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ZenOfThunder
10/12/18 4:08:52 PM
#51:


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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 4:57:22 PM
#52:


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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 8:22:49 PM
#53:


Division 4 Match 1
2B vs. Cayde-6


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6945-best-of-2017-playstation-4
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6113-best-game-ever-day-16-starcraft-vs-destiny

Hey, I remember Cayde from what I played of Destiny 2. He was the one character they tried to inject some personality in! And he still sucked.

Mewtwo may be a fraud but I don't think he's as big of a fraud as 2B's 1 Seed status is. She would've gotten in anyway even without winning the NRT, but a 1 Seed is pretty bonkers compared to what her actual strength is going to be. GameFAQs liked Nier Automata but it didn't like it that much, and it's really only 2B's overall status as one of the breakout character (designs) of recent years that is going to give her any great deal of strength.

She's still going to coast past the potential weakest character in this bracket. If Destiny the game was awful, just how bad do you think Destiny characters are going to be?

Result:
2B - 80%
Cayde - 20%

2B has a 100% chance of winning

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Division 4 Match 2
Shadow the Hedgehog vs. Ness


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3735-hyrule-division-round-1-amaterasu-vs-shadow
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5239-character-battle-ix-division-5-round-2-shadow-vs-leon-vs

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3824-jenova-division-round-2-big-daddy-vs-ness
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5166-character-battle-ix-division-3-round-1-cats-vs-ness-vs-locke

This match is like Tidus/DK except way tougher. Both Shadow and Ness have a tendency to get in close matches and put on really weird performances. They have the occasional wacky upset but mostly they choke. Both can compete but neither can compete. Not on any level that matters. Ness is, at least to me, the character who have to beat to be able to be called to be called a true midcarder and not just that weird gray area between low midcarder and high fodder. If you can cleanly beat Ness then people can start paying attention to you in contests.

The fact that Shadow might still lose this match is, frankly speaking, immensely embarrassing. Shadow used to be legit. Remember this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1345-south-division-round-2-mario-vs-shadow-the-hedgehog

Shadow used to be cool. He used to be hip. He used to tickle the hearts of the teen boys that dominated GameFAQs back in the day. Unfortunately for Shadow, the same thing happened to him that happened to Vincent: GameFAQs grew up. Edgey became embarrassing. Losing to Amaterasu was the turning point where people realized that Shadow simply couldn't compete like he used to. There was no 4-way madness to blame there, he just...lost. He looked weaker in 2013 than in 2010 as well - well, it would be more accurate that he gets a little weaker every year.

Honestly speaking, I'm being unfair to these guys. The stats actually put them as being pretty decent in both 2010 and 2013. For example, 2010 predicts that Ness would beat Ike. But...I never would. Not in a million years. I just don't trust them. None of their recent results make me think they could go the distance in a match that mattered. They're there to underwhelm, not over.

And it's in that mentality that I find my answer. Ness and Shadow looked about even in 2010/2013, so you have to look at what will make them lose, not win. Shadow has reason to continue dropping as GameFAQs continues to grow up, while Ness should be constant, so...

Result:
Shadow - 48%
Ness - 52%

Ness has a 55% chance of winning

Better pick this one right, because the winner probably beats 2B.
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ZenOfThunder
10/12/18 8:26:15 PM
#54:


KamikazePotato posted...
Shadow used to be cool. He used to be hip. He used to tickle the hearts of the teen boys that dominated GameFAQs back in the day. Unfortunately for Shadow, the same thing happened to him that happened to Vincent: GameFAQs grew up. Edgey became embarrassing.


i'm gonna plug my 2013 anal-sys here to point out how fucking lame Shadow is now:

I'm not in complete defense of how ridiculous Shadow is, though. If you want a laugh, like a real hearty belly laugh, watch this video from the 9m30s mark for about 45 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flP-4ucN15k#t=9m30s

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ZeldaTPLink
10/12/18 8:27:10 PM
#55:


2B was one of the winners of the board nom contest.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/12/18 8:30:19 PM
#56:


The last match is interesting because Ness is like the opposite of cool. I've read a theory the reason EB never sold as much in the west is because the character design and the ads were pretty lame-looking.

People who actually played respect it for the hilarious and creative game it is. But people who see Ness for the first time are not impressed.

