Poll of the Day > Why don't y'all 'muricans lower the drinking age to 18?

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Lokarin
10/12/18 10:39:35 AM
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LaggnFragnLarry
10/12/18 10:47:09 AM
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i dont know if i would want to deal with a bunch of drunk 18 year olds at the bar
Zangulus
10/12/18 10:50:37 AM
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Like its hard to get ahold of alcohol before 21 in this country.

Ive had people on my car complaining they couldnt go out with their friends because they had multiple fake IDs taken at bars.

Usually the same bar they had the first one taken.

They just order more.
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Aculo
10/12/18 10:51:36 AM
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he's right, i'll lower the age limit right now, ok?
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Dikitain
10/12/18 11:03:22 AM
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Less drunk driving incidents when the age is 21 vs. 18:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497803

Not that I agree with it anyways, but unless you can change that it is going to remain 21.
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Cruddy_horse
10/12/18 11:15:47 AM
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There's enough dumb Teens as is, don't need more getting drunk and hurting people or themselves.

Zangulus posted...
Like its hard to get ahold of alcohol before 21 in this country.

Ive had people on my car complaining they couldnt go out with their friends because they had multiple fake IDs taken at bars.

Usually the same bar they had the first one taken.

They just order more.


Unfortunatly this. My (then)underage friends had a whole fridge of alcohol.
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KJ StErOiDs
10/12/18 11:57:27 AM
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I'd say it isn't because of the fact that the legal driving age is already 14-17, depending on where you live. The two would come too close to converging. New drinkers and new drivers...scary!
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OhhhJa
10/12/18 11:59:37 AM
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...
i dont know if i would want to deal with a bunch of drunk 18 year olds at the bar

This. I bartend a couple nights a week for some extra cash and young people are the fucking shittiest customers. They're always super entitled, impatient and obnoxious and dont tip for shit
Archgoat
10/12/18 12:01:36 PM
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I think the government figures that most people 21 or older are not going to be friends with 15-16 year old people, where an 18 year old might and will buy booze for their friend.
DumpsterMcNuggets
10/13/18 2:31:52 AM
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Dikitain posted...
Less drunk driving incidents when the age is 21 vs. 18:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497803

Not that I agree with it anyways, but unless you can change that it is going to remain 21.


Yep, the push by MADD years ago back in the 70s and 80s, is why all states today have the drinking age at 21. It's stupid and I'd rather have that age at 18, but that's just my opinion. Puerto Rico interestingly enough for a US territory, still has their drinking age at 18. That really surprised me, when once I randomly looked that up on wikipedia.
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DocDelicious
10/13/18 2:40:35 AM
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imo drinking age needs to be either removed completely (so it's normalized and people don't lose their minds as soon as they're able to drink) or moved to 25.
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wwinterj25
10/13/18 2:46:13 AM
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...
i dont know if i would want to deal with a bunch of drunk 18 year olds at the bar

You think that's how it is? I hardly ever see any teens out drinking. 20+ year olds on the other hand sure.
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MICHALECOLE
10/13/18 2:54:58 AM
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I dont like that the drinking age is 21 but you can enlist in the army at age 18
Foppe
10/13/18 3:26:39 AM
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Because drunk teenagers with guns are a bad idea.
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Zeus
10/13/18 3:32:49 AM
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Why don't we raise it to 25?

MICHALECOLE posted...
I dont like that the drinking age is 21 but you can enlist in the army at age 18


Do you really want drunk kids with guns?
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MICHALECOLE
10/13/18 3:40:37 AM
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No I dont want any kids with guns
Unbridled9
10/13/18 3:53:06 AM
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I'd be in favor of it.
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Mead
10/13/18 4:22:19 AM
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Do we really need more young people drinking and driving
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faramir77
10/13/18 4:32:06 AM
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It's 18 in Alberta. I don't think there is a noticeable difference in drunk driving rates because of that. If anything, it's because of stupid redneck culture.

18 year olds that will drink and drive are probably also the ones that wouldn't care what the drinking age is.
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MICHALECOLE
10/13/18 4:33:38 AM
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Mead posted...
Do we really need more young people drinking and driving

Lower the drinking age, raise the consequences.

Immediately suspend license for minimum one year, regardless of age.

People should not be allowed to die for the country at age 18 and not be allowed to decide if they can drink alcohol or not.

Or raise the minimum draft age to 21.
Mead
10/13/18 6:07:31 AM
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Just eliminate the draft altogether

Force them to drink from cans
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Revelation34
10/13/18 6:27:14 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Lower the drinking age, raise the consequences.

