fuck over plenty of innocent voters just to ensure that "illegals" don't cast ballots (without evidence that they're doing so.)

Is that what you're saying, because that's what it seems like you're saying?
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Knight13
10/11/18 10:19:45 PM
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Inviso posted...
Just to be clear...

When it comes to rape accusations, it's vital that we ensure no innocent man is ever punished, to the point where 94 guilty men go free.

But when it comes to voter fraud, it's important to fuck over plenty of innocent voters just to ensure that "illegals" don't cast ballots (without evidence that they're doing so.)

Is that what you're saying, because that's what it seems like you're saying?


Are you comparing not voting to 20 years of prison....? Stop doing that.

And I said all crimes. Rape is a crime. But it wasnt specific.

There is PLENTY of evidence of illegals voting. And they were just thrown in, the real thing I am on here is having voting have a slight one nconvenience for everyone. I personally want to have it where it takes mandatory 3 hours to register to vote. Make it so the voters have quote unquote earned it.
Knight13
10/11/18 10:20:33 PM
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(Except Military, they obviously already no quotes needed earned it)
Eddv
10/11/18 10:27:12 PM
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Again reminder, this is MWC who is unapologetically a white nationalist and reactionary.
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Eddv
10/11/18 10:30:18 PM
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You've been a white nationalist long before it was cool. Embrace it.
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Knight13
10/11/18 10:32:16 PM
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Eddv posted...
You've been a white nationalist long before it was cool. Embrace it.


Care to share how?

Im absolutely hard core America first, second, and thirty fourth. Its not nor never has been our job to care about the rest of the world. So yeah, Patriot
Eddv
10/11/18 10:35:34 PM
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Knight13 posted...
Eddv posted...
You've been a white nationalist long before it was cool. Embrace it.


Care to share how?

Im absolutely hard core America first, second, and thirty fourth. Its not nor never has been our job to care about the rest of the world. So yeah, Patriot


Yeah between that and your blatant racism and lack of respect for things like "fair democratic processes" in return for "stacking the deck for the sake of what I think is best for AMERICA"
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Knight13
10/11/18 10:39:32 PM
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Eddv posted...
Knight13 posted...
Eddv posted...
You've been a white nationalist long before it was cool. Embrace it.


Care to share how?

Im absolutely hard core America first, second, and thirty fourth. Its not nor never has been our job to care about the rest of the world. So yeah, Patriot


Yeah between that and your blatant racism and lack of respect for things like "fair democratic processes" in return for "stacking the deck for the sake of what I think is best for AMERICA"


I dont see how making every one wait in 3 hour lines is somehow stacking the deck, except low info voters vote D at a FRIGHTENING degree, and your voter block is lazy as shit and scared by rain (while Republican voter blocks go out in monsoon type weather) so they wouldnt do it. But thats not against any group specifically.
Eddv
10/11/18 10:54:23 PM
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You have in the past said that any means necessary to ensure a 50 year Republican Majority was justified because Democrats were that Dangerous.

Not sure how else you would interpret such a stance.
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LetsGoSquirtle7
10/11/18 10:59:48 PM
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Eddv posted...
You have in the past said that any means necessary to ensure a 50 year Republican Majority was justified because Democrats were that Dangerous.

Not sure how else you would interpret such a stance.


Ive never said to outright take votes.

Ive just said I have no problem with grouping them together so they mean less. Strategy. And also what the founding fathers intended.
UltimaterializerX
10/11/18 11:01:52 PM
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MWC, I missed you bro.

It's great how censorship just makes us stronger, isn't it?
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LetsGoSquirtle7
10/11/18 11:03:03 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
MWC, I missed you bro.

It's great how censorship just makes us stronger, isn't it?


I look forward to November 7th like you cant believe. The day after is going to be better than sex.
LapisLazuli
10/11/18 11:05:47 PM
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Will you people please stop talking to these fucking morons.
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UltimaterializerX
10/11/18 11:26:16 PM
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Actual things that CNN called Kanye West today:

"negro who can't read"
"token negro"

These are exact quotes. I refuse to even link to the videos because those people don't deserve the hits. They're very, very easy to find though.

The left's blatant racism toward black conservatives is why I laugh at their constant race baiting bull. They in no way care about minorities past getting their vote. Today should have been the ultimate proof to anyone with a lick of sense. If you want to see the most vile racism out there, go read Candace Owens' twitter responses. I already knew this was the dark side of the democratic party, but seeing it go 100% mainstream today, in a weird way, was nice. They can't pretend to not be vile racists anymore.

And I felt equally sick over the Obama lynch effigies, so don't even try.
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LetsGoSquirtle7
10/11/18 11:28:19 PM
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The party that tried to save slavery and did everything possible to stop civil rights....
UltimaterializerX
10/11/18 11:31:02 PM
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Yep. People don't know their history. LBJ's letters are public record.
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