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Xeybozn
10/12/18 8:37:40 PM
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I think Shadow might hold up better than most of the other edgy characters just because everyone thinks he's such a joke. I could see him getting a decent amount of "ironic" support for that. Where most edgy characters just become boring once you get older, Shadow is unintentionally hilarious.
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ZenOfThunder
10/12/18 8:39:22 PM
#58:


Iz3uQMG

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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 8:42:53 PM
#59:


Division 4 Match 3
Terra Branford vs. Charizard


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3821-gear-division-round-2-terra-branford-vs-squall
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5168-character-battle-ix-division-3-round-1-kirby-vs-terra-vs

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5223-character-battle-ix-division-9-round-1-charizard-vs-riku-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5251-character-battle-ix-division-9-round-2-zelda-vs-dk-vs

Rough match for Terra. She's probably the strongest remaining character that hasn't won a match. She used to suck, but then Dissidia waved it's magic wand and suddenly she's holding strong against Squall (even with SFF) and Kirby (even consider how LFF helped). I just can't take her over Charizard though. Charizard was a big disappointment in 2013 but it was only in comparison to his big expectations. Being even with Zelda makes him really strong, but after punking Bowser it just looked...eh, especially in a contest where Squirtle was coasting past Cloud. Problem is that Terra wouldn't have been in the match to begin with. She wouldn't have been blown out but it would've been a clean 55-45 loss, which is what I think happens to her here as well.

Who knows, though? If Pokemon experiences some big drop or whatever - which I don't think happens but it's Pokemon so yeah - then Terra gets within striking distance. There are worse wacky upsets to pick.

Result:
Terra - 45%
Charizard - 55%

Charizard has a 75% chance of winning

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Division 4 Match 4
Bowser vs. Gordon Freeman


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3832-heart-division-round-3-sora-vs-bowser
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5230-character-battle-ix-division-2-round-2-the-boss-vs-sub-zero

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5239-character-battle-ix-division-5-round-2-shadow-vs-leon-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5187-character-battle-ix-division-5-round-1-freeman-vs-hades-vs

It's been a while since we got to see Freeman lose in Round 1. Feels nostalgic, doesn't it?

Freeman is much, much more respectable than his GFNW days. He's a real midcarder now! Unfortunately, Bowser is Bowser.

Result:
Bowser - 64%
Gordon - 36%

Bowser has a 100% chance of winning

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Division 4 Match 5
Phoenix Wright vs. Chris Redfield


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5155-character-battle-ix-division-2-round-1-phoenix-vs-marth-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5229-character-battle-ix-division-2-round-2-phoenix-vs-vincent-vs

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3771-midgar-division-round-1-chris-redfield-vs-macmillan
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3814-midgar-division-round-2-cloud-strife-vs-chris-redfield

Speaking of characters that redeemed themselves, Phoenix Wright is a midcarder now and man does it feel great. He gets stronger every contest and isn't it just so fun to watch? Vincent may have dropped a ton and been pic sabotaged, but Phoenix beating him is still one of the highlights of 2013.

Chris Redfield was surprisingly good in 2010 (ranked higher than Wright in the stats) but I picked Phoenix here without a second thought. It's possible that Chris wins, but it's not 2010 anymore. Resident Evil is in a bit of a slump right now due to RE6 being bad and RE7 being mixed. RE2 is garnering hype but Chris isn't even in that game! I don't see him continuing to be popular at all, especially since I never got the impression that people liked him very much anyway. Leon was always the golden boy of that series. Conversely, Phoenix keeps getting games and ports and anime and exposure. Hard to pick again him here even if it isn't a lock.

Result:
Phoenix Wright - 55%
Chris Redfield - 45%

Phoenix Wright has a 70% chance of winning
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 8:44:31 PM
#60:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
The last match is interesting because Ness is like the opposite of cool. I've read a theory the reason EB never sold as much in the west is because the character design and the ads were pretty lame-looking.

People who actually played respect it for the hilarious and creative game it is. But people who see Ness for the first time are not impressed.

So if gameFAQs growing up applies to Shadow, it may apply to Ness in the opposite way.

Xeybozn posted...
I think Shadow might hold up better than most of the other edgy characters just because everyone thinks he's such a joke. I could see him getting a decent amount of "ironic" support for that. Where most edgy characters just become boring once you get older, Shadow is unintentionally hilarious.