Immediately suspend license for minimum one year, regardless of age.

People should not be allowed to die for the country at age 18 and not be allowed to decide if they can drink alcohol or not.

Or raise the minimum draft age to 21.


Or just lower it for active military members.
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dark lancer
10/13/18 6:42:17 AM
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Isn't the minimum already 18 for military personnel on base?
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Mead
10/13/18 7:00:14 AM
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dark lancer posted...
Isn't the minimum already 18 for military personnel on base?


I think it varies, I know that Luke Air Force Base in AZ allows servicemen under 21 to purchase and drink beer(beer only) at the bar on base
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XlaxJynx007
10/13/18 9:42:01 AM
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dark lancer posted...
Isn't the minimum already 18 for military personnel on base?

No
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peanutt121
10/13/18 10:22:08 AM
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I have a better idea. Let's raise the voting, involuntary military service (voluntary can remain 18), and age to get a drivers license all to 21. All three would save thousands of lives and dollars
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Lokarin
10/13/18 10:42:01 AM
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peanutt121 posted...
I have a better idea. Let's raise the voting, involuntary military service (voluntary can remain 18), and age to get a drivers license all to 21. All three would save thousands of lives and dollars


Well, ya - that's kinda what I'm saying - it's inconstant that they are different. I'd rather they are lowered, so as to match .... EARTH, but ya
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Zeus
10/13/18 1:39:53 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Lower the drinking age, raise the consequences.


Young people are terrible when it comes to thinking about consequences, so it's an ineffective strategy.

MICHALECOLE posted...
Immediately suspend license for minimum one year, regardless of age.


Because kids don't drive on suspended licenses? >_> Even adults do that.

MICHALECOLE posted...
Or raise the minimum draft age to 21.


The draft hasn't actually been used in over 30 years. Men register at 18 (because sexism), but nobody has been called.

Revelation34 posted...
Or just lower it for active military members.


Also a better option.

peanutt121 posted...
I have a better idea. Let's raise the voting, involuntary military service (voluntary can remain 18), and age to get a drivers license all to 21. All three would save thousands of lives and dollars


How would raising the age of involuntary service save lives when involuntary service isn't used in the first place and enlistment costs remain the same no matter when you register somebody? >_>

Lokarin posted...
Well, ya - that's kinda what I'm saying - it's inconstant that they are different. I'd rather they are lowered, so as to match .... EARTH, but ya


Why should they be the same? There's no logical justification for it. It might make sense for voting and military service because both are citizenship issues, but health issues are unrelated.
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Lokarin
10/13/18 1:42:26 PM
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Zeus posted...
Why should they be the same? There's no logical justification for it. It might make sense for voting and military service because both are citizenship issues, but health issues are unrelated.


Irrelevant, as the smoking age is 18.
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TheWorstPoster
10/13/18 1:45:40 PM
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Drinking is degenerate
Revelation34
10/13/18 2:27:19 PM
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dark lancer posted...
Isn't the minimum already 18 for military personnel on base?


No. I meant let them drink anywhere anyway.

peanutt121 posted...
I have a better idea. Let's raise the voting, involuntary military service (voluntary can remain 18), and age to get a drivers license all to 21. All three would save thousands of lives and dollars


Lol.

TheWorstPoster posted...
Drinking is degenerate


Nope.
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wolfy42
10/13/18 2:32:54 PM
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It's crazy how many people drive without licenses already. Making things more illegal is probably not going to help much at all. Lowering the age and making things less illegal might make a difference but probably not a positive one sadly.

No easy solution here, but perhaps something that tested BAL at bars, where you can't drink more then x without showing a pre-paid ticket to take you home or something....not making it illegal to drink, just illegal to serve to anyone who is past a certain point.

Getting that passed would be almost impossible though.

Should be a way to make it safer for everyone and then drop the legal age as part of it, but real thought and effort would have to be made, and also.....our prison system is for profit quite often, and you would be AMAZED at how many people are actually in there due to alcohol in one way or another. If something actually makes the people in power money, it's probably not going to change, even if it ends up costing many people their lives, their freedom etc.
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Yellow
10/13/18 2:43:50 PM
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Alcohol is so easy to get that legalizing it early just disincentives kids trying to be edgy.

