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mrduckbear
10/12/18 3:17:14 AM
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Do you think this guilty fiend should be expelled from the University? - Results (2 votes)
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An unidentified young girl was raped by a 22 y/o Missouri State University Student just HOURS after she attended a #MeToo rally in support of sexual assault survivors!!

Zachary Alperin was charged with second degree rape and sodomy for the alleged assault

They met after the rally that took place in Park Central Square and the 2 had alcohol before they went back to her room on campus that evening

She said she didn't want to engage in sexual activity after drinking but said he could sleep over.

When she awoke however from her sleep he was on TOP of her NAKED and said he performed SEX ACTS on her before she pushed him off.

He told police "I guess i tried to force myself on her, and i feel like such a terrible person for it."

Zach also claims that they were both really drunk and he DIDN'T KNOW what he was doing that night.

The University has yet to make their decision if Zachary will be expelled.

He is currently being held on 20,000 bail

Do you think this kid should be expelled from the University?

Zachary -

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/12/06/4977898-6268131-image-m-87_1539323754123.jpg

#MeToo Rally -

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/12/06/4977890-6268131-image-a-88_1539323782287.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/12/07/4977896-6268131-image-a-101_1539324481990.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/12/06/4977864-6268131-image-a-89_1539323790453.jpg
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Solid Sonic
10/12/18 8:04:43 AM
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He does look like a shifty fellow.
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Kyuubi4269
10/12/18 8:07:22 AM
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#MeToo rally -

3 women, 1 table
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Xialoh
10/12/18 8:11:20 AM
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So let me get this straight. She goes to an "I-was-ALSO-raped-officer!" convention, meets a random guy, decides to drink alcohol with him, and then invites him back to her room to sleep over for the night. While they're both drunk.

I'm not even going to bother evaluating that any further.
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Solid Sonic
10/12/18 8:11:38 AM
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Imagine being the parent of someone discovering the first major thing their son accomplishes being independent from home is to be arrested as a rapist.
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kind9
10/12/18 8:38:06 AM
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I definitely jumped the gun by voting Yes on this one...
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Solid Sonic
10/12/18 8:39:56 AM
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kind9 posted...
I definitely jumped the gun by voting Yes on this one...

You know you're making me feel like an uninformed shithead by saying stuff like this.
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kind9
10/12/18 8:41:53 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
kind9 posted...
I definitely jumped the gun by voting Yes on this one...

You know you're making me feel like an uninformed shithead by saying stuff like this.

I'm just saying the claim of rape seems suspect to me. Social media and toxic movements like #MeToo have made me a very cynical person. I voted Yes because I took the story at face value, forgetting that people want those +1's on the internet.
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Blighboy
10/12/18 8:46:05 AM
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mrduckbear posted...
He told police "I guess i tried to force myself on her, and i feel like such a terrible person for it."

Given that he's admitting to it there's not a while lot of room for doubt.

If he denied it he'd probably never even be charged.
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kind9
10/12/18 8:53:59 AM
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Blighboy posted...
mrduckbear posted...
He told police "I guess i tried to force myself on her, and i feel like such a terrible person for it."

Given that he's admitting to it there's not a while lot of room for doubt.

If he denied it he'd probably never even be charged.

I considered that, and I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm just saying we don't know enough to start condemning him. The "I guess" gives me pause, as if he didn't even know that's what he was doing. That was also alleged in the police report, but was he still drunk when he said that?
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SunWuKung420
10/12/18 9:03:54 AM
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He thought it was just the mattress being feisty.

Seriously though, don't be like Zach.
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dedbus
10/12/18 1:28:21 PM
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Xialoh posted...
So let me get this straight. She goes to an "I-was-ALSO-raped-officer!" convention, meets a random guy, decides to drink alcohol with him, and then invites him back to her room to sleep over for the night. While they're both drunk.

I'm not even going to bother evaluating that any further.

Listen we cant be victim blaming.

But p.s. don''t leave your car or house unlocked, you're just asking to get robbed.
EvilMegas
10/12/18 1:35:14 PM
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Xialoh posted...
So let me get this straight. She goes to an "I-was-ALSO-raped-officer!" convention, meets a random guy, decides to drink alcohol with him, and then invites him back to her room to sleep over for the night. While they're both drunk.

I'm not even going to bother evaluating that any further.

Guess all of that meant that she wanted to have sex but then lied about it, huh?
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RoboXgp89
10/12/18 1:45:39 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
They met after the rally that took place in Park Central Square and the 2 had alcohol before they went back to her room on campus that evening


feminist males are always the most predatory

also it sounds like she didn't say anything like 'no,' but I'd suspect that from someone in the #metoo movement, they accept money but they don't say 'no'
IronicFool
10/12/18 2:39:52 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
They met after the rally that took place in Park Central Square and the 2 had alcohol before they went back to her room on campus that evening

She said she didn't want to engage in sexual activity after drinking but said he could sleep over.

When she awoke however from her sleep he was on TOP of her NAKED and said he performed SEX ACTS on her before she pushed him off.

He told police "I guess I tried to force myself on her, and I feel like such a terrible person for it."