I agree with both of these. However, Ness always has Smash to fall back on while Shadow doesn't have much of anything. He's still in games but does anyone care if he's in like, Sonic Forces? Ironic appreciation only takes you so far.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 8:45:50 PM
#61:


ZenOfThunder posted...
Iz3uQMG

coldsteel for CBXI

Sincerely one of my favorite memes there's ever been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA-4B2d4L18" data-time="


I've watched this video like 15 times.
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ZenOfThunder
10/12/18 8:46:37 PM
#62:


nobody liked Sonic Forces

maybe ironically, but even then ehhhh

it was really bad, I beat it in a day. What a mess of a game. Shadow's DLC is like 20 minutes long and it's the lowlight. They didn't have enough budget to give it more than 2 shoddy in-game cutscenes

he isn't gonna be worth shit in this contest
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ZeldaTPLink
10/12/18 8:52:37 PM
#63:


Sonic Adventure 2 was pretty good imo.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 8:58:31 PM
#64:


Division 4 Match 6
Ike vs. Joel


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5174-character-battle-ix-division-4-round-1-ike-vs-proto-man-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3803-mushroom-division-round-2-zidane-tribal-vs-ike

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6118-best-game-ever-day-17-round-2-kingdom-hearts-ii-vs-the-last

Ike is another victim of circumstance in GameFAQs contests. He always performs a little worse than people expect, even though it's really at the level he should be. He's a solid midcarder but people are never satisfied with that because We Like Ike. The Proto Man match is a good example of that - it was seen as him dropping the ball even though Proto Man was close to him in the 2010 stats.

I want Joel to be good but he won't be. Last of Us was pretty good in Games 2015, so I could see him being high fodder, maybe even approaching the low midcard position, but I don't think he clears the Ness hurdle. Being a normal-looking dude on GameFAQs is hard.

Result:
Ike - 59%
Joel - 41%

Ike has an 85% chance of winning

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Division 4 Match 7
Estelle Bright vs. Isaac


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6202-best-of-2015-3ds-and-playstation-vita

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3759-heart-division-round-1-isaac-vs-layton
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3808-heart-division-round-2-l-block-vs-isaac

A classic B8 Special (tm) vs. high fodder who can actually win a match if he needs to. Yeah.

Result:
Estelle - 31%
Isaac - 69%

Isaac has a 100% chance of winning

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Division 4 Match 8
Kirby vs. Guile


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5255-character-battle-ix-division-3-final-sephiroth-vs-big-boss
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6239-who-is-your-favorite-of-the-original-twelve-street-fighter

Why is Guile here? He's not going to be good. Ken barely beat Wesker and Guile is no Ken. He got a lot of B8 support for some reason, which I guess shows how badly we're scraping the bottom of the nomination barrel.

I'll write more on Kirby in later rounds. Quick sneak peak: fear the puff.

Result:
Kirby - 68%
Guile - 32%

Kirby has a 100% chance of winning
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 8:59:02 PM
#65:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Sonic Adventure 2 was pretty good imo.

Chao Garden still needs its own game.
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ZenOfThunder
10/12/18 8:59:51 PM
#66:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Sonic Adventure 2 was pretty good imo.


1LNLReS
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pyresword
10/12/18 9:06:26 PM
#67:


Estelle Bright is not a b8 special.

She's not going to win either way I don't think, but she's definitely popular outside of this board also.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:10:33 PM
#68:


Division 5 Match 1
Squall Leonhart vs. Hat Kid


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5209-character-battle-ix-division-8-round-1-squall-vs-rayman-vs

There's not a single poll related to Hat Kid I can use. Hope that summarizes the match for you!

Result:
Squall - 82%
Hat Kid - 18%

Squall with a 100% chance of winning

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Division 5 Match 2
Garrus Vakarian vs. Ramza Beoulve


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5159-character-battle-ix-division-2-round-1-garrus-vs-sub-zero-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5183-character-battle-ix-division-5-round-1-squirtle-vs-ramza-vs

It's nice that Garrus is getting a win after being given an unwinnable match vs. Sub-Zero last contest. It's also a shame that it comes at Ramza's expense, but them's the breaks. Maybe one day Ramza will get that win he's been searching for.