Yeah, I'll get right on that.
RoboXgp89
10/13/18 3:01:51 PM
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just make liqour illegal and let everyone drink beer whenever they want
Mead
10/13/18 3:09:31 PM
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just make liqour illegal


That didnt turn out so well last time guy
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wwinterj25
10/13/18 3:12:38 PM
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Make death illegal, ok?
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GanonsSpirit
10/13/18 3:21:26 PM
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I stopped caring about the drinking age when I turned 21.
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Lil_Bit83
10/13/18 3:47:54 PM
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I dunno. It really doesn't bother me. It never affected me either since I'm not a drinker.
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OneTimeBen
10/13/18 3:52:53 PM
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Dont need more ignorant teenagers in the public thinking they know shit.
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OneTimeBen
10/13/18 3:54:11 PM
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Like how to drive sober is a challenge for many
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_AdjI_
10/13/18 5:26:35 PM
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Dikitain posted...
Less drunk driving incidents when the age is 21 vs. 18:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497803

Not that I agree with it anyways, but unless you can change that it is going to remain 21.


I feel like that's a bit of an oversimplified correlation. There have been a whole lot of pushes against drunk driving besides just changing the drinking age,. It might help, but getting rid of drunk driving is much more of a cultural thing than anything that can rely entirely on trying to keep younger adults away from booze.

Personally, I think the whole absolute prohibition idea is fundamentally flawed. It'd make a whole lot more sense to allow drinking at younger ages (such as 16) with parental supervision (or supervision by a parentally-appointed proxy). Minors are going to drink no matter what the law is, so you might as well get them drinking in a controlled environment rather than having them hide away somewhere with only their peers to guide them. That's a much healthier way to learn about alcohol, even if you keep the current drinking age as the minimum for solo drinking.
Amuseum
10/13/18 6:33:03 PM
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makes it more exciting to sneak in booze in college when it's taboo.
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10/13/18 6:47:18 PM
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...
i dont know if i would want to deal with a bunch of drunk 18 year olds at the bar

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OneTimeBen
10/13/18 6:54:23 PM
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Because 18 year olds are dumb. And entitled. Superhuman and dumb .
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OhhhJa
10/14/18 12:14:57 AM
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Old people are the worst to do deal with in retail. Young people are the worst at bars. Young people are the ones who after 5 minutes waiting on their food are like, "hey bruh, I think they forgot my food." Young dudes also get really loud and obnoxious when a girl is with them and they're clearly trying to show off. Some of the shit they say and do is so cringy
Yellow
10/14/18 12:33:04 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Old people are the worst to do deal with in retail. Young people are the worst at bars. Young people are the ones who after 5 minutes waiting on their food are like, "hey bruh, I think they forgot my food." Young dudes also get really loud and obnoxious when a girl is with them and they're clearly trying to show off. Some of the shit they say and do is so cringy
Zeus
10/14/18 4:38:01 AM
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_AdjI_ posted...
Dikitain posted...
Less drunk driving incidents when the age is 21 vs. 18:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497803

Not that I agree with it anyways, but unless you can change that it is going to remain 21.


I feel like that's a bit of an oversimplified correlation. There have been a whole lot of pushes against drunk driving besides just changing the drinking age,. It might help, but getting rid of drunk driving is much more of a cultural thing than anything that can rely entirely on trying to keep younger adults away from booze.

Personally, I think the whole absolute prohibition idea is fundamentally flawed. It'd make a whole lot more sense to allow drinking at younger ages (such as 16) with parental supervision (or supervision by a parentally-appointed proxy). Minors are going to drink no matter what the law is, so you might as well get them drinking in a controlled environment rather than having them hide away somewhere with only their peers to guide them. That's a much healthier way to learn about alcohol, even if you keep the current drinking age as the minimum for solo drinking.


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TheCyborgNinja
10/14/18 5:09:41 AM
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Drinking age should be two years younger than driving age. Let people get it outta their system.

Alcohol is too big of a deal in North America. I don't get it.
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Zeus
10/14/18 5:21:36 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Drinking age should be two years younger than driving age. Let people get it outta their system.


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Given that people ALREADY drink underage and drunk driving is still an issue later in life, that suggestion makes no fucking sense.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
Alcohol is too big of a deal in North America. I don't get it.


Maybe because it's responsible for the deaths of 10% of all working age adults? And is responsible for a quarter to a third of all auto accidents?
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Revelation34
10/14/18 5:37:35 AM
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Zeus posted...
Maybe because it's responsible for the deaths of 10% of all working age adults? And is responsible for a quarter to a third of all auto accidents?


Not in Europe.
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