Zach also claims that they were both really drunk and he DIDN'T KNOW what he was doing that night.


Guilty. And that drunk after only two alcohol? Lightweights. Whenever I let strangers I just met sleep in my bed next to me, though, I make sure we're always sober first just as a precaution and I urge you all to do the same.
Flyingpirate
10/12/18 2:58:43 PM
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Throw the book at her.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/12/18 5:28:40 PM
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I'm not condoning what he did.

I'm not going to victim blame.

I am however, strongly suggesting mistakes were made on both sides of this equation.
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IronicFool
10/12/18 5:35:21 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
I'm not condoning what he did.

I'm not going to victim blame.

I am however, strongly suggesting mistakes were made on both sides of this equation.


How very moderate of you.

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WhiskeyDisk
10/12/18 6:04:56 PM
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IronicFool posted...
Also, no joke, respect for still having SBA in your sig after the great move to tapatalk.


Yeah, no idea what happened there. I think I can still log in, but meh. We had a good run.
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adjl
10/12/18 6:58:08 PM
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Xialoh posted...
So let me get this straight. She goes to an "I-was-ALSO-raped-officer!" convention, meets a random guy, decides to drink alcohol with him, and then invites him back to her room to sleep over for the night. While they're both drunk.

I'm not even going to bother evaluating that any further.


You should. You can't assume consent, no matter what cultural norms might suggest.

RoboXgp89 posted...
also it sounds like she didn't say anything like 'no,'


That doesn't matter. Consent isn't simply not saying no. It's saying yes, specifically in a setting where saying no is very clearly an option.
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knivesX2004
10/12/18 7:12:43 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
IronicFool posted...
Also, no joke, respect for still having SBA in your sig after the great move to tapatalk.


Yeah, no idea what happened there. I think I can still log in, but meh. We had a good run.

Me neither.
Granted I took a step back from internetting to have a social life and suddenly it's gone.
I didn't even get a warning email or anything. No contact whatsoever :(
Kyuubi4269
10/12/18 7:12:48 PM
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adjl posted...
Consent isn't simply not saying no. It's saying yes, specifically in a setting where saying no is very clearly an option.

In almost all cases no is very clearly an option, but if she felt so threatened by men, she wouldn't bring a drunk back to her room.
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ASlaveObeys
10/12/18 7:24:56 PM
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In college letting a drunk person sleep at your place really isn't super uncommon. The fact that she literally said no and he admits that he just kinda had sex with her while she was sleeping makes this pretty fucking clear.

I'm not saying it was a smart choice, but come on.
Lil69Leo
10/12/18 7:30:11 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
adjl posted...
Consent isn't simply not saying no. It's saying yes, specifically in a setting where saying no is very clearly an option.

In almost all cases no is very clearly an option, but if she felt so threatened by men, she wouldn't bring a drunk back to her room.


Are you always such a piece of crap with bad opinions?
Xialoh
10/12/18 8:03:26 PM
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adjl posted...
You should. You can't assume consent, no matter what cultural norms might suggest.

I suppose I should clarify my original post.

Pretend we're not talking about this rape article. Pretend you're a...guidance counselor. Or a genius detective. All you have is a scenario: a guy and a girl go out to several bars and get drinks. The girl doesn't want to have sex - because she's intoxicated now. Incidentally, the guy is also intoxicated. The girl invites this random heterosexual drunken male to sleep off his problems with her in her bedroom overnight.

Would you have any concerns to voice over this scenario? Might you expect any undesirable outcomes, or has everything presented to you seemed reasonable, without need for adjustments?

If you do have concerns, why?

I'm not saying she was asking for it, that she implied consent, or that she deserved it. I'm saying she was a fucking moron and made a stupid decision, possibly due to her intoxication. As did this guy, apparently.
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IronicFool
10/12/18 8:05:02 PM
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adjl posted...
You should. You can't assume consent, no matter what cultural norms might suggest.

Exactly. You should assume no consent and rape. It's like 2% you'd be wrong if you were weighing in on every case ever
RoboXgp89
10/12/18 8:13:35 PM
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i dunno this could be one of those states were simply being intoxicated means she didn't consent

i mean I dunno I'd at least make out with the girl first and then try
rather then mount them while they're trying to sleep
ASlaveObeys
10/12/18 8:20:41 PM
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Xialoh posted...
adjl posted...
You should. You can't assume consent, no matter what cultural norms might suggest.

I suppose I should clarify my original post.

Pretend we're not talking about this rape article. Pretend you're a...guidance counselor. Or a genius detective. All you have is a scenario: a guy and a girl go out to several bars and get drinks. The girl doesn't want to have sex - because she's intoxicated now. Incidentally, the guy is also intoxicated. The girl invites this random heterosexual drunken male to sleep off his problems with her in her bedroom overnight.

Would you have any concerns to voice over this scenario? Might you expect any undesirable outcomes, or has everything presented to you seemed reasonable, without need for adjustments?

If you do have concerns, why?

I'm not saying she was asking for it, that she implied consent, or that she deserved it. I'm saying she was a fucking moron and made a stupid decision, possibly due to her intoxication. As did this guy, apparently.