Not that Ramza is super weak or anything. He could feasibly win this if Garrus drops a ton. Which is not outside the realm of possibility considering what happened to the Mass Effect series since 2013, but...eh. Hard to imagine that Garrus falls that far because of Andromeda. He's not hype-based like a lot of other Western characters are - people legitimately like him as a character.

Result:
Garrus - 54%
Ramza - 46%

Garrus has an 80% chance of winning

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Division 5 Match 3
The Boss vs. Metal Sonic


What a thrill
With edginess and muteness through the night
What a thrill
I'm searching and I'll spindash into you
What a fear in my gear
But you gotta go fast!

I give my life, not for honor, but for Zen (Ring Eater)
In my time, there'll be no one else
Crime, it's the way I dash to you (Ring Eater)
I'm still in a dream, Ring Eater

Someday you go through the rain
And someday you feed on an Eggman
It's ordeal, the trial to survive
For the day we see new spinoffs

I give my life, not for honor, but for Zen (Ring Eater)
In my time, there'll be no one else
Crime, it's the way I dash to you (Ring Eater)
I'm still in a dream, Ring Eater
I'm still in a dream, Ring Eater
(Ring Eater...)


With apologies to Zen, but The Boss gets stronger every contest and Metal Sonic is probably not stronger than Tails.

Result:
The Boss - 66%
Metal Sonic - 34%

The Boss has a 95% chance of winning

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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:11:16 PM
#69:


pyresword posted...
Estelle Bright is not a b8 special.

She's not going to win either way I don't think, but she's definitely popular outside of this board also.

She's popular among the fanbase, but it's a small fanbase I doubt she even gets in without a ton of B8 support.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:23:33 PM
#70:


Division 5 Match 4
Zelda vs. Ezio Auditore


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3813-varia-division-round-2-zelda-vs-ezio

Getting a sense of Deja Vu here.

Result:
Zelda - 64%
Ezio - 36%

Zelda has a 100% chance of winning

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Division 5 Match 5
Aloy vs. D.Va


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6945-best-of-2017-playstation-4

This match.

So. On pure GameFAQs strength, I think Aloy wins. Horizon Zero Dawn did better in the GotY polls, Overwatch isn't our kind of game, and while D.Va passes the GameFAQs Front Page test, she's still just one of many Overwatch characters. She is in no way universally liked and a lot of fans simply dislike her. Could go either way but I'm going with the top option here.

Unless D.Va gets rallied. There is no character more likely to blow up our contest than her. The Overwatch fanbase is huge, active, and easy to contact. I dread this match more than any other in the contest. D.Va wouldn't even need a big rally to get past Round 1, and after that...well. We know that song and dance. But this topic doesn't take major rallies into consideration, so let's plug our ears and move on!

Result:
Aloy - 55%
D.Va - 45%

Aloy has a 55% chance of winning

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Division 5 Match 6
Jill Valentine vs. Fox McCloud


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3810-varia-division-round-2-samus-aran-vs-jill-valentine
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5249-character-battle-ix-division-9-round-2-mega-man-vs-kratos-vs

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3818-gear-division-round-2-solid-snake-vs-fox-mccloud
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5196-character-battle-ix-division-6-round-1-fox-vs-blue-vs-wolf

A match between two solid midcarders. Difference is that I think Fox is one that approaches (and sometimes meets) a high midcard status, while Jill doesn't. They both did pretty good in 2010 and a little worse in 2013, but in both cases Fox still did a little better (and ranked higher in the stats). Fox is also a strangely enduring character despite the Star Fox series having been dead for like 15 years, while Jill is one of those 'fan favorite' characters that tend to be more volatile and prone to randomly dropping in strength. Fox owes a lot to being OP in Melee.

Either could win this but I think it goes to Fox. It's one of those cases where if the dice falls in Jill's favor, she could come out on top, but in most cases it won't. Pick Jill if you want an upset special worth 3 points, I guess.

Result:
Jill Valentine - 47%
Fox McCloud - 53%
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:30:49 PM
#71:


KamikazePotato posted...
Rough match for Terra. She's probably the strongest remaining character that hasn't won a match.


Terra beat Kerrigan in 2006!

Also, Shadow putting up a fight against Amaterasu is actually what made me think he could beat Ness! Ammy got 40%+ on Luigi the next round!
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AxemRedRanger
10/12/18 9:31:12 PM
#72:


Terra's won matches! She beat, like, Kerrigan. And Darth Not Vader. That's almost both of the finalists of that one gamespot contest that's apparently why we're never seeing Spider-man!
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:34:42 PM
#73:


Division 5 Match 7
Shovel Knight vs. Captain Toad


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6101-best-game-ever-day-13-gta-san-andreas-vs-shovel-knight
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5745-best-of-2014-wii-u

What a silly match. I probably pick Toad here but the 'Captain' at the front makes him a lot weaker. He goes from a Mario mainstay to a random Toad in a random game that few people played. On the other hand, Shovel Knight the game actually did pretty well in 2015 (relatively speaking) and Shovel Knight the character has a likable enough design to get his own Amiibo.

And I think that's enough. The likability, not the Amiibo. Basically no one cares or likes about Toad (let alone Captain Toad) while Shovel Knight is popular just for his unique design and successful standalone game. Maybe he loses anyway but, hey, top option.

Result:
Shovel Knight - 58%
Captain Toad - 42%

Shovel Knight has a 60% chance of winning

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Division 5 Match 8
Waluigi vs. Aerith


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5144-character-battle-ix-division-1-round-1-raiden-vs-waluigi-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7115-if-you-could-convince-nintendo-to-just-put-one-more

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3782-gear-division-round-1-auron-vs-aerith
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5226-character-battle-ix-division-1-round-2-shepard-vs-tharja-vs

What an even sillier match. Some people are jumping on the Waluigi bandwagon because he's a recent meme due to getting snubbed for Smash (which is the only reason he won that recent poll) but those people are also forgetting that Waluigi has been nothing but trash in actual contest settings. Waluigi doesn't get 42% on Auron in an SFF match or go even with Shepard. You have to bank on a serious rally and like...come on. Maybe if Allen hadn't instituted the anti-rally rule, but with that in mind, I find it hard to believe that he picks up enough traction to beat anyone with real strength. It's not like there's this centralized place to go to find Waluigi fans or something. A lot of Nintendo fans still don't remotely care about him. And it's not like there's a Waluigi subreddit or somet...

...

Okay so apparently there is. But it's not active at all so I'm sticking to my guns.

Result:
Aerith - 61%
Waluigi - 39%

Aerith has a 75% chance of winning
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:35:23 PM
#74:


Wow I forgot that Terra won two matches. Guess she's never made much of an impression on me. In contests or otherwise!
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:35:47 PM
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Oh right, she beat Revan, too, so yeah.

The strongest character who's never won a match is probably...Cecil, maybe? Or maybe even John Marston or Claire Redfield.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:36:44 PM
#76:


Captain Toad could either be Groose or Epona (relatively speaking, of course)

I'm still not sure which
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:36:53 PM
#77:


LeonhartFour posted...
Also, Shadow putting up a fight against Amaterasu is actually what made me think he could beat Ness! Ammy got 40%+ on Luigi the next round!

You're not wrong, but it still felt...weird, and I say that as someone who picked Amaterasu. I feel like Shadow is one of those Master Chief types that might keep things close but fails to seal the deal when it matters. Too many anti-votes.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:37:37 PM
#78:


Epona would trash Toad or Captain Toad. Epona is legitimately a lot stronger than like, Wario, and I hate it.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:37:45 PM
#79:


I picked Ammy with a high degree of confidence, too.

I just feel like that loss to Big Daddy was worse for Ness than the loss to Ammy.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:38:25 PM
#80:


KamikazePotato posted...
Epona would trash Toad or Captain Toad. Epona is legitimately a lot stronger than like, Wario, and I hate it.


That's why I said "relatively speaking."

Captain Toad is basically the test of "can you look like something vaguely Mario and not totally suck"
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:38:51 PM
#81:


Big Daddy was good that year. 40% on Tifa is no joke. Then the hype for his game died and he started sucking like 90% of Western characters do.
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ZenOfThunder
10/12/18 9:39:57 PM
#82:


thank you kp i am crying

you are a good guy, i'm gonna edit one of your books again someday
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:40:14 PM
#83:


Eh, I was reading through the CBIX Stats Topics and KH brought up a good point about Tifa/Big Daddy being right after Sephiroth/Missingno. Big Daddy might have overperformed a bit there, who knows. He'd never been quite that strong before, and then he lost to Lloyd.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:46:01 PM
#84:


You may be right. But hey, I labeled it as 48-52 so I'm not ruling out the possibility at all. I just trust Shadow less than Ness.