Here's the thing if you and I get drunk and you take a taxi and give the driver your wallet to pay that's a bad decision. If I get into a car and try to drive home and kill a family of 4 I've also made a bad decision but one is badder than the other.
Xialoh
10/12/18 8:28:51 PM
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ASlaveObeys posted...
Xialoh posted...
adjl posted...
You should. You can't assume consent, no matter what cultural norms might suggest.

I suppose I should clarify my original post.

Pretend we're not talking about this rape article. Pretend you're a...guidance counselor. Or a genius detective. All you have is a scenario: a guy and a girl go out to several bars and get drinks. The girl doesn't want to have sex - because she's intoxicated now. Incidentally, the guy is also intoxicated. The girl invites this random heterosexual drunken male to sleep off his problems with her in her bedroom overnight.

Would you have any concerns to voice over this scenario? Might you expect any undesirable outcomes, or has everything presented to you seemed reasonable, without need for adjustments?

If you do have concerns, why?

I'm not saying she was asking for it, that she implied consent, or that she deserved it. I'm saying she was a fucking moron and made a stupid decision, possibly due to her intoxication. As did this guy, apparently.

Here's the thing if you and I get drunk and you take a taxi and give the driver your wallet to pay that's a bad decision. If I get into a car and try to drive home and kill a family of 4 I've also made a bad decision but one is badder than the other.

Only difference is that the victims of your drunk driving played no part in the scenario. Adjust it:

A family of four watches you get drunk, even buys you a few drinks, and then helps you to your car, ostensibly so that you can sleep there until you can clear your head. Then they drive onto the road, and you drive out next to them. They see you, but roll down the windows to tell you to be careful since you're drunk and all.

You are of course going to prison for life when you accidentally ram them off a cliff 5 minutes later, but that family will have contributed to some extent to their own demise. Although their decision would certainly have been less bad than yours, I suppose. Even if it did get them killed. Have to wonder why they would put a drunk guy behind the wheel of a car in the first place, honestly. It's not like they asked him to kill anyone exactly. But.

I don't condone drunk driving, if that seems less obvious than it would otherwise.
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adjl
10/12/18 9:25:05 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
In almost all cases no is very clearly an option


And that, my friends, is exactly what the Hollywood arm of #MeToo in particular is aiming to address. Here? There was no power imbalance, so that particular caveat doesn't really apply (aside from the fact that a sleeping person can't say no and a drunk one may have difficulty doing so, but that's more about physical limitations than emotional comfort). In many real-world cases, though, there is a degree of power imbalance, and being cognizant of that when attempting to woo a subordinate is vital if you don't want to end up on the receiving end of an assault charge.

Xialoh posted...
Pretend we're not talking about this rape article. Pretend you're a...guidance counselor. Or a genius detective. All you have is a scenario: a guy and a girl go out to several bars and get drinks. The girl doesn't want to have sex - because she's intoxicated now. Incidentally, the guy is also intoxicated. The girl invites this random heterosexual drunken male to sleep off his problems with her in her bedroom overnight.

Would you have any concerns to voice over this scenario? Might you expect any undesirable outcomes, or has everything presented to you seemed reasonable, without need for adjustments?


There would indeed be concerns, but that doesn't excuse anything. Again, cultural norms don't matter, and consent can't be assumed. There's absolutely no reason a heterosexual guy can't sleep in his female friend's room without raping her, no matter how drunk he is. Trying to excuse his behaviour as being somehow expected is ignoring that he is the only one who did anything bad. The only reason she did anything unsafe is because he was not a good person. Ergo, he is to blame.
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Zeus
10/13/18 12:12:13 AM
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mrduckbear posted...
She said she didn't want to engage in sexual activity after drinking but said he could sleep over.


Not for nothing, but if a guy is being pushy, why would you let him stay over?

mrduckbear posted...
He told police "I guess i tried to force myself on her, and i feel like such a terrible person for it."

Zach also claims that they were both really drunk and he DIDN'T KNOW what he was doing that night.


On the plus side, he admitted his wrongdoing. All that aside, this is yet another reminder that we should probably raise the drinking age to 25.

Blighboy posted...
mrduckbear posted...
He told police "I guess i tried to force myself on her, and i feel like such a terrible person for it."

Given that he's admitting to it there's not a while lot of room for doubt.

If he denied it he'd probably never even be charged.


Is that the moral of the story? >_>
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wwinterj25
10/13/18 12:16:16 AM
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mrduckbear posted...
He told police "I guess i tried to force myself on her, and i feel like such a terrible person for it."


Normally I'd question things when alcohol is involved but the guy has admitted to it thus he deserves all he gets and probably a lot more. I'd say death but that's too easy for rapists.
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Revelation34
10/13/18 1:12:46 AM
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adjl posted...
The only reason she did anything unsafe is because he was not a good person.


Wat.

Zeus posted...
All that aside, this is yet another reminder that we should probably raise the drinking age to 25.


Lol.
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coinstarcad
10/13/18 2:37:51 AM
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Could pass for normal... if not for that guilty demeanor he's got in the picture.
TheCyborgNinja
10/13/18 2:44:53 AM
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That guy looks like a murderous incel.
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