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thank you kp i am crying

you are a good guy, i'm gonna edit one of your books again someday

Aw thanks man. Might take you up on that sometime in the next few months, I've been getting back into writing recently!
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:47:02 PM
#85:


Well, the point I was trying to make is that it's been a really long time since Ness won a debated match, too. He's been living off of beating Jak and CJ for a long, long time.
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KamikazePotato
10/12/18 9:48:17 PM
#86:


Side note: Ike being in and not Marth is interesting to me. It indicates to me that Ike has finally completed the slow-but-steady process of overtaking Marth as the series mascot among the eyes of the fans. He wins all the popularity polls and gets way more attention in Fire Emblem Heroes.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:49:24 PM
#87:


Well, Marth has always gotten a low seed in these things, even when he does get in.
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_SecretSquirrel
10/12/18 9:52:25 PM
#88:


I don't know much about Fire Emblem, but it seemed like Marth was more well-known for being a top tier Smash character than he was for anything he did in his series. Ike was featured in more prominent games that got Western releases when they came out along with the Smash appearances, so it makes sense he would get a better rub from the FE fanbase.
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Xeybozn
10/12/18 9:56:28 PM
#89:


KamikazePotato posted...
Not that Ramza is super weak or anything.

Literally lost to Hogger, whatever that is.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 9:56:56 PM
#90:


Xeybozn posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Not that Ramza is super weak or anything.

Literally lost to Hogger, whatever that is.


augh don't remind me

I don't want to remember Albion rallying Hogger in between making sandwiches
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AxemRedRanger
10/12/18 10:13:09 PM
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I was heavy into the gamefaqs Fire Emblem fandom in the 2000's and past the "Are Marth and Roy in this game?" meme (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/468480-fire-emblem?search=Marth) I feel like people there stopped caring much about Marth pretty damn quickly since he wasn't in the current games. They latched onto like Hector, Oswin, Marcus, and weird plot-irrelevant bosses that said goofy things, Gheb being the king of that once Sacred Stones was out. Even among those playing the older games, FE4 and FE6 seemed to get vastly more attention than Marth's stuff, although IIRC FE1 and FE3 weren't translated for a good while. Then once we finally got an official release of a game starring Marth (Shadow Dragon), it got okay reviews from critics but the fanbase absolutely dumped on it.

I think Marth support was always mostly Smash-based.
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NowItsAngeTime
10/12/18 10:14:27 PM
#92:


KamikazePotato posted...
Side note: Ike being in and not Marth is interesting to me. It indicates to me that Ike has finally completed the slow-but-steady process of overtaking Marth as the series mascot among the eyes of the fans. He wins all the popularity polls and gets way more attention in Fire Emblem Heroes.


And Ike actually has games people like
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charmander6000
10/12/18 10:24:29 PM
#93:


Yeah, Marth (and Captain Falcon) represents the upper level of Melee-only strength.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 10:40:10 PM
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I'm still kind of surprised Roy's never been in. I mean, he'd be worth less than Ike or Marth, but we've gotten just about every other Smash character in at this point, and I don't think he'd be awful.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/12/18 10:41:14 PM
#95:


Well Marth is better in competitive smash than Roy.

Roy is just the guy with the awesome B attack that is too slow to be good in tournaments.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 10:41:59 PM
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Advokaiser
10/12/18 10:45:16 PM
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Tag.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/12/18 10:45:54 PM
#98:


LeonhartFour posted...
yeah but most voters don't play in tournaments


No but the ones who do might submit him.

Besides Roy didn't appear in Smash 3 and 4 iirc.
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LeonhartFour
10/12/18 10:46:29 PM
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ZeldaTPLink
10/12/18 10:54:45 PM
#100:


Dude I'm trying to explain it if you're gonna shoot down everything I come up with we are left with no explanations.

Roy didn't get nominated because magic, then.
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